You know? It's kinda of funny how LOV fans treat the whole "I want to be a hero for villains" of Shigaraki as something groundbreaking, when the same concept was already introduced in the series (and was done better) with Nine.
Unlike Shigaraki, Nine literally meet his team members when he saved their lives. In Chimera's case it was when a bunch of racists were about to execute him just for being a mutant.
Nine also was a hero for them in a more thematic level, as he not only save their lives but actually give his team mates a reason for live and fight. He offered them the chance to fight for create a better world. For me it's quite remarkable how Nine despite being a homeless and chronically ill person, go for save people he view as equally oppressed by the world.
He was selfless enough to sacrifice his own health using his quirk to save Chimera despite it was destroying his body, and without expecting nothing in exchange for share a dream Nine a hand to people at their lowest point.
That's much more of an "All Might for the villains" or whatever Horikoshi tried to make Shigaraki in the final moments. Or hell Nine even acts better as a foil to Deku in the sense both are selfless individuals who fight despite their bodies are crumbling, just for the save of the persons who are important to them.
How ironic is that Nine, the original movie villain that was supposed to be just a prototype for the "final villain" of MHA, ended executing the same themes way better than Shigaraki.
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A main reason as to why people treat shigaraki's I want to be a hero for the villains ideology better than nine's is simply because I assume a lot of people forgot the plot of the 2nd movie or haven't read the one shot manga chapter mha leauge of villains undercover. All of this is a shame because I heavily agree that nine's version of I want to be a hero and hope for the villains is executed and built up 10000x times better than shigarakis and nine had a fraction of the screentime that shigaraki got which is saying a lot.
Actually rewatching the film and rereading the manga one-shot has showed me that nine and shigarakis arcs are pretty similar with nine's having a better execution and shigaraki having more wasted potential.
The movie sets it clear that nine and shigaraki are supposed to be foils for one another so it makes sense that they would share parallels. However, you would expect that by the time nine is defeated that shigaraki would naraatively prove to us that he is ultimately the better character but in truth he doesn't and nine's downfall by shigaraki ends up being quite disappointing to me.
Another problem within the narrative is also the lack of interactions that nine and shigaraki have. I think that nine is essential to helping shigaraki and start to infulence him to realise that he is just a puppet and should develop a goal outside of just destruction. If shigarakis goal stays as destruction then the destruction of what? Everything? And how would that benefit anyone including him?
Nine like you said meets his teammates and saves them. He sees his teammates suffer like him and chooses to help them and they choose to help him. There is a clear relationship being developed and all the characters come together for the same goal, with similar backgrounds and varying styles yet they work.
When nines team see him in distress they run to help him and vice versa. The team has trust and overall everything that a lot of the leauges dynamics and development lacks.
Nine seeks destruction but his path is clear. He seeks to liberate and let nature flow its course with the strong overtaking the weak and finally being leaders instead of feared and abused because they don't fit into the small little box that is the mha's status quo. Nine plans to get stronger while being fully conscious and knowing the consequences. He makes a logical and heroic decision where we see him realise that he is trading his own autonomy and agency in becoming a lab rat all in exchange for power and a slim chance at achieving his goal.
This is all contrasted with shigaraki and his actions. We don't see his goal of destruction develop into a much more consistent and precise idea like destroying the giver and status quo. We don't see shigaraki fully conscious to come to the conclusion that yes the doctor is evil but he needs power. We lack everything from shigaraki and the information of chapter 419 just makes his character worse as shigaraki was a lab rat through and through.
Horikoshi tries to make shigaraki the better character but nine outclassed him in every way possible from the traumatic beginnings, to the developed flawed goal and to the final bitter end where we see nine crumble due to various factors 1)shigarakis decay and 2) his illness whereas shigaraki dies due to afo still being a lab rat that fulfills his purpose.
All of this reminds me of the ask that said mha's manga ending is a sloppy edited 2nd movie ending (except I was only looking at it from a hero perspective but it even applies to the villains)
Nine deserved better!
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Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite five fics that you've written, then pass on to at least five other writers! Spread the self-love 💞
oooooooh this is so cruel, how dare you make me consider my fics this way?????
reflecting on this made me realize that a lot of my personal favs are actually my less popular ones. that makes sense, in a way; often my favorites are where i'm trying to express a really specific emotion or idea, which might not always resonate with people?
anyways, ordered from oldest to newest:
Eighteenth Summer (Do You Wish We'd Fall in Love?)
ambient, pining, sort of sepia toned vignette filtered lestappen. i remember really wanting to capture the ambiguity that comes with being 18 and finishing high school -- a new future looms even when you feel like you haven't finished living what you have now. very much being on a precipice, but with a happy ending :)
You Bring Me Closer To God
i literally fucking love this universe so much. even if the fic wasn't special, writing all the dynamics between the bandmates, between the bar flies, between oscar and lando... it was such a joy. i still think about writing more within Dirty Blondes all the time.
I Know Your Name (But Not Who You Are)
lestappen in grief! the passage of time! the fear that life has somehow stopped moving on but also changed more than you can stomach! wanting things from your childhood but having to accept that you can never go back! but perhaps learning that moving forward is beautiful, too! yet another one where i entered it trying to capture a specific feeling, and i think i managed to like... use the setting in a way that achieved that.
Someone in Seattle
i like this one because i managed to write a fic i'd love to read. i love fics that explore the soft, meandering development of relationships -- the ones where falling in love is a bit of a blurry line, and it happens just by the nature of truly Seeing each other. it's a love letter to my home, and i think of her very fondly.
Impasse of Biting
THIS IS THE ONLY FIC WHERE I FEEL LIKE I GOT EVEN CLOSER TO LIKE. SOMETHING YOU COULD ANALYZE. THERE ARE CHARACTER MOTIVATIONS! THERE'S SPECIFIC WORD CHOICE! THERE'S UNRELIABLE NARRATION AND COMPLICATED EMOTIONAL TIES! idk. it's one that i feel like each reader could come away with something wildly different, and (as someone who doesn't often deal in ambiguity), that makes me proud.
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My ColorFes AU, because I couldn't wait any longer, and maybe I'll be able to think some other things through. It's a lot of space personification and wish magic
Miku is the big bang/whole universe. (as she rightly deserves) Full on Hatsune creation myth where she's born with sound and that gives birth to everything else. She hasn't been seen in a while though, too busy delivering her songs
Rin, Len, and Tsukasa are 1st generation stars. (Partly thought to be older than some galaxies and lighter than today's stars.) There are not many around anymore and these three like to travel. They're not always together. Tsukasa gets to be the little brother and the twins are very mischievous. They love messing with people
Kaito, Kohane, and Haruka are white nebula, the angel equivalent. Haruka in particular works as a guardian angel to help people
Luka, An, and Airi are dark nebula, the demon equivalent. Luka watches over the dead where she will punish those she deems unworthy. An was part of a summoning to try and bring back Nagi but was adopted instead
Rui is the Milky Way galaxy. Asahi could be his black hole of a heart to explain the closeness. But he's definitely seen some things. Mafuyu, another black hole, accidentally separated from her mother's galaxy when she was passing by. Rui's gravitational pull was too strong and he hasn't quite figured out what to do with someone else's black hole yet
Ichika is a dwarf star, and he likes to visit her sometimes. Saki, human, accidentally confused Tsukasa's star for hers once. Ichika's been wondering when she would be able to feel someone's wish upon her again
Honami is the moon. She acts as a bridge between Earth and the rest of the universe and tries to make sure no one gets into trouble
Kanade is a white hole. No one truly believes one exists, and her tired appearance doesn't help. She often watches over the graveyard where a nice couple is buried. They helped her out and now she uses her powers to keep the graveyard safe and healthy
Shiho, Minori, Shizuku, Akito, Touya, Emu, Nene, Ena, Mizuki, and Meiko are the rest of the humans . Meiko is a really long-lived human though. Not even Miku knows what's going on between her, Luka, and Kaito.
Minori knows she has someone following her, Haruka, but hasn't figured out a way to see them. Her cousin, Nanamin, travels with her to find this mysterious person
Nene was born with extra stardust in her, and now the wind speaks to her. She goes wherever the winds take her and eventually meets Emu. Normal, rich family, Emu is trying to keep some of her grandfather's dreams alive, but no one believes her when she talks about them literally dying.
Not sure about Shiho, Shizuku, and Touya yet. They need work, but Shizuku might be in charge of someplace where humans and personifications can hang out. Saito will be with her. Hmmm, Shiho might be able to hear celestials when they're around. Touya's definitely been locked up somehow
Ena is another one born with extra stardust. She's spent years looking for Akito who went missing. Neither realized he had accidentally been trapped in one of her paintings. Akito didn't have any of his memories as he wandered the waste of her paints. She does end up freeing Mizuki who had trapped themself in a mirror years and years ago
Mizuki is quite surprised to find themself alive again
Saki began wishing upon Tsukasa while she was in the hospital. Of course, he had to visit after he heard so many of her wishes. He's made it his goal to help her complete the wishes she wrote upon her cranes. He's also quite curious as the wall of smaller galaxies he had to cross to get into the Milky Way
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I fundamentally do not understand this show. The Dominion War was RIGHT THERE. Like, RIGHT. THERE. Why did we need some whack Romulus-blew-up backstory when the federation was already decimated by the war?? A follow up on the fallout of that and how the ceding of territory, the betrayal by allies, and the xenophobia of threats from both within and outside would have been SO much more interesting to me.
And they're so busy pulling half developed plotlines out of thin air that they're not even pounding in their anchor points for it all. Like, case in point, Jay looking for Icheb's cortical node. SEVEN HAS IT. IT IS LITERALLY IN SEVEN'S FUCKING HEAD. Like, okay fine easter egg? Maybe? But a major plot point isn't exactly an Easter egg?? Like obviously Beyer knows a shitload about Voyager, so at least one of them must be aware of that, so I assume it's implied... but not everyone has seen every Trek and that is from one specific Voyager episode, and Seven had the perfect opportunity to rub that in Jay's face... And are we not going to talk about Seven becoming a Ranger which is HUGELY antithetical to where she was at in Voyager? Because the fact that she became an individual on a ship that was what, 1/3 Maquis? Um, that's a super fucking important fact? Love that for her, but Christ alive nail. these. plot points. home.
idk I guess these two are nitpicks, but I have so many more and just don't feel like writing a novel expounding upon what I perceive as their many (MANY) failures in writing this show. But this show is just full of those moments and I don't understand their choices. Easter eggs only work when there's actually something semi coherent to hide them in (hence why most of M*rvel's fail nowadays, just saying). This feels almost as incoherent as Renegades, and I am SOOOOO very sorry to be actually saying that because woooooof that is not a compliment. Like... it's the Romulans, it's the androids, it's the Borg. It feels like whatever unholy combination is happening with Applebee's and iHop right now. Like... Okay I guess? But it's just a weird combination and very unnecessary. Just fucking pick one and go from there.
I do however need like a lot more ex-Borg bonding that was such a good moment okay thanks bye
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not to become like a certain best friend and info dump about what i love, but man reading the latest wonderlands x showtime event was???????? it was so good aaaaaaaaaah terribly long post whoops read more added~
but what my brain rot at 1am just latched onto is all the facial expressions in the cards and the hour glasses in the uncaps???????? because of course everyone on twt has talked about the hourglasses, and yes this is a very rui event, but on the latter bit no i wanna talk about tsukasa because!!!!!!!!!!!! his uncap and his expression in the normal is just so good. like the normal (and it’s expressed in the event too) he understands how good of an actor asahi is and sees that he still has such a long way to go in his acting. his expression looks like he’s looking into the sun; like he’s happy and in awe and inspired, but at the same time pained by how distant he and asahi are in skill!!!!!! no one has look at that expression to my knowledge on twt and i really just want to shout “LOOK AT MY BOY!!!!!!!!!” but god.............al the expressions in the normal parts of the set are so good (i will sob over mr. rui I WILL CRY)
but then everyone’s talk of the hourglasses; how nene looks sad at hers but also like completely understanding in the passage of time and what that may bring, no matter how big that change is (big hourglasses = big change to me; also tells me that she’s thinking about everyone since there are multiple). rui looking through that hourglass (he’s not stuck in it because you see part of his outfit out of it; it’s just him looking through it to make him appear stuck in time; like he’s finally figured out that even though he wants to go after his dreams, he doesn’t want his time with his friends to end) just. serving big king; i love angst so thank you for that.
but tsukasa. MY SMILEY BABY BOY!!!!!!!!!!! hourglasses neatly stacked into the wall, as if he knows at his foundation and his core that time is so limited (that’s my personal interpretation); he’s dealt with it with saki’s sickness and knowing that time like this happiness and these shows and spending time with these people is so precious, that i feel like “time” is kind of ingrained in him in a way he may not even know (until the next tsukasa centered wxs event; pls prosekai write that; i will give you more gacha money). i do like the idea of kind of......extremes isn’t quite right but is?????? where some people have said that they’re behind him because he’s ignoring it entirely in favor of living in the moment, while the other side says he’s fully accepted it and is the most mature about the passage of time and that they all need to follow their own dreams as well one day. and while i feel more strongly in the latter camp..........people he is wearing the wxs flag / tent cover thing like a pride flag while he runs towards that stage hdfghfdhf LIKE HE’S SO PROUD AND HAPPY TO BE WRAPPED UP IN THE WXS FAMILY!!!!!!!!! i don’t think he’d ever give up wxs for his dreams so easily either; i think right now they are his dream; that he’s becoming the greatest star with them (calling rui “their” director; calling nene “their” musical star). i think it can go many ways: that he wants to continue with them (like the rest of the groups have done; chasing after their dreams as a unit with one goal; AH BUT THE PROMO THINGS HAVE ENDED OOOOOOOH if tsukasa says “let’s because the best theatre troupe TOGETHER, no matter what” next event i Will cry); that he’s guiding them all towards their shining dreams of the future as their leader (he’s just the furthest ahead because he’s Always had this as his goal and has been Very positive towards that growth); or..........i had a third thought but i forgot ghkjfgfxhfgjxd
like, no matter what, tsukasa wants to push to get better. but he also wants to help wxs push to get better and also be there for them (i think he’s like had a sort of heart to heart with rui and emu??? unsure about nene but he’s been nothing but supportive of her as well). which could lead to a lot of angst if he suddenly gets the rui feeling of “ah, i wanna be a top star.........but i don’t wanna leave my friends” but prosekai knows i will Eat That Up; and i’m sure he will get that!!!! while he is the most mature in that sense (in my mind), i’m sure he’d also struggle with the reality of if wxs ever ended or if they followed different paths towards their dreams. but i think he’d come to a similar conclusion that rui kind of came to (or maybe it’s even the conclusion he already has) - to make his dreams come true and stay with wxs into the future. i could honestly see him leaning either way - sudden realization and that anxiety that follows a big decision, or already thinking that he’s gonna be a top star with wxs right there with him (which could also lead to angst if a certain nene feels iffy about that idea; i feel like she’d have the most conflict with that. that or emu would think tsukasa is putting up a front and isn’t following his dreams; and then he has to sit everyone down like “no i love you all and this is what i want!!!!!”). like now it’s 130am but like. i love mr. tsukasa okay; no one was brain rot over him (at least to me) so i just had this. explosion of feeling for the boy and the art in his card!!!!!!!!!
BONUS ROUND FOR MIKU IDOLIZED JUST HAVING THE SNOWGLOBE??????? a scene frozen in time; looking at it with wonder...........what do you see with your special eyes miss miku.............
to over analyze - rui’s coat on on the wardrobe, and the decorations around the snowglobe looking like rui’s fes, with the scene inside looking like new york city..........nene wanting to be a broadway / musical star like her hero, and rui knowing her passion better than anyone, and how it’s the mermaid event he reflects upon to lead to this thought on the future in the first place.............i will cry. only hourglass is the one on the shelf right behind her but it’s like an after thought...........like miss miku is happy about both their present and their future and what both have in store for wxs; this little sekai full of stages...........the normal art when used in the story literally just being miku upset for a bird is Hilarious though, but bird relates to rui so!!!!!!!!!!! it matters~
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