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I think he wants us to pick up where he left off. You know, saving people, hunting things. The family business.
Supernatural Season One (September 13th 2005 - May 4th 2006) | template
#supernatural#spn#sam winchester#dean winchester#spnedit#supernaturaledit#televisionedit#tvedit#usergif#*#taglines are a mix of general show taglines and taglines from official episode posters and lines from the episode
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Shana, your tags on this post ...I need to know more! What exactly was the plan for Supernatural season 3 if it hasn't been for the writer's strike??? And how haven't I heard about this already?? I need the deets!
i'm so glad you asked :)
the original plan for season 3 was for sam to descend into using his demon powers to get dean out of the deal, and for dean to never go to hell. then the writers strike happened, the season got cut from 22 eps to 16, with only 4 after the strike, and that wasn't enough time to establish sam's spiral and powers, so changed the ending. it's on the wiki and there are some articles around about it
this was, in my opinion, the worst fucking decision they could make
it ruined the characters in a lot of ways and really unbalanced everything in a way the show never recovered from
the thing is that this arc is so well set up!
literally at the end of season 2 we get
"You're my big brother, there's nothing I wouldn't do for you. And I don't care, I'm going to get you out of this. I'm going to save your ass for a change."
sam has evaded azazel's every attempt to corrupt him. his shitty home life, all the demons he's exposed sam to, killing jessica, taking away his father, putting him in a literal life or death hunger games scenario. each time sam refuses to play ball
(sam's incorruptibility is what makes him qualified to be king of hell, but that's a different post)
he's the moral compass between him and dean. always has been. there is nothing in sam's messed up, twisted life that has pushed him pass mercy
but dean could do it. there's nothing sam wouldn't do for his big brother
john told dean that he had to either save sam or kill him. except he's never needed to save sam, because it's literally always sam making the measured, compassionate, merciful call. he's the one holding dean back, not the other way around
and sam straining towards darkness for the first time, for dean, would kill him. we'll come back to this
mystery spot, as an episode, is actually pointless if the plan was for dean to go to hell. because sam's sneak peek into what his life is like after dean doesn't do anything. i love this ep, but it's narratively pointless now
however
with the og plan, mystery spot is the turning point. it not only tells sam how miserable he'll be after dean is gone, but it also establishes what he's willing to do to get him back - pretty much anything. it's not theoretical pain, it's not theoretical grief. mystery spot is the thing that pushes sam towards being hard, away from the moral sweetness he's embodied for the past two and half seasons.
the next ep, jus in bello, shows this. sam is considering doing the terrible thing. he's now capable of considering the terrible thing in a way he wasn't before mystery spot. this is when his descent starts, when sam decides he's willing to trade his humanity for his brother's life
and then the writer's strike happened
right when it's getting good, right when sam's arc is ramping up, we lose it. and instead of picking it back up, pushing dean's deal to next season and giving it the weight it deserves, they say fuck it, and send dean to hell
but this fucks it all up. we have sam's "descent" with ruby and demon blood. except not really because he's not even hurting anyone. and dean's back, but not because of sam. sam didn't save him
this fucks it all up
because deans anger and fear and desire to save sam should have been tempered with the knowledge that he did that to save dean's life. that once more someone dean loves has made a terrible sacrifice for him, which he can't stand, which he hates. he has the self esteem of a gnat and the best people he knows keep destroying themselves for his benefit
i think the og build up was sam strengthening his powers to kill lilith, doing it, and then releasing lucifer at the end of s3. sam unwittingly starting the apocolypse to save his brother (does he regret it, dean wonders. it would be easier if he did)
and now everything is shit and dean's drowning but here and his brother has turned himself into something that's not unlike the kid dean loves so much it almost killed him, but not exactly the same. and now he understands john, because this is the sam that dean has to either save or kill, except he could never kill him. he loves him (and how can he kill sam for doing this when it's dean's fault, when dean made the deal that doomed his brother when all he wanted was to save him)
this is the flip that the show has been building towards. dean having to be the moral center for his brother for once. dean being the one saved. dean finally having to face his father's words and deciding once and for all if he's john's son or sam's brother
but instead dean goes to hell. and he's no one moral's center. because he broke in hell, he tortured people and he enjoyed it. they ruined dean with this. because instead of fighting and growing from his violence, they push him into it, and then they call him a righteous man. dean was the one harming people, he's the one that descended into darkness, not sam. sam and his demon blood had still only been trying to good, and in the end did do good, far more than anything dean did in hell, or has done since. his moral outrage, his anger, his disgust towards sam isn't only wildly out of character, it's hypocritical as hell. sam remains the moral, compassionate one, even through this. it never slides to dean. neither of them are really forced to grow or change, only to become twisted into each other in ways that hurt them both
this should have been the story of what sam would do to save his brother (anything) and what dean would do to save his brother (anything)
they should have saved each other
#instead we get dean as an abusive asshole and sam the perpetual victim from him from lucifer from everyone#in magicians julia has a line after her sa about how shes not a delicate flower or a fragile piece of glass that she's a person and ppl hea#they never let my boy heal#either of them#something something everyone is sam's family making deals that he has to pay for#supernatural#asks#flamingwell
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love love LOVE when I’m watching a late season spn recap and they use an out of context soundbite from the early seasons
#them always using the she’s a demon Sam! quote for meg#bitch he said that about ruby 1.0#equally love when they butcher a quote from literally like 2 eps ago to make it make more sense#the I gotta find dad it’s the only thing I’ve been thinking about line#uh he originally said that about Jessica’s killer not John#supernatural#spn#dean winchester#sam winchester#castiel
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I LOVE YOU BEE! I LOVE YOUR SUPERNATURAL FANART!!!
Please delete if you aren't interested but would you take prompts 😬 Dean is a very protective older brother and i vaguely remember an episode where he goes apeshit when sam is bullied back when they were kids (and then something similar happens in that episode). Dean is so so angry and sam is just like <i am baby 🥺> and they are very cute 😩😭
You continue to light my dash AND LIFE with just your existence thank you thank you thank you 😘😘😘
My dear @l0vegl0wsinthedark !!! Sorry it took me months to answer but I just couldn‘t think of a good scenario! Hope you enjoy this one ✨🌻
Thanks for sticking with me through the years and fandoms 🫶
On this note: Thank all of you, who send nice asks and messages and reblog my stuff with hilarious and relatable tags I really appreciate every single one 💚 (super sorry I’m so slow at answering) but I hope I can brighten some days from time to time as much as your support brightens mine on a regular basis!
Have a fantastic week guys 💚🌻
#supernatural#ask box#dean winchester#the ever protecting big brother#crossing the scary maniac line from time to time but we love him nevertheless#sam winchester#being the adorable little brother since 1983#both of them being highly skilled at building sandcastles#in my mind#some random bullies#one poor girl whose sandcastle got destroyed#beebox-illustrations#digital art#illustration#web comics#procreate#my art#also the worlds ugliest bottle caps ever drawn
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Comfy & cozy are we ✨🎄
#spn fanart#destiel#destiel fanart#dean winchester#castiel#spn#supernatural#wiggleart#spnfanart#worked on this on and off the last few weeks as I finished the coloring book#so I could remember how to use color and not get burned out by doing line art all month lmao#added the ceramic Christmas tree bc I’m obsessed with mine#mine is from my grandmother it was hers since the 40s I think?#idk I was fascinated by it as a child and so when my grandfather died I got it#I love it to bits lol
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come on america, castiel didn't get sent to turbo hell just to lose the 2024 election
#wasn't the whole point of his dying to deliver us from our sins and evil or something like that#like come on#the power of destiel compels you#i am in fact coping horribly with the gut wrenching anxiety caused by today#i am not having a grand ol time and if i don't make horrific jokes then i may find myself going off if a bridge#but as the bible says#i am dust and to dust i shall return#something along those lines#but the dust is a supernatural fan so entrenched into brainrot due to how much content i consumed as such a fromative age#destiel#2024 election#presidential election#election 2024#idk if anyone is blacklisting it im tryna find every tag so you don't have to see this#fuck im trying okay#2024 presidential election#that's it if you're blacklisting a different tag for the election im sorry i tried#but alas i have to go back to panicking#.txt#spn
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so after boots, what other hsr characters do you like?
hm. well. hmmmm. ahhh.. uhhhhhhhhhhh
#sal.asks#it's cowboy all the way down baby !!!!!#this is only kind of a joke answer lol. i legitimately lost 90% of my interest in other characters once i saw leaks abt him LOL#and it's only gone downhill from there#...he should have a ship name like that. uphill or downhill. theres a joke there#otherwise i am a big ratio fan. second funniest character in the whole cast#bro is so done with EVERYBODY'S shit#i have to respect his dedication to not giving a fuck about what anybody thinks about him lol#(but also there's clearly something else going on underneath that?? WHAT is going on in his brain. i wanna study him like a bug)#homie is here for one purpose and that is EDUCATION. he's so funny#i wrote like 5k words of a fic for him with an oc. putting him in a box and shaking it around#like that pear wiggler gif. you know the one#i am also a screwllum lover 💝 silly man. deeply charming. also incredibly funny just in a subtle way#i am a moderate dh enjoyer as well bc that boy is slaving away in the angst mines#and also. dragon. insane about his aesthetic#theres so much beautiful merch for him. i saw a gold-lined pin of his dragon and dear godddddddd#if i werent broke from the holidays it would be MINEEEEEEEEE#i was geared up to be obsessed with aven (i think i have a supernatural sense for when backstories are going to be interesting)#but then i saw the bh leaks and every other thought fled my brain LOLLL#anyway yeah i know it's deeply unusual to only post about one character for these sorts of games lol#so the question is reasonable#the answer is just not that exciting unfortunately 😭
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re: the idea that dean or cas thought they were unloved, both of them disprove this to some extent in s10.
dean says the people that love him stopped him from being a demon (i.e. sam and cas). cas says that everyone dean loves will be long dead - except for cas.
the way they say this is kinda crazy - it's not 'I love you', but 'you love me'. this does distance the speakers from stating their own feelings (since it feels less vulnerable to say "the people that love me" instead of the "the people I love"), but it shows confidence in the stability of their relationship. both dean and cas aren't asking whether they are loved by the other - they are stating it as fact.
and the word choice is really interesting too. 'family' is used much more often to refer to close relationships in the series, while 'love' holds a much higher and rarer place (think of how often the brothers have told each other they love each other vs. them just saying we're family/brothers). the use of 'love' to refer to their relationship stood out to me all on itself.
#i know its literally 2 lines but its really interesting to me 😭#especially considering the significance of cas saying 'i love you' in despair and how little 'love' is used in the show in general#btw the quotes are from 10x07 and 10x22#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#spn#supernatural#spn s10#spn 10x07#spn 10x22#deancas#spn meta#my posts
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nah the fandom does acknowledge it’s because of his abyss powers he became like this. they believe it more especially after seeing the effect on chasca etc
YEAH everyone acknowledges he became this way because of the abyss but what i'm talking about is like. his character stories make it sound like he gained some sort of cognitohazard Strife Effect that makes chaos constantly break out around him and i've never seen anyone talk about THAT.
Specifically these lines:
In those three months, the swordswoman taught Tartaglia how to pass through the Abyss unhindered, and more importantly, nurtured the ability to stir up endless havoc from within Ajax's trouble-mongering nature.
Shocked by Ajax's great strength and curious about how he invariably became the eye of a vortex of discord, Pulcinella inducted Ajax into the Fatui under the pretext of meting out punishment, ordering him to start from the bottom and take up the duty of serving the Tsaritsa.
Kind of make it sound like it's not an effect of his personality but rather some sort of passive aura he's exerting.
Of course, the reason no one talks about this could well be because it makes no fucking sense, when his personality itself is already quite sufficient to explain all the fights he gets into.
...Could also easily be a case of me interpreting lore way too literally again lol
#i made a 10k crackfic out of over-literally interpreting oceanid lore once. so.#aphelion.txt#ask#childe#tartaglia#genshin impact#the skirk line does say 'from within his nature'#but the fact that it's referred to as an 'ability' is weird to me#and why would pulcinella be 'curious' about it when it seems#very obvious from just looking at him that he will stir up trouble#Then again#Now that i've reread it a third time#It seems less heavily implied than i thought it was for a span of 6 hours#the concept of him having a supernatural ability to draw aggro is so fucking funny to me tho#even if this is the case i don't think childe is consciously aware of it tho#i want him to meet a psychic who's like 'can you fucking turn that off. my head hurts'#and he's like what. turn what off.
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The most terrifying creature of all
[First] Prev <--> Next
#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#lan jingyi#lan sizhui#ouyang zizhen#nameless red disciple#Absolutely none of these people should ever be allowed in a haunted house#Except maybe LSZ#The juniors would either 1) Cry 2) punch one of the staff 3) pee a little bit 4) break something in fear. Dreadful patrons.#and they are supposed to be in training for dealing with the supernatural too! SMH!#I did enjoy drawing them cuddled up though B*)#WWX is banned from haunted houses too because he tries to get himself involved as one of the scare-ers. Which is a violation of union code#He's 'trying to make the experience more enriching' but in reality he just likes to get a reaction out of people.#Truly a guy you go to a corn maze with only to get separated from him.#And when you do find him he's face down what looks like his own blood#As you try and check to see if he's okay he suddenly grabs your ankles and starts spitting lines from the exorcist#Then laughs when you scream#Truly a guy who is NOT getting a second date#Next episode features something very very scary. Universally so.#a t-t-t-teen girl.#LJY is curled up on the ground btw. Joining the JC sock puppet that has also been just out of sight this entire time
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the thing with the screenrant article (other than it ignoring the winchesters and y’know *vaguely gestures at spns 15 year run*) is that the conclusion doesn’t make sense, why would a miniseries be the only way it could work? why is there no room for exploring the story outside of sam’s dream life/blurry wife ending? like come on, 1. we have characters other than sam and 2. how many dream sequences or hallucinations or alternate realities have there been across the show?
#idk maybe a miniseries could work. but like it’s not the sole option.#i prefer the longer seasons bc they give a lot more room to explore characters and plot lines when executed properly#also why are they framing it like jared has had this revolutionary idea lol#they’re just stealing from gilmore girls#spn#supernatural
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3x11 // 4x09
#supernatural#spn#sam winchester#spnedit#supernaturaledit#samwinchesteredit#blood //#*#some of the gif are out of order from the actual scene bc i wanted them to line up better ANYWAY...hot
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“You were saying you didn’t even know what love feels like and I was just thinking, you idiot, you asshole, it feels like this.”
ninety one whiskey by komodobits
#what was more culturally significant the renaissance or this#i’ll be thinking about this line forever#ninety one whiskey#91w#spn#supernatural#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#on my 91w brainrot shit atm#i downloaded these from pinterest idk who to give credit to i’m sorry :(#the inside of my brain
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The natural order is absent fathers.
I’ve been trying to understand what the heck “natural order” means in Supernatural until I’ve finally realized I was giving it too much thought than necessary because it was much simpler than what I had in mind: the natural order in Supernatural is…. Supernatural from s1 to s3.
I can explain.
First of all, the natural order is an “arrangement”:
EVE: You misunderstand me. I never wanted that. Not at first. I liked our arrangement. SAM: What arrangement? EVE: The natural order. My children turned a few of you, you hunted a few of them. I was happy.
Eve turns up in s6 after s4-5 madness and she’s unhappy: the arrangement has been broken. This leads me to think that the key-factor in keeping the natural order alive and well is honoring deals. When Crowley starts crossing boundaries in s6 Eve steps up to put him back in his place. However, she doesn’t realize who her real enemy is until it was too late for her. As always, the enemy of the natural order, the breaker of deals, the one you cannot expect to keep his word, the snake in the grass is our very Castiel.
Billie shares Eve's storyline. She’s also unhappy about the discombobulation of the natural order and she takes it on the Winchesters and then later on specifically on Dean. What's more, with Billie we see that uncontrolled resurrections without deals are a real problem for her. She fails to realize who her mortal enemy is twice: once when she’s a reaper and Castiel stabs her in the back and in so doing he’s breaking a stupid deal; the second time when they die together in s15. This time, though, they die because Cas is honoring a deal, but he’s doing it on his own terms, not waiting around wondering what true happiness is but taking matter into his own hands. Although I have things to say about how happiness is framed in “Despair”, I’ve got to admit that, in its own convoluted way, it was a badass move.
Interestingly, when it comes to Chuck we don’t see the same respect and passion for the natural order that Eve and Billie seem to share. This is also where I think the writers sort of dropped the ball. In s11 it was established that Chuck had created nature and then nature “created on its own”. Here he seems to respect nature and calls it “divine”. In “The Trap”, however, he says the following things:
SAM: It'll be better. It'll be better. It'll be better. If we win – When we win – When we beat you, I will make it better! CHUCK: You can't, Sam. You, Sam Winchester, have been playing fast and loose with the laws of nature and magic for a very long time – you and your brother. Always breaking the rules. And that's what I love about you, Sam. It's so heroic. It's so...Promethean. But there's still so much about the fabric of the universe that you don't know... that you can't know. 'Cause you're only humans. But I'm God. Think about what I showed you. Look beyond the Mark, beyond you and Dean fanging out – heartbreaking, but not the headline news. SAM: The monsters. CHUCK: The monsters. CHUCK: Without me, it's a law of nature – dark forces prevail, monsters rule, and you, your brother, and everyone you love will die. Can you really live with that?
First of all I find it fascinating that Chuck, of all people, likes Sam and Dean precisely because they break the rules (but then he can't stand Castiel, looool, much to think about). He’s eventually angry at them because they don’t follow his script but he’s ultimately invested in these characters to such a degree that he calls them “Promethean”. Now, lol because didn’t Prometheus die, like, in s8 or something? But also: Prometheus is the hero who got impaled on the mountains of Caucasus because he defied Zeus (*cough* like *cough* Dean Winchester*cough*). So whether Chuck likes their "heroism" or not he only likes it up to a certain point (and this certain point is when their actions reveal his secret desires for self-destruction but that's for another day). For sure he wickedly enjoys when he vicariously breaks the rules and the natural order arrangement via Sam and Dean's actions. Not so much when it's Castiel who inserts himself into the fabrics of his story.
Secondly, “without me, it’s a law of nature”. What does that mean? I promised I wasn’t gonna go too philosophical so I went for the simpler route. If we leave aside the “dark forces” and “monsters rule” shit, what Chuck is saying is basically that without him the natural order will prevail. Which should be a good thing, right? Right?! Which also means that he himself is as much of a disruptor of the natural order as Castiel (oh-oh). Just like Billie, Chuck likes breaking the rules only when he or one of this favorite characters break them. Unlike Castiel and the Winchesters, however, he’s on a different plane of knowledge (therefore power) because there’s so much more about the fabrics of the universe that they can’t know but he can. After all, he is God and he (according to SPN) has created nature itself. So what’s Chuck’s signature on this "divine" masterpiece? What are the foundations of the natural order? I think the answer can be found in “Free to be You and Me”:
DEAN: The hell did you do? CASTIEL: I don't know. I just looked her in the eyes and told her it wasn't her fault that her father Gene ran off. It was because he hated his job at the post office. DEAN: Oh, no, man. CASTIEL: What? DEAN: This whole industry runs on absent fathers. It's, it's the natural order.
That’s it, that’s the natural order according to Supernatural: it’s about absent fathers. It’s on their absence that “this whole industry” runs. Which not so incidentally is also the premise of Supernatural and, like, the whole plot of the first two seasons (and beyond but I'm talking "Dad's on a hunting trip and he hasn't been home for a few days" type of absent father, that is John Winchester).
So if my understanding is correct, it’s accurate to say that Billie won in the finale because the natural order was re-established: nobody is resurrected, they all eventually die and Sam and Dean go on a hunt guided by their absent father’s journal, something we haven’t seen in ages, on a case that John himself had worked on something like maybe 20 years prior? Which is what they did in the first seasons of the show. They even meet a vampire from S1 who was there to signal precisely that: they're back in the past, only not in a positive way because it's a fictional past. A past with a mask.
Yes, the natural order is just the past through rose-colored glasses, a “let’s go back to the fun times of season 1-3 before all that angels-and-god-non-sense”. Which is technically possible but practically anachronistic. These two men are not in their 20s anymore, they're fully grown adults who've been through... let's just say a lot. It's a glorification of youth and a "forever young"ism that I find quite worrying. Moreover, with these premises Castiel couldn’t ever come back because, together with Chuck, he was one of the main disturbers of the natural order, aka the way Supernatural was before S4. Chuck's mistake was precisely inserting himself into the narrative because, in so doing, The Father is no longer absent while he must stay so according to the rule of the natural order. That's the arrangement. Chuck and Castiel's narrative fates are thus weirdly knotted together because the arrangement excludes deal-breakers/father-figures like them. Ironically, the ultimate absent father is not God but John Winchester, period. His absence is Order. It's the Law, aka what gives meaning to reality.
The implications of the finale are problematic because why on earth would you end your series like that? It's not even a positive "full-cycle" moment, it's just sad and uncanny in the freudian sense of the word. I know and understand that Dabb was working on his retelling so that we could all go back to the beginning but what is the point to go back without growth? Or to go back and then die? Or to go back and just leave? To me it doesn't make sense from a storytelling pov. I repeat, why would the people involved in this series decide to go down that road I cannot know. I suspect that they took the emotional, fake-happy ending road because Covid had destroyed the world as we know it so maybe they opted for an ending that would comfort people ("comfort" in the sense that's familiar to people, it follows an established path that's recognizable and doesn't destabilize them, which, for the record, I think they failed to do). Or maybe the intent was precisely the uncanny, that feeling of something disturbing and unsettling in what should be familiar and comfortable for us. As in: the story ends like it began, nothing has really changed and everything can only get resolved in the after-life. True happiness is not in the having, it's in just being (dead in Heaven with your brother). I don't know, two things can be true at the same time, but I'm not gonna lie I smell traditionalism, conservatism and heroism as a cult of death that's very Ur-fascist.
Not that anybody has asked for this but, unlike Eve and Billie, I’m actually quite happy because I’ve managed to find an answer to one of my own questions.
#insert laura dern's monologue from “marriage story”#supernatural#spn#castiel#sam winchester#dean winchester#chuck shurley#billie won theory#spn s15#the natural order#eve mother of monsters#billie spn#spn meta#spn lines#super-m/Others#myths we live by#q#on resurrection
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spn || 11.07
#spn graphic#spnedit#samedit#deanedit#sam winchester#dean winchester#supernatural#200#plush#lipglosskaz#season 11#brothers man#myS11#This is a line from the episode#The gifs are the brothers reactions#To hearing it#It's all about the brothers
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Watching over you 💙💫 [x]
#destiel#spn art#spn fanart#dean Winchester#castiel#supernatural#wiggleart#I had sketched this out on my old iPad based on this original doodle I did years and years ago#and wanted to finish it up on my new work space so I didn’t have to worry about layers haha#I’m still getting used to that lol it’s so weird going from 10to 70 layers like my brain can’t process it#also yes I took this line for the art from the show but I did narrow it down to watching over you so it can#match with our official unofficial anthem watching over me lmao#shhhhh I’m perfectly fine
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