#like this isnt even in a shipping context btw

[tinyetoile]

Bitchy ranting about botw/totk link n zelda below

In relation to the last post. I know I'm kind of mean to botw/totk link and zelda's relationship but man when I beat TotK I could not stop thinking about the contrast between the scene where Zelda is freed from the crystal in SS vs how Link treats Zelda post-fall in TotK. Like in SS when Zelda collapses, Link runs forward to catch her, how he escorts her out there holding her hand, how they both keep looking at eachother and laughing whenever Groose gets emotional.

And then in TotK after they fall from the sky and Link carries Zelda out of the pond he just... kneels, and doesn't make a single other motion to help her afterwards. Like, Zelda just transformed back into a person after spending a bajillion years as a mindless dragon and then fell from the statosphere into a shallow pond and you're not even going to her help sit up? You're just going to kneel there??? Not going to offer her any sort of comfort?????

I think... this post has helped me find words for one of my major problems with botw/totk Link and Zelda: they have all these moments that are supposed to be big grand setpiece moments (him rescuing her from Yiga assassins, the last catch) but they feel hollow because outside of those moments there are so few of the little moments that show subtle care, particularly from Link to Zelda. I'm not saying they don't exist (Link taking the torch from Zelda is one example) but I wish there were more of them. Because it feels like whenever Zelda needs some sort of emotional support Link leaves her high and dry. You don't even have to make him less of a stoic, stalwart knight to do it! I was rewatching the botw memory where Rhoam is a terrible father to her and all I could think about was how much better the scene would be if it had gone on for a few more seconds and shown Link rising from his kneeling position after the king leaves and putting his hand on Zelda's shoulder. That could've done so much!!! But instead he's always kneeling, barely looking at her, refusing to touch her unless absolutely necessary. It's borderline uncomfortable to watch.

Meanwhile in SS Link and Zelda DO have those moments of casual closeness, showing they care for eachother, enforcing they're important to eachother in subtle ways, and the relationship between them feels so much more lively and substantial because of it. And outside of skyward sword, I keep thinking to that scene in Spirit Tracks where after Malladus is defeated and the Lokomo leave, Link and Zelda just quietly hold hands in mutual reassurance that, it's over. We're okay. Everything's going to be alright now. Hell, these scenes even work- work even better IMO- outside of a romantic context, because it doesn't need to be A Romance for it to be obvious they have a close bond.

In conclusion Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks are still the games with the best Link-Zelda relationship of all time

[thefreshprinceofjunes]

[undyinglantern]

be me and intentionally read fewer chapters per day in order to prolong reaching the end of the story only to suddenly have hehe do you think "whos that?" "thats miya" "yours??" would show up as a little throwaway gag in the timeskip? i should hurry up and reach the timeskip to find out pop into your head only to remember el(masculine) and mia(feminine) would not be used in the same sentence. even if you dropped the el and just said es mi(y)a, which on its own is a proper statement, wouldnt work in the specific context because the twins are guys so youd have to say mio for the pun to even work. but thats not their name is it now AND ALSO you wouldnt even be introducing someone by their family name in latin america so the whole scenario is bogus to begin with

just thought of the silliest pun only to realize it wouldnt even work bc spanish is a gendered language

[cios-correct-opinions]

@evilkaeya @aaabatteryy @starrynightarchive

see my other post about this here

to tl;dr this: when it comes to fandom and content creators, ppl tend to make content of the characters they already love and thus think about most often, which leads to, at times, male characters getting genderbent into women either thru cis or trans hcs, bc they are both genderbending, thats the definition of the term bc youre changing their gender, and getting mad at people for not, in your opinion, "appreciating" the female characters enough, is not doing anything except making people feel bad for not having the "correct" feelings about a character at best, or making them actively angry and thus fueling them to create more of that thing you hate out of spite at worst (for you anyway, not for the people who like it).

this doesnt mean they dont give a shit abt the other characters who arent their faves, but to create a work of art, you need to be able to like. care enough to do it. and that requires more care than just a general enjoyment or appreciation of a character, especially if the work in question is time intensive/would be time intensive, like writing a chapter fic/thousands of words long oneshot, or making a fully rendered piece of art, etc. obvi this will depend on the skill and energy levels of the artist we're talking about but yknow, on a general scale

op of this post blocked me so i cant respond directly on it but, for context

first of all: i'm not illiterate but i'm beginning to think some people on this post might be, given this response, because it is so clearly Not what i was talking about it's a little wild, actually!

also i hate to tell yall this, but the reason you don't often see people genderbending female characters to male anymore is bc of the spread of radfem ideology thru fandom spaces like wildfire. ppl genuinely lose their shit when ppl even have transmasc or trans man headcanons for characters assumedly cis female in the source material (which is genderbending btw. them being trans doesnt mean it isnt genderbending anymore you are still changing their gender thus it is genderbending thats the definition fellas) bc they fucking hate men and the idea of men existing

sorry not sorry but if you get mad at ppl who genderbend female characters into transmascs/trans men (transmascs aren't always genderbends, bc you can be transmasc and also a woman, but i digress/for the sake of brevity...) and go "you're TAKING AWAY a GOOD FEMALE CHARACTER!" i need you to stop for a second and consider why these people - most of whom are trans men/transmascs themselves - might be doing that to a character they like.

9/10 times when i see a cis genderbend of a male character to be female, the person doing it is a cis woman. when i see genderbends, of any kind, of a female character to be male or masc? it's almost always done by a trans man and/or a transmasc. and inevitably, they are almost always dogpiled for it with disgusting levels of hate. i've seen it happen so many times i stopped attempting to count a long time ago

don't come up here saying "you NEVER see-" because actually i see all of those things happen all the time. ppl love genderbending men characters into women, or emasculating/demasculinizing/feminizing them in order to make them personally more appealing, or saying "[mlm ship] would be better if it was two girls/wlw/two fem-aligned/etc" all the fucking time. and while i realize this is often a way for the people who say this to like, try to lash out at common misogynistic/lesbiphobic/transmisogynistic/etc sentiment irl, in doing so, they are not doing it in a way that allows for a nuanced understanding of their fellow fandom-goers. they make blanket sweeping statements and then dogpile people who disagree

the moment you start treating entire demographics of people as if they are a hivemind or a single identity, the moment you decide that something "never" happens bc you personally have not seen it? youve already lost any possible chance you mightve had at making a good point

[warpcorp]

A SPACE ODYSSEY TUMBLR SIMULATOR

[FOR CONTEXT, the book mentions that the events of the Discovery have become a "classic" of sorts which implies there is a fandom in universe for the Discovery...]

🚀 davidbowmankinnie follow

Happy 100 years since the Discovery Mission!

🔴 hal10000 follow

can't believe it's been 100 years... it felt like just yesterday!

🎂 discovery-logs-outofcontext follow

rb with your favorite thing about the fandom. I'll go first. i found my best friend irl because I saw she was reading the Discovery Manuscript. She's a really big Hal fan and I love Sal a lot. We are hal & sal irl...

💾 heywoodslefttoe follow

i kin dated someone as frank/dave in middle school. It ended bad.

📼 chandradeservedbetter follow

LOL do you remember the Hal Plushie incident?

🪽 halleyscomet follow

The WHAT NOW?

🌐 halmanpoole-shipper follow

DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE HAL PLUSHIE.

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

I CANNOT STAND HAL APOLOGISTS IM SORRY 💀 HE LITERALLY KILLED FOUR PEOPLE.

🔦 kaminskyy follow

Ofc its a frankdave shipper. Your fucking username IS FRANK DAVE ANAL SEX.

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

Your fav has zero fucking lines in the book but ok 📸 ur literally a murderer apologist 😭😭

🔴 hal10000 follow

GOD shut up its not a book theyre real people. Hal also like?? Was going thru fucking psychosis but ok then... did you read the second mission??

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

You're a hal kinnie dni.

🧮 zeniiiia follow

Don't interact with op they've doxxed like seven people.

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

BLOCKED 🤣

📀 legendofthediscovery follow

Just updated my newest fic! It's a hal/dave/frank fic, has 15 chapters and is a post canon fix-it!

💡chandras-son follow

GODDD THE HAL/SAL/CHANDRA INTERACTION IN THE NEWEST CHAP IS SO CUTE... OP I AM DYINGGG

📀 legendofthediscovery follow

I AM A HUGE FAN OF YOUR ART... IM HAPPY YOU LIKE IT. YOU INSPIRED A LOT OF THE CHANDRA FAMILY MOMENTS 🩷

💡chandras-son follow

CAN WE BE MUTUALS

🔎 dave-bowwman follow

Happy anniversary to my bfs @frankk-pooole and @ hal-loween. Couldn't do it without you guys

📺 betty-to-her-helena follow

Omg you guys are relationship goals...

🔎 dave-bowwman follow

THANK YOU <3

🎞 helena-to-her-betty follow

we neeeed to do that double date sometime.

〽️ frankk-pooole follow

YESS!! hal would also love it. Hes next to me btw.

🧿 monolithic-loser follow

the monolith is SO UNDERRATED.

🥏 tanya-heywood follow

🤝 I FELT THAT MY FAV IS LITERALLY TANYA NO ONE KNOWS HER AND MY RAREPAIR IS TANYA/HEYWOOD

🦾 hetty follow

Mine is betty/helena... no one even KNOWS OF THEM. SAPPHIC SHIPS DESERVE SO MUCH BETTER??

📽 sal-amander follow

> My favorite is Sal. I wish people talked about her more.

🤖 discoverydotcom follow

Petition to make the fandom less weird about the women in the book...

🔴 hal10000 follow

IT ISNT A BOOK.

🪐 jupiterreal follow

my god... its full of stars... I THINK ABOUT THAT ENDING SO MUCH. FUCKKKKKKKKK.

💾 heywoodslefttoe follow

IN THE SEQUEL HE COMES BACK BUT LIKE AS A WEIRD GHOST...

🤖 discoverydotcom follow

goddd wanna hear my headcanon ?? I hc he saved hal and they're living together as ghosts.

🔴 hal10000 follow

Bro you're reaching so hard for that ending.

🤖 discoverydotcom follow

LET ME DREAAAAAM

☀️ apolloeleven follow

Transmasc!David Bowman is real and in this essay...

〽️ frankk-pooole follow

REAL... i know dave trust me.

🌐 halmanpoole-shipper follow

Frank and dave transmasc and agender hal is canon

🔦 kaminskyy follow

REALL. T4T4A or something

🦾 hetty follow

Looking at the Discovery RPF tag is SO FUNNY. It's halman porn, davefrank angst, chandra found family and THEN THE MOST SOUL CRUSHING HELENA/BETTY POST CANON FIC EVER... going sooo insane

🔴 hal10000 follow

Sorry we left your boyfriend in space... yea.. hes floating out there for eternity..

🔦 kaminskyy follow

Sometimes i wonder what the irl discovery crew & lenonov crew would think if they saw this.

🔴 hal10000 follow

They'd have a fucking heart attack.

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

LOL

🔴 hal10000 follow

Didnt you block me?

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

Im not a pussy it was a bit jfc

🔴 hal10000 follow

What did i do to you oh my god

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

Wanna make out

🔴 hal10000 follow

?????????

🎰 discovery-alerts follow

HEYWOOD KNOWS ABOUT THE HALFRANK FIC

💾 frankdaveanalsex follow

HUH????

🤖 discoverydotcom follow

NO WHAT THE FUCK NOT THAT ONE???

📺 betty-to-her-helena follow

HOW DID HE FIND THAT?

DOES HE READ DISCOVERY RPF..... NOOOO????

🛸 tsiiiiiiiien follow

OUgh

🛸 tsien follow

SAME PROFILE PIC LOL

Also. WHAT GHE FUCK.

🪽 halleyscomet follow

Whats the halfrank fic?

☀️ apollotwelve follow

You sweet summer child...

[jinxificada]

oh my god, u r SO real about timebomb darl !! Im an ex lol player so deep down ill always know ekko only loves powder and not jinx. and some ppl just arent meant to be in relationship (or at least in some parts of their lifes) and jinx is just a perfect example of that :3 I kinda feel like this whole timebomb thing is like a trend, where one person said its cool so now everyone thinks they have chemistry. (i love rareships btw, and timebomb isnt even a rareship but i just physicly cant stand it) (╥﹏╥) ty if u read this sweetie I just had to share this w someone

baiiiii (๑ > ᴗ < ๑)

hii omg thanks for sharing

so yea i have never played lol but that’s something i can see. tho even if ekko does love jinx at all that doesn’t matter cause she firstly needs help 😭 i would hate if they gave her a bf before mental health treatment.

and i know ships are fun but these shippers are soo blindly excited for any interaction between them that completely ignore the context of it. its a war!!! jinx’s in danger!! and ekko won’t make her any good for any of her goals and needs

[burinazar]

(idk who will care about this post but i think long schpiels on extremely specific Thoughts About Media is a major use case for tumblr so you’re getting it anyway) i think i wouldn’t at all have my feeling of disconnect re the rest of fandom’s* interest in Bondord if he had been a woman. this isnt a bizarre critique of some sort its just a funny thought about me and what i like. twisted inversion of motherhood with a mad scientist character feels like, the concept has More For Me than the same with fatherhood and would create more intrinsic interest in the character

*especially ‘my cohort’ — the contingent who seems to have similar predilections like fic/shipping activity and also much of the portion of the fandom that’s, like, adult women — largely those folks are big Bondrode fans and enjoy Guebon and i’m like, i relate to your habits guys but have very little interest in your man. (for those who haven’t heard me bitch about this before: i dont hate him but i have littlr interest in seeking out art or fic of him or anything and I’m kinda sad that he’s the only adult character who ever got like figures and nendo and stuff.)

hopefully no one takes this personally lol. hell, i don’t care if Bon fans think Belaf is boring! that is in fact vastly preferable to people who are randomly mean about my ships. please feel free to just ignore my favorite characters’ existence instead.

anyway like

if he’d shown up as A Horrible Science Woman and then the movie recast her into Also A Loving (But Still Horrible) Mother i’d probably like this chara much more. it’s not like because Ooh Evil Woman Hot or something. actually i think i still wouldn’t find her hot the way most of the aforementioned Bondord Enjoyers do. i pick up a new ‘character i think is actually hot’ very rarely and then they stay forever. i have very limited slots for that tbh. (also this is just me complaining now and no longer relevant but such characters tend to be pretty unpopular lol and have very little r18 content/fic available and generally this drives me to despair. i drew a picture about the top offenders once.)

it’s more..i think the fucked up inversion of motherhood is more intrinsically interesting to me than with fatherhood. it’s just a personal interest thing. i think that sort of thing is neat. if i ever bother to go watch chainsaw man it’ll be because i know that’s a thing that it gets into and many people like what it does there. also there’s how much i dig mapping parts of this show onto other parts (in fact this is already the context in which i do manage to find him interesting sometimes — the Riko Waz Bondird sliding scale of what lines you’ll cross is the one context in which i have a brain cell to focus on this guy lol.) and in that regard motherhood is part of the premise of the show and all and ways it can be inverted and fucked up is a big deal in my favorite arc even if this isn’t *why* it’s my favorite arc. so i think i’d also enjoy being able to make more parallels with it. even though the general parallel of ‘versions of parenthood’ is still available, i think bad mad scientist fathers are just a less intrinsically Oh Cool concept to me than ‘bad mad scientist mother.’ (Yes I Do Like Prospera Btw)

related: even though I love love love Waz and you guys know this, it also took a while for that to click into place after meeting him. but one time I saw Oriole’s girlWaz tenderly cradling one of the Irukos and i instantly realized that if he had been a woman and the visual of him with the baby and a knife had thus inevitably channeled inverted motherhood and dovetailed with the existing examinations of motherhood in the arc and in abyss as a whole, i would have loved him instantly instead of having to let my thoughts on him percolate.

[atouuu]

Amethyst (a Silvercandle fanfic)

(Note from the author: putting something different here than on ao3,,but this is my first fic first off and this is only the first chapter here. ALSO BTW THIS IS VERY MUCH SILVERCANDLE FLUFF AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE TITLE SO..if you dont like the ship this one isnt for you,, For more context i suggest you see it on ao3 but this spawned from a twitter thread between me and a mutual and basically its silver and candle and some other ii characters and my personal ships playin minecraft in candles attempts to cheer up silver during a rainy week,,constructive critisism is encourgaed since im very new to this so ye,,enjoy chapter on and here is the ao3 link to the fic as i will be updating it with the other chapters as time goes on so rn im just really testing the waters,,,OKAY ON TO THE FIC!!)

Chapter 1: A Rainy Week Ahead

Silver lay awake one night at hotel OJ; it had been raining for practically the whole day, and Silver usually was fine spending these particularly gloomy days for him in his hotel room reading (that is when Lightbulb wasn’t trying to get him to “cheer up”). Though, this time felt different...Silver didn’t exactly feel himself..this whole self betterment journey he’s been..feeling off.. According to the forecast it was gonna be like this all week, and Silver surely didnt have enough books (or emotional stability) to just stay in his room for a whole week. So he decided, instead of sleeping, he’d talk to Candle; even though she was definitely asleep by now…

Deep breaths …Silver Spoon thought to himself. He reached over to his bedside table to get his phone and opened the messenger app, but he hesitated. He hated seeming too clingy towards Candle…even if he knew, she did care about him..and love him..a lot…He didn’t just want to talk to her..he wanted to be with her, physically. Silver sat there, for at least 10 minutes, just staring, gazing, daydreaming, as he looked down at his phone in silence; the rain outside gradually beating down even harder on the window of the room. He winced at the sound of thunder. God he hated this. He really couldnt stand this much longer. He threw off the ugly orange covers of his Hotel OJ bed and hopped out of bed, dropping his phone in the process. “Whoops..” Silver Spoon said softly to himself ...praying and hoping to God that he didn’t wake Lightbulb…the LAST thing he would want in this moment was to be questioned. Silver could have seen her moving under the covers (though he was also wondering how she wasn’t suffocating by now) but she didn’t seem to have woken up.. “Phew…” That was close. He snatched his phone off the ground and walked to his closet and got the baby blue robe that Candle got for him and threw it on over his pajamas, opening the room door very gently and closing it as such before tiptoeing down the hall to Candle’s room. 

Unfortunately for Silver just as he was about to knock on the door; very hesitantly; BOOM, there was the thunder again, scaring the poor guy off his feet nearly, so if he wasn’t gonna go through with knocking before, he’d definitely done it now as he practically slammed his face and phone into the door, leaving him standing there in front of Candle and Goo’s room in a daze. Click click. “Silver Spoon…my dear, are you alright..?” Silver, standing there with his knees still shaking and his heart basically trying to beat out his chest, took a moment to register her voice… “Silver…” Candle gently rested her hands on his shoulders as she tried to calm him down, eventually patting his back and leading him into her room and onto her bed. Silver at this point had eased back into his senses as he sat. Candle, after gently closing the door as to not wake her roommate, sat beside him, a concerned look on her face it seemed, though it was difficult for Silver to make it out because, the lights in the room were off, the only light being the dimly lit night light Goo had plugged in on his side of the room, where he still lay soundly asleep. They sat on Candle’s bed in silence for a moment. “So..is something wrong?” Silver, of course, not wanting to admit to just..wanting to be in her embrace, instead of admitting it, he hesitantly wrapped his arm around her and pulled her in for a hug; resting his head on her shoulder in the process. “No..it’s nothing..” Silver said, though it was muffled considering his face was buried in Candles embrace, which she returned in response to his own. “Hm, right of course, you came all the way down the hall here, in the middle of the night, for..nothing, dear?” Silver groaned as he sat up; “Okay FINE it’s not nothing…I just wanted to..see..you..” Candle chuckled lightly, which was enough to give Silver even more of a warm feeling inside (than he already had from actually being with her now). “Oh Silver-” Another crackle of thunder. Silver shuddered and huddled even closer to Candle without even noticing; he paused and backed away for a moment, blushing out of sheer embarrassment. “..S-Sor-”  Before he could finish his needless apology though, she quickly but gently hugged him back with a soft look on her face as she looked up at him, still quivering. “I see what it is now…” Candle got up from the bed and took Silver’s hand; subsequently setting his pale white cheeks to a rosy pink shade yet again. He followed her out the door and down to the first floor and into the lobby. 

“Sit down for a moment.” Candle whispered, as she seated him onto the couch, going into the kitchen, and getting Silver a glass of water before sitting down next to him. “Need anything else..?” She switched on the TV which was, to Silver's dismay, playing the weather channel, to which Candle quickly switched to what seemed to be some kind of nature documentary. “I’m..quick alright, my dear..” A beat of silence passed, as Silver took a quick sip of water. “...Thank you..by the way..I know it is rather…late…” Silver, getting comfortable and crossing his legs criss-cross-apple-sauce style on the couch while gently resting his head on Candle’s, considering their height difference, chuckled lightly before yawning. “Oh wow, so you’ve come all this way just to fall asleep again?” Candle snickered as she leaned in towards him, awaiting a response. “Well, it is rather difficult to sleep when the rain outside is practically trying to break in with how hard it’s pounding on my window!” Candle chuckled at this even more, resting her head on his shoulder. “Oh Silver…this week is surely going to be a wild ride for you, hm?” Silver crossed his arms and scoffed at this, but ultimately sighed and chuckled. “I suppose I could..use some new ways to occupy myself…”; remarked Silver. Candle paused to think for a moment. “A new way to occupy yourself huh…” Candle scanned the room for a moment; and again…and yet again. One more time; ding, there it was. She had it. “I have just the plan. That is if you’re willing to strengthen some bonds..?” Silver gave her a very clear look of confusion as the two layed eyes on the console, which belonged to Pickle, on the entertainment stand below the TV. What on earth did she even mean by strengthening bonds..?? “..And that is supposed to mean what exactly, my dear..?”; Silver wondered. “Oh, you’ll see, trust me, it’ll be fun.” Despite the obvious confusion conveyed by Silver, she got up and began to head upstairs. “You stay here, I’ll be quick.” “C-Candle..” She was already up the step before he could raise his voice. “Well..I do suppose she did say she’d be.. quick …” A blanket of silence fell across the room. BOOM; another crackle of thunder. Silver jumped, pulling his legs closer into his chest and he waited eagerly. Speaking of blankets..he really could have used one right now…

(Note from the author AGAIN: thaks for reading all this, if you have thoughts dont be hesitant to lmk really i do wanna know what people think IK THIS IS VERY LONG WINDED AND OFF FOR WHAT I'VE POSTED ON HERE BUT BEAR WITH ME THIS WAS ACTUALLY KINDA FUN..if you want me to post any other chapters here i will anyways..have a good day/night <3 -Atou)

[captainx-camino]

You can't be a anti and be a fan of One Piece when a lot of the "canon" ships are so much worse at times. People forgetting Sanji nearly married a 16 year old and he even started to embrace it. Or Boa Hancock and Luffy like grown ass woman creeping on him like undressing and trying to trick him into being with her constantly. This isnt against Oda btw. Its fiction. But like i don't get how you can police a fandom when the media you are in is worse.

No, you right tho. Especially because canonly 16 and 17 is the coming of age on many of the islands in the story.

Like, people are seriously bitching at me that I'm shipping a "child" with a grown man when the entire story literally revolves around Luffy leaving his home island when he comes of age.

He's considered a whole adult in this universe, on this planet, and in the social context of his home island.

Like, they don't even contextually understand the story in their critique of my ship lmao

And even if it weren't, IT'S FUCKIN FICTION AND THE AGE OF THE CHARACTERS LITERALLY HINGES ON IMAGINATION.

It's exhausting.

[reineyday]

this is gonna be extremely niche but i cant stop thinking about oscar delancey/davey jacobs as a ship (it's the "understanding each other bc they both would do anything for their lil brothers" trope for me) lmao hear me out:

i occasionally see those posts that frame the delancey brothers as the kind of villain characters that are villains bc they're looking out for each other (which i love btw cuz i love complicated contexts); working for wiesel bc their dad is shitty and that's why they were all for beating up the trolley workers etc etc

anyways, so that's the kind of oscar delancey im working with: he's in it bc he's angry at his dad and the world and he's looking out for his brother. btw im using the livesies versions of them! (height difference hehe)

also i've noticed that he's the less aggressive brother? morris is the one that usually gets in the newsies' faces and spouts derogatory language; oscar's the one who stands back more. just works for him in this context.

davey's a new newsie and he catches oscar's eye bc he's cute and is smart (and oscar is not v smart and educated). in newsies 2017 he actually kind of gives davey's back a once over after davey takes his papers lol so you can construe something from there too.

he gets embarrassed for being called out on not counting properly (he was distracted okay)

he's in this position where he knows it's not great to beat on other people but anything is better than getting beat on, and he's doing this so he and his brother can stay out of the house, but he doesnt actually love how morris gets aggressive like that--it's so much like their father.

(morris obviously has issues there too, they just manifest more in the direction of "well this is the lot that's been drawn for my life so why should i be anything else? my father was so shitty, im just gonna turn into him eventually anyways" sort of mentality :( which is a good starting point for one of those mike faist morris fics where he ends up becoming a newsie to support himself differently lol but this is livesies and this hypothetical fic is about oscar anyways)

oscar feels trapped where he is, and he isnt happy, and he's sure there's more to life than beating on other people--especially when they're just kids like him--but he doesnt see a way out that doesnt end in him and morris both getting the worse end of the stick, or separated or something. and he'd never forgive himself if he got separated from morris.

then comes in the cute boy with the tiny brother (and he thinks about how morris used to be smaller than him too), and the cute boy starts a strike to protest their working conditions and he kind of actually... really admires it? but doesnt want to admit it bc theyre on opposite sides and oscar doesnt want to risk the good parts of his life rn, even if they're kinda meagre emotionally--he and his brother have clean clothes and food on the table and their dad's down for the count for a while, ain't no way he's risking that.

so canon happens like it does, and the newsies win, and the delanceys find themselves once more backing up wiesel and helping count the newspapers to give to the newsies for the day and that's where their story really starts, because all the newsies obviously hate him and his brother and oscar hates most of them too but goddamn it he just cant look away from this davey guy

also might be interesting to play with the idea that the delanceys actually live close to where the jacobs live and oscar recognizes him because he always saw davey and les leave for school in the mornings as he was coming back from distributing papes to the newsies

i dont actually know how theyd start seeing eye-to-eye, esp since davey being willing to give oscar even a second of his day seems like a huge hurdle to jump over.

maybe davey's about to get beat up and oscar intervenes against his better judgement, and davey feels obligated to thank him somehow even if oscar doesn't want him to--even thinks it's a bad idea.

maybe after the newsboy strike, the delanceys' prospects get worse bc after the governer steps in, everyone that was after the newsies suddenly gets a bad rap and money starts to dry up, and davey spots oscar giving morris most of his lunch ("c'mon, mo, you're bigger 'an me anyways. ya need ta eat somethin'.") and suddenly davey finds himself empathizing, and very suddenly quite curious about what their deal is anyways. (oh look another opportunity to make morris a newsie)

maybe oscar actually cant read very well and the newsies, most of whom are actually literate enough to read headlines, get news of this and make fun of him every morning about it, and at first it feels vindicating, but then davey starts to feel bad about it.

probably the last straw is when morris actually makes fun of him too (idk maybe morris was able to go to school longer cuz oscar was actually a newsie himself over in queens or brooklyn or something, when he was much younger, when their dad was still mostly decent but their family was poorer)--anyways, morris "teases" in the way siblings do sometimes when they dont realize theyre poking at a tender spot, and that's about it for oscar, and idk if he has meltdown or just quietly implodes, but davey picks up on it and feels bad enough about it that he offers to teach oscar how to read.

which, wouldnt it be interesting if somehow oscar and spot had been friends growing up, maybe sold together as the youngest newsies in brooklyn, but spot never realizes oscar delancey is him cuz he only ever hears about the delancey brothers from race (and jack), and spot only ever knew oscar by his newsie nickname? and his selling buddy moved away a while ago, and he's always been a little concerned cuz in the months before he moved, more and more bruises appeared on his skin, and once spot tried to convince him to run away and stay at the lodging full-time with the rest of the boys, but the kid refused cuz he needed to stay for his kid brother who doesnt know any better... anyways, spot realizing theyre the same guy could be a (sprace) subplot lol.

and then obviously they get to know each other better and davey helps oscar feel not-so-trapped anymore and maybe the newsies end up reluctantly and begrudgingly adopting the delanceys (after a real apology or two or twenty to crutchie, of course, who always got the worst of it from them) and maybe morris comes to realize how much like his father he's become and doesnt want that for himself, and also sees just how misaligned his and oscars goals actually are and idk they all become better and oscar and davey have a relationship that's hard-won but wirth everything

anyways yeah, i do think they'd be an interesting ship lol. oscar/davey!

[zan0tix]

Homestuck is genuinely so fucking blatant about its anti-misogyny did we close our eyes caliborns existence and just see him as Another Funny Little Guy 🤪like eridan who totally arent both stand ins for real boys who weaponise spiteful violent misogynistic rhetoric to hide their own insecurities and result in them commiting hatecrimes because of their misogyny like😭😭 they kill feferi and calliope who they were obsessing over like how real men have done. What. Hussie literally Says That straight up about both of them in their notes btw ctrl + f caliborn its actually interesting the parallels they cite between the two in eridan being a proto caliborn and nepeta being a proto calliope Anyway.

(I made a post abt how the characters all put up facades and how people Still fall for them even though theyre incredibly easy to see past and multiple people said eridan was a big one people misinterpret when ??? Whats to misinterpret. His mask is misogyny, male entitlement, and espousing seadweller supremacy to hide his anxieties about people hating him which just makes them hate him more because he doesnt even truly believe in these things but cant stop using them as shields and further alienating everyone around him Endless loop. So a typical 4chan guy. Cant believe i just spoke that much abt eridan💀)

And i was trying to point out how fishy i find it how quick people are to dismiss jake who is just Canonically disabled and genderqueer idk how else to explain the whole “special in the brain” thing or the feminine masculine gender fuckery literally constantly being called “girly” and wanting to dress more feminine thing happening there either. And how people replace jakes role in dirks life with june(cis guy june) or transmasc roxy where in they just try and fill the shoes of jake but slap a bucket of blue or pink over it and remove the dimension of jakes dichotomy of being what dirk aspires to be but also what he believes to be the wrong kind of man bc of the contradictory nature of Jake (its a total disservice to both june and roxys themes to force them to orbit dirk??😞) ppl tend to actively downplay dirk and jakes relationship and WHAT THE TEXT USES THEM TO SAY. NOT ABOUT SHIPPING WAR BULLSHIT JUST LITERALLT WHAT COMMENTARY ON GENDER HOMESTUCK IS MAKING USING DIRK AND JAKES ROMANCE AND THE SPIN THEY TAKE ON TRADITIONAL NARRATIVE GENDER ROLES BC THEYRE BOTH THE “WRONG” KIND OF GUYS. Hate to break it but the things that happen in homestuck happened for a reason and that reason was to communicate a message. And people can be critical abt how you treat that message🤨

I know its all queer people doing it its not like Malicious most of the time i am glad queer people get to self express At All im always grateful for that but i still feel it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to ljke. Actively downplay and ignore the CONSTANTLY STATED/SHOWN TO BE FEMININE and DISABLED gay guy character whose CANON QUEER ROMANCE is INTEGRAL TO THE FABRIC OF THE STORY?!:’dj ISNT THAT INSANE😭😭😭 because of stupid petty reasons where as you can extend Allll this empathy towards Dirk and make your creations center His relationship to masculinity when HE HAS DONE WORSE THAN JAKE AND IS MORE ANNOYING IDC peoples reasons for disliking jake are always because of intentionally reading him as shallowly as possible. (Often for rlly stupid reasons? Like boo he reminds me of someone or erm hes annoying so i wont engage his text at all But Wow dirk strider😍😍😍) and then they come to talk about the text and its like. Dude. You plugged your ears and went lalalala for some of dirks crucial text bc jake is a big part of his story youre literally missing context rn AND UR PULLING SHIT OUT YOUR ASS

Idgaf about crackshipping. Literally do whatever people have been crackshipping since the dawn of time man i know that much ive been on the internet for so long. But when you start trying to talk about the nuances in homestucks Actual Queer Writing and its themes YOU CANT LEAVE OUT JAKE ? Why are the blonde quirky ones so palatable but you hate the nonconventionally feminine disabled/autistic coded ones (cough calliope here too) could not be any real world biases! Nono all the ways we consume fiction cannot be critiqued!

I dont understand why people Dont Want homestucks queer rep to be deeper. Isnt it cooler if jakes got more going on? It adds so much more dimension to dirk and jake its so cool. How often do you get to see rep this in depth and integral to the identity of a story in any piece of media???? Ever??? With this many queer characters??? Like ih my god? If this was any other fandom wed be scrambling looking for any subtext of dirkjake liking eachother but you come to homestuck and dirkjake have huge blaring signs over their heads “WE ARE GAY AND LOVE EACHOTHER” and subsequently shows you how difficult it is for them to navigate their feelings because of how stories have operated for so long under heteronormativity.LKE WHATSJFND

And it talks about masculinity and dirkjakes feelings in a way that Doesnt push out femininity, it Doesnt actively push jane or roxy away to center a m/m relationship. It doesnt place this Special Emphasis on men and shut out the stories of women in the process as so much media thats a satirisation of masculinity does. Homestuck fanworks surrounding dirk really fall into that but not in an intentional way. Caliborn is infact a parody of people who do that hes the guy who watches american psycho and thinks its awesome and so sigma THATS LITERALLY HIM.

Homestuck does such a good job navigating its portrayals of women vs so much other media its so crazy ill never get over it😭 the presentation style is just So Strong for humanising characters in it being text log based. Okay oops i rambled so much but ugh. I just.. want to talk about this thing to people who in fact read it open minded and engaged with it on that human level, that this work was made by a persons hands to communicate something to other people and we can look into what its attempting to communicate. Not just treat it as some blank slate that has no artistic value or ideas and sucks because theres too many words so i cant look deeper into them brain no likey

I wana talk about homestuck like its a work of Art because it just Is. Same as a film or an alone artwork or a piece of poetry? But its such a fascinating work because it was vast majority all done by One pair of hands not a team. Esp a queer pair of hands too? And its this big?? And its THIS QUEER AND SAPPHIC CENTRIC FOR SOMETHING SO MAINSTREAM? ☹️

I think i should make a video essay guys actually.

Started trying to be more vocal on my side account on twitter (shudders) i bring up how transfemininity oft feels like an afterthought in alot of hs art and i get pqrted like thrice 😭😭😭 id like to have discussions about homestucks transfeminine nature and how much care hussie seemed to inject into the queerness bc its really cool i havent seen media this big be like this!! But twitter is so bad for that. Its like people Dont want its queer rep to go deeper beyond its surface level..?

Somebody always has to go W-what about my personal feelings of discomfort with femininity i love and project onto john sm🥺 any time anyone talks about june egbert. I feel like there might be a constant pattern of highlighting masculine stories over feminine ones totally no real world reason for that ever! all fandom behaviour is totally exempt from criticism bc queer people are doing it so nothing can be critique worthy☝️😇

Scratches my chin. I dunno. Nobodys forcing anyone to make anything just take a little time to empathise with others. Maybe youll get inspired by somebody elses story

[chromes-corner]

Have you done esspresseleine yet? Tbh I think they’re overrated

so true anon

i dont like espresseleine. id even go so far as to say that i kinda hate it. like i get why people like it, they were two early characters that have always been shown together (and lowkey baited by the devs themselves lmao) but i just.... i cant see them with each other in any context. espresso cant stand even the sight of light magic, and he has holier-than-thou complex about literally everything, while madeleine is way too dense and full of himself. they work as friends in comedic situations (what with espresso always being exasperated at the thought of working with madeleine) but nothing more for me tbh.

this all isnt to mention how this community has a terrible tunnel-vision shipping problem where there is next to no content of two characters interacting outside the lens of shipping. there's literally so much espresseleine content that it gets hard to avoid it and i get kinda sick of seeing it sometimes. oversaturation always makes me hate super popular ships in fanbases (which is why i often find myself loving rarepairs so much -- when there's so little content of a pairing, it makes it all the more exciting to see it out in the wild) (tbh this is also kinda happening with wildchip (i actually like that pairing) but guys!!! there's so much about these characters on their own without pairing them together!!! they dont need to be in a relationship with each other to be interesting god dammit!!!!!)

btw if youre an espresseleine enjoyer all the more power to ya! make these bastards kiss as much as you want. fandom is fun because its an open world sandbox and you've got cheats turned on babeyy

[caspersscareschool]

you're so right about the sanemi thing. I notice in a lot of m/m ships the one who is louder or more assertive about his feelings and emotions are always bi and the soft uwu emotionally unavailable one is gay. anyway the uwu soft boy moment set back gay rights

okay thank you I'm glad I'm not just imagining this lol. the fact that ppl will just harrass a real live bi man over this is very telling honestly i think it's awesome that people can manage to be this biphobic over a character that isnt even bi. and btw the popular portrayal of giyuu as innocent + fragile and sanemi as hypersexual + unreasonably aggressive is another layer of shit in the first place because they are autistic and an abuse victim respectively

i honestly feel like Sanemi's whole thing with feeding his body to demons in canon carries some kind of implication that i don't want to say is necessarily a sexual allegory but that connotates a sort of. openness and availability with his body that a lot of people just took and ran with. my issue is that even if the connection between that aspect of his character and his sexuality is subconcious, that really is all bisexuality means to a lot of people: a willing body available for consumption attached to a person with no morals, no loyalty, and no standards. so even if he EXPLICITLY, CANONICALLY has NO interest in women, they don't care about his feelings. the only thing that matters to people is that he's available to sexually provide for anyone no matter what. does that make sense? like even just in a romantic context, he's always the giver, never the recipient.

and the evil bi slut trope is ENORMOUSLY prevalent in this fanmade narrative where the conflict almost always has to do with sanemi being sexually aggressive one minute, then flakey and inconsiderate the next, always insatiable, always disloyal and somehow nothing that happens is ever giyuu's fault because everyone knows giyuu is the most patient loyal considerate soft perfect gay angel obviously who has never done anything to upset or provoke, ever. but anyways. whatever. these are trivial matters and I'm above it all how is everybody doing tonight i love you all

[mekatrio]

this got so long smiless

"this discourse is stupid to begin with" no its not bc its reasonable for ppl to not want to see fancontent between a child and a (perceived) adult

"assuming hobie is an adult is a racist assumption based on the problematic stereotype of adultifying black youth" fair that is an issue but most people ive seen* who say they view hobie as an adult mean they view him in the 18 - 20 yr old range, which is a reasonable assumption considering his maturity in the film (very cool and composed demeanor, looks out after both gwen and miles in a way tht resembles a big brother to some, etc). assuming that hes older than that would be racist but that has been a very uncommon assumption

*(forgive the anecdote but theres isnt a surefire way to measure general public consensus on this topic and this is just what ive observed both irl and online)

also shipping teenagers with age gap between them is its own thing and different people have different comfort levels the same way some ppl even think that 21 yr olds and 25 yr olds is weird. so even if hobie is 17 ppl still might find it weird to ship a say, 15 year old miles with a 17 year old hobie. and this discomfort is valid! who cares! but its a grey zone thats different for everyone and very nuanced between genders and culture and bla bla blabla bla

and also the overall idea that people are problematic for disliking ships w hobie bc its racist/homophobic/etc as if shipping something is a form of activism, and i get there is more nuance to online fandom culture and context is very important but honestly hes been predominantly featured in m/m fancontent which is so normalized and not revolutionary or whatever and there are legit reasons for one to be uncomfy with it (like aforementioned perceived age gap), but on the other hand shipping is (mostly) harmless and there is no hard confirmation on hobie's age and personal interpretations matter so it isnt fucking deranged for some ppl to think hobie is 16/17, the same way its harmless for ppl to assume gwen is trans (which is not canon btw) (and also of course context fucking mattersss headcanons are not inherently harmless but in these two contexts then yes, its just a matter of harmless! personal interpretation)

but also the overall need to ship characters together in the first place is its own thing where like yes its (mostly) harmless but also fandomfication is a whole thing where ppl are unable to engage with a media without breaking it apart like a toy where aspects that are not central to the narrative (like a character's gender and sexuality is a common one) are projected onto. which can be harmless but can also be insidious when it ends up eclipsing over the message of the media itself like theres a nuance to this topic. its harmless until it isnt. it has the potential to be insidious. i wont get so deep into it here but iykyk.

and sexualization of cartoon characters also fit into the culture of fandomfication. kinda. it overlaps. but thats again a whole other can of worm bc its not inherently unnatural to find illustrated characters hot and sometimes they are designed w that intention but also this is a character created for children etc etc etc but honestly if u dont know whether a character is an adult or not dont sexualize them? but some ppl are beyond help so whatever

and lastly just overall illiteracy regarding ppls ability to research like first a quote was taken out of context to prove hobie was an adult (he is not proven to be an adult) and recently ppl are saying bc the japanese artbook refers to him as 男の子 it means hes a teenager like dude the film was not produced in a japanese enviroment translations are NEVER primary sources and translations are not infallible. please.

like this topic is stupid but it isnt. it isnt deep but it is. like theres so much nuance tht people are just being obtuse about. also i hate fandomfication but its also natural except not really bc its kinda a byproduct of social media algorithms but thats an idea to be explored for another day.

hobie age discourse is so stupid... from every angle...

[onewomancitadel]

THANK YOU!!! SOMEONE ELSE WHO THINKS PORTMANTEAUS ARE FINE AND EVEN GOOD!!!!! i dont get the obsession in this fandom with the It Needs To Have A Fancy Schmancy Name!!!! ren/ora, em/ercury, schnee/kos are all super cute it isnt their fault the main girls names are un portmanteau-able for inner-team shipping 😤😤😤 (though i'm going to assume the reason no one mass used arc/fall was because thats also the name of a video game? but you run into the same issue with knight/fall LMAO)

Okay I'm glad we both share this sentiment. I legiterally do not understand... the fussy ship names... talking to somebody outside R/WBY fandom is impossible. My best mate is watching it for the first time and I mention ship names and she's like wtf are you even talking about. Yang's bike?

I would have tolerated white/rose and bumble/bee if the rest of them didn't also follow that pattern. But yeah portmanteaus are supreme in the respect of Tumblr fandom in particular (this is the context I'm really talking about). I saw an Excel spreadsheet somebody made on the R/WBY subreddit years ago which was every possible permutation of a ship in the show, with special names, and I was like... wow okay... that's how it is, that IS pretty dedicated admittedly. I always thought the anti-portmanteau crowd was because of a different shipping ecosystem? Well it's hostile to fandom life.

I shall readily admit that portmanteaus are not a big deal if you're talking about pre-Tumblr fandom and - God forbid - post-Tumblr fandom (and fuck Twitter in particular because that site is fucking useless for interaction - trying to have a conversation or share anything about a ship or character you're interested in - it's impossible. To talk interaction I have much more fun on Tumblr even with the post-December 2018 exodus, compared to Twitter where 'everybody is' I guess when I talk to nobody even with ostensibly more followers and users).

Anyway, this is sort of a fandom issue in the sense of cultivating a space where people can interact (fun, good) and share things they care about (also good) and avoid things they dislike (also necessary) and also cater specifically to me (who is being annoyed by petty things which don't matter). Well, I think it sort of matters in the sense of 'this is one of my major hobbies' lol, and also like, I enjoy interacting with other people who like the ship I like. The way to do that is have a common language.

Btw love the irony of Arcfall already being a video game. sure. fucking sure. We'll stick with Knightfall then. I don't care. It's too late. Thanks for letting me know about that lol.

[divinestrike]

what are your thoughts exactly to how van zieks' racism was handled in dgs? i've seen people still adore him nonetheless of it lol (which is... yikes imo)

OHHHHHHH so so many thoughts but not enough coherent words.... it's so complex because i personally really like him but also. don't like him at all at . anyway im putting this under a read more cuz it just ended up being a looong rant (no spoilers for the plot btw)

1. i'm honestly okay with the fact that racism is incorporated into the game. yes, it's uncomfortable to hear (especially as an east asian woman), but it's an expected consequence of having the games be set in a specific location & time period. and the other option would have been to just pretend that racism DIDNT exist which is obviously worse. i wrote more about this in my ace attorney essay for school LOL but the gist is that it can be very powerful to bring real-world contexts into video games—it SHOULD make you uncomfortable and it SHOULD make you reflect, because media consumption has real-world effects & mediums like video games can be a tool for learning + awareness

2. that being said... i didnt like how van zieks story ended (re: his racism). mainly, i just dont think his backstory actually justifies his racism in any way. and it DEFINITELY doesnt excuse all of the abhorrent things he's said to the main cast... he was spewing racist shit for the entire series, and the "reason" behind it isnt even revealed until the very end—and we're just supposed to. forgive him right away?? even his remarks at the end about knowing ryunosuke had a honourable spirit or something from the moment they met... like ok dumbass. that sure didnt stop you from being racist. he's like "this man pursues the truth. unfortunately i just hate japanese people so much that i have to deny it" and im supposed to feel SYMPATHY for him???????

3. his racist remarks are also never truly addressed by the game. as in we never really see his racism being acknowledged other than a "wow! he sure hates japanese people!" and what i mean by this is that we dont see any emotional impact on the main cast. it's like hehe he hates me and everyone who looks like me but i will make every attempt to befriend him anyways 😍 it just rubs me the wrong way tbh

4. ohhhh my god the fan culture surrounding van zieks.... unfortunately, i was expecting this even as i was in the process of playign the series. a huge part of it is just that he has a cool character design (sexy) so people are willing to overlook the "distasteful" aspects. but it is pretty insane the degree to which some people are willing to overlook his racism to portray him as the "best prosecutor" with impeccable "honour" or whatnot. AND THE AMOUNT OF SHIP ART IVE SEEN OF HIM WITH THE JAPANESE CHARACTERS!!!!!!! it's just baffling. did we even play the same game -_-

finally, relating back to my 1st point of how having racism in the game could be a good tool for awareness.... well it probably wasnt their goal in the first place, but it wasnt achieved anyway. van ziek never truly undergoes any real character development re: his racism. he is never punished/called out for his actions, and worse, we (along with the main cast) are simply expected to forgive him & move on. there are no consequences for his actions—only excuses and vague “he’s changed for the better” in an undeterminable future