#like that is literally my blacklist ship now

[marshalllir]

The conflict is over, we haven't touched each other for a couple of days now and aren't waiting for anything, because obviously there will be no apologies, as well as a post with them, but you decided to get into the conflict, decided not just to jump on the last train, but cling to the last carriage, and for some reason protect another person who is to blame for this conflict. Well, that's your right. But first, learn how to write nicknames correctly. I'll tag the other participants here, which, for some reason, you didn't do. @kr9vorebeazt @dicktat @frankbigfan @liberalcraft

Perhaps from the outside it really might seem that we cancel a person for just a couple of minor comments on tumblr, which from the outside seem "innocent", so especially for you I attach a photo from twitter where she fucked up other creative people and demanded requests from strangers, not even bothering to praise their creativity. I remind you that the conflict began with the fact that the person didn't like that there was a lot of content on Haiden, but no one praises Frank.

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You're comparing characters who haven't seen each other for 15 years, and Aiden grew up apart from Waltz. And you compare Lawan and Frank, who have lived side by side all their lives since Lawan was 8 years old, and Frank was literally her father figure. While Waltz is nobody to Aiden, Waltz isn't even his biological father. Frank literally adopted Lawan. And Waltz, a long time ago, actually "buried" Aiden and forgot about him for 15 years.

Yes, I think there is a difference between ships, and yes, I think that hetero-inc*st and outright pdf are as problematic as possible, especially in the context of the characters. I basically don't care about Aiden/Frank's ship, their relationship can be explained, even with their age difference, it's not problematic, unlike Lawan/Frank, but I just don't like this ship. I can understand ships, I can understand problem ships, I can understand problem ships with an age difference, but I can't understand a person who defends pdf.

The problem is that the person was literally drawing pdf nsfw, but you omit this point and protect only the fact of the age difference because this is something that can be physically protected. Cool. But you forget that the rest of the fandom members write and draw only about adult relationships.

Yes, I didn't want to create that post because I didn't like conflicts since I stopped participating in them because I wanted a peaceful life in a comfortable and safe space. But I will not stand aside when someone attacks my friends.

Have we ever heard of a block button? Yes, I heard it. The fact that I want to flog a person publicly is my personal right. I really don't encourage bullying and didn't send anyone to bully this person. The only thing we wanted was for the person to apologize for her words. And I'll remind you how it all started. We didn't touch this person at all. She climbed up to us, started hitting on us, insulting our interests, and imposing her only correct opinion. It was this person who should have just added us all to the blacklist so as not to interact and not see content that she doesn't like. That's it. That would have been the end of it, and nothing would have happened. We weren't the first to start the conflict. She literally turned the whole fandom against herself instead of just adding us all to the blacklist. Just like you.

Oh yes, thanks for the name "Waltz's Hounds." Now I have not only Waltz's Dogs but also Waltz's Hounds. A group of elite renegades in the lore of the fandom and a group of elite hamsters in the fandom~

Let's get back to the topic. Yes, Aiden and Hakon have an age difference, but Aiden didn't grow up under Hakon's care (and canonically Hakon isn't a father figure for Aiden), especially during the most important period of personality formation and attachment - the teenage period that Lawan spent with Frank as an adopted daughter. With the help of simple calculations, we know that at the time of acquaintance, Aiden is 21-23 years old, Hakon is 40-45. while Lawan, according to Frank, is 8 years old, and he himself, taking into account the military background, cannot be less than 35 years old, besides, at that time he had a wife, Anna, and he wanted to have children with her. At the time of the first meeting, Aiden is of age, and Lawan is still a child. How can it even be compared?

If this whole conflict "is not such a big deal," then why do you keep developing this topic? "I'm not defending, but" - that's exactly what you're doing, you're pouncing on us and protecting this person, omitting what you can't protect. You could have followed your own advice and just banned us all, instead of acting as the devil's advocate on a topic you don't understand.

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Конфликт закончился, мы уже пару дней как друг друга не трогаем и ничего не ждем, потому что очевидно, что извинений не будет, как и поста с ними, но ты решила влезть в конфликт, запрыгнуть не просто в последний поезд, а зацепиться за последний вагон, и зачем-то задэфать другого человека, который виноват в этом конфликте. Что ж, это твое право. Но для начала научись писать никнеймы правильно. Я тэгну тут и других участников, чего ты почему-то не сделала.

Возможно, со стороны действительно могло показаться, что мы отменяем человека всего за пару незначительных комментариев в тамблере, которые со стороны кажутся "невинными", поэтому специально для тебя я прикрепляю фото из твиттера, где она докапывалась до других творческих и требовала у незнакомых людей реквесты с порога, даже не удосужившись похвалить их творчество. Напоминаю, что конфликт начался с того, что персоне не понравилось, что контента по Хэйденам много, а Фрэнка никто не восхваляет.

Ты сравниваешь персонажей, которые не виделить 15 лет, и Эйден взрослел отдельно от Вальца. И сравниваешь Лоан и Фрэнка, которые всю жизнь с 8 лет Лоан жили бок о бок, и Фрэнк буквально являлся ей отцовской фигурой. В то время как Вальц для Эйдена никто, даже не его биологический отец. Фрэнк буквально удочерил Лоан. А Вальц, уже давным давно Эйдена по факту похоронил и забыл о нем на 15 лет.

Да, я считаю, что существует разница между пейрингами, и да, я считаю, что гетеро-инц*ст и откровенное пдф это максимально проблематично, особенно в контексте персонажей. Мне в принципе все равно на пейринг Эйден/Фрэнк, их отношения можно объяснить, даже с их разницей в возрасте, это не проблематично, как Лоан/Фрэнк, но мне просто не нравится этот пейринг. Я могу понять разные пейринги, я могу понять проблемные пейринги, я могу понять проблемные пейринги с разницей в возрасте, но я не могу понять персону, которая дэфает пдф.

Проблема в том, что персона рисовала буквально нсфв пдф, но ты опускаешь этот момент и дэфаешь только факт разницы в возрасте, потому что это то, что физически можно задэфать. Удобно. Но ты забываешь, что у меня и у всех остальных фандомных людей персонажи являются совершеннолетними.

Да, я не хотела создавать тот пост, потому что я не люблю конфликты с тех пор, как перестала в них участвовать, потому что мне хотелось мирной и спокойной жизни в комфортном и безопасном пространстве. Но я не буду оставаться в стороне, когда кто-то нападает на моих друзей и знакомых.

Слышали ли мы когда-нибудь о кноп��е блокировки? Да, слышала. И то, что я хочу человека публично выпороть, это мое личное право. Я действительно не поощряю травлю и не отправляла никого травить и буллить эту персону. Единственное, чего мы хотели, это чтобы человек извинился за свои слова. А я напомню тебе, с чего все началось. Мы вообще эту персону не трогали, это она полезла к нам, начала на нас наезжать, оскорблять наши интересы и навязывать свое единственно правильное мнение. Именно этой персоне стоило просто добавить нас всех в черный список, чтобы не взаимодействовать и не видеть контент, который ей не нравится. Все. На этом бы все закончилось и ничего бы не было. Не мы первые начали конфликт. Она буквально настроила против себя весь фандом вместо того, чтобы просто добавить нас всех в черный список. Также как и ты.

Ах да, спасибо за название "Вальцевы Гончие". Теперь у меня есть не только Вальцевы Псы, но и Вальцевы Гончие. Группа элитных ренегатов в лоре фандома и группа элитных хомячков в фандоме ))

Вернемся к теме. Да, у Эйдена и Хакона есть разница в возрасте, но Эйден не рост под опекой Хакона (и канонно Хакон не является для Эйдена отцовской фигурой), особенно в самый важный период становления личности и установки привязанности - подростковый период, который Лоан провела с Фрэнком как его приемная дочь. С помощью нехитрых вычислений мы знаем, что на момент знакомства Эйдену 21-23 года, Хакону 40-45. в то время как Лоан, со слов Фрэнка 8 лет, а ему самому с учетом военного бэкграунда никак не может быть меньше 35 лет, к тому же на тот момент у него была жена Анна, и с ней он хотел завести детей. На момент первой встречи Эйден совершеннолетний, а Лоан еще совсем ребенок. Как это вообще можно сравнивать?

Если весь этот конфликт не такое уж и большое дело, то зачем ты продолжаешь развивать эту тему? "Я не защищаю, но" - именно это ты и делаешь, ты накидываешься на нас и дэфаешь эту персону, опуская то, что задэфать не можешь. Ты могла последовать своему же совету и просто нас всех забанить, а не выступать адвокатом дьявола в теме, в которой ты не разбираешься.

DISCLAIMER!!: PLEASE DO NOT HARASS, SENDING DEATH THREATS, BULLY, AND ATTACK THE PERSON THAT I CALLED OUT. IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO ALWAYS STAY MATURE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS FANDOM

Hello everyone, well, I can't believe I must make a callout thread about this. I actually don't want to make it because I don't wanna cause any dramas, but I must made this to make everyone in this fandom aware and do the right action for what's happening in this fandom.

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CHRONOLOGY:

So at yesterday, when I opened and scrolled tumblr, I found a post from @marshalllir talking about a DL fan who commented negatively about one of @hostik 's post. And I immediately recognized that person. It's one of my follower that I follow

The post:

Well, Let's talk about this

CLARIFY:

About her commented negatively in some Haiden posts, this is not the first time I see her commented like that, I remembered when she's commented on one of @deadfileinthecabinet 's post(as I remember) about Haiden aswell. I ever told her to stop commenting like that and let people enjoy what they like and if she doesn't like it/hate it, just do not interact with them, especially put a negative comment. As time goes by, I thought she was already changed but after I see this post, I feel so dissapointed. All time I've been putting my faith to her expecting her to change turns out like that? Well, because of this, I think it's my time to expose her NOT so good side.

THE NOT SO GOOD SIDE(TW!: MENTIONS ABOUT P*DOPHILIA/GROOMING):

So, as the name suggests, She's definetly a Frank Marwey big fan. She loves to make and post about Frank, even make her own Monster!Frank AU that I was interested to. Did you know that she has 2 Twitter/X account? One of her account is a NSFW account.

Now, before we talk about the NSFW part, let me say this. She ships Frank x Lawan and Frank x Aiden(I think now she ships her DL oc with Frank now, But I personally know that she still ship these ships)

Problem? Yes, Frank x Lawan has a BIG problem in it. In DL2 canon lore, Lawan met Frank when she was young and views him as her dad figure. Shiping her with Frank is sounds problematic and might be considered as p*dophilia. Their age gap are TOO BIG even they're both are adults plus, Frank is Lawan's father figure and Frank is old enough to be her dad.

How about Frank x Aiden problem? Same, their age gap is TOO BIG to be considered as a couple

But Aiden x Hakon- Their age gap is tolerable, plus their relationship isn't Father and Son alike duo so it's safe.

Ok back to her shipping problem and the ACTUAL problem that I wanted to talk about, not just the problem of her shipping taste, but also she ever made a NSFW art of them. Do I have a problem? Yes, she ever post a NSFW of Frank x Lawan.

Unfortunately, the posts about that I mentioned are deleted. Maybe because there's someone who called her out before I did back then. Yet she still ships them.

"But, it's my AU! It never be canon" I know it's an AU but that doesn't mean you can cover up your problematic stuff that you did easily. Do we can easily believe you after saying that? No right? We are not fools.

MESSAGES TO HER:

I'm sorry if I did bring back your past mistakes to you, but this is the warning that I could do to you even I did the wrong thing. Something has kicking me out to expose your past actions to public again. I'm truly very sorry about it.

But, that doesn't mean I can easily forgiving you. Since this is a warning post to you, All I want to tell is that YOU MUST make an apology post. DO NOT PUT THE BLAME/PLAYING VICTIM TO ANYONE OR ME A.K.A. YOU MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL YOUR ACTIONS EVEN THOSE ARE JUST THE PAST

I'm glad that you finally realized your mistake about you posting NSFW arts of your ship yet you still ship them. I need you to stop what you're doing. If you want to ship Frank with someone, make an OC x Canon ship by yourself, is that hard to do for you? Atleast, it's better than you still shipping the problematic ships and post it online.

Mark my words, if you dislike something, DO NOT INTERACT WITH THE THING THAT YOU DISLIKE EVEN YOU JUST PUT NEGATIVE COMMENTS OF IT AND LET PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY LIKE. The Algorithm will thought you like it and keep giving you more post about something that you don't like

CONCLUSION:

In this case, yes, she's indeed problematic. Yet we must give her a chance to change herself into a better person. I believe that soon she realizes her mistakes and trying her best to change into a better person. We must stay mature of what's happening in this fandom problem.

If you're reading this, I give you a second chance to be a better person. Do it, I'm still have a faith into you so you can be a good person that everyone knows.

I don't blame and mad at you. I'm just giving you and people in the fandom a warning.

May God forgives our sins

CLOSING:

Thank you so much for reading this. And also to those people that I tagged, I'm sorry for the random sudden tag.

I'll see ya soon, have a great day/night

Edit: If I got any mistakes, please you can correct me. Thank you :3

[cosmic-ships]

I wish I could turn off the recommendation blog feature. 5 in a ROW were of Kylo and ugh ....her.

Just stick forks in my eyes please. It would be an improvement.

Nothing like waking up to vent! lol killme

[scattered-winter]

Opinions on Lance x Pidge, aka Plance, aka Pidgance, aka Flirty Robots?

I ofc have no problem with ppl shipping it because 1) its a fandom space and ppl are gonna do what they wanna do which is fine and 2) I have a job. I'm wayyyy past caring what other ppl do in their fandom spaces lmao

but it's not my cup of tea, personally!! I've always read pidge as either aroace or lesbian (or both if I'm feeling funky) and her dynamic with lance has always struck me as more sibling-like (something soo personal about pidge [grieving her older brother and constantly Constantly trying to find him in the middle of a War] and lance [Built In Older Brother] dynamic fr fr)

I've seen some other pidge ships around (like kidge) which again. I don't care what ppl do. but it's not My fav thing so I'll never actively engage in fanart/fiction that has it and I'll also never write it. probably safe to say that I'll feel similarly about Any pidge ship mostly because To Me, her story is about trying to find her family, and she ends up finding two <3 however I will say that flirty robots is an INCREDIBLE ship name. 10/10

[sorikaied]

i love when folks can tell me how much they dislike kairi / the idea of kairi being cared about by the boys (mostly sora but sometimes wow, riku showing care to kairi too?? wild) without outright saying it and it just reminds me that there is a reason i have trust issues with them and what they represent

[minimoll7]

Its becoming increasingly more clear to me that either the Invader Zim fandom doesn’t know or doesn’t care that Zim is canonically an adult because wow. All the ship art with him and Dib is astounding. Is zadf the ship tag? Because I’d like to blacklist that shit lmao

[autumnrory]

it’s so funny to me that ppl think talking shit about a ship makes you an asshole sdkfjks sorry you don’t know how to enjoy being a hater

[diamondcitydarlin]

'time for round two of making teenagers uncomfortable on the internet'

Listen. No one is shipping beetlebabes for the sole purpose of 'making teenagers uncomfortable on the internet'. Unless the adults in question are your parents/guardians, none of them are responsible for the stuff you might see while being 'on the internet'. None of them are responsible for your discomfort from what you might see. None of them are obligated to stop having fun in their own fandom spaces simply because a teenager exists 'on the internet' who doesn't like it (who is also perfectly capable of staying out of places they don't want to see, I PRESUME) no more than adults at a bar are obligated to not drink because there are people under the age who can't (fittingly, most bars in the US don't admit people under the age at all). You know who is responsible? Depending on your age of teenagedom, it's either to some extent your parents/guardians, but also you. Yeah, sweetie, you. I've been on the internet since the late 90's when I was NINE and I'm here to tell you right now that learning how to cultivate your own experience online is an extremely important tool. If you don't learn now how to keep your nose out of things that you don't like, you're going to have a very hard time filled with round-about arguments and constant drama and maybe worse when you could just be having fun with the things you do like and ignoring the stuff you don't. You see, my sweet summer child, feeling 'discomfort' about something benign does not inherently give you the right to shit all over whatever it is that made you uncomfortable or make up insinuations about the consenting adults participating in it. Unless there are people dropping shipping art into your inbox against your will or something (there aren't) it actually is none of your business at all, and doesn't concern you in the least. Like my goodness, you kids have ALL kinds of protections you can use to weed out things you don't want to see that we didn't have back when I was a 'teenager on the internet', blocking, blacklisting, browser extensions that can help with that, etc, and yet somehow we seem to have better understood back then how to mind our own business and stay out of fandom spaces we didn't want to be in. Nowadays all I see are children running into the devil's sacrament uninvited and claiming to be personally affected by said sacrament when all of us are wondering what the fuck they're doing there in the first place when there are clear signs denoting what sacrament this is. You don't have to see the movie, you don't have to see shipping content, you don't have to be 'exposed' to any of this at all; in this day and age, you choose to be, which makes any discomfort you feel as a result of that your own responsibility. The only person making 'teenagers uncomfortable on the internet' in this specific instance are the teens themselves.

And again, a little crash course in history here since the education system probably failed you, but using simply the existence of children as an excuse for why adults can't do consenting adult activities with each other has historically been used as a way to demonize and weaponize violence against marginalized groups. Yall are literally just stealing pages from homophobic/misogynistic/racist/transphobic conservative playbooks. That may not be your ultimate goal in coming after fandom spaces, but it's where that kind of behavior and thinking always ends up in the end. If you think alt-right entities won't harness that sense of youthful moral outrage for their own ends then I have a bridge to sell you.

Anyway, point being, no random adult on the internet or IRL is responsible for you. Random adults on the internet or IRL are not your parents/guardians. They have no obligation to eschew their own interests just because kids are wandering into places where they shouldn't. I honestly worry for any child on the internet who thinks this way, because there are absolutely predators out there that will abuse this sense of 'every adult is responsible for my comfort'. They aren't, and I'm sorry the adults in your life that actually are responsible for you failed you so much as to not teach you otherwise. Unlearn this now before you get hurt, please.

[kazoo-goddess]

So, I've wanted to make a post like this for some time, but I only just got the motivation because of an ask I got recently. I want to give a piece of advice to everyone, in general, to keep in mind when using any social media platform--advice that I wish someone had given me way back when, that I feel is important to pass on:

Not every post you see is for you. Not every post is about you.

This is not meant to be a negative thing, or a put-down! It is not meant to dismiss anyone. It's really what it says on the tin: When you see a post cross your feed, and you disagree with the post or it upsets you because you disagree with the message it has, try and keep in mind that you may not be the target audience for the post. In particular, take this into account for advice and positivity posts--The OP doesn't have anything against you personally when they share words that are meant to be uplifting that you don't agree with. A post that says "Keep going! You can do it, even if you think you can't!" probably isn't meant to put down people who are in a position where they very literally cannot do it or think their way out of their situations. Like this post, it's more likely that the OP is sharing positivity or advice that they themselves would have liked to hear.

Even this post, the one I'm writing now, might not be for you or about you! If you disagree with my viewpoint, that's okay, and there's nothing wrong with that! But I, personally, am writing this post for people who might need to hear it--people like me, who are easily upset or hurt by things they see or hear in passing, whether on the internet or real life. I'm not writing it because I want to spark an argument, I promise.

Posts aren't always meant to spread outside the OP's original circle of followers and friends. But that's a hazard of posting to public social media websites--a joke originally meant to have an audience of 12 people close to you can suddenly explode, getting thousands and thousands of views and reposts and going completely out of the OP's control overnight! It's no one's fault; it's not done maliciously. Sometimes a post or joke just resonates with others. But maybe it doesn't resonate with you--that really is okay! Just try and remember, if it gets under your skin, that it isn't for you. And if it's not for you, it's okay to just ignore it and move on! It can definitely get annoying when it's something you keep seeing over and over from friends and acquaintances reposting it, and I'd never fault anyone for losing their temper over it--but sometimes, just taking a second to remind yourself that you weren't the audience for something can really help calm you down and help you feel better and move on with your day.

While this goes for advice/positivity posts, it also goes for opinion posts! And in this case, to be completely, perfectly clear: I mean harmless opinions. A ship they like that you don't; a tv show they enjoyed that you didn't; a character they really love that you absolutely cannot stand. The kind of opinion you disagree with so much that makes you feel absolutely steaming mad. (Again: This does NOT extend to these things when they go into a genuinely harmful category. No homophobia, no pedophilia, nothing like that. I am talking about harmless, mundane disagreements.)

Maybe you see a post talking positively about a manga that makes you feel ick. The OP more than likely didn't write that post with the hopes that it would reach you specifically just to make you upset! (And if they did, that's rude, and an entirely different can of worms that this post is not about! >_>;) But the post upsets you anyway, even if it wasn't MEANT to. It's understandable, it happens! But the thing is: You don't need to engage with that post if it makes you feel bad! If you have a post blocker, you can block the post or blacklist the tag; if you don't, you may just have to scroll past. It can be so, so, so tempting to try and get in a biting comment in the replies to snap at the OP and tell them, "No, you're wrong, your opinion makes me mad and I don't want to hear it!" Trust me. I know. I get it, because I've been there! But in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it or healthy to burn yourself out over it. It wasn't for you, and it wasn't about you! And you're better off doing what you can to take care of yourself, and preserving your health and happiness where you can.

I feel like I'm writing this with sort of childish language, and it might feel like I'm talking down to others. But really, I think I'm just writing it in a way that a younger me would have understood and taken to heart if she'd seen it. I hope that, if you read this, you can see it that way too! There's a part of me that feels scared that this post in itself could explode with notes that will be very upset with me for my thoughts on this, whatever their reasons may be, but I wouldn't be making it if I weren't prepared for that possibility. If the message I intend to get out can reach even one person who it can help, then I think that's worth writing it for. Because, I want to reiterate it one more time, because it can be so easy to forget it and get yourself furious in a self-destructive way, sometimes you have to remember:

Not every post you see is for you! Not every post is about you!

[evilwickedme]

Losing my mind at the kids reading Bruce/Batman fic

No cause I actually think about this stuff all the time. The Waynes are celebrities!!! Depending on your preference they could be international celebrities or local celebrities, but Bruce and Tim have both been the CEO of an international conglomerate worth billions, Bruce at the very least has to have been on the cover of TIME magazine and had a billion interviews about how-to-be-successful even though, you know, he's the definition of a nepo baby. So between the Waynes and the Batman being two of the most important cultural exports from Gotham, and the fact that WE openly funds Batman, there's gotta be some really good stuff in the celebrity and superhero RPF fandoms, right? It's just sort of obvious that people will start shipping them

So. Who brings it to the Batfam's attention? There are several possible avenues. I personally think it makes the most sense for Tim or Steph to have found it. They're both around 17-19, they went to school and had friends, so yeah, they're on social media. Tim has to have an online presence that's semi professional and so has a secret second account on all websites and apps, but Steph goes full fucking feral on main. I think Tim gets @ - ed a lot by weirdos, including people tagging him in their Tim Drake/YN fanfiction (sidenote do not do this in real life. Please don't do this in real life), but for that reason it might actually be that his blacklist is a mile long. Like he simply cannot see the word fanfiction on his Twitter feed. So Steph is the one that finds the one million BruBats fanfiction. She sees it mentioned and hunts it down. And then she sends it in the batkids GC and shit EXPLODES

Dick is very much like, a person with better things to do than be a weird gremlin online and he's never actually seen a fanfic before. He's heard of it because he gets asked weird things sometimes, but this is effectively his introduction to the world of fic and he's horrified. He steals Damian's phone so he won't see it which just makes Damian all the more curious and determined to read it. It gets physical

Steph and Tim take turns reading it out loud to Cass (Steph does Batman's voice, Tim voices Bruce) who finds the whole thing a little baffling. Neither Brucie nor Batman are particularly similar to her adoptive father and the concept of fic is a little out of her wheelhouse, although Steph does a very good job explaining the basic terms and reasons for its existence to her

Babs knew all along. This wasn't new to her. She's read worse things while doing research for cases

Duke reads the whole thing in one sitting (ish, it's really long). It's actually really good and he leaves some really thoughtful comments on the characterization and slow burn. The author doesn't reply but does cherish those comments forever

Jason wrote it Jason doesn't interact with the GC but babs literally hacked his phone to prevent him from leaving it so he opens it once a week to mark it as read and leave and he happens to open it in the middle of this shit going down and decides to check it out. He accidentally clicks on the relationship tag however and sees things you can't unsee. He literally runs over his phone and vows to go off the grid from now on

[mishkakagehishka]

Okay i was gonna reblog that post about how people on here have latched onto cannibalism (metaphors) bc it's become trendy ie. it's "safe" and not actually much of a taboo (as long as you never go past ironic and metaphorical, i don't have to take out the "wait, you guys don't actually get the urge to eat someone because you love them?" meme) right now. About how they only take "taboos" that have become sanitised and safe and, most of all, an aesthetic.

And i wanted to mention coffin of andy and leyley

Like, to start off, incest is a squick for me. I can't stand it and i have all incest ships for the fandoms i'm in blacklisted bc, personally, it's an ick. But, i found it funny that people played a game with satanic cannibalism at its centre and still cancelled it... but because of the (optional, avoidable, it was literally a route you had to choose yourself) incest between the brother and sister who killed and ate people, including their own parents.

And, honestly, why i don't participate in ship discourse, despite the fact that i find loli/shota and inc.est and so much more gross and disgusting, they're my cousins wwwww i write cannibalism and eroguro i'm literally the prosh.ipper to proper antishippers. You know what i mean? So imo if you're gonna be like "oooo cannibalism is so sexy💞💞" even if you're only talking ab the aesthetic of having blood on your face, you really have no right to talk about other taboos. In my opinion.

Anyway. You guys just like to be edgy but still safe and "morally pure" and that's fine, but try not to think you're better than people who love taboos if you're trying to play to the idea that what you love is also a taboo. Or worse, don't try to act that your edgy interests aren't a taboo just because they've become an aesthetic.

[adamsvanrhijn]

(At the time of writing I intend for this to be my final post on the matter — asks on this topic are welcome if anyone needs to vent, but I do not expect to post them.)

It does make me sad how few people are willing to entertain the idea of canon compliant happy futures for Thomas, Richard, and Guy as Characters, irrespective of shipping.

I remember leaving the movie like "I don't think I'll even feel the need to write fanfic about this" — it was clear to me that there had been a conscious effort among the production team to give fairy tale endings to as many characters as possible, and I was mostly satisfied with that as a conclusion. Some of it was cliche—but the cliche helped clarify authorial intent for me as, this film is meant to be a Downton Abbey happily ever after.

Combined with The Gilded Age, I was confident that JF was trying to explore a broad range of historical gay experiences across his works, and the decisions made in ANE enhanced my interpretation of TGA and vice versa. I don't necessarily care deeply about authorial intent on the whole, but to me, it was just super clear that anything I was personally disappointed by was a good faith artistic decision toward that cliche happy closure element of the film, and it was so special to me that Thomas was finally included in an unambiguously happy Downton Abbey ending.

Given how cliche it was for every character, I assumed anyone who was disappointed like me would also see that.

Then as soon as I woke up the next morning I wrote and published fanfic. Like fewer than 11 hours had passed!! And it was fanfic about Richard Ellis!!! Because I was disappointed, and so I wanted to explore his side of the story Immediately, but I was also so so so excited to reorient my interpretation of him based on new canon and create new fan content, both canon compliant and not—I saw absolutely no reason not to because clearly Thomas was going to be happy without him soon and there were so many possibilities.

Like, oh my God, Thomas's type really was actors all along, and how is Richard, guy who speaks with imagery and does impressions and likes mischief and is clearly in my mind an 1890s theatre kid, now his former lover who is married or about to be, going to react to seeing Thomas in a movie with a movie star he probably knows everything about already????? And I was so eager to play with that, and I also knew I'd probably be writing some crying-with-ice-cream style canon divergent fanfiction so I could get my emotions out about my ship not being canon anymore and people who were disappointed could have what they would perceive as fix it fic, and obviously I had tons of old stuff to finish that just was never going to be compliant, and obviously the new AU potential was through the roof because I had a brand new Guy 😌 who fit in perfectly, and I was pretty confident that at some point I would get around to writing post-canon, canon compliant stuff in a brand new all American playground, too. But baby steps.

And then what actually happened was a bizarre schism where there appeared to be little if any tolerance for still caring about that guy (general noun) while also liking new guy (proper noun), & this lack of tolerance manifested in frankly very shocking and upsetting ways, so instead of even trying to do what I wanted, I blacklisted everything and intentionally stayed out of it until it became personal, at which point it turned into what literally might be the most bad faith fandom experience I have ever had in my life.

We could have had it all, etc!

[cosmic-ships]

Alright, I think anon is going off for a little bit. If you got a (real) issue with me you're gonna have to put on your "big boy pants" so to speak and talk to me like an adult without hiding.

A few things to note:

My blog. I chose how to run it. Multiple people trying to tell me what to do. "Tag this" / "change this" / "add that" / "follow me" / "I follow you. You follow me" <- literally how lol/ "stop making personal posts" / "I thought this was a self ship blog why are you talking about x thing" / "insert anons telling me how to tag my ships" hullo? Pretty sure I can now make a check list titled "anon demands"

Blacklist/filter tags exist. Hell options on tumblr exist for long posts (I tag everything that matters like venting/not self ship/playing video games/writing etc and if a tag doesn't work lemme know!) if you still can't be bothered then just unfollow me if I'm making your experience unpleasant by existing on dash. It's not hard.

Blocking and unfollowing is free if you're incapable of blacklist/unfollowing/using features. You don't need to announce your departure. Just move on if you feel like we aren't vibing yeah might suck if we are close moots but ya know, no hard feelings there are other places to talk to each other if you still wanna connect!

I will not be harassed by people with no faces.

I do not condone s*uicide bait or any type of harm

I do not condone who the fuck ever it is who keeps dogging on my ships.

My job is not to catered specifically for everyone else.

I've sort of had enough of of whoever the hell it is or if there is more than one person. Which is truly unfortunate because a lot of engagement happens when anon is on. Idk if it will be a permanent off or if I will bring it back in the future but it sucks people ruin it for everyone else ya know.

Literally tumblr is about curating your own space it's not up to me to make every single person feel comfortable. Sometimes you gotta do things for yourself.

Sorry if this sounds super bitchy but I'm tired. I have a lot of really shitty things happening irl which a good majority of you know and this is suppose to be my happy little escape place and everyone is doing a great job of stressing me out more (everyone as in the weird demanding anons, not the nice people ilu!)

I just wanna love on my f/os and have a nice time talking with my lovely mutuals and rbing stuff

So yes this is a very long winded "I'm turning anon off" but I wanted to say why I'm doing it.

Don't reblog // keeping option on for queue

[distort-opia]

You're braver than me for mentioning Khoa and Joker parallel in this hellsite that very much hate Joker lol. Im holding myself back from pointing out the same thing everytime i read Khoa story in fear someone gonna attack me. But anyway what do you think are the differences between their relationship (ghostbat & batjokes) since they're quite similar with each other. Cause tbh with you the way many describe ghostbat here feel just like they're describing batjokes instead

Ngl, this is one of the things that both depresses me and pisses me off about the current state of fandom. It sucks to hear you're too afraid of getting attacked over expressing a personal opinion on a literal blogging platform, built for this express purpose... regarding fictional characters and within a fandom, which is supposed to be fun. The block button and the filtering options exist for a reason though; I tag my stuff accurately so that people can blacklist, and I don't mind if people block me (I'm quite liberal with it myself). It's just part of curating your little niche, so I definitely encourage doing the same, Anon. Besides, despite the hellsite having its downsides, I've interacted with very reasonable and fun people as well, who dislike Joker or Batjokes but are fully capable of treating others with maturity and respect.

That being said, I agree that Batjokes and Ghostbat share a lot of similarities. I guess that for some it affords the fascinations of this type of dynamic for Bruce without the baggage Joker's character would unavoidably bring (both within Universe, and within fandom). However, there's definitely some essential differences between Ghostbat and Batjokes. Perhaps the most important consequence of them is that unlike Batjokes, Ghostbat has significantly higher chances of not ending in tragedy.

The thing about Joker is that, despite how seemingly desperate for attention and in love with Batman he canonically is, he also... hates Bruce's guts. And I'm making the distinction between 'Batman' and 'Bruce' because Joker himself makes it. Joker needs Batman on a fundamental level. He perceives his own current identity as having been shaped and defined by Batman, and he sees Bruce, the person underneath the mask, as the source of potential weakness and a threat to the Bat's existence. That's because Joker thinks of his own humanity as useless and weak, having decided to discard it and stomp it out. He then proceeds to try and do the same with Bruce's. This has literally been their main conflict since Death of the Family onwards.

Khoa also takes issue with Bruce being driven by emotion. He also considers it a weakness-- Bruce's need to save people, his vigilantism having revenge at its roots instead of a desire to perfect an art. However, Ghostmaker wasn't a direct result of Bruce's actions (accidental or not), like Joker is. Khoa's identity is much more stable and independent, not irrevocably intertwined with Bruce's Batman to the pathological degree Joker's is; and as a result, he's less extreme about it. Khoa can allow for disagreement without resorting to destroying Bruce's life, whereas Joker (at least of now) cannot allow any compromises, any pause from conflict-- because he needs it. Khoa, however, is able to stop and make peace. He challenges Bruce and his need for control just enough, right up to the point of fully enabling Bruce's darkness and self-destructiveness. Joker never stops. He keeps escalating the trauma, the horrors; a pit of knives Bruce keeps throwing himself into.

In a way, shipping Ghostbat is indulging in a dynamic similar to Batjokes, but one that can have a happier ending. Bruce can be a person with Khoa, whereas Joker would tear vulnerability to shreds. The parallels between Joker War and Ghostmaker's introduction arc are so interesting to me also because they showcase this from the start. The final confrontation with Joker, in Batman (2016) #100, has Joker stab Bruce in the back and then almost cut his face off, talking about how he'd then have "to start from scratch." Joker is tearing everything down to have Bruce rebuild it-- alone. The final confrontation with Khoa also includes him telling Bruce he's not enough, he's weak, he needs to become stronger; it also includes being stabbed in the back, but while in a fair fight that has rules. And then Bruce wakes up to Khoa sowing up the wounds he himself inflicted.

That's the crucial difference between the ships, I would say. Despite their disagreements, Bruce and Khoa are on the same side, and Bruce can expect to survive showing weakness to Khoa. Joker is, paradoxically, on the side of Batman alone and also against Bruce. That's not to say it couldn't be different, and that a happier ending is impossible to imagine for them too-- but it's a lot more complicated. Personally, I enjoy Batjokes so much because of how difficult a relationship would be. It inevitably has to involve Joker allowing himself to be human (since otherwise he would not allow Batman to be) and that's such a heavy and complex deconstruction of trauma that's fascinating to delve into.

Hope this was interesting to read through! There's a lot more stuff to say about the differences between Khoa and Joker as characters and their brand of psychopathy, and how that impacts the dynamic with Bruce, but I'm waiting for Batman Inc. and their interaction there to see where DC takes it. (Please let it be good.)

[littlelamblisette]

god i hate that one of the ships aventurine is popularly in is like. i think literally the most popular in the hsr fandom?? and i hate it. i hate it so much. its gotten to the point where people dont even tag their ship art of them because its so popular that theyre seen as a unit i guess and it drives me INSANE. i now have to blacklist dr ratio as a whole ass character because people see my girlfriend as his and i HATE IT

[haootia]

i mentioned this in the tags of a post the other day but i want to share more of my vintage tumblr memories for those who werent there to experience them (you lucked out)

the block button didnt do anything except hide that blog from your notifications. they could still follow you and interact with all your posts you just wouldnt see it in your activity.

pursuant to that, if someone violated your DNFI (blog rules were called DNFIs before they were called BYFs before they were called DNIs) and you wanted them off your blog the only option was to send them an ask saying "unfollow me" and hope on the honor system they did.

this is probably why callouts were such a massive part of the blogging ecosystem , if someone annoyed you or was mildly problematic the only sure way to get them to stop was to run them off the site completely.

you probably remember that being able to actually disable reblogs on a post is a pretty new feature, before that it was part of the same honor system as DNFIs. in the old days there were roving gangs of troll blogs solely dedicated to finding vent posts tagged "dont reblog" and reblogging them, including copying over text that was in the tags / readmore.

to evade the troll blogs people had to start tagging their posts with increasingly obtuse typing quirks like "d0%t r38l09". speaking of tags,

the habit of adding slashes to the end of trigger tags is because tumblrs search feature and url parsing used to be Even More Dogshit than it is now and if a tag had certain characters in it (hyphens and i believe asterisks also worked) you couldnt browse it on the blog. this was considered good etiquette to show you cared about your followers wellbeing by not letting them doomscroll the trigger tags, and also made it harder for trolls to find triggering pics to spam your inbox with when you had a controversial take on steven universe ship dynamics. sometimes people just added a bunch of random numbers to the end of a tag like "blood 363820" which had the same effect of making it unsearchable but still worked for the blacklist because

blacklisting was a browser extension. you couldnt blacklist on the app for YEARS. old school users remember when xkit was an actual necessity to interact with the site. ancient school users remember tumblr savior.

this post is already too long so lets do a lightning round: having your blog index page automatically redirect to your aesthetic tag. custom cursors with particle effects. everyones blog being an unreadable pastel-on-white 8pt text nightmare. alternatively, everyones blog being a garish red-on-black knife emoji nightmare. follow forevers. i hear promo hour still survives as a relic population in some circles. kin pages with 75 grid icons sorted into literally me / primary / secondary / tertiary with discrete DNFI rules. every personal post being tagged "lms if read". post limit blogs. hunger games simulator and xyzzy and rabb.it and drawpile and skype groupchats. if you remember tanburu honestly you should be getting paid survivors benefits. i could list a bunch of big name callouts that would overtake some of you with a precipitous feeling of dread but i wont because i know some of them are still on this website Right Now. im not even a real Tumblr Old i was 11 years old in 2014 and i know the true elders have secrets i cannot comprehend. its so dark in here. i remember when DMs were new.

[grim-heir]

very long rant about horrible experience in a selfship discord below

Shoutout to the time (very recently) I joined a selfship server that did not advertise themselves as being fictionkin friendly in any way, no problem I thought. I join, mention that I'm fictionkin and wait to be allowed in. Apparently in my adhd "get things done as fast as possible" stupor I failed to notice that homestuck was a blacklisted media, and my display name was a reference. Again, no problem, I've been meaning to change it for a while and its only for f/os (of which no homestuck ones exist for me), so when the owner asked me I was honest in saying I didn't like it (at least not anymore) and I was just a person with a kin from it.

Now this guy was. Uneducated, to the extent they and everyone else in their server were going off the TIKTOK DEFINITION and as I would also soon find out were not very fond of Tumblr users (aka, the only people you should trust if ur uneducated) and asked me a bunch of questions, the obvious "do you like homestuck" and also what fictionkin meant. They then asked me ABOUT EQUIUS, to see if they'd "be comfortable with your (my) kin", like I would be mentioning a 13yr old I don't selfship with in a 16+ selfship server (people don't like that type where I come from, but that's besides the point)

I did not think this at the moment and just answered hoping to get it over with, they do not allow creepy or bigoted f/os which was the point of contention for be being this literal child I do not ship myself with. He is the equivalent of a douche going into a pride game on roblox, seeing a rainbow, going ew, and then immediately leaving

Eventually I was just like "this is what fictionkin is, feel free to not allow me access but this is what it is to me and just because I'm a character doesn't mean I like the media" and they let me in, the owner also added fictionkins to the exception list (which I thought was for f/o medias?? Dunno why that was looking back, I don't even get it for fictives like did you assume they liked their problematic sources, why do they get a pass for liking it I'm confused) and the server FLIPPED THEIR SHIT. Going off the kff meaning and not listening to reason, going "do what you want but EYE think it's a bad idea and I don't like it!" And then bringing up selfshipping being spiritual in some cases too and that's when I just left. Like no argument makes it better.

Spiritual selfshippers don't get a pass? I'm not selfshipping with this character because it's gross, don't like the media and have no reason to bring the kin up. Some selfshippers.... are spiritual or have spiritual ties? WHY DON'T YOU THINK FICTIONKINS ARE VALID THEN also WHY DO YOU THINK MY MAIN F/O IS MY MAIN F/O, GET REAL.

I also saw in a vent channel that they were being overly critical of who people selfshipped with (and again, kin), namely AM from that one thing I won't mention so it doesn't show up in searches for it. Buddy this is a horror selfship server, why are you hating on people for thinking a villain is hot, your bf is probably just like it but without the extinction of the human race in their list of crimes.

Then in another selfship server that is fictionkin friendly (run by one who's super cool too) and has both me and the owner in it, I saw the previous server's owner KINPOSTING AB9UT POKEMON WHEN I SCROLLED UP TO EARLY MESSAGES IN A CHAT, HOW ARE YOU AS A FICTIONKIN BY DEFINITION "UNEDUCATED"

Selfship discord, to phrase it like another selfshipping fictionkin did (thank you crow, you're never going to see this), is like 2020 kincord. And that says enough.