#life got in the way AGAIN *siiiigh*
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sparkliest-bard-bracket · 1 year ago
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After much deliberation I decided that Maglor needs the win more on an emotional level, but I am open to counter arguments.
inCREDIBLE ✨✨✨
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screechingfromthevoid · 3 months ago
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I made myself mad thinking about Dorian and Cyrus again.
Do you think Cyrus knew? Do you think Cyrus knew that Dorian was in love with Orym? Because I don't think so.
I'll back up because there's a reason why this pisses me off.
Dorian and Cyrus were never super close. They'd beat the shit out of each other and then, what? Pretended like it didn't happen? Dorian has no positive things to say about his brother. Not even when he's compelled to help him.
Then Dorian, being the good and loyal brother that he is, helps Cyrus out. (After Cyrus ruins his life) They go on to travel together for months. In close quarters. This is probably the longest they've ever spent together.
And at the end of it Dorian says "I've known him my whole life. He's always been there. Now that he's gone, I can't imagine what he would want me to do."
Which means in all this time. In running for their lives together. They never got closer. They never truly got to know each other. Cyrus spent his entire life not knowing his brother for who he really was.
Part of that is on Dorian for not opening up to his brother. But can you blame him if his brother never made him feel like he could? I've already gone on about how Cyrus doesn't change throughout his time abroad.
So if Cyrus has not changed. He has not learned a lesson. Why in all the realms would Dorian tell his brother about himself? Dorian has been Brontë since the ball episode. Dorian slipped back into that role for the ball and could not come out (AH) until his brother was dead.
Because Cyrus never showed the capacity to accept Dorian for who he was. (Again i don't think it's fully just homophobia.) Dorian has always felt the need to hide who he was from his family. He always made himself small, because it was never about him. It was about Cyrus. The heir. Dorian shrunk himself and compartmentalized and put on an act all his life.
And his brother never noticed. His brother never asked why he felt the need to change his name. His brother never decided that as the older one, he should be the one taking care of Dorian. His brother never did anything to be a fucking leader like he was born to be.
SO it pisses me off that Cyrus didn't know that Dorian loves Orym. Because it pisses me off that they never bonded. They never got close. They never got over the way they grew up. Now he's dead and those things will never happen.
And I blame Cyrus for this because he never made the effort to prove to Dorian that he changed. Or that he cares enough about him to not care. Or made him feel safe enough to confide in him.
They're brothers for fucks sake. They should have more than blood that holds them together. But they don't. Because Dorian has been afraid of being who he is in front of his brother his entire life. And Cyrus was too stupid to fucking notice
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caffeled · 2 years ago
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shaking like a rabid chihuahua in anticipation for the new sao movie bc it's takin things from the top but from the reboot/rewrite of the first novel where side characters get more development & kirito n asuna actually get more time together to get to know each other. for all the eugh that's in the original & that got added in the anime, there is So much good & So much potential in there & i was, alas, hooked on this shit from the 2nd episode of s1 so. im making it everyone else's problem.
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mysteryshoptls · 11 months ago
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SSR Idia Shroud - Platinum Jacket Voice Lines
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When Summoned: It hits so different when the real deal's right in front of me! I can feel my power level rising just by basking in these creators' true art!!
Summon Line: Phone's switched off while in the museum. I don't gotta worry about the daily missions on my mobile games, since I've cleared them all already. 'K, time to get going.
Groooovy!!: Everyone has a weakness or two. Obviously, that includes immortal heroes, too... Heehee.
Home: 100 years, not bad...
Home Idle 1: I can basically draft up designs and blueprints of tech systems using software, but when it comes to actually doing art... Basically, I'm more of a read-only type lurker.
Home Idle 2: That sleepy looking King of Beasts painting kind of reminds me of Leona-shi. Especially how it looks like he could pounce at any moment despite looking like he's not paying any attention.
Home Idle 3: I was surprised that I could buy whatever design of postcards I wanted from the shop. I'm so used to it just being something like 3 random cards in a pack out of a possible 50 or whatever...
Home Idle - Login: Hoards of art made by top-tier artists! Seeing it live is just a whole different sensation! Time'll just fly by here... I wonder if I can see 'em all.
Home Idle - Groovy: Crazy how Silver-shi can just spam the "praise" button over and over again without any charge time needed... I got no defenses on how to deal with this sort of thing.
Home Tap 1: If everything in life could be fixed just by singing Hakuna Matata, then I'd be a bright little extrovert by now...
Home Tap 2: I thought there was some sort of sparkling statue at the entrance to the cafe, but it was just Vil-shi checking out the menu.
Home Tap 3: So, it's true, then, that Ace-shi's got super nimble fingers? Not fair at all that on top of being a smooth-talker, he's also got that kinda dexterity.
Home Tap 4: This fit... It's way to shimmery for a gloomy guy like me... Eh, it works? U-Uh huh... Okay.
Home Tap 5: What do you want? If you want to try to get in the way of my nerd out, you're just asking to get your forehead flicked! And I'll be the one who has to do the flick... I bet you feel bad now, huh?
Home Tap - Groovy: C-Can you help me carry the merch I got from the shop to the storage lockers? Th-Thx... I'll grab you a coffee later.
Duo: [IDIA]: Silver-shi, thx. [SILVER]: Aye, Idia-senpai!
Birthday Login Message: Siiiigh... As expected, I didn't win a greeting from Premo's birthday present campaign. Looks like, as always, I'm just a poor soul that'll only get birthday wishes from my family and my games... EEK!? WHEN DID YOU GET HERE!? Eh, you came to wish me a happy birthday? I-Is that so...? Well, thanks. Wheehee.
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joey-smack · 3 months ago
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review of “the end is not the end” by house of heroes for @ismashedkasso666 !!
the cover made me giggle btw
intro - not rating cause pointless ya know
if - i give this one a 9/10 cause i like it a bunch :P. these lyrics making me ponder things too … ESPECIALLY “if you were mine, i’d have the world” cause like word!
lose control - 7/10. i like it, but it doesn’t particularly stand out. “i have no future and i have no past” i fw that haaard.
leave you now - 8/10. for some reason, my favorite part is the bass LMAO. i also want to comment that this album is mixed very well… everything is the perfect volume and sounds very nice. “i can’t leave you now / i got nowhere to go anyhow” luv it.
dangerous - 10/10. i reaaaally like this one. i can’t even put lyrics here cause i love them all!!!! this one is def going on a playlist of mine. i am thanking you for making me hear this.
in the valley of the dying son - 9/10. at first i thought i wasn’t gonna like it but i reaaally do. i like the little solo part & honestly the whole song. literally just “i’m thinking of you” yes dawg i am always thinking of u 🙏🏼💔
code name : raven - 8.8/10. these cats are cookin! LMAO. this one is pretty good, i like his vocals a bunch. “you’re the only reason i stayed” / “i’m on your side until my body drains of blood” this dude GETS it.
by your side - 100/10. i looove a good sappy/acoustic song. this one is good as freak like i’m feeling it for real !!!!! “just to see your face for a moment, i’d cross the ocean again” uhh yeah most certainly … i feel like this guy just stole all my internal thoughts or smthn >_<. this song hurts, but i love it regardless.
journey into space (pt.1) - 7.5/10. i found it a liiiittle boring … don’t hate me pls 💔. it wasn’t bad, tho. the lyrics are a bit repetitive x_x.
sooner or later - 9/10. i like this one a bunch. “we never had a chance but i’m happy we that we tried” DO YOU WANT ME TO KMS!? guh. this one is super super good.
baby’s a red - 11/10. WHY IS THIS ONE MAKING ME EMOTIONAL????? okay listen i feel music harder than literally anything so like. good lird. i love this song, it’s so sweet T-T. “i will testify that i loved you” / “only that i loved you until death” YOU’RE KILLING ME!
drown - 8.9/10. this one is pretty good. “sacrifice your pride to find a new beginning” very, very true…
faces - 9.2/10. siiiigh… again, he gets me. “i only want what’s bad for me” girlll me too LMAO. i can’t properly convey my thoughts here for some reason, but i quite like this one.
voices - 6.8/10. guhh… i didn’t care much for this one </3. it could’ve been better i think.
field of daggers - 8/10. very pretty ^_^. seems religious in a way? i may be a little stupid and interpreting the lyrics incorrectly, but that’s how it sounds. the outro is very nice.
new moon - 8.5/10. “i feel the aching of an old bruise healing” gguuuuuhhhh!!! lyricism is off-the-charts. i am still taken aback at how well this album sounds, i’m seriously impressed.
ghost - 9.8/10. :-(. this one just hurts zawg… sigh. i think it’s a very fitting closing track for the album. i really like his voice, it’s versatile and fits the lyrics well. “i got my freedom, but it feels like emptiness” / “i wanna fade away driftin’ out your life” good lird. i cant even. do u want to see me cry brotha …
WE HAVE REACHED THE END!!! overall, i think i give it an 8.9/10. i did not expect to like it so much, but i really do ^_^! thank you for showing me this, i WILL kiss u on the mouth 4 this cause it is srs great. i hope my review is sufficient 💘!!!
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bitterrobin · 6 months ago
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1,8,13 for the hate ask game 💃💃
a character everyone gets wrong -- The character I'd say that everyone truly gets wrong is Talia. With the exception of dedicated Talia fans and certain Damian or Bruce fans, pretty much everyone in wider fandom has some kind of negative view on her. If its not about Talia's relationship with Bruce, then its about her relationship with Damian. People will pop up with "Talia's a rapist!" Technically, yes, but that got retconned years ago and the writer admitted their own mistakes. Even then, why are you so adamant that Talia, historically one of few Arab/Asian characters in DC to be at least morally grey and portrayed positively romantically with a main hero, be immediately villainized based on the work of a single author? And then, there are also Damian fans who still swear by "Talia's an abusive mother!" when if her character wasn't so butchered, drawn and quartered by DC writers she would never treat Damian that badly? (Much less have a child raised in the League??) I've noticed some fans will stab at any flaw of the mother and dismiss the flaws of the father - it doesn't just happen w Talia it happens with almost every mother in Batman adjacent fandom. Talia, Janet --and then Bruce's clear flaws are ignored or explained away, Jack's actual present involvement in raising Tim is either dismissed or also turned up to eleven. I should stop here before this gets any longer lmao. There's more succinct and well-read Talia stans out there who carry the same complaints.
8. common fandom opinion everyone is wrong about -- A lot of misconceptions float around the fandom its hard to just choose one. But "Dick sent __ to Arkham!" and "Damian aggressively tries to kill Tim every chance he gets" are the worst contenders. No, SpongeBob, Dick didn't send Tim to Arkham, he was trying to get Tim to see a therapist. No, SpongeBob, Dick didn't sent Jason to Arkham, Jason got arrested by the GCPD and put there by them. No, SpongeBob, Damian doesn't feed Tim rat poison every day and try to slice his head off every hour, Damian's only seriously attacked Tim (in the Reborn 2009-2011 era) twice. Once, in his introduction where Damian was clearly set up as a nothing-character who wouldn't appear again until Morrison decided to project their "child of divorce" arc onto him. Again, the line cutting in Red Robin, when Damian was retaliating for something Tim did against him. Was it justified? No. But people really portray Damian as a child psychopath over these incidents. Some Tim-fan's genuine hatred seeps into their fics and become laughably awful to the point Tim doesn't seem like a sympathetic character anymore. And yes, Tim may be insecure and grieving but guess who also was??? Damian, who also lost his father and doesn't know where he fits into the family. Is it so hard to admit that Tim and Damian were equally bad to each other, and there is no side to take? Is it so hard to admit that Dick was also dealing with serious shit, also lost his father, and he couldn't make the "right decisions" for everyone? I feel like I have to get on a megaphone and yell "EVERYONE WAS GRIEVING AND TERRIBLE! THERE IS NO RIGHT OPINION OR OPTION THAT WOULD SAVE THEM!"
13. worst blorbofication -- *siiiigh* Objectively speaking, every character gets blorbofied, not even my fellow Damian fans are exempt from this. But the absolute worst offenders are of course, Tim and Jason and occasionally, Dick. They do get blorbofied for different reasons and in different ways though, which I'll admit does affect my opinions for each of them and their fans. Tim gets blorbofied to hell and back because its easy. Thats it. The longest running Robin has tons of fodder to explore, and I get it. Tim is easy to warp into whump mode, but that doesn't mean I'll turn a blind eye to how utterly fucked over everyone else has to get in order to get Tim to that state. You can explore Tim's terrible moments in life without making everyone the villain. Jason gets blorbofied in two ways: the struggles of his childhood and the ever-present specter of UTRH. Jason's fodder for whump is basically singular - its his death/resurrection and rarely anything else, maybe his parents if a fan's feeling bad about it. I get it, again, Jason's narrative is interesting to explore. Some fans just delve too deep into justifying all of Jason's feelings and actions and shoving Bruce into the "terrible dad/mourner" machine that I've grown apathetic to it. We get it, Jason's death was terrible and Bruce is terrible for moving on like a normal person would /s. Finally, Dick is a strange case. Ive seen more fans of other characters blorbofy Dick than actual Dick fans. I think this mostly because Dick's sources of trauma have been widely explored and agreed upon, or at least his history is so expansive that the fandom just doesn't get into it (cough the non-comic readers cough). Frankly I don't have major issues with Dick whump, just that it sometimes weirdly centers other character than actually around Dick. Tarantula/the multiple incidents of SA/Bludhaven getting nuked/Dick's subsequent mental breakdown always seems to get explored in terms of "how will these characters react to it?" rather than how does Dick feel about it? It bothers me when fics veer into "and Jason is a good brother/good arbiter of justice because he kills the rapist and everyone is fine with it and everyone clapped" when Dick canonically would just feel even worse about it if that happened. The scenario is set up to justify Jason's philosophy and history, and again, no one cares what Dick would really want. I actually think that's the only instance where Dick gets blorbofied in fics, correct me if i'm wrong, and its at his own detriment. I've read Dick being weirdly wrong or mean to other characters than fics where people are exaggeratedly mean to him.
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sheliesshattered · 5 years ago
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Fic meme
I was tagged by @primarybufferpanel​ -- thank you darling, this was a ton of fun to do!
This got a bit long, so I’ll put the people I’m tagging here at the top:  @claraaoswald​, @ambitious-witch​, @someillplanetreigns​, and @junoinferno​, if you feel like playing!
My AO3, my old non-updating fanfiction.net
Fandoms I’ve made fanworks for: Oh lord. I’m only going to count fanfiction that has actually been posted, but if I tried to count up every fandom that I’d started writing for and left unfinished fragments languishing on various harddrives and googledocs over the years, it’d be at least double this list. I have two pseuds on AO3, with the fics roughly organized by fandoms that I post about on this Tumblr account (sheliesshattered) and fandoms that pre-date my time on Tumblr that I don’t post about very much (glasscannon). Putting all the fandoms together in one alphabetized list:
Black Sails - 5 Doctor Who - 8 Firefly/Serenity - 1 Game of Thrones - 1 The Hobbit - 1 The Hunger Games - 1 Iron Man - 2 Law & Order: Criminal Intent - 1 Mad Max - 2 Once Upon A Time - 1 Poldark - 3 Star Wars - 3 Twilight - 7 The West Wing - 1
Number of fics: 38, including a big unfinished epic that I never moved over from ff.n, and don’t plan to unless I finish it someday.
Fics I spent more time on: I’m not even quite sure how to measure this. I’m a slow writer, and a single story can easily hold my attention for years at a time, or be something I return to when there isn’t a newer fandom temporarily consuming me. I don’t tend to keep track of how many hours I put into a fanfic, though. The unfinished epic I mentioned is probably near the top of that list, and was a huge part of my life from 2009 to 2013. Other contenders would be the All Hands series (written with PBP!), and Truth Universally Acknowledged, particularly if you include all the massive world-building that went into that one. 
But really probably the one I’ve poured the most hours into, between research and writing, is a Doctor Who epic that hasn’t yet seen the light of day, called Home The Long Way ‘Round. Because I have such a habit of starting long stories and then not finishing them, I’m making myself get that one completely done before I post any of it to AO3, so I don’t have anything to show for it yet, but I’ve put a ton of time into it over the last five years or so. Hopefully someday I’ll actually get to share it. :)
Fics I spent less time on: Like I said, I’m a very slow writer, so any time I can turn out a story in a matter of days I’m just absolutely shocked. I wrote The Message over the course of about 24 hours, which is probably the fastest I’ve ever finished anything in my life ever, lol.
Longest fic: The All Hands series is sitting at 126,800 words, and PBP and I have more finished for it that we’re hoping to post soon-ish. The unfinished epic made it to almost 119,000 words before I ran out of steam. Truth Universally Acknowledged racked up about 54,000 words before my co-writer and I took a break from it, and probably triple that in world-building bibles and timelines, etc. On the works-in-progress side of things, Home The Long Way ‘Round is sitting at about 40,000 words currently and only about a third of the way done, and the For As Long As We Get series is at 21,000 words between what I’ve posted and what I’m still working on, and will definitely continue to grow.
Shortest story: 10 Seconds, at 208 words. Also one of the very first fanfics I ever finished and posted online.
Most hits: Truth Universally Acknowledged, by like a factor of 20 vs anything else I have on AO3. It’s the only time I’ve written for the main pairing in an active fandom (tho my purview in the co-writing was more on the secondary pairing), and that translated to a stupidly large number of hits. Fanfiction.net doesn’t count hits the same way, but the unfinished epic is sitting at about 3500 favs.
Most kudos: Setting The Stuns’ls, the first in the All Hands series -- which is SHOCKING considering that’s a tiny rowboat of a fandom, for a non-canon background pairing that has literally about 30 seconds of shared screentime, and the two romantic leads don’t so much as kiss over the course of 94,000 words (longing looks, significant hand-touches, mutual pining, definitely, but kissing, not so much).
Most bookmarks: Truth Universally Acknowledged, by a long shot.
Fic you want to rewrite or expand: I don’t tend to edit a story once it’s been posted, beyond correcting a typo or adding a missed word. Once it’s published, it’s finished and I don’t change it significantly. I do have quite a few (so, so many) unfinished stories that I would love to finish up at some point.
Total words combined: Counting only published fics, including the unfinished epic (and a companion piece for it) that lives only on ff.n, I’m currently at 376,542 words total.
Fav fic you wrote: How can you make me choose between my children like this, honestly?? Siiiigh. I’m with PBP, whatever I’m working on currently is usually my favorite. I’m having a ton of fun with For As Long As We Get, and can’t wait to publish the next part of that, hopefully sometime this month. I’m incredibly proud of All Hands, and that occupied such a specific time in my life that I’ll always think of it fondly. I’m exceptionally happy with the character voices and use of language in both Breathe Again and Upon This Rock Will I Break Myself, Until It Shows Me Your Beloved Face, and tend to feel like they don’t get enough love vs how much I love them. But my one true favorite is and will always be Home The Long Way ‘Round, and hopefully I’ll actually be able to finish it and post it someday.
Share a bit of your WIP or idea if you have anything planned: Again, how can I possibly choose just one?? Even just within the Doctor Who fandom, I currently have more than half a dozen stories actively in progress. But since I’ve talked it up so much without being able to link to it at all, and just declared it my all-time fav, I’m going to break one of my own rules and post the whole first chapter (eek!) of Home The Long Way ‘Round behind a read more:
Chapter 1: Orange Dreams
The sound of the wind is whispering in your head Can you feel it coming back? Through the warmth, through the cold, keep running ‘til we’re there. We're coming home now, we’re coming home now. —Home, Dotan
 The winds shrieked and howled around her. Clara had never been in a tornado, but she imagined it would feel like this to stand in the eye of one. She could see gusts lifting the tops off the sand dunes in shimmering ribbons, gold against the orange sky. The waves of airborne sand dissipated a few feet from her, leaving only a jagged grittiness in the air.
A woman with long blonde hair was yelling at her, her words ripped away by the wind.
“Tell me again!” Clara called back to her. “Tell me how to find home!”
“It’s just physics!” the other woman shouted, taking a step closer; they were nearly the same height. “No information can ever be lost! Start from zero, and run the math! We’ll be waiting on the other end of that equation!”
There was something Clara desperately wanted to tell this woman who looked at her with kindness behind the steel of her eyes, but in that moment, the words wouldn’t come.
“Look!” someone yelled behind Clara, and though she didn’t want to take her eyes off her, she instinctively looked up, following the line of the other person’s arm up into the gathering storm-whipped dusk. There, silhouetted against the last of the light, was the unmistakable blue boxy shape of the Doctor’s TARDIS, spinning quickly as it flew away—
Clara jerked awake, her heart hammering against her ribs, already sitting up and pulling off her sleep mask before she realised what had woken her was the sound of the TARDIS materialising in the sitting room of her flat. She took a moment to catch her breath, trying to hold onto the details of the dream. In the other room, the TARDIS’s familiar wheezing and groaning came to a stop with a soft thud, followed by the squeak of the door.
“Doctor?” Clara called, not bothering to hide the sleep nor the annoyance in her voice.
He poked his head around her bedroom doorframe, grey hair awry and his most innocent expression plastered on — which meant he knew he was waking her and felt at least marginally bad about it. “Hello, Clara. It’s Wednesday,” he said pleasantly, by way of explanation.
“Is it?” she asked, deadpan.
“Technically.”
“You do know that I have to work today, don’t you?”
“Not for another six hours. So come on, up-and-at-‘em, plenty of time to go out and save the universe and still be back in time for your morning coffee. I’ve an adventure that simply won’t keep, so come on!”
His excitement was infectious, as he must have known it would be, but Clara clung to her annoyance a little longer, mostly for show. “You have a time machine: everything can keep,” she replied, but waved him off before he could launch into a lecture on all the ways that statement was false, at least from a temporal physics standpoint. He lectured anyway, hovering outside her bedroom door as she dressed, though Clara expected it was mostly to keep himself from pacing in anticipation. She followed more than half of it, and worried a bit over how often she let him babble on about the minutiae of time travel these days.
By the time the universe had been set to rights — or at least one small blue world, home to a race of sentient seahorses, that had been facing imminent extinction in the form of a rogue exoplanet — she had nearly forgotten her unsettling, vivid dream.
--
Given the recent events on Skaro, Clara was unsurprised when bits of her experiences there began to filter into her dreams. Truthfully, she had expected to dream of it more often than she did, but in the weeks that followed, more nights than not her sleeping mind instead conjured up the strange orange landscape. She revisited that screaming sandstorm so often it became almost comforting, and before long, other dreams joined it. 
Clara was leaned against a railing on a high balcony, overlooking a large city coming alight as dusk crept on, a rusty sunset that stretched the width of the horizon bathing the world in amber. The woman with the serious eyes and long, straight blonde hair stood beside her, in the middle of a conversation, as happened so frequently in dreams.
“Alright, but what about the last stage?” Clara asked, elbows resting next to hers on the railing. “That bit depends on us actively doing something, and you know we can’t rely on my knowledge. I can’t take any of the engineering or navigation with me, so it’ll be down to him.”
“And he loves a good puzzle,” the other woman said confidently, flicking her hair over her shoulder with a twitch of her head. “He’ll want to find us. He’ll figure it out.”
“Before I die of old age? Are you sure? My mother was one of his professors at the Academy, I’ve seen his test scores. I think we need a fail-safe.”
“He did graduate,” she pointed out reasonably.
“He passed his exams with a fifty-one percent on his second attempt! No, we can’t assume he’ll have all the baseline information to even consider such a solution, much less actually accomplish the maths. We have to find some way to hide it with me,” Clara said. “Or in his TARDIS.”
The woman was silent for a long moment, her mouth set in a thoughtful line. On the distant horizon, the sun had finished its slow descent, but below them the city was coming to life, the light not so much fading as changing sources, becoming ever so slightly more golden.
“By that point in the timeline,” the blonde woman said, speaking slowly, still thinking it through, “you’ll have been exposed to his timestream and to the crack in the universe, so some of your memories will probably start leaking through. If we structure the extraction the right way, we might be able to embed a particular thought or moment into your consciousness before you go into the Schism.”
“What’d you have in mind?” Clara asked, turning her head to look at her.
“This conversation?” she suggested, laughing, her broad smile transforming her face. “No, a phrase would be cleaner, I think.”
“‘Run the math, you idiot boy’?” Clara suggested, also giggling.
“Oh yes, that’d go over well! No, if you want him to do something, call him clever. Works every time!” she laughed, leaning her shoulder into Clara’s.
“The horrid thing is that I know the temporal physics for this is part of my mother’s coursework,” Clara groaned. “If he hadn’t slept through so many of her classes, this would be a non-issue!”
“Ah, but a Doctor who was always responsible? What a boring universe that would be!”
Above them, the stars were beginning to come out, though the glare of the city obscured them. Through the haze of the dream, Clara couldn’t find any constellations she recognised. “You don’t have to tell me,” she said. “I was the one who helped him steal that box in the first place.”
“And if he could take half a moment to remember that,” the blonde woman said seriously, “he might realise the role of his TARDIS in all of this, and start to think of the solution that way.”
“‘Run the math, you—”
“Clever.”
“—boy, and remember when you met me’?”
The other woman nodded, considering. “That could do it. Your chronodeterminate conjugation won’t work until you come into contact with at least a little regeneration energy. Assuming you choose regeneration on Trenzalore, it might start kicking in then, in plenty of time for the last stage.”
“Run the math, you clever boy, and remember when you met me,” Clara whispered up to the distant stars, cradling her chin on her arms against the railing.
The woman mimicked her position, the golden light of the city and the silver light of the stars catching in her long pale hair. “It’s just physics,” she murmured back. “Start from zero and run the math. I’ll be waiting at the other end of that equation. We’ll all be waiting.”
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As unsettling as they were, at least the orange-tinged dreams were better than nightmares of Daleks, of being locked in the Dalek casing, unable to convince the Doctor that it was her, it was her, she wasn’t a Dalek, she wasn’t a Dalek! Dreams of the Doctor peering at her down an eyestock, this face or the last, or any of the others buried deep in her subconscious, hearing her but not knowing her, seeing her but not saving her.
Clara grasped for that orange sky, let it carry her away in bronze sandstorms, golden cities slowly coming to life, and starlight caught in tawny hair.
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Monday morning third period found her Year 10 students taking an essay exam while Clara doodled on a scrap piece of paper, trying to pull images and phrases out of the orange haze that had taken up residence in her slumbering hours since Skaro. There were bits that tugged at her memory, like a song she couldn’t quite place but whose tune was intensely familiar.
She’d written Run the math, you clever boy, and remember when you met me across the top of the page, and her eyes strayed to it every few seconds. The phrase had stayed with her after she woke, and had been on the tip of her tongue ever since, as though it was a message she was meant to deliver. Below it she’d rewritten the phrase, but crossed out six words: Run the math, you clever boy, and remember when you met me.
It was too close for comfort to the phrase that had, in retrospect, changed her life, sent her on her current course. The Maitlands’ mnemonic for their wifi password, which she’d said out loud during that first phone conversation with the Doctor, had caught his attention somehow, and it wasn’t until she jumped into his timestream that she understood. It was the last thing she’d said to him before sacrificing herself to save him. Every fragment of her scattered through his timestream had said it to him at some point as well, the words reverberating endlessly up and down his timeline.
Why her dreams would dredge it up now, and in such a strange context, Clara had no idea. They didn’t feel like random images, but more like memory-dreams, like the bits of echo lives that filtered through to her sleeping mind from time to time. It had to mean something.
Half way down the scrap paper she’d written: It’s just physics. Start from zero and run the math. Below this was the very helpful ??? and Clara idly traced over the question marks again. Physics was still a foreign language to her, despite how much the Doctor prattled on about it at times. She could bring this to him, she mused, but what was it, really? Her subconscious doing backflips in the wake of Skaro, that was all. No grand mystery to solve, no universe-altering secret code, just her. She wouldn’t bother the Doctor with this quite yet.
Besides, she was certain she could tease this apart on her own, follow the clues to their logical conclusion without his assistance. The dreams were insistent, and felt familiar, but Clara was sure she’d never dreamed of the blonde woman and the orange sky prior to Skaro. That was the next clue, then, and she jotted it down on her scrap paper. Something had changed after Skaro, something that caused her subconscious mind to dredge up these particular buried memories. 
She needed more information. Dreams about her echo lives were always stronger when she was aboard the TARDIS travelling in the Vortex, sharper and easier to remember. Maybe these orange dreams would be, too. And maybe the TARDIS itself would have some answers for her.
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Of course, she didn’t sleep aboard the TARDIS very often, with her insistence on returning home for a week of Real Life in between their Wednesday trips. But the Doctor was never adverse to her sticking around longer than she’d planned, and in the end it didn’t take much to convince him: 
“I’ve a staff meeting at work that I’m dreading,” Clara told him on that next Wednesday, when they returned to the TARDIS after their latest outing. “So what do you say I have a little kip and then we squeeze in another adventure before you take me back to face my workday?”
She thought for a moment that the Doctor might question the change in their routine, but he seemed thrilled about the idea. When he announced that he had some tinkering with the engines he’d been putting off that should keep him occupied while she slept, Clara made an excuse to linger in the console room — “just going to finish reading this chapter, then off to bed” — until after he’d gone. Once he’d disappeared down the corridor and around a corner, she quietly set aside her book, then slipped out of her armchair and down the stairs towards the console. The rotors hummed overhead, and somehow Clara knew the TARDIS was aware of her, and was curious to see what she would do.
Carefully clearing her thoughts, she made her way over to the telepathic circuits, pushed up her sleeves, and slid her hands into the strange interface. Focus was the key, she knew, and she was nothing if not focused. She closed her eyes and held two very specific thoughts in her mind: the sand-whipped orange sky in her dreams, and the clear question, Where, please?
She hoped the please would help.
It was a long quiet moment with the circuits warmly cradling Clara’s fingers, and then something on the console beeped. Her eyes flew open and she carefully extracted her hands from the telepathic interface before pulling the monitor down to eye level.
Gallifrey the screen read in English, below an image of a startlingly red-orange planet. Immediately prior to the Time Lock.
Clara felt her heart thud painfully against her ribs as she read the brief text again. She’d been dreaming of Gallifrey? She knew she’d had an echo life on Gallifrey, but she remembered that interaction with the Doctor, and it happened indoors. She had never before dreamt of the Gallifreyan sky. Had it been buried somewhere in her subconscious with the rest of her memories of that life? Why surface now?
More confused than ever, she clicked the screen back to the desktop, unreadable Circular Gallifreyan floating idly across the display. Perhaps she should bring this up with the Doctor — it was his home world, after all. But the whole point of this had been to dream while they were in the Vortex, and if she didn’t get a move on, he’d be ready for their next adventure before she’d even managed to fall asleep. She could talk with him about it later. 
And if things worked tonight as she hoped they would, maybe she would even have a bit more information to bring to him when she did.
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“Fire suppressant in Pod Four!” 
The frantic call was quickly overwhelmed by the sound of the requested suppressant dispensing from the ceiling. When it ended, the speaker, dressed in the dark red uniform of a technician, brushed soot and foam off his shirt. 
“It hates me, that one,” he said, nodding at the unassuming gray cylinder in the open pod in front of him. It was devoid of features, even its doors invisible now in the wake of the fire, two meters tall and one meter in diameter, just like all the other patients in the workshop. But somehow it did seem to be glowering at him.
“And it always will, stop wasting your time,” his coworker said flippantly. He was perched in front of a console on the other side of the room, deep in his own repairs. “Just get the Impossible Girl to do it, she’ll have it eating out of her hand by lunchtime.”
Their conversation occurred in the time it took Clara to enter the large oblong workshop and make her way to the far end where the two were working. “I heard that,” she said seriously, earning a guilty-looking jump from the man who had spoken most recently. She continued over to Pod Four and leaned against the outer casing, arms folded over her uniformed chest, one booted ankle crossed over the other. “What did you do now?” she demanded of the first technician.
He looked at her with wide eyes, more out of genuine fear than mock innocence, in her estimation. “I just told it—”
“You what?” she snapped, in a tone she usually reserved for misbehaving students.
He wilted a little but started again “…I told it to—”
“Told it?”
“…to give me access to the logs,” he mumbled, dropping her gaze.
“Told it to give you access to the logs?” she asked, voice harsh. “Well first off, Number Four here prefers male pronouns, respecting that might put you on better footing. And secondly, as with all TARDISes, you’ll get a lot further if you ask rather than tell.”
Behind her, the other tech scoffed. “They’re machines, we shouldn’t have to baby them like that. An access request is an access request.”
Clara turned her head to pin him with an icy glare. “Some days I cannot believe I let you work here,” she told him bluntly. “They aren’t just machines, as you very well know. Yes, there’s hardware we need to be able to work with, but that’s nothing more than a radio, at some level — only instead of radio waves, we’re using oswin waves to talk to pan-dimensional beings so large, they can’t have a physical form in this dimension. Who, with a little extra energy, can take us and an infinite amount of folded space to nearly any point in spacetime. Just think about the massive intelligences that speak to us through each of those machines!
“But more to the point,” she said, turning back to the tech still covered in soot, “you have to understand their viewpoint of the universe, and their understanding of time. A Time Lord telling a TARDIS what to do is akin to creating a fixed point in spacetime. It’s in their nature to want to avoid fixed points. Ask instead, let him find his own way ‘round to it.”
Before the beleaguered technician could reply, there came a polite knocking from the far end of the room, and Clara turned to see a soldier standing in the doorway of the workshop, looking a little out of his depth. “Sorry to interrupt, but I have a message for—” he paused to glance down at the datapad in his hand, “for the Oswin. From the Lady President. Top priority.”
Clara was moving towards him before he’d finished speaking, curious and concerned, her attention focused on the message in his hands. But the dream faded out before she reached him, her mind moving on to something more abstract, more difficult to hold on to.
When she woke in her bed aboard the TARDIS, she stared at the ceiling with fond frustration. “If that was your attempt at help,” she whispered to the ship, “then I do not understand the message.”
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It still wasn’t enough to bring to the Doctor, she decided later that day, watching him spin around the console room in the afterglow of a successful adventure, people saved, the universe bettered. So she was dreaming of Gallifrey, what of it? Many of the details in that last dream matched up with what she remembered of her interaction with the Doctor in that life. And while he occasionally enjoyed comparing memories of all the times her echoes had met him, she’d found he wasn’t especially keen on discussing the one in which she’d helped him steal the TARDIS and leave Gallifrey. Susan continued to be a point of pain for the Doctor, all these centuries later, and Clara understood him well enough to know better than to pick at that particular scab.
Still. That phrase was on a loop in her head: run the math, you clever boy, and remember when you met me. The emphasis on their meeting hadn’t been part of the original phrase, and now she was dreaming of the life in which they’d met face to face for the first time, from the Doctor’s perspective. Clearly they would have to discuss it at some point. 
Eventually, but not yet.
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darkwingsnark · 6 years ago
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I don't remember if I was following you before or after our Crack-Duck phase. I know I read yours and Moonie's WoY fics before that tho. Setting aside the fact that you are my best friend, I follow you for your wonderful and creative art, your amazing ideas and captivating fiction! You've got an awesome sense of humor and you're probably the kindest person I've known in my entire life. you rock, bruh
SIIIIGH.
Yet again you PURPOSEFULLY go out of your way to make me have trouble saying words. It’s not fair, you know. You know I have issues with not getting tongue tied when moments of sentimentality happens. Too genuine, could have used a few more jokes. What am I supposed to do with this? EXPRESS MYSELF? SINCERELY?!!
….
Oh, yes. Actually, that’s very reasonable. I suppose. Hmm. Okay.
Thank you, buddy. As you are well aware, being your friend has been an utter delight. I greatly appreciate being able to dive into fandoms– from the popular to the obscure– and being able to create with you. Of course, I also enjoy the more quieter moments as well. And how much you’ve shown you care. There have been many times where your anger on my behalf has shown me validation for some of the terrible things that have happened to me. And on a very personal note, that has touched me. You’ve, outside of wifey, of course, have been one of the people to help show me that I have worth. As a being, and not someone who is taking up space and resources. That I inherently have value, outside of what I create/can do for others.
So thank you for that, once more. 
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for some reason the sex bothered me in the latest chapter and Im not a person who cares about top/bottom stuff. I guess it felt sorta like Keith was soooo passive. I wanna see him take charge. And I didnt get that feeling from him that he will. But to me thats the central problem of what happened. It wasnt an equal partnership & Lnce felt it. And now hes let Lotor completely take over his life but Keith still cant show up/take the wheel. Siiiigh such a Good story with lots to think about.
Hello and thanks for your comments!!
Yes, I wrote the sex that way for a reason. Keith was passive and submissive because he doens’t feel like he has a right to be loving or doing anything intimate with Lance at all. He’s shouldering the blame for their relationship falling apart and so ‘taking the wheel’ as you called it isn’t an option for him right now. Lance was the one who ended it, who left, and so he has to be the one to take action for now, otherwise it’s just Keith chasing him endlessly, which he’s been doing for a number of chapters now and to no avail. He’s downtrodden and beaten and so yes, passive. He’s very nearly given up. He puts things out there, saying he wants to kiss Lance, but he won’t actually do it. It’s not his place to and he finally recognizes that. 
You’re also right that the balance isn’t equal. It can’t be right now. Their relationship is still in shambles so they can’t even approach a healthy dynamic. But it’s not without hope. Recall that after the afore mentioned scene that inspired your comment, while Keith was making breakfast and thinking about what he was going to say to Lance, he had *plans* to ‘take charge’ when they got back in the bedroom later. He now has more confidence and, in a way, permission to take that action you felt was lacking. The first encounter left them, not on equal, but more equal footing.Fixing this mess is a process. They’re working through it. Undoing one hurt at a time. Again, excellent comment! Thanks for hanging in there with them! :)
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transmandrake · 2 years ago
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Well, went to see avatar 2 yesterday. Had a lot of thoughts on it, that I have almost certainly forgotten.
To sum up, if you liked the first one you'll like the second. It unfortunately and unsurprisingly has similar weakpoints/critiscisms to the first, but, I think plotwise its stronger than the first (which isn't hard to do lol) but simultaneously has bigger weak points (at least 2 aspects that... contribute nothing)
Full spoilers obviously, but uh. Theres not really any huge revelations here. Its the first one again with more layers and also less on account of parts already being done.
The good:
The creatures obviously. Not asss strong as the first but well water-based life has a lot more restrictions tbh. Theres a reason a lot of unrelated fish look the same. The setting felt less alien and I'll be real Subnautica has already, excuse the pun, blown the standard for ocean spec bio out of the water, and wellll look, if its true they made these films ages ago but couldnt release them, thats a shame, it would have felt more innovative in a pre-subnautica world.
The Na'vi felt a lot more fleshed out in this one, a good sense there's a lot more to them than. Uncomfortable Space Native American Metaphor. However a bad point ahead completely dries up a ton of, and a ton of future, development to them as Not Just Space Native American Metaphors. Siiiiigh.
I liked that we got to see, well, more Na'vi who werent avatars! People critiscise their designs for being too human but the sequel makes it WAY more clear that the avatars are essentially *half human* and that the actual Na'vi are considerably more alien looking. This take annoys me so much I am a Na'vi Design Defender this is my Hill to Die On except the feet. God i hate their people feet. And that they dont have the neck holeess whhhyyy???
Stronger plot! Yes it's essentially the same film again in terms of Moral or whatever but its less of a straight course. The beginning was very strong, though I honestly felt it was contrived the reason they leave at all. I think staying in the forest and developing it more would be a better idea plot and setting-wise but its fiiiine. Its been ages maybe moving on was a good choice long term.
The sorta side plots of the kids, the outcast whale, they were good! I liked them! It added a bit more than just Same Movie Again but Water.
The bad:
Its still Avatar. It still has, a lot of questionable choices. Why does the water chief guy have a cape made seemingly of feathers. Have you seen a single feathered animal in avatar. Why not. Dried fish fins. Sea plant fabric. Something that isnt Feathers. You and I know why its feathers. And its a shame. Same as the first movie, it burns inside me there probably were innovative original ideas that got scrapped in favor of making the Na'vi read as. Well. Space Native Americans and now Space.... Maori? Like, the tattoos. :///// C'mooon its a cool idea in concept (whale tattoos. Amazing.) but youre just... taking that.. its just. Siiiigh. I really do hope its true this is actually like, technically a ten year old movie. It doesnt of course *excuse* all that but if you had decades to make another and you didnt listen to a major critiscism of the first that is easily fixable? Unexcusable.
And uh hey why does Jake have dreads. Maybe I didnt notice this in the first in which, okay, that's established if still a Wierd Choice, but uhh. I dont remember any of the navi having dreads, or curls or whatever at all... Their hair is kept around their neural link whip thing... Why'd they. Do that. The new water people had some curls which was cool, I shouldve paid attention to notice if they still had the neural hair braid. Cuz i really hope they just have a tentacle sticking out of their head when the hair isn't there that'd be cool. But yeahh ummm. Giving the White Guy dreads. I'm more of a benefit-of-the-doubt giver you can maybe tell but uhhhhh. I can't really think of a plausible reason for that choice that makes it not look. Bad.
Oh I forgot, the bad point I mentioned. The film translates Na'vi.
*sssssssiiigggghhhh*
Whyyyyyyyyyyy
You made a whole languaaaageee
Theres so much culture you could have addeeeeeddd via the languaaaageee
There is the sea sign language which I hope was a conlang at least. But uugggghhh.
It's just crushing. The whole reason I make conlangs, this movie. And well it's not gonna happen anymore.
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Some of the plot points are useless. Why does the human kid exist. I thought he'd be a cool way to take the plot but uhhhh they do nothing with him! His only contribution was funny backtalk (which the other kids did better) and saving the Colonel. Which. Whhhyyy.
And the dreads again. Why? The colonel's a pasty white guy. Its already wierd for him to have a kid that wasnt mentioned or foreshadowed at all but. Huh???????? What. Why.
Speaking of, I really liked the Colonel as a villain in the first movie for his over the top villainy and generally likeable hateableness. I'd be fine with him being a returning villain... but hes just not as interesting and hes just. Boring this time. And well he's not dead so he's coming back again. Okay. I'd have preferred the exploitative whale hunter guys to have been the main villain here. They weren't developed much at all. Did they even get names???
In general the villains motivations were wierd. He just wants to kill Jake. What happened to unobtainium. The whale guys want the whales eternal life juice, cool. That goes nowhere really in favour of Kill Jake. Why aren't they colonising the forest now they know he's gone. I still don't see how him leaving was a good idea.
Conclusion:
In general I work on a basis of liking things as I know they Could Have Been rather than What They Are. Avatar is one of the best things ever from that point of view and I will defend that point of view, because I like being contrarian and well I want. More things like it to succeed.
But it's not that in reality. It's flawed, but in a way that is fundamentally... fixable. It's not like where I don't like something because at its core it cannot Get Better. But the Avatar in my head's real good.
Again, if the rest of it's creative production went how the music supposedly did... we were robbed.
Here's to a bunch more maybe? Hopefully of continuous improvements but uhh it's Avatar. I would be happy with more of the same which is prolly what its gonna be so yay for me and my low standards?
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shipcestuous · 7 years ago
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(Submission)
My Thundermans asks got a bit out of hand, so I decided to switch to a submission. Less copying and pasting for you, maaaaybe more coherence. No promises. Also, my previous ask was rude and I’m sorry for that. Like, I didn’t even say hi. I should know better than that. Just, to my slight defence, I was still affected by the show ending and some personal stuff. But I’ll make it up right now.
Hiiiiiiii!!! Thundercest anon back here for the final finale. Unbelievable. Well, mostly I can’t believe it’s been almost exactly a year since I binge-watched the entire show right up to the mid-S4 finale and then cursed (and also thanked) all of you guys who turned me onto the show. For a non-canon pairing, that was some A+ content and a fairly decent amount of it, too. Siiiigh. All good things must come to an end, I suppose. Happy watching, by the way!!
So, Looperheroes. I don’t know if it was intentional or not, or, if so, which version was intentional, or if it was just a plot hole that didn’t matter to them as long as they could conveniently advance their plot, but anyway, it is very, very, veeeeery interesting that Phoebe was the only other person besides Max who was conscious of the time loop. At first, you think it’s the Z-Force conducting another test and it makes sense. But when we find out it’s Max who’s created the time loop, with a device he made, and he might even be resetting it every morning to start the loop all over again, one has to wonder how come Phoebe is in the loop about the loop when nobody else is (besides the guy who actually makes it happen). As far as I could tell, there didn’t seem to be any “logical, science-y” reason that could explain it. Like proximity. Unless Phoebe and Max were sleeping in the same bed behind the scenes, and Phoebe had woken up early because she’s Phoebe, and anyway, the point is that Colosso and the rest of the family had logically equal chances of getting pulled into the time loop, but it was only Phoebe who ended up in it. So, any way you look at it, it’s all very… Thundercestuous. Now, I’ve come up with three scenarios so far. 1) “Blame it all on the superhero twins bond.” It’s been a recurring theme throughout the show that superhero twins have special bonds that manifest in multiple ways. So, Max and Phoebe had to stay within a few feet of each other when that meteor was close to Earth, and in the finale, that is “Thunder Games”, we also learn they’re supposed to have a special superpower that they can only activate together. So maybe this bond dragged Phoebe into the time loop. Not as Thundercestuous as the other scenarios but still a very nice thought. 2) Keeping the superhero twins bond, we add to the mix the actual emotional bond between Max and Phoebe. They’ve always had it, no matter what, even when Max was dead set on being a villain, but in S4 it’s developed so much more. They still mess with each other in true Phoebe and Max fashion, but now they are not enemies. On the contrary, they share a common goal and dream and they have to work together to achieve it. And we’ve seen them overcome their antagonism in order to do so. So, both bonds, one of them by nature, the other built by the twins both consciously and not, could have been what pulled Phoebe in the loop. Another factor might have been their mental and emotional states those few days before the final Z-Force announcement. I imagine both could only think about that and were very anxious over it. I mean, Max definitely was, he created the loop out of fear of failure, and it’s in Phoebe’s character to freak out over it. And taking it even further, this was a perfect case of suffering or going through something, and wanting to be around only someone who understands you perfectly, maybe even goes through the exact same thing. It’s all very Thundercestuous in any case. 3) Max chose to pull Phoebe into the loop with him. Just Phoebe. Not even Colosso. In a semi-crack, semi-serious take on this, Max knew that messing with time could have world-ending consequences (he admitted as much) and might have also been uncertain about the level of functionality of his device, so he decided his best bet was to have Phoebe in the know. Who better to brainstorm or share the responsibility of a catastrophe with? (Exhibit A through Z: Max hunching down in a protective position while Phoebe destroyed the looping device and then explaining that messing with time could have had world-ending consequences. Oh, Max.) Anyway, back to the main point of this theory: Max chose, especially if he had to reset the device every day, to spend at least 95 repetitions of the same day with Phoebe. And I say with Phoebe specifically because Max can put two and two together pretty easily. If Phoebe was the only other person conscious of the day repeating but not aware that Max was the one causing it, then she would think it was the Z-Force testing them (which is exactly what she theorized and Max was there conveniently going along with it) or some villain attacking them etc. With Phoebe working off of such an assumption, they would be forced to work together to come up with ways they could break the loop (and pass the test in the case of the Z-Force). And of course, it’s not like anyone would believe them easily or at all about the loop (as was evident when they told Barb, not to mention that Max was trying to deter Phoebe from asking for help). All in all, Max had to know beforehand that he and Phoebe would be spending a whole lot of time together, brainstorming ideas and putting them into effect. And so they did. From partying hard like there’s no tomorrow to saving the world from the smallest perceived evil, they were joined at the hip most of the time. That is a lot of time spent in each other’s company. Seriously, 95 mornings of Phoebe coming down to Max’s lair, of going to school together, of working closely together. They ended up in such a sync, too, even simply in their enjoyment of Bradford’s and Wong’s misfortunes. And one does have to wonder: what things did they try and what would have they tried or been willing to try in order to break free of the time loop? And the Thundercest kicks up a notch or two or a dozen when you keep in mind that Max was behind the whole thing and could have stopped it or even changed the settings at any time. Also, once again proving people over the age of 20 should not be watching teen Nick, can we talk about Max throwing in Phoebe’s face her “kink” about following direct orders? No need to get up. I’ll see myself out.
Thunder Games. Oh, boy. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: actual physical battle between Phoebe and Max is the stuff of legends (and Thundercest dreams). Phoebe and Max have been training together and under the supervision of the same people their whole lives. And in the past… however long S4 takes up in canon, they have been training together to be a team, in sync. To complete each other. Sort of like Jaeger pilots (where’s my AU fic?). So, the choreography is inevitably a thing of beauty. How they attack and deflect and it ends up looking more like an intimate dance, an intimate exchange, than a fight. I’ll say, this battle was a beautiful summation of Max and Phoebe’s relationship. It was their individual characters and mutual feelings summed up and put into the most prominent display.
Phoebe giving up her lifelong dream of becoming an acclaimed superhero so Max would get to live out his own dream of becoming a famous superhero? That’s peak Thundercest, in my opinion, and characterization consistency of a rare kind, because Phoebe loving Max so much that she would make this kind of personal sacrifice for him has been a recurring theme since S1, in spite of lapses in between that were convenient to one plot or another, and who even applies that kind of thoughtful criticism to the Thundermans (besides the very much adult audience that metas the hell out of Thundercest. Anyways).
And I think that Phoebe sacrificing her Z-Force dream for the sake of Max’s Z-Force dream is as consistent a characterization as is Max finishing Phoebe off in that battle. They mutually agreed beforehand that they would essentially give it their all until there was a winner (obviously without killing each other, which however didn’t seem like an undesirable outcome as far as the Z-Force and its commander were concerned… seriously, what even. Another case of misguided and harmful jokes on the writers’ part). So anyway, the point is that Max didn’t do anything wrong, but the twins’ individual choices in that fight made prominent my favorite, I would say, contrasting aspects of their characters: the quality of their individual goodness/their “good” alignment and the quality of love they have for each other.
(Fair warning: I don’t have the right words to clearly express what I mean. But I think you’ll get my point for the most part.)
Phoebe’s love for Max is, in a sense, pure. Of course, I’m not going to dwell on petty rivalries, pranks and the like. No, I’m talking about the love that’s there underneath everything, once you strip away all superficial layers, all antagonistic shenanigans and exchanges. Phoebe doesn’t want Max to be just alive and safe and well. She wants him to be happy. And when it came down to choosing between his happiness and her own, she chose his. You can argue, of course, that the Z-Force is only one thing that could contribute to her happiness in life and also that seeing Max happy would make her happy, as well. But I’m going to circle back to a point I made when we got the episode with the visiting Thunderman grandparents, where the Thunderkids’ grandpa, who until then was all about Phoebe because she wanted to be a hero and Max was the black sheep who wanted to be a villain, was now all about Max, neglecting Phoebe entirely. And Phoebe was hurt and rightly so: we know and we’ve seen her do everything right on her way to becoming a hero. Never skipping school, always a diligent student with straight A’s, forgoing parties and other outings, always following the rules. I’m not going to look into Max’s psyche and talk about the reasons he wanted to be a villain etc. That’s a whole other talk that involves the analysis of Hank and Barb’s parenting, the superhero society and it’s status quo etc. Still, Max did try hard to be a villain, topping it all with the S3 finale that almost got his entire family killed. He was stubborn and reckless and it was his instrumental involvement in his family’s near murder that finally acted as his wake-up call. And then the Thundermans had to face the consequences of being exposed as superheroes, which was also Max’s fault for the most part, and if President Kickbutt hadn’t chosen to leave their powers intact in secret, the consequences would have been: a) Phoebe, Nora, Billy and Chloe stripped of their chances to ever become superheroes, and b) the Thundermans officially and publicly powerless and at the mercy of all their superpowered past nemeses. And yet, even with all that, when Max realizes he doesn’t actually hate his family and he wants them alive, he works to rectify his mistakes but that isn’t the same as him setting out from the start to perform some heroic act, but all is still forgiven, he earns a superhero cape and then chooses to compete for the Z-Force. Now, with the lives Phoebe and Max have led, if Phoebe objected to Max getting a cape or was annoyed at everything being forgiven so easily etc, wouldn’t she have been in the right? But she doesn’t object and she cheers him on and teams up with him, essentially sharing her Z-Force dream with him. And I’m not saying Max should be constantly punished for his past or deprived of his chances to be as great a superhero as Phoebe (or any other superhero that has always walked the “righteous” path), but Phoebe has fought and made sacrifices for that Z-Force spot her whole life while Max had been working up until the S3 finale to be, one could argue, at the top of the Z-Force’s Most Wanted list. Anyway, even I’ve lost my train of thought. The point is, with all this in mind, Phoebe letting Max win is a huge sacrifice on her part and speaks volumes of the amount of her love for him and the quality of that love.
Max, on the other hand, has always had this extra touch of “darkness” -for lack of a better word- when compared to Phoebe, which is what differentiates the type of good he is from the type of good Phoebe is, and which is what led him to finish Phoebe off while her “good” alignment and “purer” love led her to fake defeat for his sake. Max loves Phoebe, possibly just as much as she does. (I can’t make up my mind on this issue.) But I think Max may never shed some other key parts of his feelings and his love towards Phoebe: his obsession and dependency on her. Max has always behaved and acted in a way that put Phoebe at the epicenter of his activities, made her the focus of his energy, even his target at times. And he probably doesn’t realize it, at all or mostly. I’ve said before that Max wants to be the center of Phoebe’s attention, he wants to monopolize her interest and her actions and her energy. I am personally certain that had he become a master villain, he’d have wanted and chosen no one else as his archenemy but Phoebe. And we’ve also seen him be aware of the kind of love Phoebe has for him, of its quality and quantity, and he took advantage of it again and again, until the S3 finale where he saw Phoebe react to his actions, his villainous shenanigans, in a way she never has before. Right then, Max realized with terror for the first time in his life that even Phoebe and her love for him have limits and he had been pushing her towards her breaking point for a long time now. And now, dealing the final blow and winning the Z-Force battle, I think he was still partly satisfying his need to be the prominent figure in Phoebe’s life, unforgettable, the leave-a-mark kind (which is what would have happened), while he was also beating her fair and square, winning a years-long competition that he never managed to put behind him (unlike Phoebe, who proved that she did by letting Max win). Frankly, I’m not so sure Max would have taken it so well if he’d lost to Phoebe. This is where the contrast between the quality of his goodness and that of Phoebe’s comes into play. I know for certain that had Phoebe truly lost, she would have still been good, heroic. She might have gone through some depressive phases but she’d eventually go on performing superheroic acts, just like tons of superheroes who weren’t and aren’t part of the Z-Force. But Max needs to be the best, needs the recognition (again, parenting etc are factors here). The Z-Force has been a big driving force in his heroics, and his leap over to the side of the heroes is still very recent. He’s still too volatile. Winning that official fight against Phoebe and choosing himself later on to quit the Z-Force in order to save his family were essential, I believe, in his tame reaction to losing his Z-Force spot. It matters a lot for his mental and emotional health that he won the spot and chose of his own volition to give it up. It makes all the difference in the world. Max loves Phoebe but he also has some deep-rooted issues and he needs to officially be better than her. Going forward, he would know Phoebe might feel some resentment and misery that she didn’t get to be on the Force, but she would hide it, and he would gladly pretend, and it wouldn’t taste unpleasantly to be the big Z-Force superhero and teaming up with his regular superhero twin when she needs him. In the end, what I’m saying is Max clearly hesitated to deal the death blow, but he still did, while Phoebe thought of his happiness and sacrificed her own.
Siiiiigh. I don’t know. I’ve put my Thundercest goggles on and I’m dissecting a teen show on Nickelodeon. What am I even doing? Truth be told, though, I don’t know if it was intentional or not on the writers’ part, and it probably wasn’t, let’s be real, but Phoebe and Max are written so much like an archetypical pairing of incestuous heterosexual siblings that you just go there straight away if you’re so inclined. Phoebe’s morality, Max’s moral ambiguity, the rivalry and the tension, the times he’s managed to make her stray even in a tiny, insubstantial (in the grand scheme of things) way, the times he’s pushed and pulled and stretched thin all her good will and love for him, his need to be better than her, but on one condition: Phoebe has to be second best. Because I think that’s how Max’s obsession with Phoebe manifests: he wants to be the best on a global scale, hero or villain, and he needs, he wants Phoebe to be second best, to be able to keep him on his toes but, in the end, individual battles aside, he always ends up having the upper hand in the war. Again, hero or villain, whether the war is them two against each other or together against the bad guys of the world.
Okay, the goggles are coming off because this got waaaay out of hand. I’ve gone from reading into things to reaching and someone needs to take the idea of a grown-up Thundermans show and run with it. No need for anything canon, we take care of that ourselves juuuust fiiiiine.
Oh, I forgot about the special twin power. I probably have more to say about this but I’m still very deep in the Z-Force fight thing. It’s left a mark. But holding hands and creating that kind of a bang? Incestuous pairing or not, that gets a shipper’s heart beating wildly. Also, I haven’t watched any Gifted, but from all the gifsets I’ve seen on this very blog, the way Max and Phoebe’s superhero twins power is activated and the explosiveness of it seems reminiscent of the twins (or just siblings?) on that show. And then, Phoebe and Max as heads of the T-Force? The through-the-roof cheesiness and ridiculousness factors aside (that commander needed to be gone ASAP but Max and Phoebe as the successors? Come on), the twins heading the Force conjures up all kinds of Thundercestuous images and I’m so down for it.
Well. Thank you for reading this monstrosity and for turning me onto the Thundermans. I don’t regret it for a second. Thundercest is dream incest and I’m glad I joined the rest of you guys on this ship. And I hope my mistakes aren’t that many. This was so huge. About 37 asks huge, to be precise. I’m so so sorry??? And I can’t wait to hear your own thoughts and meta and anybody else’s who wants to contribute. How on Earth did this ship come to matter so much to me? Okay, I’m done.
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First of all, let me apologize for taking so long to answer this, Anon! I have just not been able to find the time/energy the past couple of weeks to make any significant progress on clearing out my inbox. And of course The Thundermans 5-episode finale blowout is a big deal and you sent in a lot of thoughts (BUT  AM SO GLAD - and also glad you did a submission instead of 37 asks haha) so I couldn’t just sit down when I had 10 minutes and do it. But I really do feel bad because I know you and others were excited to talk about it and I just always let everybody down when it comes to time-sensitive things. Every day I was thinking I would answer asks after I got home from work, but then I was just too tired. So, enough excuses, on to the good stuff!
I’m so glad you joined us on The Thundermans ride. It has been a pleasure discussing the show with you and especially just reading your insights and thoughts! Max and Phoebe really is dream incest. I’m still over the moon that the show ended with the two of them single and teammates like that. Unlike some other shows which drift more and more towards canon love interests, The Thundermans never did. 
Oh Looperheroes. What a gift! When we learn that MAX is the one who has been making the day repeat over and over again, which means spending all day every day with Phoebe, and Phoebe being the only one in on the secret (well, part of the secret)…the thundercest is real. It took me back to season 1, to that episode when they spent the day at school alone having snowball fights or whatever. (Haha, I can’t even remember why anymore.) It was like Max wanted three months of days like that. Regardless of why Phoebe was in the time loop with him, the fact is that they spent that time together and he could have stopped it at any point but never did. 
It’s wonderfully impressive that any explanation for why Phoebe is in the time loop with him is hella shippy, but I do very much like your theory that he has pulled Phoebe into the time loop with him. Maybe he really is thinking more and more like the two of them are a team, and he wants his teammate there with him in case something goes wrong. And also just to be with him!
I think your character analysis is spot-on. Max loves Phoebe in a way that manifests itself differently from the way she loves him. She doesn’t hesitate to self-sacrifice for his happiness, whereas Max can not entirely rise above his competitive feelings towards her or his own selfishness. But we see how much she means to him again and again, and there is what you mentioned - that obsession with her, almost, and that desire to put her at the center, and for her to come in second only to him. I really think it’s best described the idea that if he had become a super villain, that she would have been his nemesis, and he wouldn’t have had it any other way. That he probably became a super villain just for that. 
But let’s just take a moment to appreciate how much Phoebe Thunderman loves her twin brother. Because damn. After everything he has put her through, and she lost the Z Force challenge on purpose for his sake. *slow clap*
I am so thrilled that they gave us this last-minute twin power. It was exactly like Andy and Lauren on The Gifted - twins, who hold hands, and then basically the same thing happens too - white light and an explosion of some kind. Of course on The Gifted it gets all windy and turns slow-mo and is ridiculously romantic but this is Nickelodeon after all. It’s a comedy not a drama. This officially means that Phoebe and Max will always be strongest together - but we already saw that in the episode when they figured out that only together they could make each other fly. 
I am so pleased by this show in general and particularly by those final 5 episodes. Both The Thundermans and The Middle knocked their finales out of the park. 
I’m honestly on overload. Thank you, The Thundermans, for this incest playground. And than you, Thundercest Anon!
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wolfwhiteflowers · 7 years ago
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-why i didn’t quit before / team family /s9-caryl
-big twd filming spoilers, 9x05?
-carick
-au
My thoughts so far.  vvv
I noticed some fans quit TWD early on like in s6 and they mentioned the flaws. They have good points and all. I wondered why I kept watching TWD. I think because it’s just one of the cool shows to watch on Sundays, and just loving the TF. I also think if I’m more critical of the show, I would probably quit the show around s3 or s6 too. Idk if it’s comic story way that made people lose interest or it’s the writing. Like a lot people miss the team family being really close and trying to survive..or on the road and not staying in one place. These comments are like what the comic-fans say too about the comics. So idk. Like it’s just how TWD story goes. Building up to a new world ..arc. (like Falling Skies show?) So, my point is that I didn’t quit back then because I just like the show and I was also was like hoping the show could turn around. I liked s6B. I find it interesting that Carol went to Kingdom and dealing with her issues. Richonne happend and Negan was introduced. (big character in comics) I was curious how it will go and I was curious what Carl will do. I know s7 and s8, the fandom didn’t like those seasons-AOW arc. I kinda don’t like it either. It was so dragged out and less TF. But I still like the show. I still feel hopeful that it will go better.
 When Carl died (and he wasn’t like comic-Carl-y, imo like I hoped for) that was hard, but I was like okay so then it’s Rick’s show and I guess Michonne will live longer. AOW ended in s8. S8B was entertaining to me, imo. But I hated the finale and what they did with Carol. The finale should have been like or even better than the s2 finale and tease us the f*** with what will happen and excite us. (remember Michonne first appearance and prison. s3 also had a time jump) Then we got a new showrunner and news about LC and with the finale being so blah & hard to predict, I was like uhh it’s 50/50 chance of the show being better than before. Maybe more Team Family moments? I was still hopeful. We got those spoiler pics of TWD cast like they’re in a parade and them going to the “museum.” I got so excited again and hopeful but a bit conscious about it because Idk what s9 was. Then suddenly we got the AL news of him leaving ( and then LC). I just felt crushed. We lost Carl and now we’re losing Rick, the two big protagonists of the show. That’s just quick and weird. Also totally seems pointless for the show to keep going,imo. (but hey at least Rick got like 2 years of bliss/timejump). I know he wanted to leave some day (duh actors arnt robots)  but I wasn’t expecting how it goes like that and it’s just not what I want. I wanted this popular show to end where they wanted it to end. Like Lost, Scandal, Fringe, GoT, etc. But no...show business..life happens or whatever, AMC wants more money. So yeah I lost hope on the show - I quit with this show. So this is why I kept going till s9, I guess. It’s whatever whenever is enough for you. Now I look back on it, it’s really around s5-6 when we feel like TWD is Team Family like and good or fun to watch. There’s some things I liked about TWD that other shows don’t have. Like this slow pace..that feels realistic sometimes, the music, and cast. But seeing other shows, I’m like wow ..we know who are the main characters are and they interact a lot throughout the series. It’s sad. I miss TF.
So yeah I just take s9 as an AU story where Rick dies. -_- I hope Caryl goes canon but well the show is like done to me. So Idk. I would watch or care..if Caryl goes canon and everything else is interesting and TF being close again. Like it’s gonna be Carol and Daryl ..Michonne? and rest are Negan, Aaron, Rosita, Eugene and Tara. meh. It’s hard what do with this. In time I know. So far, s9 just sucks. C/E is gonna be or is canon. I just like siiiigh. I wish Carol isn’t with anyone in s9. I want to know who is Carol in the future and have her with TF again. But it’s not that. Carol with Zeke for some reason. Idk  why tease Caryl in s8 and not make C/E canon in s8???? Maybe Carol is just to prop Zeke story and comic death in s9??? That’s another thing. There’s this original TWD show story and characters’ arcs and comic book remixes. I think what we want is balance of those two. But lately s7 and on it’s all super plot-y or super comic book-plot-y. So maybe Zeke dies and then Carol helps Daryl to start the Whisperer war and then ..then what? Will we actually get more TF moments? If Caryl does become canon, will their romance be well written and interesting? (Shipping a non-canon ship to a canon ship changes the shipdom/fandom. People lose interest.)
---filming spoilers and spec in s9
So ep 5 or so, s9 filming spoilers, it’s obvious Rick dies. So right there the show isn’t gonna do a cool happy ending for Rick and the Grimes. No Grimes family off to a boat or Commonwealth. Now, I know. :( Poor Michonne. (writers totally screwed up her character-journey)
 Based on spoilers, there’s a white horse (symbolism), that script paper.., Shane appearances. So yeah there’s some over the top death scene happening. Idc in some ways, because this is all AU to me. (twdspoilers4theprivileged tumblr) Based from the script paper spoiler/rumor, I noticed that Carol is there..actually the main five characters are there. It’s nice ..but once again it’s when something major happens. It seems like Rick takes the other parts of comic-Andrea’s death. He dies by trying to kill all the walkers in the herd ...to save his people(?) like Andrea did. It also seem traumatic too, our main characters are watching it as it goes. Like damn ..who wanna see that  super sad and depressing death of a character in this ep. Like sure ..Rick deserve this kind of death scene and how important and special he is. But ...it’s not a series finale and writers will forget about this in a couple episodes later with Daryl dealing with Negan and Whisperers, I guess. *Also I guess Zeke wasn’t there..and others. So it’s like Zeke isn’t or still not important in the show. So ..maybe he will die from Alpha in msf or finale in s9. I just think if Zeke will be a main character, then he gotta hang out with Daryl  and others,a lot. (so far he’s in ep1. so far Carol in ep 1 and 5..) Idk what Maggie will do / LC’s 6 episodes. There’s some play with time. Maybe Maggie dies in msf?
Yeah Carol so far is in ep 1 and 5. I don’t think she interacts with Rick in s9. I find it important for her to interact with him. It tells me writers remember their bond, care about the character Carol, and what they do with TF. So far, it’s seems like they don’t. This is the part that really upsets me..it’s something also that I was really hoping for in s9 and something to see if it will happen-then the rest s9 will go fine. I love Carick so ..yeah I don’t think there’s good Carick moments in s9 and I think Carol will only react about Rick’s death. Writers ..again don’t care or too lazy to deal with TF moments and Carol and her bonds with other characters. So, it’s like if writers can’t do Carick scenes so then s9/new showrunner doesn’t matter to me anymore. It’s over. Those Carick hopes or Carol hopes were all before AL news, btw. That s8 finale made me doubt.
I might accept TWD s9 and Rick’s death, if like the first 6 episodes or so was treated like a series finale and it was something writers/Gimple have in mind for a long time and that they wanted Rick to die in ‘series finale’. And then the rest be like a spin-off and plus being more character-y..good writing. But  eh. We still see characters dealing with his death and other plots going on. It just won’t work, I guess. But right now, I’m like it’s all AU, idc. TF are close and Grimes family lives on.
So, now that im like ‘whatever’ with the show or try to.., i wanna point out the flaws more lately. But it’s stuff we already know. It’s really crazy to watch TWD s8 and then watch the recent season (s5) of The 100 and how much The 100 flows better, character’s arcs goes naturally well or balanced. It’s not too (comic)plotty. And ofc, there’s girls power, and character interactions. Mains still interact. That stuff that I like and interested in.  I know they’re different shows. I think TWD is probably more like Falling Skies with how the story goes but it’s not really charactery..in story right now.
...Let’s do AU fanarts.
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fredgolds · 7 years ago
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“potentially the most important bit of the globe’s much ado that i…”
tell me more pls i live for the pop up globe and everything related to it
!!!!! this production is the entire reason i’m alive thank u for letting me gush (also i’m moving back down to melbourne again soon and i am v hype about the pop up globe Look Out)
look at these production photos. i want to glue them directly onto my eyeballs 
it was set during the mexican revolution which the director said was mostly an aesthetic choice but idk i thought it was really present?? there’s a little prologue at the beginning entirely in spanish of everyone huddled on top of each other on the train, drinking and singing and bickering over the campfire, and then a MAN WITH A WOUNDED LEG GETS CARRIED SCREAMING THROUGH THE AUDIENCE ON A STRETCHER etc etc. the cast was almost entirely poc and at the end they sang a revolution anthem and the stage was lit up in the colours of the mexican flag
but ya the aesthetic was gr8. traditional dance and dress, a lot of the singing was in spanish and the music was performed by a lil mariachi band on top of the train carriage set. the whole thing was just really energetic and colourful and joyous
like ‘sigh not so’ starts out really weepy and traditional and then balthazar and claudio break into this really upbeat dance number, i’m pretty sure someone does a cartwheel at some point, and then they just. go right back to it. ‘siiiigh not soooo’
don john was donna juana!! which i thought was interesting bc there’s a lot more to be said about a bitter woman knowingly inflicting that kind of ruination on another woman than a bitter man just out here for shits and gigs, but we didn’t really get to go into it that much. hearing the ‘let me be that i am’ speech from a woman really had me feelin some kind of way tho
also antonio was antonia and she was a huge lesbian with her gf ursula
this really isn’t relevant to anything but don pedro had the biggest, toothiest grin that he was constantly flashing around the stage and it’s so vivid in my mind it is Vital that you know this information
benedick is shooting cans off the top of the train when claudio is telling him how much he loves hero only one of the cans fell forward onto the stage and distracted claudio so he just paused mid-speech like ‘hey nice one’ ‘yeah’
later margaret has a go and misses every shot (‘BOLLOCKS,’ she says, in the most cockney accent ever) and then hero takes the gun from her and hits every one
they never show pedro and claudio at hero’s window the night before the wedding; you go into intermission with hero singing ‘desperate kingdom of love’ (which they kind of used as hero’s theme) which was honestly just as devastating bc she’s so young and sweet and u just Know she’s about to get rekt. that being said she was absolutely seething with heartbreak and rage after the wedding which was refreshing
dogberry and verges. oh my god. dogberry was a clueless white american filmmaker and ‘speaking spanish’ was just him using a dreadful cockney accent that a very weary verges had to keep correcting whilst the rest of the cast just looked at each other in dismay. sometimes i get very tired very quickly of shakespeare’s fool shenanigans but this was just a really fun and creative way to do it that worked with the context of the setting i loved it
uh rip but ben/bea are truly my fav characters/fav couple…. Ever so like. here’s a whole separate bit for them bc i struggle to describe the ~~Vibe~~ in a way that does them justice but uhh. they were very very good
benedick was so?? funny??? he hides in the train carriage and when he hears that beatrice is in love with him the window BURSTS OPEN and he looks out with the biggest >:O face. he walks on at iii.ii all clean-shaven and dressed up smoochin a photo of beatrice which he IMMEDIATELY STUFFS INTO HIS MOUTH when pedro and co. walk in and does the rest of the scene with a wad of paper stuffed in his cheek. ‘i have the toothache’
when he was writing his shitty sonnets he said ‘the only thing that rhymes with senorita is…… well all i’ve got is healthy eater’ and someone in the audience clapped as they laughed and he GLARED at them and snapped ‘oh don’t applaud that, come on’
this is what he does when he decides to court beatrice (‘love meeeee!!!! why, it must be requited!’) and he does it again at ‘i was about to protest that i loved you’ ‘then do!!!! with all thy heart’ because he’s a giant dweeb
SPEAKING OF DWEEBS. beatrice calls claudio ‘civil as an orange’ and she LAUGHS and says ‘civil orange!! geddit?? seville orange??’ and everyone just stares at her blankly and she throws her hands up and yells ‘JESUS why do i BOTHER’, bc she’s fierce and sharp and snarky but more than anything else just absolutely spilling over with life and love. even after the fallout of pedro’s proposal she still runs off laughing, which i thought was really interesting
beatrice, pouring tequila shots before the masquerade: ‘one for hero’ [hero takes a shot] ‘and one [shot] for [shot] beatrice [shot]……. [shot]’ what an icon
i couldn’t 100% swear to it but i Think she says ‘you always finish with a jade’s trick- and too soon’ or something along those lines much to ben’s outrage so like…… they banged
beatrice comes in at v.ii wearing a bullet belt over each shoulder, a truly iconic look that changed me as a person. also at ‘for which of my bad parts didst thou first fall in love with me?’ benedick climbs and swings off a ladder on the side of the carriage in the most ridiculously flirty way he’s DUMB
when they’re reading each other’s letters at the end benedick is genuinely touched by what she’s written while beatrice is kinda laughing and nudging him like ‘seriously?’ and he pulls a face like ‘oh yeah it’s pretty bad huh’. then she frowns and says ‘healthy eater??’ and benedick’s snatches it back like ‘ok that’s enough now’ 
ANYWHOMST…… i love this play i love this production thank you god and matthew dunster for my life
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thewingedwolf · 7 years ago
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Ben and Lonnie are Actually BFF’s - headcanon/meta brought to you by Rani and her need for her faves to have been friends and also a little wish-fulfillment. I wrote this forever ago and it’s A Lot but I’m posting it before it gets jossed by Descendants 2 (which....who knows maybe my broship will be canon but whateva).
So for my First Piece of Evidence...it’s less evidence and more me spit balling (I’ll get to actual evidence later). But they’re pretty evenly matched in temperament, they’re both happy, cheerful, and kind kids with a general positive outlook on life which would make me think they would get along. I mean, Ben seems to get along with everyone so its not far of a stretch that him and Lonnie would get along.
Second, she seems pretty down with the proclamation. Which could be chalked up to her just being a good person but uh. Considering the pushback Ben got from it (warranted or not), it doesn’t seem very likely that’s the reason. Or likely all on it’s own anyway. I mean most of the parents are against it, at the very least the more popular kids are against it (minus Ben), so that’s a lot of people around Lonnie that don’t like it, but she seems sorta down with it, even if she’s a bit reluctant. Which obviously means that Ben was like “look literally even my parents aren’t in love with this idea I need someone in my corner Lonnie pls I will do your math homework for a month” and she went along with it bc THEY ARE BFFS.
Third point which is - Lonnie tries quite often to be their friend, initially in a way that looks like she was put up to it by someone else (...maybe...idk...Ben...) but then keeps trying
she’s one of the first to reach out to the four and she does so fairly early on
also. why would she go to them for magic hairdo she’s the kid of two big military leaders i am positive she has the money to go to a nice hairdresser or like, her grandmother.
she also comes across a bit better than chad and jane do - evie wants a boyfriend, chad plays on this by using her to do his homework, mal has to chase after jane and jane only stays bc mal makes her popular. the minute audrey and them accept jane, she drops mal fairly quickly. lonnie wants them to do something for her yeah, but she offers to pay for it, so it’s not like she’s taking advantage or anything.
her reaction after she gets her hair done like she’s SO EXCITED AND SHE WANTS MAL TO KNOW THAT and then she rips her skirt in a really obvious i’m-gonna-be-cool-like-you way
she continually reaches out to them, not just for her hair and her own gain but she goes when they’re making cookies and mentions everyone wants Mal to do their hair, which points to her talking Mal’s makeover skills up.
Which. LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT SCENE. She tries to make conversation during that scene, she offers help, she’s genuinely trying to be nice, and wants to know about their lives. And when their lives turn out to be worse than she thought, she doesn’t brush it off or blame them for t heir shitty lives like other characters do, she is KIND AND SYMPATHETIC and tries to offer comfort!!! It even seems to work for a half a second but you know, plot happens and all.
She also sits with the girls at the game even tho she obviously has other friends, but she reaches out anyway.
she is literally the only character besides Ben to constantly reach out to them, in what is initially a way that is her not happpy with it (like she’s been put up to it by a friend) but then keeps trying to be their friend
Piece the Fourth - evidence she’s friends (good friends!!) with Ben. [note: some of this would do better if I had gifs to back it up but I can’t gif. So I have caps, altho it might be a little hard to tell but it’s the best I can do sorry]
Again, first person to actively seek them out (Chad and Jane sorta fall into their laps, and Doug is their guide thing. She’s the one who makes first contact).
the way she phrases it “you hate us and well...you’re evil” strikes me as someone put her up to it. like your friend is like go talk to the new kid they seem nice and you’re like fine and you’re a bit of an asshole initially cuz u don’t want to be there. Considering the fact that Ben has seen they’re having some issues blending in, and then the weirdness of Mal chasing Jane into the bathroom, it would make sense that he’d want to make them feel more welcome so he sends a friend he knows won’t be a dick to go talk to them. Lonnie agrees bc Ben and also she’s nice.
She's so happy for Ben and Mal during Did I Mention
Like seriously she's like squealing and grabbing Mal and pointing at Ben, like there's excited and then there's Lonnie during that scene.
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[Image Description: Lonnie smiling gleefully while Ben makes his way towards a nervous looking Mal]
^^^^^^^^^^^that is the face of a girl who wants her bff to date someone she approves of at long last
During the Family Day debacle, everyone else starts walking away after Chad wakes up, but she stays
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[image description: Chad and Audrey walking away from Ben during Family Day, while Lonnie and Doug look on, Doug looking very dejected while Lonnie looks sad and possibly worried]
She starts walking towards Ben  
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[image description: Lonnie has walked forward several steps towards Ben. Doug has a hand on her arm, and Ben looks on]
and only leaves when Doug takes her hand and literally pulls her away from Ben
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[image description: Doug is pulling on Lonnie’s arm and walking away, pulling her with while Ben watches on, his shoulders sagging. Lonnie wears the same worried and sad look]
Later, she doesn't gossip like Jane or Audrey, she lookes upset like Doug and a bit mad about what just happened.She also loks v disappointed in Doug when he rejects Evie and then sorta shakes her head and looks annoyed when Jane and Audrey come over after they had just insulted Mal. I don’t have great caps for this bc she���s not the focus on the scene (this is where giffing skills would come in siiiigh) but I did find one cap that isn’t too terrible
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[image description: doug sitting down after chad called him over from being with evie. lonnie watches doug, looking disappointed and a bit sad]
She does leave with the group but unlike everyone else, she doesn't look afraid, she's just pulling a Chad away from the group (probably stopping him from getting his ass put to sleep again bc come on nobody is happy during that scene)
So she very obviosly is not happy about this, attempts to comfort Ben, and is not ok with the petty shit Chad, Jane, and Audrey pull off, and disappointed in Doug not reaching out to Evie. To me, it seems less like she’s in with the other kids, and more like she feels very torn and not sure of how to react to the situation. So, similar to Doug - which, I was very annoyed with Doug and while it is disappointing that Lonnie wouldn’t say something either, peer pressure is a hell of a motivator and when you go to school with literal princes and princesses, that peer pressure is probably multiplied by 10000. Not to mention, we know characters like the dwarves are treated badly by Auradon per Isle of the Lost. While Mulan and Shang are human, they’re also not royalty and I wonder how well they would be treated. 
And then in Set It Off, she just jumps into the happy right away. She doesn’t need to be cheered up and she’s not a love interest, she’s just genuinely happy for everyone. Which is a) part of part three in that she’s just a really nice person and b) she’s happy bc her best friend is at least dating someone she likes I mean idk about any of you, but I’m always much happier when I approve of my friends’ dating choices
In conclusion I just love Lonnie so much, she’s so nice to the rotten four and she wants to give them a chance and I want Ben to have friends that actually support him and I want Lonnie to have friends that aren’t catty as hell and I think it would be cute if they were friends, I think there’s a decent amount of evidence that points towards them being friends, and it’s my headcanon and I say so :P
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itsybitsylemonsqueezy · 7 years ago
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Gotham 4x01: A Liveblog
Here’s my liveblog from watching the new Gotham. Enjoy:
TL;DR - Zsasz is love. Zsasz is life.
"Man, it sure is nice being Bruce Wayne, not having any super powers and standing up here waiting for a crime to happen... HOLY SHIT A CRIME! Man am I good at picking rooftops or what?" I'M JUST
He's doing the MATT MURDOCK THING but MATT HAD SUPER HEARING BRUCE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE FUCKING SPY GADGETS YET BRUCE BRUCE HOLY FUCK I AM SCREAMING
"AH yes, the most statistically probable location for a crime is... this alleyway. Yes." OH my god.
Also this Literal Child vigilanteing. I'm. Fuck me.
YOU BOTH LOOK AND SOUND LIKE YOU'RE FIVE
Also, I know you're new to this, but SUPERHERO CLICHE OF TAKING THE MASK OFF IN FRONT OF WITNESSES
WHAT IS THE POINT
I MEAN WHAT EVEN IS THE POINT OF THE DAMN FUCKING THING
IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO DO THAT
HOLY SHIT BRUCE FUCK YOU GOT A LEARNING CURVE ON THIS
Man, an actual Rick Roll. Lord Gotham
*GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASP* MY BABY! MY SON! MY ZSASZ! HERO OF THE DAY! OH YES MY ANGEL MY BABY! SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU OH FUCK I'VE MISSED YOU! MY BALD BLESSING!
Michael Buscemi, that would explain why I was like "Why are you So Steve Buscemi and yet... not?"
"Best Wedding Ever" Zsasz, light of my life, flame of my heart. EVERY wedding with you is the best wedding ever, you are correct
Oswald at Maximum Penguin, life is good
Awww, Jim's favorite bar is getting robbed
Harvey "My Entire Life Is Worrying About Jim Gordon" Bullock Oh Harvey. Harvey Harvey Harvey, how I love you, I'm so sorry my love
I am waiting with baited breath for Jim to say "I don't take orders from Penguin!" Because I can hear Oswald sniggering from here
Fuuuuuuuck, Bruce is almost as tall as Alfred now, he so big
I see uh... Arkham hasn't changed : |
Hi Scarecrow, hi buddy, you seem... well
Why must you torture Jonathan? Why?
Jim, why would you think Jonathan is doing this? Jim... *siiiigh* Well, someone else is clearly using Jonathan, that's a reasonable assumption and is in fact true, so
Hmmm, there's... ivies all over Arkham... HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Lone girl walks down dark alley, wearing LEATHER, down the MIDDLE of the alley FRIENDS FRIENDS IF THAT DON'T SPELL BAIT I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES Y'ALL DUMB THAT WAS CLEARLY A SET UP
Meanwhile, Jim and Harvey, locked together in a room... again... some more
Go team Tabs and Cats!
ZSASZ MY ANGEL MY WONDER MY DELIGHT ABSOLUTE BEST EVER NEVER LEAVE I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I MISSED YOU SO MUCH
Give Zsasz pizza, give my boy pizza, he deserves this
Jesus Bruce, you got the sneaking thing down apparently... good job
Blood on your collar Jim, tsk tsk
Jim, look less surprised that people want to feed you. Jesus you fucking bachelor, get your life together 
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy and THERE'S the iceberg
Yeah... yep, I... YEAH, that's certainly the... YEAH
HOLY FUCK WHAT WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME COCKAMEME STORY ABOUT WHY THE FUCK HE'S HERE??? YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE FUCKING ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM??? YOU'RE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND LIE ABOUT THIS??? HOLY... HOLY FUCK I'm
I knew Oswald was going to show him off and never shut up about it... but I didn't expect... this
You're going to LIE to the public about why you put your boyfriend in ice As If This Wasn't Already Weird Enough I Okay Okay. That's fine. This is fine.
Hi Jim
The Gobblepot is strong in this episode
And I AM happy to have Jim and Oswald together again, that was so LACKING from season 3, I'm so glad they're doing shit together again
But it's questionable that the show can't manage Oswald and Ed and Oswald and Jim at the same time
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, talking to your ice sculpture buddy, you're WAY over it
So Over It
Mmmmmmmm
Jesus Oswald
"But at what cost? I wonder which of us is frozen." HOLY SHIT OSWALD HOLY NO NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT, YOU AIN'T EVEN GONNA TRY THIS SEASON??? YOU AIN'T EVEN GONNA LIE ABOUT IT? HOLY SHIT OSWALD WHAT THE FUCK NO
God, Jim giving the orders and Harvey giving the "yeah what he said" as usual God jesus Help me
Ahhh, Jonathan has progressed on to hearing the scarecrow now that's... that's good That's fine I'm sure that's... that's all fine : |||
Bruce has a very stereotypical deer in the headlights reaction to romance ^^;
But HELLO MY ANGEL SWEETEST BEAM OF SUNLIGHT! Always a pleasure you dear dear skeleton man 83333333
Jim: I got punched Harvey: About time too Jim: OH FUCK YOU Harvey: Later, dear
Alfred is my favorite and I love that we've passed the "Ughhh DAD RUINS EVERYTHING" stage of puberty and moved into the "Dad is inevitably here, yes" stage of acceptance
Hmmmm, Ivy doesn't like Oswald's latest running Gotham scheme
And Alfred is hitting the No Batman button, good job
...oh my god Ivy did you hit the main power Did you Hit The Main Power Tell Me. You Didn't. I'm If Ivy thaws Ed I"m going to scream I mean, THIS IS EXACTLY THE FUCK UP I CALLED But It's Day 1 guys You couldn't make it through ONE FUCKING DAY????
Also, what did Oswald do to piss off Ivy so much?Jesus :/ Ivy is written like a disaster :/
Oh god Oswald got sprayed OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DEAR
Yeahhhhhhhh, yeah, that was that, yeah
and PHEW, we didn't thaw Ed, THANK CHRIST
I mean... we haven't yet anyway
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Oswald clinging to Jim XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I'm dying
Again, the Gobblepot is strong with this one
I’m very pro them being bros though and Jim reluctantly taking care of his idiot bro Oswald tho
They are tied in destiny
...no security on the lynch pin lawyer seems... super dumb Not an excellent move I’m kinda... um... no
Good Job Bruce
Maybe stick to the rooftops you know where The Most Crime Happens
That seemed to be working out for you much better
Good job getting arrested Bruce
and OHHHHHHHHH BOY JONATHAN
OH BOY
OHHHHHHHHH BOY THIS WON'T BE GOOD OH BOY THIS IS BAD
It was bad
It's been good! It's been good! Zsasz was back, Ed's still frozen, Harvey and Jim are still married, that's all I wanted ^^;
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storylocke · 7 years ago
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Honey GLITched: Night on Haunted Rock
Blake:
Honey…? … Honey, can you hear me? We made it to shore. Are you okay? Honey?
Honey:
[Mumbling to herself as she’s still curled in a way that she can cling to her seat. Something about “slipping”.]
Blake:
[Hey, he’s not going to let her fall. Why she no trust him? Very timidly reaches over to give her a nudge] Honey? I’m right here. I told you I’d keep us both safe. Can you move?
Honey:
[That’s… not Luke. Her brain finally seems to register the voice and she very meekly peeks over her arm at him.] Blake? [She starts to uncurl herself and shifts to where she can look out the window. It’s still pouring down rain, but she can see a beach, so that might be a good sign they were still in their own world.] What happened? Where are we?
Blake:
We’re currently stuck on the Haunted Isle. I didn’t mean for that to happen, but that storm was fierce! Even though we got beached, I don’t think we’re too bad off yet. Do you want to come with me outside so we might have a look?
Honey:
[Though she’s still shaken by the whole affair, his calmness helps her to stay calm, and she gives him a very timid nod that she’ll go with him.]
=+=
[Yeesh, it was pretty bad. And for the entire ship to have gotten on shore, it was going to take some serious poke power to get it back into the water. Blake gazed over the whole thing with a massive expression of disappointment.]
Blake:
[DEEEP SIIIIGH.] Damn, this is worse than I thought. [A soft glance at her as he didn’t mean to speak so coarsely in front of her. Ahem] Team Fusion likely has their own means to leave the island which means if we don’t catch them now we’ll lose them.
Honey:
How are we going to get home?
Blake:
I’ll see what I can do to repair our boat. I think the worst of it is the rudder was cracked, but I can’t risk leaving it out in this weather. Otherwise we could be stranded indefinitely. Do you think you could handle Team Fusion?
Honey:
[Soft squeak] All by myself? [takes a deep breath as she calms her shaking] I’m sure Sap and I will be just fine. I just thought if I got into trouble-
Blake:
I’ll be right behind you. I promise, I’m not expecting you to face them alone. Right now, it’s just a matter of locating and stalling them while we still have a chance.
Honey:
Just keep them distracted? I can do that. [To herself as she starts to march up the beach] I can do this. I can do this. I can do this…
=+=
[She couldn’t do this. Honey had gone into the cave thinking it was the only logical place Team Fusion could have gone, and found out the hard way she was right. Out of the darkness they came, leaving her little more than a shout and threat before pulling her into battle. Despite her word of confidence to Blake, Sap was little better off than the others as Team Fusion’s fire-types quickly tore down his defenses. How she got out, Honey would never know, but she fled. She fled like the coward she knew she was. She wasn't cut out for real adventure.
To make matters worse, as she tried to catch her breath, she paused as the soft and broken melody had returned. The heavy cri-i-it-tit-ter-ing that wracked her brain seemed to follow the pattern of the rain. Honey rose from where she had crouched down in the grass and looked around as the world had started to fall out of sync again.]
Honey:
Oh no… [Looks to her hands, half wondering if she’d be able to see through them, the other half wondering if she should expect the blinding light of before to strike her at any moment. If she disappeared now, would Luke be there to save her like he promised? What would Blake think if she just blipped out existence- Blake! He still had to go after Team Fusion if she suddenly couldn’t.] I can’t slip away now! [She brushes herself off and hurries back over to the boat.] Blake! Blaaake! There’s something I need to tell you before-! [Gasps a little as she finds him, thoroughly frozen in the shadow of the ship while trying to patch one of it’s holes. Her heart starts racing as she circles him, half wishing she was wrong and he just REALLY needed to focus right now. He didn't even blink.] Please, please, pleeeaase wake up? I need you!
[Nothing she does seems to break that stern concentration until she manages to get in front of him. Trying to give him a soft shake, she at first thought that the effort was still useless until she realized that slowly, veeeeery slowly, there was a subtle light to his gaze as he looked up at her confusion. While the rain overhead still rattled to the beat in her brain, Honey suddenly felt more terrified to think she was causing him to “slip” than to leave him in that state.]
Honey:
[Gives a loud squeak as she stumbles backwards, and it takes her a moment to realize how she was even able to do that with her standing between him and the ship. She pushed herself up to realize she’d somehow gotten INSIDE their small vessel and she could feel her heart now pounding against her ribs as she looked down to see she had the floor up to her waist. Was it… was it possible to only slip halfway? To be in this reality while not being in reality? Was she partially there in the other universe as well? Still unsure as to what she’d done to Blake, and still hoping she’d just imagined it, she pushed herself to slip out of the other side of the boat.] LUKE?! [She doubted he’d answer, but anything was worth a shot to get her out of the waking nightmare she was experiencing] Luke, what’s happening?!
[Only the rain seemed to respond, but the Voices had started to fix themselves well enough for her to listen. So she took a moment to do just that; listen. Some suggested, as she already thought, that she was simply “glitching” again. Another stray little Voice brought up that Blake DID have a Darkrai, and this could all just be a terrible, terrible dream. A few were speaking about Team Fusion in hushed whispers. …. Fusion… Honey looked back to the cave with a mix of fear and determination. Hadn’t Luke said the “problem” was coming from her world? While she couldn’t remember what started this mess, she’d noticed it’d was at it’s worse when either Team Fusion showed up, or the Scarfed Pikachu. And had the rodent not said he’d get revenge for ruining his life by ruining hers? Whether the two were connected or not, as far as she could tell the result was the same.]
Honey:
… [steps around the outside of the boat to look back at the young Elite, still frozen.] Hang in there, Blake. I guess it’s my turn to save you now.
=+=
[Honey was both afraid and furious to see that none of the Team Fusion members had been frozen. Adding all the more fuel to her theory. It left her hurt and confused as she stumbled through the darkness to confront them, and made them all the more angry to realize that SOMEONE was not affected by their little trick. What exactly they had done, she’d never know as the grunts refused to speak with her even after she defeated them. Then again, Honey started to feel bad as she noticed the eerie pattern of how upon defeat they all suddenly halted in their aggression. All quietly repeating the exact same thing.]
Honey:
[Eyes the man warily as he just seems to stand there, glassy eyed as she’d seen the professor that morning, and gives him a gentle poke.] Sir?
Grunt:
Team Fusion’s goals are of no concern to you.
Honey:
…. [Looks down at BBC]
BBC:
Uh… [Uses Howl!]
Grunt:
[Despite getting barked at, he simply responds] Team Fusion’s goals are of no concern to you.
BBC:
[Doggish head tilt as she waits for him to say anything else] … How queer. [looks up at Honey] And you say this sort of thing has been happening since yesterday morning? What do you think this is?
Honey:
[walk and talk Pooch, they’ve likely a long way to go] I’m not sure what to think, but if they ARE the ones behind this, then they probably froze Blake to make sure he wouldn’t stop them again.
BBC:
Because he was the one to clear them out of the Milkshake Swamp, correct?
Honey:
Yeah, that was even before I got you guys. But now it seems like the price for losing is to be “stopped” as well.
BBC:
It is very curious. I fancy then it may be a security attempt on their leader’s part. If they cannot respond to questions or force after being disarmed, then they can’t give away information.
Honey:
[Sinks down a bit at the thought, but that did seem to be most likely. Still, it was almost painful to see the light leave their eyes as if put under some sort of spell. And all the worse to know they ended up that way because of her…Clenches her fist in determination.] Well, we’ll just have to have a word with their leader, now won’t we?
=+=
[While she was glad to step out of the cave, Honey knew the danger could only grow the farther up the mountain she climbed. That charge, that static to the air was becoming overwhelming again. It made her tense… Her concentration was shattered when there came a blinding light which made her flinch and duck down as the thunder roared overhead. That’s all it was, she tried to assure herself, just lightning. Returning to her feet revealed a terrible scene as the mountains almost looked like FIRE and she realized that even the lightning overhead had become frozen. She must have been getting close to the source…]
Honey:
Y-you can do this…[tries to steady her breathing as she can see a new cave entrance up ahead. Something told her, her gut, the Voices, but SOMETHING told her she’d found the culprit. She was going to face against Team Fusion’s leader and save everyone! Mustering up that courage, she marched forward.]
Pikachu:
[Facing the back of the cave as if looking at something… ears perk as he gives a subtle backward glance at her] Heh heh heh… Expecting someone else, were you?
Honey:
[Honestly she was, and all she can do right now is stare at him. The connection between him and the strange lapses in reality were seriously growing deeper]
Pikachu:
[Turns to her now as he crosses his paws across his chest, still failing to be intimidating as his high pitched voice drips with bitterness] You came all this way hoping to fight with Team Fusion, but all that’s here is me. [grinning] God, I love that look on your face right now. The betrayal, the confusion. Having your dream crushed so easily~! Come on then, battle with me. I want to see how beautifully painful you look when you lose!
Honey:
A lot of talk for something the size of my shoe. Manga, let’s go! [tosses Poke Ball between them.]
Pikachu:
A water-type? You must be crazy!
[Crazy or not, the battle ended absurdly quick. Perhaps it was because of all her training since their last meeting, or perhaps the electricity he absorbed in that battle had given him a huge boost, but the Scarfed Pikachu gave in surprisingly easily this time. Honey found herself on edge as he raised a paw to call it quits. What was he thinking…?]
Pikachu:
Alright, alright! You win. I lost again, but I’ll take this loss as fuel to make me more determined to beat you next time. [Gives her a bit of a sly grin] However… I need you to progress so we may battle again. Why not take this with you?
Honey:
[Looks at the item capsule with caution] What is it?
Pikachu:
It’s called a Delusifier. My superiors are in a cave blocked by Zoroark’s illusions to keep intruders out. You can use that device to see through illusions and reach them.
Honey:
Why are you helping me?
Pikachu:
[Snaps] I’m not helping you! I wasn’t able to defeat you, but I sure hope they will! Never forget, I want you dead! Farewell, asshole!
Honey:
[And with that, he storms off again, leaving the girl all the more confused and uncertain to anything anymore.] … [Looks down at the item ball where he dropped it, and picks it up] His superiors, huh? So they really are working together...
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Yes, we apparently unleashed Hell on the mountain
Poor Honey is in dire straights right now, but at least she's... possibly, probably better off than Blake. |D;; .... Which is something I kind of want to address...
We've met him before, but we finally get to meet our Prince of in Distress as Blake is considerably our long-term companion. I know the game makers wanted a Champion sorry, Elite who was more active in the plot than others were at the time, but there's... a problem. I really do like Blake. His appearances are consistent enough to be more like a helper, like with Hau or Pearl. The key difference from those two trying to help though is that you, the protag, are always proven to be the stronger between the two of you and being close to the same age gives an impression that while you guys might team up against the bad guys, your partner here doesn't know any better than you do. Blake being a top tier trainer in the region honestly shouldn't NEED you, especially when you prove you can take out the whole of the Team fleet with your lv.30 whatever and supposedly he's got a full team of optimized lv.60s or something. .... Which means like 9/10 his appearances come down to this XD
That said... I'm just taking this time to explain that while I am trying to keep to the plot of Glazed, this left the logic to why Honey is always the one doing everything despite Blake's presence to basically: a) He's really just that incompetent. b) we're dealing with a Lockehart situation and he's heroics are all just a con. c) there's actually a perfectly good explanation why he can't come, it's usually because he's possibly-quite-literally tied up at the moment. .... Since I actually do like this guy, it's sad that C seems like the NICE option.
So just giving you guys fair warning in advance, if Honey thinks she's in over her head, Blake most definitely is and he'll be getting rescued / banged up quite a bit before all this is over. -w-;;
But what can you expect from guy who's signature companion is Dark Entei -shot-
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