#li muzha

[margueritedaisies]

I just love drawing families of fictional characters, its interesting to think of how each sibling would look. I try to make them different from one another but at the same time maintain familial similarities.

Jinzha resembles their mom, Muzha their dad, and Nezha's a good mix of both.

Also get ready with some sibling dynamic rant, mostly relation HCs by me.

Enough with the parent child dynamic

I want sibling dynamic. Where these three come to terms on what happened between them. Specifically Muzha and Nezha's interaction is the one I want to see.

Tbh those two's fates in the myth reminded me of Hyakkimaru and Tahomaru in Dororo.

Like Nezha and Muzha had so much potential to gain solidarity with each other. Because Jinzha could never relate to them as the ignored or unwanted child. Muzha has that middle child stuggle fr.

Muzha is the one so eager to gain their fathers favor trying to meet Jinzha's level . Nezha wants nothing from his father so he makes himself worse.

Muzha's frustration with Nezha is that Nezha is rebellious, disrespectful of their dad

While Nezha's frustration to Muzha is that Muzha is so blinded and always struggling to achieve something so futile. Deep down he hates how Muzha is suffering this way but he wouldnt speak of it. This is why they always at odds.

They should make a movie focusin the Li brothers fr

Other than overusing the actual myths.

Fuck the ending from the original myth, they didnt even consider how the children felt from all the abuse. Not even mention of Muzha's death.

Enough Ao Bing, what about Muzha???

And the moral lesson is just about "respecting elders"?? The story still had so much to wrap up. How can you call this a family if there is some sort of hierarchal system. A family requires empathy to maintain that connection.

Tbh its kinda realistic

Families and siblings can still inflict trauma from each other .And a story based on reconcilation is a good way for this to be about family counselling.

I wanna see the "what ifs". It could be each brothers own story of self healing from the trauma caused on each other.

Maybe Im getting my hopes up too much, but it could be a development for them to forgive, start anew and an opportunity to connect and catch up on what they missed on each other.

Edit:

As for Jinzha he also has his own struggles as the eldest. Keeping up the station as the golden favored and perfect son. But its Asian family dynamics, which means hes in a lot of pressure. But he is mentally and emotionally strong. The brothers always busy on his studies ,future responsibilities and training to be able to spend time together. Their timetables seemed to be planned out to always not meet. Jinzha especially had less freetime. And if he ever came across any of his brothers, it was only one of them never both.

He doesnt mind being a buffer for the other two feuding but it does stress him out that it will never change. But he'll make sure to give time and attention to both of them as much as he can.

Other than keeping up his fathers expectations he also doesnt want to fail as a big brother to them🥺😭

Muzha and Nezha can see his efforts so they do not dare hold anything against him. Muzha still keeps his competitive attitude when Jinzha's around but accepts any offered kindness from Jinzha. While Nezha enjoys his company when he gets the chance.

Also because I tend to hold on to this little bit of bonding😭🥺🥺Jinzha trying to be the best big bro

Thinking of the contrast in the future where Jinzha was tasked to torture Nezha destroyed me😭😭😭What did Jinzha even feel while he had to do it??

Also here some Nezha with his hair down again

[ruibaozha]

I was looking into some idols my friend Pilgrim Sun had referred to me and I happened upon numerous idols of both Muzha and Jinzha.

Ordinarily this wouldn’t be a problem, however Muzha is known primarily to use the Hooks of Wu and not melon hammers. Similarly, Jinzha is known to use a staff somewhat similar to Sun Wukong but is pictured to be using two swords. This may be a regional difference between China and Taiwan, but something for me to look into further nonetheless.

Images of idols of Nezha from Taiwan for reference (the first image is from Pilgrim Sun).

[the-monkey-ruler]

Can you tell me who are the sworn brothers of Erlang and Sun Wukong? Maybe Nezha too and Bull Demon King please 🤔

I’m not sure if Nezha has sworn brother honestly… he just has real brothers. At least that I know of.

Jinzha 金��

Muzha 木吒

Wukong does have a LOT, pilgrims not included even if those are his junior brothers in Buddhism.

Bull Demon King 牛魔王

Peng Demon King 鵬魔王

Dragon Flood Demon King 蛟魔王

Snub Nose Monkey Demon King 禺狨王

Spiritual Macaque Demon King 獼猴王

Lion Demon King 獅駝王

Immortal Zhenyuanzi (became sworn in the journey) 鎮元大仙

Erlang has his 6 plum brothers!! (and Wukong)

Kang Anyu 康安裕

Zhang Boshi 张伯时

Li Huanzhang 李焕章

Yao Gonglin 姚公麟

Guo Shen 郭申

Naoken 直健

Sun Wukong (became sworn in their fight) 孙悟空

Bull Demon King is similar to Wukong's list just without Immortal Zhenyanzi. And actually he has a REAL brother that is Immortal Ruyi 如意真仙 who guards the abortion water.

[peachysodafizz]

School doodle

Just the Li brothers cooking up some food

(Muzha would definitely be the leading cook since I hc’d him as a ✨Househusband Material✨ /j)

[incorrectjttw]

Sun Wukong: Guess what I'm doing tomorrow?

Muzha: Becoming a productive member of Heaven?

Sun Wukong: Bro. Come on.

Sun Wukong: Do you have the faintest idea, what it's like to be told you have been given a top job, only to find out out, that you're not only at the rock bottom of the shitty hierarchy, but also will never have the chance to climb up the ladder? They treated me like a fucking pet monkey! And if you think it's okay to treat people like that, fuck you.

[alvie-pines]

the thing about brothers is that they love to hit each other on the head with rocks

[peppermintys]

re: my last post. that being said. here

li brothers !!!

[mythicalmagical-monkeyman]

[lotus-duckies]

a stack of sleepies

[angstandhappiness]

ADORABLE

菩萨的爱徒 :) 。。。孙悟空也在

[pillowdrawz]

Part 2 of my what if Nezha betraying his father.

Part 1. <

Imma just gonna call this Emperor Nezha au heehhehehehehehe

[ruibaozha]

I saw how some people use historical figures from Chinese mythology, folklore and religion for NSFW, literally, turning them into their own OC's, and I was wondering, what do you think of that? Because it seems like they just took them, and didn't do more research asking the question of "is that right?"

As per your second question for me I will leave that unaddressed and instead invite you to discuss those matters properly in private, especially if this answer is dissatisfying.

I personally do not care much if NSFW or suggestive content of such deities exist (except for the child Nezha, leave his child form out of this.) or that it’s being produced in the first place. The numerous Chinese social media sites like LOFTER, Douban (豆瓣) and Xiaohongshu (小红书) feature fan art of Daoist deities like Nezha and Er’lang in these kinds of situations. Fan fiction of these deities are similarly of the same attitude. It has nothing to do with if proper research has been conducted, especially in the case of Er’lang Shen who cannot act on romantic feelings even if he wanted to.

It feels to me that there’s an exception regarding Chinese deities and folk heroes when deities of other religions have been sexualized. This screams of not only hypocrisy but of ignorance in being offended on behalf of the Chinese. In the few months I was active in the LMK fandom I’ve come to realize a majority of the other Chinese in the fandom are either adopted or second generation immigrants with no real cultural background; and as a consequence have severely inaccurate biases on matters like this because they aren’t aware of how insignificant this is.

I’m admittedly not active within the LMK fandom anymore and as such I don’t know what’s happening there unless someone is compelled to talk about what is going on. But it feels to me that as per usual people are holding Journey to the West as the be all end all on numerous fronts when the books really cannot and should not be heralded as such. Moreover, it’s strange that the fandom is completely okay with sexualizing Sun Wukong, the Six Eared Macaque, and the Golden Winged Peng while any other character is unacceptable.

I assure you that numerous derivative works feature Chinese deities in relationships and sexual contexts, even Tang Sanzang is featured in movies or television shows with a romantic partner despite relationships of that nature betray his Buddhist faith.

I’ve been considering making a post about the cultural dissonance that’s happening here and various attitudes or opinions other people have because they lack the cultural context to realize how insignificant and misinformed a lot of this “discourse” actually is.

What is it about Chinese mythology that sets it apart from Nordic or Greco-Roman mythology in these ways? Why is it perfectly acceptable to sexualize Loki or Achilles, but not someone like Muzha (who was a very real person that became deified, in the same fashion as Guan Yu, as who he was studying under was seen as an incarnation of Guanyin)?

I don’t think this type of thinking will ever make sense to me as a true testament to how different the fandom (especially on Twitter) and myself feel about this matter.

[the-monkey-ruler]

Do you know of a website where a family tree of the gods can be found? Or what gods are related to others?

I can't say that there is one because most gods are just not related. Sure some gods have family relations like Nezha, Erlang, or the Dragons Kings but they are considered more of the expectation than the rule.

I've said this before but how gods work in Chinese mythos is that anyone who cultivates and is able to train under an immortal and maybe perhaps gaining enough merit to go to heaven and get godhood gets to be a god. There are rarely any family relations involved also due to the fact that gods are not allowed to get married or have kids, the Jade Emperor being an expectation to this rule. Sure mortals can live in the lower levels of heaven and have families but they are not gods either. Or that gods had families before they became gods like Nezha's family. Or that they broke the law like Erlang Shen's family.

Needless to say, I would say give up trying to find a family tree since that is too far-fetched between the thousands of different gods and so few being related at all.

But I can say it the biggest known families are the Li Family with Jing Li, Jinzha, Muzha, and Nezha and their mother who most likely passed.

The Yang family with the sister of the JE being Yuan, Erlang Sheng, Sansheng Mu, and there was Yang Jiao but he passed away and their father passed as well. This makes Erlang Shen the JE's nephew and Sansheng Mu his niece.

And maybe Jade Emperor and his Daughters like Weaver girl who had a husband and two children but the Jade Emperor and Queen Mother who are to said to have many children so there isn't even a concrete number there, just that there is a lot.

There is also the Main Dragon Kings. The West, South, North, and East King Dragons are all brothers with an off-handed sister mentioned in Xiyouji. East and West Kings seem to have about three sons each and a daughter each as well (not sure about the South or North Kings but most likely children as well) and the Mother Dragon had like nine sons I believe. Not really gods but still a family that are immortal.

There are definitely a lot more I am just unaware of really. Most legends I know are more stand-alone without any mentions of the family besides mortal parents when they ascend to godhood. There are a few cases I see maybe certain gods being considered brothers and sisters. These are just the ones I really know and I hope that helps a little even if you won't find more family relations.

[autism-autobot]

FloaPS Facts 4

Read after chapters 18 & 19

Masterpost

Tw: Beheading/decapitation, gory descriptions, fainting, ptsd flashbacks, grief, depression,

During the moon cake making, Wukong's oxygen tank rolled off the table and took him down with it. The entire Demon Bull Family dropped what they were doing and went to help. He was fine, but his face temporarily was an even deeper shade of blue than normal.

Wukong was specifically instructed not to eat the moon cake batter.

He ate the moon cake batter.

He got sick and threw up.

He regrets many decisions he's made in life.

That ain't one of them.

The reasons Wukong wasn't allowed to go with Nezha to his Lunar New Years celebrations:

1. Jing specifically requested it be a family only thing since everyone was still mending their relationships with each other.

2-a. The last time Wukong came to a Li family gathering, Muzha threw a brick at Nezha as revenge but missed and hit Wukong instead.

2-b. Because Wukong had been decapitated so many times in the past (both by heaven and demons he encountered on The Journey), his head will pop off if hit hard enough (being sick only made it easier to do this).

2-c. That, combined with Wukong's beheaded body nonchalantly crawling over to his severed head, was enough to scare the other Li siblings into never wanting to see Wukong again.

3. Li Jing was extremely appalled that Nezha acted like this was a normal thing for Wukong. It isn't really, Nezha's just seen Wukong go through worse and knows he'll be fine.

Wukong once had the circlet activated so hard, and for so long, it sliced his head open and made his brain explode, and bits flew everywhere. Nezha witnessed this.

Wukong has a scar and a deep indent in his forehead as a result of the circlet.

When Wukong hugs DBK, he wraps his arms around his horns and pulls his face in close.

Upon first coming home, Wukong fretted over Red Son's cut, making a bunch of monkey coos and nuzzling his hand. Red Son really appreciated it.

DBK found out the hard way that Wukong CAN NOT TAKE HOT BATHS.

Wukong fainted and had several flashbacks about the furnace. He wept so much his tears stained the blanket Nezha made for him.

The Demon Bull Family takes scalding hot baths and often forget that most people would broil alive if the steam doesn't kill them first.

DBK found out Wukong loves ice baths and will burrow himself in the ice like a snake in sand given the opportunity.

Wukong likes getting baths and hair brushing from his family. It's the closest he can get to monkey grooming from them.

Wukong likes receiving scritches and pats.

The very few times in his life he's had lice, DBK asked Wukong to get rid of all the bugs, and he did.

Wukong's preferred seat is the floor.

Wukong doesn't like to sleep alone while sick (monkey instincts say it's a bad idea).

Red Son loves having his uncle sleep in his bed.

Wukong will sing an old lullaby he wrote for his children with his husband whenever he sleeps in Red Son's bed with him.

Red Son considers Wukong and his husband's singing voices to be the soundtrack of his childhood. That and the cuckoo clock.

Wukong used to write poetry, books, and songs but stopped when his husband died.

Wukong sings on occasion, but not nearly as often as he used to.

@starrclown @swkbiggestdefender @istopaskingmemate @ainnur @then-be-a-warrior @weaverpop @alilcherrysramblings

Part 3

[incorrectjttw]

Nezha: You didn’t have to kick me!

Muzha, whom mistook Nezha for a random yaoguai: You’re right. It was an entirely voluntary act on my part.

He just might have kicked Nezha regardless. And then got scolded by Guan Yin for the act of violence.

[quitealotofsodapop]

Will Nezha and his brothers get a proper face to face reunion? Or is that a little off the table with their dad situation?(Sorry if you answered this already.)

In the TMKATI au? Not for a long time (prev post about the bros in the au here & here)

Part of the issue is that Nezha's older brothers had been teenagers when he was born, and honestly had a really hard time bonding with him when they were all mortal. Having a younger brother that's a snake-like demon-creature cus your mom was secretly a celestial princess makes things complicated.

And the fact Li Jing was openly disgusted by Nezha to the point of destroying his own son's temple/death shrine out of bitterness.

The next time either Jinzha or Muzha is said to have encountered their brother is when their father Li Jing was running for his mortal life from his resurrected son - now in a fiery god/asura-like form wreathed in lotuses. Li Jing demands that Muzha protect him as he flees, and after a tense battle; Nezha kills Muzha with a golden brick. Muzha shows up again later less than pleased, but is overall chill with it. Though considering that Li Jing literally sacrificed his middle son to save his own skin, it's no wonder why Muzha peaced out of the Celestial Realm afterwards to become Guanyin's disciple Moksa/Hui An on earth.

Jinzha was already working for the Buddha by this point, so he was a little out of the loop considering that the whole Investiture Crisis was going on.

Edit: Jinzha is instructed to flog Nezha by his master Wenshu Guangfa Tianzun when the deity stopped Nezha from killing Lu Jing + stopped Li Jing from self-deleting. No wonder none of these bros talk.

In the modern day the three barely consider each other brothers. The eldest two have all but officially denounced Li Jing as their father, and the only reason Nezha hasn't is cus Li Jing keeps him on a tight leash with the Pagoda + emotional abuse.

The healthiest thing that happens to Nezha in the last couple hundred years (at least in the TMKATI au) is him being "punished" by being sent down to the mortal realm in his true form. And of course since this ask came about pre-S5, Li Jing does seem like that sort of incompetent/petty as to kick his own kid out of Heaven for an argument gone sour.

Even if the three brothers reunite and bond over their shared terrible dad, it's a long road to go.