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Sauron, Galadriel, & Tolkien's Theology of Repentance - Part One
Summary: Character meta analysis on Sauron (and Galadriel, through the lens of Sauron). Based on both Silmarillion & RoP canon. 3.5k words. Discussion of Catholic theology involved. Blanket TW for discussion of violence, manipulation, etc., because Sauron. Spoilers for S1 & S2 and the Silmarillion, of course. The tragedy of Sauron is that he gets offered so many legitimate chances at redemption and forgiveness, and he denies them every single time. But we know he wants absolution, because that’s what he sees Galadriel as: his chance to bind himself back to the light, to be Mairon again, to heal the pain that he caused and that was caused to him under Morgoth. But because he has such a warped view of himself and his actions, he dismisses genuine extensions of compassion, forgiveness, and care as simultaneously beneath him and too good for him. And yet, he still pursues redemption, but through none of the channels offered to him.
In The Rings of Power, he’s given the explicit instruction to change for the good in the village after he’s reborn. He’s given the chance leave his past behind and work meaningfully in Númenor. He’s given the chance to redeem himself by Galadriel's offer of friendship (or love, depending on your interpretation). In the Silmarillion, he's even given the chance by Eönwë himself, and comes close to leaving Morgoth behind completely!
Let's look at this passage from Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age (emphasis mine):
When Thangorodrim was broken and Morgoth overthrown, Sauron put on his fair hue again and did obeisance to Eönwë the herald of Manwë, and abjured all his evil deeds. And some hold that this was not at first falsely done, but that Sauron in truth repented, if only out of fear, being dismayed by the fall of Morgoth and the great wrath of the Lords of the West. But it was not in the power of Eönwë to pardon those of his own order, and he commanded Sauron to return to Aman and there receive the judgement of Manwë. Then Sauron was ashamed, and he was unwilling to return in humiliation to receive from the Valar a sentence, it might be, of long servitude in proof of his good faith; for under Morgoth his power had been great. Therefore when Eönwë departed he hid himself in Middle-earth; and he fell back into evil, for the bonds that Morgoth had laid upon him were very strong.
This passage is clear that Eönwë is willing to pardon Sauron--he simply did not posses the power to do so. But when Sauron was told he must appeal directly Manwë, he gave up entirely and skulked back to Middle-earth. There are a few ways to read this:
1. He was not wholly repentant
Sauron simply wanted the protection of a new master in the absence of Melkor. i.e., he was rather fickle and simply wanted to be on whatever the "winning" side was. This is supported by the text literally saying that at least some of his obeisance was completely false, and that he only made a point of feeling bad about anything once his master had been chucked into the Void and his armies and strongholds were being destroyed (Thangorodrim). In this reading, perhaps Eönwë saw Sauron's treachery and referred him to Manwë knowing that it would be a test of his true intent. However, while a valid interpretation, I believe this to be the less holistic of the two.
2. He was truly repentant
Sauron did truly feel badly and "abjured all his evil deeds," but he was unwilling/unable to humble himself after being so fundamentally broken by Melkor and developing an insatiable power lust (hey, he isn't defined in the narrative by lust and pride for nothing).
Earlier in this same chapter, Tolkien wrote that Sauron could "...deceive all but the most wary." This is in the specific context of his physical shapeshifting. But, I would argue that this can also be tied to his lies. Tolkien has a specific ethic of beauty, where physical perfection is equated with moral goodness. Sauron completely inverts what is otherwise a hard and fast rule within Tolkien's writings by being the character most frequently described as "fair"--seven times to Lúthien's six, and she was the most beautiful woman to have ever lived!
(Side note: I have another post on Tolkien & beauty in the works where I'll get more into this idea)
Why does this matter? Even though this interaction with Eönwë takes place in the First Age, Sauron could at this point be in the demonic form Mirdania describes in the forge. And, I am inclined to believe that Eönwë, as the head Maiar and herald of Manwë, would be a pretty wary guy, and thus able to sense any of Sauron's trickery. I read this to mean that Eönwë looked at Sauron and saw his potential to be Mairon again, either in absence of his evil form or in spite of it.
Because Sauron is incredibly beautiful. And even if it is a disguise of the true, depreciated form of his spiritual essence, he presented himself to Eönwë at his most beautiful. He wanted, even in his act of repentance, to make himself more favorable in Eönwë's eyes. To show up as Mairon (who was likely close friends with Eönwë before everything went down, since they are considered to be two of the most powerful Maia and would have worked closely together).
But I don't think this was all manipulation on Sauron's end. I agree with the scholars mentioned in the text who believed that Sauron was truly repentant--which is why Eönwë even bothered referring him to Manwë instead of kicking him into the Void with Melkor.
And this is the tragedy: Sauron is told exactly how to repent, and believes fundamentally that it is an impossible path for him. And yet, he still longs so intrinsically for it! He was, under Aulë, a Maia of precision, perfection, and order. Under Morgoth, he feels disordered, dis-regulated. He needs to correct the fundamental imbalance within him, so why does he flee Eönwë?
It comes back to Sauron's pride.
If he follows through with this path of reconciliation, there is no way he can hide or pretend his actions away. If he cannot trick his fellow Maiar, he certainly cannot trick the Valar. And he cannot stand the idea of submitting himself back under their rule, especially now that he has tasted power. This is a pride wound; it is why the idea of confessing to Manwë would be humiliating to him as opposed to just upsetting/uncomfortable.
Again, the pivotal moment: he is told how to make amends for crimes and determines that he cannot do it. So he returns to Middle-earth and stews in his own self-hated and self-pity for a few years. In that time, he consciously or subconsciously latches onto Eönwë's offer--forgiveness from penance. It is the way forward. And if he cannot earn penance at Manwë's hand, he will do it on his own.
The Prodigal Son
This is where we have to talk about the Catholic roots of Tolkien's work for a moment. The scene where Sauron approaches Eönwë mirrors the biblical parable of the prodigal son. In this story, a man abandons his family, spends all his money, and falls into ruin. But when he recognizes his failings and returns to his father to get help, he is welcomed back into the family without question--in other words, he is forgiven and restored to his former position.
17 But when he [the prodigal son] came to himself he said, “How many of my father’s hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired hands.’” 20 So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him. - Luke 15:11-32, NRSV CE (emphasis mine)
The parallel is clear; Mairon, the repentant Maia, returns home with hopes of reconciliation. He is prescribed the same task that the prodigal son offered to his father: he must be bound in servitude to his father/creator in order to pay off his debts. This is a deliberate allusion from Tolkien. The story of the prodigal son models the path of reconciliation that Eönwë describes. Tolkien seems to be drawing a line in the sand with this: Sauron is unwilling to do the work required by the Valar for repentance, so he is unable to receive the grace of a warm welcome back into the fold of the Ainur. Since he did not humble himself, he has to be told to do it. And he does not want to! He wants to be loved, but he also wants his power--evidence, in a way, of how his character was fundamentally altered in his time with Morgoth.
His pride--and his fear--cut him off from the potential of grace. He does not know for certain that Manwë would subject him to servitude (though I would argue that it's textually evident that it is a custom), but this assumption leads him to flee, which allows him to slip back into his old ways.
He wants to be Mairon (admirable) again, not Sauron (abhorrent). He wants to be accepted and loved, but not punished. He wants the benefits of reconciliation without the work he would have to do to earn it or the shame he would feel as he did. It's pride, but it's also deep shame--the flip side of his extreme ego is an implicit self-hatred, one that we can see in the subtext of how he speaks about himself and about his time with Morgoth.
Even the language Tolkien uses is heavily shame-coded, especially in a Catholic context; Mairon did not go willingly, he was "seduced." He admits to Celebrimbor that he was "tortured by a god". It becomes exceedingly clear through both text and on-screen canon that Sauron was routinely broken and abused for centuries. This has fundamentally damaged his self-perception, which is ultimately what leads him to "[fall] back into evil"--whether due to pride or shame, he hides, perhaps because he consciously or subconsciously does not believe that he deserves forgiveness, no matter how much he craves it.
Naked in the Garden
His flight back to Middle-earth after meeting Eönwë is reminiscent of another biblical scene, where Adam and Eve, after committing the first sin, hide from God in shame and fear (emphasis mine):
7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked...9 But the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” -Genesis 7-10, NRSV CE
The image of nakedness is, here, one of vulnerability, and Tolkien establishes that Sauron fears that which he cannot control. He needs the Rings under his power. He needs his armies and his enemies under his watchful eye. He is petrified of letting his power slip away (possibly due to never wanting to feel powerless in the hands of a Vala, fallen or not, again).
The biblical allusion here hearkens back to the fear Tolkien describes Sauron as feeling regarding his return to the Ainur. In the religious system Tolkien has established, which is likely inspired by his own religious beliefs, Sauron has sinned, and must make penance. But he is afraid of God/Manwë, and does not want to "let go" of his sin. In other words, he is not truly repentant. This reflects the Catholic sacrament of confession, which requires self-reflection and resolve to never commit the sin again.
Instead of shame driving him to contrition, it drives him to isolation.
But he still wants forgiveness. So, in his years of hiding in Middle-earth, he decides to earn it himself. His own way.
Enter the Rings.
Sauron wants to perfect the wrong he wreaked so that he can both earn his way back into the Ainur and keep his power. But what he does not realize is that this does not work. Eönwë is clear that he must forsake his true temptation--absolute power--through penance by submission. Yet Sauron in his pride thinks he can have it all. Sauron is a very carefully controlled villain, and the only times he snaps or makes significant mistakes are when his inflated self-perception is challenged, revealing the self-loathing and/or self-pity underneath. The best example of this is when he kills Celebrimbor prematurely, and cries afterwards. Why? Because Celebrimbor was right about him, and he hates it. He hates knowing that he is nothing more than the Morgoth's shadow, because Morgoth was his master as much as he was his tormentor. As Sauron puts it, his relationship with Morgoth was often defined by pain as a test to see "whose will was the mightier":
This image carries more shame, both in its implicit sexual connotations and in the simple power dynamic of it. Sauron, even though misguided, is rallying against Morgoth. He wants to break what Morgoth has created and build something new, something better, something apart from his old master entirely. But Celebrimbor confronts him with reality: he has not created something new, and perfect, and special, as he so wanted to--he can only act in imitation, not in generation. And when he got close with the Rings, it cost him everything. It's almost like he wants the power of a Vala, and loathes that he cannot attain it.
And this is why he becomes so singularly obsessed with Galadriel.
She’s his foil. They both crave power and adoration, but in the end of things, she does not fold under his temptation. She turns down everything she has ever wanted for the greater good and for the sake of her own soul. Sauron looks at Galadriel and perceives that she would have succeeded at Eönwë's test because she is willing and able to humble herself. This maddens him to the point of both desiring her and desiring to break her.
She learns that she is easily tempted and becomes strong enough to handle it (through a lot of tough love from Elrond & co.). She has to learn how to do it, but she is able to.
She grows from someone who resisted and rejected authority to someone who is trusted as an authority because of her ability to wield it wisely (see: Gil-galad allowing her to answer for him in 2x08).
In other words, she earns the trust, love, and support of her community. Sauron has to force his to comply—it is an illusion of love.
His possessive obsession with her also stems from her fairness. She was the object of her uncle Fëanor's obsessive desire for creation as well. Her hair was the inspiration of the Silmarils (see: The History of Galadriel and Celeborn; The Shibboleth of Fëanor - source with page #s here), which Morgoth desired more than anything to possess.
Sauron, wanting to spite his master, wants one better--to own that which inspired the Silmarils, to own the image of fairness (and thus of moral good) completely. This is why he wants to bind himself to her. This is why he needs her. He sees Galadriel as his mechanism of repentance, and his last triumph over Morgoth. Winning her is his salvation as much as it is proving that his will is the mightier. It is his way of dominating Morgoth. This starts, I think, as a genuine effort at proving himself to the Valar, but quickly consumes him entirely. He is overcome with the desire for revenge, just as Galadriel was at the beginning of the First Age.
And he sees this in her. Sees their similarities. Sees that she, too, is angry and lonely and so afraid of losing her power. And he leverages that to befriend her. This is where it gets ambiguous and you can read RoP as either painting the image of Sauron being earnest but completely misguided in his proposal, or you can see it as him being entirely manipulative.
I think the truth of that scene probably falls somewhere in the middle; just like when he presents himself to Eönwë, he is sincere in his desire, but only knows how to present it in an inherently contriving way. He does want to bind her to him, so he tries to only reveal to her the good aspect of that desire (and also of his desire for power, which he allows her to see because he believes that it is good and also because she understands it), and not the ugly underside of his internal struggle against Morgoth, the Valar, and himself.
And I do think, in his own way, he cared about her. Galadriel consistently shows kindness and compassion to him. In S1, they grow to know each other's minds and souls, and she considers him a close friend. He finds comfort in this, that someone could see the blackness of his heart and care for him anyway. He thought, in his isolation, that he lost that chance when he fled back to Middle-earth. And here is the very picture of the light itself telling him that she supports him, that she sees the good in him, that she wants to help him set the world to rights! Of course he is infatuated by this. Of course he also wants to use it. He is Sauron.
But Galadriel succeeds where he fails, so he stops playing nice and tries to forcibly drag her down with him. First, by baiting her with the image of the man she cared deeply for:
Then, by reminding her of all she is losing by rejecting him:
And she is still strong enough to say no. And not just to say no, but to shut the door completely. To look in the face of everything she has desired for centuries and turn it down, understanding that it will ruin her. Yes, she hesitates. Yes, she still wants it (wants him). But she wins the day by holding fast to the light that Sauron wishes so badly to bind himself to.
Because she has lost everything--her brother, her husband, the station as commander, the trust of her high king and best friend--and earns it back only through her resistance of her greatest temptation. It is a struggle, it is painful, it nearly kills her--but she does it. She wins the test that Sauron could not even bear to face.
In their headlong, self-sacrificial tendencies, they are the same. Both view themselves as fundamentally stronger/better than their peers while also being deeply lonely due to their self-imposed isolation (Galadriel's laser-focused hunt for revenge, Sauron's exile in Middle-earth). But to Galadriel, the light is more important than her pride.
For Sauron, the light is his source of pride. He desires it more than anything, but condemns himself to never being able to touch it due to his rejection of Eönwë's offer. Paradoxically, he tries to grasp at it through Galadriel, the living silmaril, and succeeds only in darkening her. We learn from Gil-galad in 2x08 that his crown piercing her flesh in an act of brutal domination nearly strips her soul from her and pitches it into the unseen world. In this, Sauron is saying: If I cannot have you, I will force you to need me. I will break you into loving me.
He says this to Celebrimbor as well. He no longer knows how to love properly. He only knows how to inflict pain until this object of his obessive desire needs him--just like how his immortal spirit was broken into submission by Morgoth. And isn't this revealing of his own sense of self? He refuses to suffer the path of light, but willingly suffers the maddening path of darkness because it is a comfortable, familiar suffering. One, he tells Celebrimbor, he even grew to enjoy (2x08). As the path of the Rings drive him madder and madder, his desire for the light (Galadriel) and the return of his power (Celebrimbor) become further disordered and corrupted until they culminate in him destroying them--and his chance at earning/owning them--entirely.
And this is Sauron's ultimate point of no return (which we will hopefully see in S3 🤞). The razing of Eregion and slaying of Celebrimbor were acts of petty rage he committed when his pride was injured. This was the final nail in the coffin. Galadriel, in her rejection of him, ruins what he sees as his true chance for redemption.
Galadriel, now stepping into the role of Eönwë, re-opens the invitation: "Heal yourself!" (2x08). But in rage and shame and stubborn pride, he turns it down again. I believe this is where his desire to heal Middle-earth shifts fundamentally into desire to dominate Middle-earth. He always wanted to rule, but now he wants to own.
#fae speaks#I spent hours pouring thru the Silm and RoP for this so if you enjoyed please let me know I'd love love love to talk about it more <33#sauron is my favorite freak in all of tolkien's lore rn I want to study him like a bug#btw this is saurondriel (and even silvergifting? if u squint) positive but with loads of nuance. i see haladriel as love and saurondriel as#possession. both are fun in fiction of course but I want to acknowledge how deeply messed up the dynamic is#but also! it's fiction! do whatever you want with it! if you want saurondriel to get a happy ending then do it <3#and send me the fic so i can read it because i'm team half-maia celebrian hehe#also if there are any glaring gaps in my knowledge of the silm pls lemme know it's been a minute since i've read it all the way through#part two will be on beauty and evil in tolkien's cosmology :)#tolkien#the silmarillion#the rings of power#rings of power#trop#rop#sauron#halbrand#annatar#galadriel#sauron x galadriel#saurondriel#haladriel#trop spoilers#trop season 2#trop meta#rop meta#rop theory#trop theory#celebrimbor#my metas
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king shit.
#arcane#ekko#ekko arcane#okay i have said it before#but one thing i love about ekko is the connection to real-world black revolutionaries#not an area where i can call myself an expert#but would say i'm more well-read than your average tumblr user lol#and it sure stood out to me#anyway they better let him do all the revolutionary shit he wants in season 2#he's been having a hell of a time of it#and ekko coming out on top would be a win for black people don't @ me#arcane lol#arcane league of legends
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i know next season is supposed to be lestat focused (and im currently having a breakdown imagining him as a rockstar) but i would give ANYTHING to see a glimpse of how louis and armand were living in the current age before they invited their couple therapist. theres no way they figured out how to use the internet to its full potential. did rashid come over one day to set up their wifi and then ended up their little henchman. are their man snacks found on craigslist or something. armand said he didnt want daniel there so i can only imagine louis was annoying him 24/7 while he was trying to read on his kindle in peace 💀 the way louis is so adamant about getting this book made makes me think he was watching tv and one of those reality shows that covers old musicians came on and he saw lestat and started tweaking because no way did he think about old man dan's book out of no where
#this show is getting me through the kaisoo drought#but at what cost#going genuinely insane#im so excited for season 3. i cant believe i discovered a show that covers ALL of my interests#i literally had a vamp storyline like this on my sims save files so many times#like this is crazy.....#anyways as i was saying... i need this lore#the actual lore is so crazy i forget how wild it is that they invited daniel back after 50 years to redo a book#but like the book was VERY much a way for louis to call for lestat while pretending he isnt#and armand knew this and went crazy because louis is “covertly" trying to leave him or get les back... so why is it happening again.....#or subconciously trying. either way he cant stop thinking about lestat lestat lestat lestat#but why did armand even stay with him when he can see that. he couldve just gave up after the fight and let lestat take him back but didnt#and now 50 years later its literally the same but even worse because louis is speaking about the love along with the hatred so ??????#the books would answer this but i dont wanna read......#im gonna put off the books for 10 years like i did this show and then my mind will be blown#its going to take 2 years for season 3 isnt it.....#i need armand to wipe my memory so that i can forget how great this show is and go about my life#iwtv
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*clenches fists* guys….. I think I miss Kabru….
#I saw an animatic with him and started grinning like an idiot#KABRU I NEED YOU BACK#PLSSS#Kabru of Utaya#Kabruposting#agghggrrafagaggahhahh#Season 2 of dungeon meshi will,without question,break me#It’s really when the Canaries,Kabru and Thistle get to shine and they’re my favourites. Oh and let’s not forget Marcille!!!!#It’s going to be so intense,even reading the manga was so powerful but to hear it voiced w sound effects and animated and the music#hoooo I’m so excited ggrargghhh
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Obey me lesson 12 thoughts and Solomon
Spoilers ahead for Nightbringer and S2 of ObeyMe
At first I thought maybe the curse originally was going to be forced to keep a promise, like most people. I thought about it and it made very little sense given the music and how Thirteen reacted.
So we get comatose, which makes more sense in context with the music. Actually wait no, we’re literally on the verge of death before we’re taken to the HoL where Simeon casts a spell on us and prevents us from dying. Side boys saving our lives <3
But the thing I wanna really talk about is the implications this has for lesson 11. Since we were kinda going off of the assumption that all promises were bounding we assumed Solomon wanted us to make that promise to stop us from siding against humanity. He said he didn’t remember the rule but we all kinda brushed it off as him lying. But since we now know that the making a promise would’ve killed MC, and thus anyone who makes one, Im inclined to believe Solomon when he said he forgot.
MC’s powers are still working to prevent the traps from being deadly because Mammon is turned into a Lil D when he breaks one, like in S2. So if MC’s powers were protecting themselves even slightly, I shudder to think what would’ve happened otherwise. Probably an instant death if I had to guess.
So with all of this, I believe Solomon truly did forget. He’s having a hard time remembering things from this time. Things were crazy at that moment and it could’ve just as easily slipped his mind. I also think he’s being honest when he says he doesn’t remember why Barbatos hates him, as he insists on it many times. That may be me being naive but I do believe he was telling the truth.
Solomon wouldn’t kill MC. No matter how much of a threat they are to the human realm.
In S2 when our powers were out of control and going to destroy all 3 realms Solomon says he was willing to stab Lucifer originally to protect the human realm but since that would upset MC so he wasn’t going to do it.
He puts MC’s feelings over the safety of not just the human realm, but every realm.
The option of killing you doesn’t come up. He’s not even considering it. You even have the dialogue option when he asks what to do to say something along the lines of “Guess we’ll die” and Solomon’s like “Yeah guess we will”
When I tell you S2 is where I fell in love with this man this is what I mean.
Alls this to say, he wouldn’t risk MC’s life for the safety of the human realm. And with the context of S2 it seems almost obvious. Man is down bad, and while he’d love for you to share his values he wouldn’t kill you or endanger your life if you didn’t.
“I just can’t stand the thought of making you angry…of having you hate me. So now I don’t know what to do.”
#obey me nightbringer#obey me nightbringer spoilers#obey me spoilers#obey me shall we date#obey me solomon#obey me discussion#obey me season 2#obey me nightbringer lesson 12#obey me nightbringer lesson 11#the thought that Solomon would even consider endangering MC’s life isn’t the to his character#he was gonna let the human realm DIE to prevent MC from being mad so him#He would not kill them or put them in a coma#yes I’m upset people are misinterpreting my blorbo#<-jk not actually but Solomon has a long history of being misinterpreted in the fandom#mostly because most of the fandom has only read S1#not by choice I believe but still!
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Natsume: You didn't sleep a wink last night. Why not go and grab a few now? Natori [sparkling]: I'm just fine. It takes more than sleep deprivation to dull my dazzling self, so don't you worry your fussy little head. Natsume [concerned]: Nonsense like that is exactly what someone suffering from sleep deprivation would say! Sensei: Oh really? Has he been sleep-deprived every day of his life?
so i've been watching the natsume dub -
#sensei referring to matoba as the 'pirate-princess-tightrope-walker'????? PLSSSS#sensei to natsume about matoba: your wussy little punches won't do jack#also yes sensei he probably has been sleep-deprived every day of his life. this man is a dumpster fire#thanks to qserasera (thank you qserasera!!!) i've been revisiting the natori and matoba episodes#i had started a rewatch earlier this year but got sidetracked early in season 2 so i'm picking up from there#so to refresh my memory i read through the episode summaries i had written for season 1/early season 2#and got SO EMOTIONAL??? just from reading the summaries? what the fuck???#me earlier today: i can't reread le petit prince right now because my heart can't take it#also me: tra la la let's see what natsume is going to do to pulverize my soul into powder today#natsume's book of friends#natsume yuujinchou#natori shuuichi#my posts#anyway i probably would never have tried the dub except that someone put some clips of english dub matoba on here#and i was OBSESSED with the voice acting???#i'm so glad i decided to try it because so many of the line readings are just delightful#natsume and sensei's bickering especially#i don't love madara's youkai voice. and i like the japanese voice playing touko a lot better than the english voice#but it's nice to be able to listen and like do the dishes at the same time! i love subs but you can't really multitask#i guess since this is the dub i should be calling him master not sensei but i'm too used to sensei#i must say though that i'm really enjoying natsume calling him 'master kitty cat' in full earnestness#i don't speak japanese so i wasn't getting the full effect from 'nyanko-sensei'#i get now why tanuma was so embarrassed
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Fanfiction has ruined some of y’all’s brains so badly. Gaiman said to expect 3 seasons of Good Omens. That’s how much content he has planned for the show - meaning there’s a definite end he’s looking towards.
What did you really think s2 was going to be? The two of them running around and then being at the Ritz just like s1? That’s not an interesting show, it’s just fan service fluff. (Which is obviously fun and all but not something you should base 3 seasons of TV show on)
Gaiman told you what has to happen for Crowley and Aziraphale to be together in the show: Aziraphale has to heal from his past ‘relationship’ to be in a healthy one with Crowley. What Nina says about her and Maggie is not just a character talking to fill up run time, it’s the show saying something too.
TL;DR: Aziraphale is in a toxic relationship with heaven and needs to get out of that mindset before he can be with Crowley. It’s natural story progression and some of y’all have fanfic brainrot where everything must be instantly gratifying.
#good omens#good omens spoilers#as someone who’s been here since before the show was even a twinkle in anyone’s eyes#(read the book when I was 15. I was here when the fandom was TINY)#y’all do not know how Gaiman likes to tell his stories. Season 2 and 3 are mostly written by him because Pratchett isn’t here#he’s not going to give you instant gratification. that’s what fanfiction is for. this is a story that is precious to him. he wrote it with#one of his best friends. he’s not being cruel. he doesn’t hate the gays. he’s just trying to write a good story that honors his friend#sometimes I wish the show was never made. the book fandom was so much kinder and had more respect to Gaiman and Pratchett#than the tv show fandom is#not to be all queer elder when I’m barely an actual adult - but some of you lil gays need to calm the fuck down#not every show with a queer couple that isnt instantly hopping onto one another or being cutesy in love is being homophobic#let queer love stories be interesting for fuck’s sake
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correct me if I'm wrong but I was just thinking about the roykeeley in season two of it all, and that fight where Keeley loses it at Roy for being clingy because she can't handle how close they are now that they work in the same building but like,,, Keeley and Roy would have been working in the same building while dating for a good chunk of season one as well.
She started working at Nelson Road before Jamie was even sent back to Manchester. They would of had months working in the same building, so either Roy has always been that clingy and Keeley just didn't mind at first, which I found doubtful given that it only takes her like a week to blow up at him for it in season two, or Roy being clingy is an out of character thing for him to be doing that should've raised some kind of red flag to friends and loved ones that I feel like from what we know about Keeley as a character would've been treated with more empathy than she actually had in the show.
#i'm going off of memory so this might not be anything#but wasn't one of her complaints that he sat quietly in her office reading when they were on break?#girl how is that being clingy and not just regular levels of wanting to spend time with your partner?#I stand by that Roy wasn't in the wrong for that#I actually stand by Roy not being in the wrong for MOST of his relationship with Keeley#I don't even think he was wrong for breaking up with her#I will not ever view breaking off a relationship you aren't happy in as selfish#and I don't care how much the show tries to make me view him as selfish for it or like he threw something good away#no he didn't#just because Keeley was hurt by being broken up with (understandable reaction) does not mean Roy did the wrong thing by breaking up with he#he looked at the way their relationship was going and saw that he wouldn't be happy if he stayed so he left#and the show tried to frame that as a bad thing#“maybe i should've just stuck around and enjoyed it”#no sir that's not how these things work#staying in a failing relationship just because you don't want to be alone isn't healthy you did the right thing#your career and your love life aren't metaphors for each other#and let me be clear Roy and Keeley were 100% a failing relationship right from the start of season 2 with the fight that inspired this post#keeley's feelings about the breakup aren't more valid then Roy's just because she's the hurt party#and they clearly broke up amicably if Keeley is willing to sit down and tell Phoebe about it with him#she wasn't jilted or wronged in any way and the show framing it like that grinds my fucking gears
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i wonder how many people would stop bitching about the writing for this show if they could've binged it all and had at least one scene per episode where someone stated everything explicitly like that one scene w/ satan in futurama
#pay no attention to the man behind the curtain / ooc.#i aim to never be petty on main but i'm letting myself have this one season 2 finale day. i'm sorry but i'm a firm hotd enjoyer.#i see so many dogshit and like willfully uncharitable takes across the web it's WILD#like the way people will bitch about it not being verbatim from a FAKE MEDIEVAL TEXTBOOK#or claim something is 'bad writing' bc they don't like it. or it's 'filler' bc it's slow.#is a pacing in this show just ???? yeah kinda lol but jfc.... get your head out of your ass#'why is alicent camping? that's so stupid' idk man she just lost all control of her life for the SECOND time#and they're ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WHORING HER OUT AGAIN. WHY WOULD SHE STAY? THEY DID A REFERENCE TO THE FAMOUS DROWNED OPHELIA PAINTING#WHAT TO DO YOU THINK SHE MIGHT'VE BEEN CONSIDERING????#'daemon would never betray rhaenyra!!!' YOU'RE TAKING DAEMON TARGARYEN AT HIS WORD?? WHILE THE GHOSTS OF CHRISTMAS ARE READING HIM TO FILTH#daemon has CLAIMED he wanted things like the crown/total authority but REALLY he wanted his brother. he wanted acceptance.#WE'VE SEEN HOW SHIT HE IS AT RULING. HE HATES DOING THAT SHIT!!! HE DOES NOT WANT THE CROWN!!!! IT'S A SYMBOL!!!#'why is alys giving him these dreams?' SHE'S NOT !!! SHE LITERALLY SAID HIS FUCKING BED IS MADE OF WEIRWOOD DID YOU FUCKING MISS THAT?????#okay okay i'm gonna stop i'm stopping.....#i just think that people are still bitter about how got ended or have lost the media literacy for a weekly show#bc i genuinely see more dogshit takes about why the show is bad then i do like.... legit criticism which like... DOES EXIST KLJFDGSLK#negative cw
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I'm not sure if i have anyone to ask so i got a question regarding Good Omens season 2 here
i'm asking pretty much:
Does the second season of Good Omens get better?
Like: i watched the first episode and felt disappointed given how well written and throughrough the first season was. And the second season in the very first episode felt as if it was lacking.
Dad, who i was watching it with, thought it wasn't good. And he's one of those people who can actually tell if a production is well done, bad or just mid. (and He thought the first season was good and enjoyed it even tho he dislikes when authors play around religions in fiction as he finds it mocking toward religions.)
Maybe it was a mistake to re/watch the first season hours before watching the second one, but honestly i'm unsure whether i should watch it further, i might simply skip it? In this case for me the fandom fun is not important, i just want it to be actually good and as thought through as the first season, and i fear it is not the case.
#i cannot let conservative dad sit through a queering of a mid tv show#and 'representation time uwuuuwu!!'#'fandom/shipping pandering uwuuwuwu'#like idk. it's something i fear#sibling said second season mcs are gay and dad did not react to that at all#but if it's only mid but queer then i'd rather not watch further with him at all#carpet talks#Good Omens 2#Good Omens second season#Good omens opinions#Good Omens criticism#also like: One thing is Crowley in the first season crying out that he didn't really want to fall. but if in second season they are going#to make religion look bad then my dad is going to be displeased#so it'd be another reason not to watch#(someone reading this might think my dad only thinks like that about christian stuff and i'm just going to cut it short: siblings offered#him watching a mockery movie on some small country and culture and he wasn't pleased either. :/ He said he really dislikes mocking of any#religion country or culture within popculture
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Finlay Friday-
"We both know why"
Unaired piece of dialogue from Winthrop- "I read the police report from Gig Harbor, like my brother, I know your soul too"
#julie finlay#csi crime scene invesitagtion#csi cbs#season 15#the csi effect#paul winthrop#two things here#one being the fact that this close up of her face cut to a seattle flashback where russell shot jared briscoe#and she had his back#aka#she would obviously go down with any ship to defend russell's actions on the dock#but#point number 2#winthrop read the police report and knows whats in her soul#how he ended up killing her#and he knew she would lie for her boss about what happened on the dock#a third point#that line of dialogue did not air#it was in the script#why didn't they let him say it#was finn no better than a criminal#alas#thats what in implies#anything to get the results she needed/wanted#even I have to slander her sometimes#to understand her better#finlay friday
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I’m so trigger happy with the block button when it comes to Nate. Even people that are only mildly wrong get blocked.
high five anon me too!!! I block people so fast for Nate hate, it's honestly kind of funny. I've not really done this kind of block spree for any other fandom, i just think that their takes are so nuclearly bad. Like are we even watching the same show???
#only hesitation i might have is if a post is vague enough that it might be#someone watching season 2 for the first time and having a gut reaction to the initial nate 'betrayal' scenes#but if its obviously someone watching season 3 and being insanely obtuse on purpose i block instantly#only other thing ive blocked people for in this fandom is them questioning whether boat guy's last comment#meant that rebecca and him actually had sex#like how? can you be so? media illiterate? no reading comprehension? i?#i can elaborate on that if anyone wants but anyway lol#yeah nate hate is not allowed on my dash.#honestly if anyone notices someone who used to spread nate hate comes around to liking him#please let me know because i almost certainly blocked them in the past and would be happy to unblock when they get their redemption arc
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jjk manga spoilers slash 219 leaks in tags bc i am feeling things :((
#jjk spoilers#jjk 219 spoilers#jjk leaks#so. whyat is gege doing to megumi this is sososososososo much worse than death wtf#i was like 'ill stop reading when megumi dies bc he is my fave and i cant take it' THIS IS WORSE. JUST PUT HIM OUT OF HIS MISERY#i know sukuna is trying to kill his soul or whatever but GODDAMN#its so unfortunate because he is obviously a very strong-willed person and its going to take so fucking much to kill his soul and obviously#seeing himself kill tsumiki with no way to stop it hurt him a lot hence that heartbreaking panel of him CRYING#but it didnt kill him and i am obviously screaming hoping for his torture to stop soon but. i feel like this might awaken something#within him#lets take a look back at previous lore#ten shadows technique users have killed like all of the six eyes technique users#meaning ten shadows users have the capability of being stronger than six eyes#which puts megumi > gojo#now if we remember from like what? episode 2? 3? of season 1... yuuji asked gojo if he was strong enough to beat full-powered sukuna#and gojo was like hmm yeah#so gojo > sukuna ?#which under the correct circumstances would mean megumi > gojo > sukuna#so maybe if he gets pissed off // emotional enough he can break through some layer and take control back#i do agree with some people who think this might be a sort of villain origin for him unfortunately though if he does manage to power thru#narratively speaking it would be very satisfying for him to be the one to kill sukuna tho#anywho. can ya'll tell i'm in denial abojt all this lmaoooo
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told myself that i dont care for any of the goo/d ome/ns theories out there but for some reason my brain just went
#season 2 spoilers in the tags so :3#i really suck at theories because i just like to ignore details of canon that i dont like but ill let you read it in the tags anyways#even if it makes me nervous im just a silly goofy guy you know#silly goofy guy syndrome#okay#so#directly from my dms with my fiance (who knows very little about go od ome ns#begin#you know how aziraphale left crowley on earth to go be the supreme archangel of heaven#what if crowley had been the original supreme archangel but was cast out alongside satan and his cohorts on a technicality or something#like he was just chilling and got caught up with the wrong crowd#and thats why the other demons dont really trust crowley. cause he was the fuckin supreme archangel#and when gabriel left that was them introducing the concept of the supreme archangel position being a semi fluid position#also a lot of people headcanon that crowley used to be raphael cause he doesnt show up with the other archangels weve seen in the bible#crowley has also been seen having extremely op abilities when compared to others in the show (ie bending reality and time with the snap of#maybe they can all do that idk i only remember crowley doing insane shit with time#also when he transported him aziraphale satan and adam into the VOID#and then seeing aziraphale take his old position just adds more salt to the wound of him leaving crowley behind#because besides believing heaven is too corrupt to be fixed- it hurts to think that aziraphale could possiblly fix heaven#but crowley couldnt when he was rhe archangel#i know its silly but this was just beamed into my head like a message from god#except its my hyperfixation and autism just shaking hands
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loki | 2x01 + tumblr reactions
#once again begging#kevin feige#to let the next person who writes for teenaged#cassie lang#to read an arc of#allan heinberg#young avengers#marvel comics#or perhaps just hand her to the#loki series#Loki#writers#they need to understand Cassie and#kang the conqueror#Nate Richards#iron lad#are inextricably entangled from her first appearance as an adolescent person#they tried to put him with#janet van dyne#and I love#michelle pfeiffer#as much as anyone but#the wasp#isn’t Kang’s interest. Cassie is#loki season 2#loki season two#SO much more interesting
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