#Good omens opinions

[aduckwithears]

@mizgnomer shared this hi res image, and once I recovered from passing out I realized three things.

Crowley's waistcoat is a beautiful brocade of vines and leaves. We don't know for sure when his plant hobby started, (only that he start "talking" to them after he learned about it in the early 1970s) but now I'm envisioning his Regency/Victorian greenhouse full of exotic plant life and that sounds just glorious. Plant collecting was a popular hobby amongst gentlemen at the time and it isn't too much of a stretch to think that he may have the same plants for 100s of years (they wouldn't dare die) - maybe the plant collection got started around the same time as the bookshop...

That black jewel at his throat looks awfully familiar. It has a different setting than the one on Furfur's ring but... (launching fully into headcanon now) what if the stone is an item of demonic power that gets taken when Crowley is pulled back to Hell and ends up with Furfur? I don't have a good reason for Crowley to have it in the first place, but if someone wants to run with this idea I'd love your thoughts.

1827 Crowley is the best Crowley of season 2 (I KNOW this is controversial but this look kills me dead I am deceased)

[inthecarpets]

I'm not sure if i have anyone to ask so i got a question regarding Good Omens season 2 here

i'm asking pretty much:

Does the second season of Good Omens get better?

Like: i watched the first episode and felt disappointed given how well written and throughrough the first season was. And the second season in the very first episode felt as if it was lacking.

Dad, who i was watching it with, thought it wasn't good. And he's one of those people who can actually tell if a production is well done, bad or just mid. (and He thought the first season was good and enjoyed it even tho he dislikes when authors play around religions in fiction as he finds it mocking toward religions.)

Maybe it was a mistake to re/watch the first season hours before watching the second one, but honestly i'm unsure whether i should watch it further, i might simply skip it? In this case for me the fandom fun is not important, i just want it to be actually good and as thought through as the first season, and i fear it is not the case.

[kneelbeforeyourdogbabylon]

I love this post but I also love that it made me stare at that napkin dabbing scene for at LEAST six cycles -- it's BANANAS flirty.

Friendly reminder that since a bag of popcorn was the only food we saw Crowley actually get for himself on screen through both seasons of Good Omens, it’s perfectly safe to imagine this disaster of a demon living exclusively off junk food*, kids menu**, and alcohol***.

*Including the slice of angel cake he shared with Aziraphale during one of their dates debriefs right before Warlock’s eleventh birthday. A book scene we were robbed of in lieu of its mere shadow, by the way.

**Like the crêpes they had back in 1793 after sorting out all of that discorporation nonsense.

***Completely self-explanatory.

[hollow-head]

My new hobby is buying plants from yard sales and today i bought one from a charming woman with a very thick accent

[nofomogirl]

Good Omens (possibly) unpopular opinion

Do you know what is a peak irony in this fandom?

When a person vehemently condemns Aziraphale's black-and-white approach to morality and rhapsodizes how sage Crowley is for his nuanced shades-of-grey outlook when the evident reason this person sympathizes with Crowley so much more is because he and his circumstances are more black-and-white and easy to judge while Aziraphale's case is far more complex and challenging to evaluate, with blurred lines everywhere.

This was supposed to be a paragraph in a longer meta but I decided to post it separately anyway.

[bildadshusband]

this fandom is so horny for david and michael

not to call you out or anything, but i think the main reason why the headcanon of aziraphale being dom and crowley being sub is so popular, is because you want to fuck david tennant, and you want to be fucked by michael sheen.

not that i don’t like the dynamic, but you���re all just horny for these 50 year old british men in specific ways ✨

[astrhae]

+ bonus:

aziraphale not changing crowley's clothes (not even to add a tartan collar)

[amaloaf]

dynamics shift

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good omens + text posts (part 9)

an assortment i made last year with some season 2 mixed in for variety :3c

[mobius-m-mobius]

#brb telling detective Aziraphale everything I know

[di-42]

@andsomemaniacgotridofthewheel, hi.

I'm one of those who think Aziraphale was threatened and I wanted to tell you the reasons why. I'll try to organise my thoughts in a coherent way!

So, first off I don't rule out 100% that Aziraphale might willingly go back to heaven generally but I strongly believe this is not the case because of the way the story was presented to us. You say that the Metatron knew what he had to offer for Aziraphale to accept but to me it looks like Aziraphale wasn't interested in what the Metatron offered. To me it looked like Aziraphale just wanted to live his life and be done with heaven (bearing in mind Aziraphale didn't know about the second coming until much later, he didn't know what this vague big project was). And to me the way he acts with Crowley doesn't seem sincere at all, to it looks like he's nervous because there's something he's not telling Crowley and doesn't want to tell Crowley. I feel Aziraphale using expressions like "heaven is the side of the truth and the light" "you are the bad guys" and especially "second in command" is completely out of character for him, I feel like he's trying to actuality drive Crowley away with those sentences because why would he be so hurtful otherwise? Assuming we both believe Aziraphale would never want to hurt Crowley, I think the only reason he said those things was to try and protect him.

Also, you said the Metatron knew Crowley wouldn't go back to heaven. I agree, the Metatron knew and we all knew. How could Aziraphale not know? Aziraphale might not know the reason why Crowley fell, he might remember the happy Starmaker but he surely knows Crowley's feelings towards heaven, he surely knows he won't go back. And while Aziraphale might have chosen to go heaven freely and thought Crowley would understand his decision, I can't and will not believe he might have not known how much he was going to hurt Crowley by suggesting to reinstate him as an angel (and I think this was what broke Crowley, not that Aziraphale left to do the right thing).

So, these are my reasons for thinking Aziraphale was threatened, even though like I said I don't deny that in different circumstances Aziraphale might have made that choice more freely to try and change things.

Why is it always either

"Aziraphale wanted to go to heaven, he was happy and giddy about it, and he never really cared about Crowley anyway, only about Starmaker"

OR

"Aziraphale would have never ever gone to Heaven out of his own free will, he was clearly horribly threatened and forced!"

Why does everyone always have to reach for the extremes?

No, Aziraphale obviously absolutely did n.o.t. WANT to go to Heaven. He doesn't like Heaven, he likes Earth. Even if the other angels weren't all jerks and bullies, which he absolutely knows they are! I mean, duh!

But that doesn't automatically mean he would never have made that decision on his own! I liked the post from the health care worker who wrote that if they were suddenly offered the position of Minister of Health, they would just have to take it, even though they knew that they would be surrounded by awful people and end up fighting and probably losing an uphill battle, being absolutely miserable and frustrated. But they wouldn't be able to look at themselves in the mirror anymore if they didn't at least try. Because they'd feel they failed their duty to their patients.

Was there never anything you really REALLY did NOT want to do but still HAD to???

We absolutely do not need to talk about "Aziraphale not caring about Crowley" here, if that is actually something you really think, please just leave my blog. I don't even know what show were you watching, but it wasn't Good Omens.

Was Aziraphale threatened? Maybe. It's definitely possible. But I don't think so. The Metatron knew exactly what he had to offer, and in which order, to convince Aziraphale. Why unnecessarily antagonise him, he doesn't need to use the stick if he knows how to sell him on the carrot! I don't think the Metatron is that crude.

Which brings me to my next point:

people also seem to wonder about the shared look of contempt between the Metatron and Crowley.

But you realise that the Metatron was there when shit went down in Heaven, right? He knows what exactly it was that led to Crowley falling. Aziraphale might have been a soldier in the war back then, but it is extremely unlikely that in his position he actually witnessed the key moments that started the rebellion.

But the Metatron, the Voice of God, the angel with such a high rank that he is somehow actually outside their hirarchy, did. There might even have been a direct confrontation between the angel with questions and the VOICE OF GOD, who couldn't/wouldn't/didn't want to relate any answers.

And it is safe to assume that Crowley never told Aziraphale any details. In 1862 he still maintained the "sauntered vaguely downwards" fable, in line with his carefully built cool guy image. His drunken monologue after the bookshop fire comes a little closer to the truth ("looky here, it's Lucifer and the guys, [...] food hadn't been that good lately, I'd got nothing on for the rest of that afternoon"), but even here he very much pretends that he never really cared. Now that we have seen the innocence and enthusiasm of Starmaker, we know that's not true. Something big happened to that cheerful worriless angel, something not caused by the Fall, but causing it. The questioning was only the start of it.

There is a strong possibility that Crowley might even have tried to change things himself, back before the Fall, and most likely crashed and burned failed spectacularly. Again, all witnessed directly by the Metatron.

Aziraphale doesn't know that, though. He only has a vague idea about it and a sense of injustice and unfairness. And the Metatron, master-manipulator and -mind, knows that as well.

He also knows that, on the surface obedient but covertly subversive, little soldier angel Aziraphale, probably a lot better than Aziraphale is aware he does. They probably never had any close contact, but who knows what kind of research Heaven can do?

We don't need to go into detail about how he manipulated Aziraphale, other people have done so already. But it is important to state that by offering explicitly the opportunity to change things in Heaven, he got Aziraphale's love for life on Earth and his desire to do good fighting for dominance within him. But he would never have been able to convince him to leave Crowley. So he solves the main conflict for Aziraphale, telling him he could take Crowley with him! Definitely knowing that Crowley absolutely would NOT want that. Awful conundrum avoided!

I am not even saying that Aziraphale didn't know he was manipulated. He didn't know that Crowley's reaction to going to Heaven would be that severe, and he probably also doesn't know that the Metatron very well did, when he made him the offer. But he might have absolutely caught on to the Metatrons manipulating language, his ingratiating and patronising. But still - the opportunity to change things! To actually make Heaven better! Maybe he really did misjudge him! (Let's not forget that Aziraphale's previous experience with the Metatron was a 2-minute-conversation, why should it be so impossible that he changed his mind for the better since then?)

And then all this culminated - aided by millennia of little miscommunications and THE worst timing e.v.e.r. (I am actually more suspicious of Nina & Maggie's role in the whole thing, because there is so much that doesn't make sense about their little pep talk) - in the Final Fifteen. Crowley reacting differently to his news than he thought. Then offering the ONE thing he wants most in the world. But to get it, he would have to say to himself "yeah I WANT this and I'll take it even if Heaven stays the way it is, that's not my problem", and all that in the space of just a few minutes. Putting him on the spot.

Can't you see how "you go too fast for me"-after-being-at-it-for-almost-6000-years-Aziraphale was completely thrown by everything? Didn't you see how close he came to changing his mind after Crowley walked out? Are we sure he wouldn't have, if the Metatron hadn't been there immediately to usher him to his new duty? How is an angel supposed to calm down, think it through, and look at the problem from every possible angle under these circumstances? Having the choice between betraying everything you are to get everything you ever wanted, or losing everything that is dear to you but having done the right thing, and you don't even get a minute?

Again, we have one Fallen Angel who has a most likely violent experience trying to change Heaven. And another Angel who hasn't had the chance to try yet. Of course they're not on the same page. But they also don't really have time to compare notes. Your exactly means something different than my exactly.

And one more thing: Aziraphale's "I forgive you" is a direct callback to their bandstand break-up. He desperately wants this blow-up to be temporary, to end well like the other time. It's the first thing he can think of. It's his way of saying "maybe later", "I can't, not yet", or even "wait for me".

And Crowley knows that, he isn't hurt or offended because he thinks Aziraphale believes he needs forgiveness, he understands perfectly well what his angel is saying. Which is why it is his "don't bother" that breaks my heart. Because that means he (thinks he) is done waiting. He can't do it anymore. He finally put himself out there and his angel still isn't ready. So he's stepping out of their little dance routine.

Yes, Aziraphale walked out the door. But Crowley closed it after him.

[aduckwithears]

Unpopular good omens 3 opinion? I don’t want to see Starmaker/Crowley’s Fall. Feels like his business, y’know?

[alphacentaurinebula]

Unpopular opinion - I don’t think Crowley has lost any memories at all? I don’t think he was mind-wiped in the fall, or otherwise. I think he’s just kind of… being a dick to Furfur and Saraqael? He’s just messing with them. And simply didn’t care enough to remember the details of gravity.

[nastasya--filippovna]

Crush Culture; Conan Gray x Beatrice and Benedick (Much Ado About Nothing 2011)

For me these two will always be ace icons. Thank you Shakespeare for writing Ace characters that can and do fall in love.

There's this general misunderstanding that just 'cause you're Ace ergo you're also Aro. Aro and Ace are two separate identities. Some people on the spectrum identify a both Aro and ace hence they're Aroace (simple really!)

And I think that's the same misunderstanding these two have internalized. They've been told that just because you don't like someone "like that" also means that you are not capable of loving.... that love is just "not for you".

So here's to all the Ace people who have those who will find their love, their soulmate, and whoever matches their freak. I love you all!

Lovely moots: @a-singing-lunatic @shadesofecclescakes @suburbia-and-brentwood-market @glitterypin @angie-words

@davidtennantgenderenvy @dreamsfrozenincandyland @turtleneck-crowley @dtmsrpfcringe @princeloww

@consanguinitatum @mystic-mae @cranberry-sniffer

It would mean so much to my pathetic low self-esteem ass if you checked out my edit!! Lots of love 😘

[averywiseanimatedcat]

Just leaving this here for the fandom’s consideration…

[twilightcitysky]

This post is less Good Omens- related and more personal, but there's been a lot of arguing over "representation" in the fandom the past few days. The strong feelings people express are awesome but ALSO I really want us in the community to appreciate and listen to one another.

People want to KILL queer people. There are still many, many places where it is not safe to have any identity other than cis het. Fighting that means sticking together, not tearing each OTHER apart. Allosexual, asexual, lesbian, gay, cis, trans, nonbinary, gender queer, GNC... we're all part of this community and we're stronger together.

In Good Omens, Neil Gaiman gave us a glimpse of what a world could be if people got to decide for themselves how to present and who to love without the hate and prejudice that inevitably comes along with that in the real world. I know people are questioning exactly what Crowley and Aziraphale are and how they identify, which is fine (honestly I don't know that we'll ever find out for sure. It may be something private between the two of them). But saying things like "it's homophobic" (for them to be ace), or "it's acephobic" (for them to be gay) sort of defeats the purpose of "it's a love story", doesn't it? At the end of the day, maybe it doesn't matter what EXACTLY they are. They're unapologetically QUEER and their story is for and about all of us.

It's okay to disagree. It's okay to ask questions. I mean, that's the moral of Good Omens, isn't it? We don't have to be the same; we SHOULDN'T all be the same... there's strength and beauty in our differences. But even if we don't all agree with one another, let's support each other.

I see them as gay male coded beings who have chosen that identity for themselves and would enjoy sexual pleasure as much as any other earthly pleasure. If YOU see them as agender or nonbinary sexless entities who are QPR or ace or aroace and would never have sex, I SUPPORT THE HELL OUT OF YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO. I'm in your corner and I will fight for you.

Love you all. Love that we love the ineffable love story of Good Omens, whatever form that takes, and let's lift each other up rather than tearing each other down.