#lesbian!alastor

[barblaz-arts]

Vaggie: Adam and Alastor suck.

Lucifer: Would you be interested in being promoted to "Daughter-in-law"?

[bunnylove1]

MOTHER.

Men don’t let me catch y’all simping and lookin at her

she is quite literally for the women and only the women

HER WITH SHORT HAIR OH MOTHER OH MAN

[carlizwall]

Go lesbians! 🩷

For @/Soft Cocoa's DTIYS on twt and bsky:

[cosmodessine]

All I have to say is that Vaggie is most definitely a LESBIAN

[certifiablyinsanez]

Mammon is great ace representation: an essay on aphobia in the Hellaverse fandom

I’m seeing a lot of people be mad about Mammon having a thing for Leviathan. And I’m going to need the fandom to step back and examine these issues, because they are 100% rooted in aphobia. I have been out as an oriented aroace person for over 10 years if you want to doubt my credentials, rather than listen to my analysis, lived experience and reflect.

So. Tell me Hellaverse fandom; why, when it comes to Alastor, who is a character who very clearly has zero interest in others, it is always a chorus of people saying “aces can have sex”, “aces can enjoy sex”, “it’s not harmful to the ace community to use Alastor for shipping material, he isn’t real and asexuality and aromanticism is a huge spectrum”, “Aroace people can still date and have sex”?

But when it comes to Mammon, he is “bad asexual representation”, he “clearly experiences sexual attraction”, “he can’t be demisexual”, etc.

No genuinely, why is this? I want you to examine this, think on it from a place of neutral examination and come to your own conclusions. Because this is a worrisome double standard. This can for starters, be an instance of fat phobia. Because out of the two of them, Alastor is thin, and therefore closer to the beauty standard, which is hysterical considering that Alastor canonically has horrible hygiene, and I don’t think I know a single person who thinks that stank ass body and breath is attractive. Mammon, as seen from the slovenly way he eats, can potentially be assumed to have poor hygiene as well, but it has a very different connotation because of his weight. [Research the connection between thin privilege and body odor/hygiene. It’s very real].

I can spend a lot of time and energy going into the shipping dynamics between the shows, as well as how Alastor is a more “shippable” character in comparison to Mammon, but I honestly don’t find this as interesting or as compelling as to what I’m about to say next.

Because aphobia in the real world is still very alive and well today. In my 10+ years of being in the ace community, I have genuinely spent a lot of emotional energy, time, knowledge, experience, and compassion, just fighting for the right to even be acknowledged as queer. I have vivid memories from when I was first out of the closet at the age of 16, telling ace people across apps and forums that they were valid, that they weren’t broken, that they were deserving of love, respect, and a place in the queer community. I was telling people, younger, my age, and older that they shouldn’t kill themselves, that they had worth beyond what they could do in the bedroom for others. I had to convince people that they didn’t owe anyone sex, and that they were in fact being sexually abused by their partners. I was on the phone with people in tears. I spent HOURS of my life in these DMs at an age where I was a suffering, mentally ill queer child that was also being victimized by aphobia. Still to this day people think the “A” stands for ally. And still to this day people have discord about our community as a whole. I have had to sit and watch as people went from loudly proclaiming with their whole chest that asexual people didn’t exist, or at the very least weren’t queer. Then years went by and it became less and less okay to say things like that, because asexual people finally had fought long enough and had supported each other enough that we discovered our voices and began to use them. So people were finally facing the consequences of saying bigoted shit.

And now that they can’t say that asexuals aren’t queer, they moved on to another group. Demisexuals. Demisexuals by far have it roughest, because while there are many micro labels in our community to explain our diverse range of experiences, demisexual is probably the most well known one. And every handful of months or so I have to use my voice once again to stand up for my people, because an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, and people on the internet have made it clear that they have no qualms of attacking us. The asexual and aromantic community have made extremely valuable contributions to the queer community that are entirely overlooked because we are not valued in it.

And this is why I have been an outspoken proponent of my displeasure over Alastor being a character that is the most shipped with others, and my disdain for the fanbase has grown even wider after Mammons appearance in Mastermind. It is a painful reminder of all the discrimination I’ve faced over the years, that my community still goes through. Because people are contrarians. Alastor is canonically asexual, and other aspects of his character are reflective of aromanticism as well. Well, the fanbase doesn’t like this so much. If you genuinely pay attention, you’ll notice this is a trend with a lot of other aroace characters. My favorite example is Peridot from Steven Universe, a canonical aroace character. In the show, Peridot goes through a lot of unlearning and growth. The scene where she tries to fuse with Garnet has massive implications for a few reasons. Because one, she is genuine in her desire to understand Garnet, and fusion better. And two, fusion while forbidden on Homeworld, is commonplace and normal in the Crystal Gems. As a Crystal Gem, she feels this is what is now expected of her. This is a major experience in the aspec community, as living in a cis heteronormative society means that sex, marriage and children are all things expected of each individual, which is dangerous and harmful ideology to everyone, asexual/aromantic people as well. Peridot couldn’t go through with the fusion, but that didn’t stop the fandom salivating, and foaming at the mouth over a potential Lapis/Peridot fusion. People were genuinely mad at Rebecca Sugar for never making that pairing canon, when they had absolutely no right to behave the way they did. Let’s not forget how the fans also misgendered Rebecca Sugar constantly. It was absolutely bigoted.

This is happening with Alastor. Fans feel entitled to ship him with whomever, an entitlement that is not seen with other characters. When people ship Vaggie with Angel, there is backlash, and for good reason. Because people understand that despite the fact that Vivienne Medrano said people can ship whatever, shipping a gay man with a woman and a gay woman with a man is…gross. It is wrong, it is disrespectful of their identities, and is forcing heteronormativity onto characters that are strict in their sexualities. Most people are able to recognize the thinly veiled homophobia. But Alastor does not receive the same treatment, and in fact receives the opposite treatment. I don’t know what I could say to convince you that the aroace coded character in a show being the #1 most shipped is thinly veiled aphobia the same way Vaggie x Angel is thinly veiled homophobia.

Now what does that have to do with Mammon? Mammon seems to not be aroace coded like Alastor, and for some reason, that has thoroughly pissed people off. Because Mammon is not the “acceptable” caricature of an asexual person. Most allosexual (non-asexual and/or aromantic people) view being asexual as being synonymous with being aromantic, which shows a painful lack of understanding and at times respect for the diversity of our community. Alastor fits this category, so he’s an “acceptable asexual”, while also essentially being a toy for shippers. But Mammon, with his clear attraction to Leviathan, is a “bastardization” of the asexual image. When we aren’t being viewed as broken, we’re often being viewed as chaste, virginal, and innocent with attachments to infantilization. But Mammon, with his aggressive and even icky approach to flirting with Leviathan, is seen as a subversion of this, which for people who don’t understand our community, hate. And these people are blaming Vivienne for having “terrible ace rep” when in actuality, having multiple ace characters having very little in common is actually fantastic rep. Because there are many labels in our community that Mammon can fit into as an asexual. To me, he looks like a sex-positive, high libido, demisexual. He’s known Leviathan for thousands of years, of course it makes sense that he would be into her, but not into anyone else which would explain why his “posse” are just female robots. This could also be because of his classism, but I genuinely think that he’s just demisexual. And you already know how people feel about demisexuals.

If you’ve read this far and have genuinely set aside your biases and personal feelings like I requested in the beginning, I appreciate that. Because from my own lived experience, the double standard between Alastor and Mammon doesn’t annoy me; it frightens me.

Because what the fandom is actually saying when they do these things is this:

“We see you as a homogenous group. Your voices go in one ear and out the other. If you don’t conform to our values and standards, we won’t give you the respect or recognition you deserve. If you don’t conform to my view of your group, you lose my “allyship”. We do not see your identity as a sexuality in its own right, but rather a literary device we can play with. I do not care to learn more about your community, your culture, or your struggles. I barely (if at all) acknowledge you as your own sexual minority and marginalized group. I barely acknowledge (if at all) that you are queer at all. I do not care about your feelings about societal biases that I might carry, I don’t care about how you’ve lived it, because it takes away my fun and fantasies. Because I devalue your group as a whole, your voices mean little. Your narrative is mine to do with as I please.”

I really hope you can see my perspective and understand the sincere place this comes from. Thanks for reading.

[kavaxxx]

You can tell I'm on my period whenever I start posting saphhic art 😭

[cupidsncheerios]

i feel that an untouched niche in the radiostatic fandom is homophobic homosexual vox and alastor.

because let's be real. neither of them are happy to be dating a man! vox is the epitome of 1950s toxic masculinity and has never dared to glance at his gayness before hell lest it destroy his career, and alastor hates men enough that when he realized he was in love with one he probably considered camping during the extermination!

i think both of them would have a strong enough "man, if only he was a woman" thought process through this that they'd eventually simultaneously realize "wait... if i just think of him as a woman, then it'll all be fine!" and this works for about a week until they get into a fight about who gets to hold the door and it hits them that they've accidentally psyop-ed themselves into a lesbian relationship

[thereifling]

Hazbin Hotel human au

[illbeyourkeeper]

Queer Representation We Have in the Hellaverse - a master post

The Helluva Boss Twitter page released art mass-confirming several characters' sexualities. I decided to create a master post of all of the queer representation in both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel

Lesbian

Vaggie

Sallie May

Gay

Angel Dust

Stolas

Fizzarolli

Andrealphus

Burnie Burnz

Dennis

Vassago

Alessio

Bisexual

Charlie Morningstar

Cherri Bomb

Sir Pentious

Vox

Travis

Moxxie

Loona

Martha

Mrs. Mayberry

Transgender

Sallie May

These two background imps

Asexual

Alastor

Octavia

Mammon

Aromantic

Alastor

Pansexual

Husk

Valentino

Blitzø

Barbie Wire

Asmodeus

Beelzebub

Verosika and every member of her entourage

Chaz

[jollmaster]

the only genderbend option that's acceptable to me in their case is fem!Alastor/Rosie, because full genderbend would have absolutely different dynamic given Alastor's dislike of men

sapphic asexual cannibal wives yeah

[vaggiesvagina]

HAPPY PRIDE MONTH Y'ALL!

[goldenamaranthe-blog]

Taco Tuesday: Hazbin Hotel

Angel: (busts into the hotel with five bags of Taco Hell) Bitches, prepare your guts! It's Taco Tuesday!

Husker: Motherfucker, it's fuckin' Thursday.

Angel: To-may-to, po-tay-to, you gonna help me demolish $100 hellbucks worth of bad fast food Mexican or not?

Husker: .......Put me in.

Angel: (tosses bag to Husk) Here, go!

Cherri: I'm all in, dickhead! Toss me a bag!

Angel: (tosses another bag to Cherri) Here ya go!

Charlie: I'll have one or two if you're offering. I've never had Taco Hell before.

Angel: (throws three individual tacos to Charlie) Head's up!

Charlie: Ah! Ouph! (fumbling the tacos) Shit! I got 'em!

Angel: Al, ya in or what?

Alastor: You wouldn't catch me double dead eating that garbage.

Angel: What? You can eat rotten deer, but Taco Hell is too gross for ya? Hmph! (drops a bag in Vaggie's lap) Here ya go, Vags.

Vaggie: Wow, way to just assume I would want my own bag. Is that you being sexist or racist?

Angel: Realist. I've seen you demolish a whole pot of taco meat during monthly taco nights here when you think no one's lookin'.

Vaggie: And I fully intend to obliterate this bag, which doesn't change my initial statement. (unwraps a taco and practically inhales it)

Angel: Yeah, that's what I thought. Big Daddy Luci want in?

Charlie: (slowly eating her first taco and shakes her head) Mm-mm. Dad doesn't do well with spices or hispanic cuisine in general.... or fast food....

Angel: Alright, well, we got a spare bag for anyone who wants more. (digs into his own bag)

Husker: (unwraps a taco and tilts his head left and right to figure out how he wants to eat) Hmmmm.... When you guys eat a taco, do you tilt your head left or right?

Vaggie: (already halfway through her bag) Neither, the thighs typically keep my head firmly in place.

-Record Screech-

Hazbins: (absolutely shocked)

Charlie: (beet red and horns out as she hides behind a taco wrapper)

Vaggie: .......I said that out loud, didn't I?

Angel: Yeah, you did! Hahahahahahaha!!! Playing up that stereotype, ain'tcha, bitch?! This is almost as good as Selma Hayek playing the lesbian taco in "Sausage Party"!!!

[nervousninja-art]

Vaggie (aka my wife) doing some stretches (definitely not an excuse to draw her in sexy poses what who said that) her wings were really fun to pose and play around with 🪽 ❌ 🎀💕

[spacebubblehomebase]

Ur art style is edible💕

Is it now? 🤔 Well, if you say so! Ty!!! 💕

-Bubbly💙

[galaxytoons]

@hiemaldesirae YIPPEE YIPPEE YIPPEE

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[culssi]

It’s pride month wooo

Idk you probably know this, I’m aroace! I love being aroace :) to me it just doesn’t feel right to ever be in a sexual or romantic relationship but I love having friends and I love my best friend Gracie ( @llserenell . Celebrate this gay)₊˚⊹♡

Undercut for ugly ass Alastor drawing I did

Aroace king ᯓ ᡣ𐭩