#leftist xenophobia

[bisexualmikisayaka]

okay I’m taking a break tonight but it really is fascinating how cassian fails to integrate into the rebellion vs how syril is ushered in with open arms. syril says all the right stuff over the tapped line to get himself picked but when he’s actually talking to the ghorman front he can’t stop being, well, syril - he’s awkward, halting, hesitant. and yet the ghormans welcome him in with open arms, even taking his firing record as a sign that he’s their man and could never be setting them up. there is some measure of opsec, but they want him to be on their side. but cassian - another representative of a voice on the radio - is too self assured. his expertise makes him too critical, too standoffish to the ghormans. even though what he tells them is true - that they’re not careful enough, that theft is easy but getaway is hardest (aldhani, anyone?), that practically announcing yourself only leads to more repression - they read him as dispassionate rather than burdened by what he’s lived, and that drives them further into the arms of their true enemy.

we as the audience know that the root of cassian’s concerns are justified (cassian, as shown by the expression on his face during the bar exchange and also every part of andor, knows well what happens to dreamers in this fight), and we’re also aware how much he knows it’s just as much an information war as it is a physical one. but the ghormans have experienced prosperity for decades and, save the tarkin massacre, have largely avoided the most punishing yokes of the empire until now. they have no idea how bad it can get, but it is plenty bad now, and as such, they cannot continue to accept this treatment. syril seems like the answer to striking back, whereas cassian asks them to bide their time and wait and consider a less showy, less meaningful angle. it makes sense, and it will also make it that much more painful when we ultimately watch everything fall apart

[hilacopter]

"omg not israelis asking to be treated with basic human decency when there's licherally a genocide in gaza, this is proof they're privileged white colonizers" die

[thirdmagic]

everytime i look at how people compare the way russian citizens are treated in light of the russian invasion of ukraine and the way israeli people and jews are treated after oct 7th and it just.... you know, as a person who belongs to all of these cultures, it always feels extremely disingenuous to me and very untruthful

[idiosyncraticrednebula]

One of the best analyses of this movie, and specially Ariel as a character and what she represents, I've listened to so far.

[plantfeline]

literally i make a new twitter account just to tweet stuff at phil for the phan twt vid, just for dan to say the entire continent of asia has homophobic governments in like a weird flippant joke and then backtrack with a proper statement about expanding the tour a few hours later and also hes got a ‘mullet’ now

[hilacopter]

"I don't hate Jews just Israelis" ok so you hate half the Jews. because of the country they happen to live in. and the shitty government they don't even support. cool.

[k33p-c4lm-4nd-c4rr10n]

I will never understand how so many people fell for such a wildly antisemitic rabbit hole so easily, and convinced themselves they were the underdogs? When Jewish people — especially Israelis — have lost practically everything socially ever since October seventh? Friends, partners, perceived allies, platforms, safe spaces, and for some, even family. All because antisemitism became the hot new thing. Guess all it took was for it to be flimsily rebranded as “antizionism” for nearly every leftist to eat it up like candy.

It’s funny how the ones constantly telling Zionists (or just any Jew, really) to shut up, are the very same who fill the air with incoherent yelling and incessant screams for violence and fear. For, not of. For, not against. For as long as you can rebrand it as “revolutionary”, then it’s ok, right?

“I support it,” they said. “No matter what. Because it’s just too much to ask of those poor, poor martyrs. You see, the only way to save innocents is to kill other innocents instead. And do horrible, torturous things to them til they meet their grave. Revolution at its finest. And it’s all ok, glorious, even. Because it’s being done by the good guys. Those poor, poor underdogs. You see, why would you possibly expect any semblance of moral standard from them? What do you mean I sound terrible right now? ‘Racism of low expectations’? I’ve never heard that. You’re making it up. They can’t help it. It’s their culture. it’s revolutionary. By any means necessary. How dare you say I sound like a nazi? It’s just revolution. You know, like the French, or Soviet Russia. Revolution fixes things, you’ll see. We just need more bodies. The road to peace is paved in blood. Good guys say that. I’m in the right. We are always in the right. That’s what facists say? You’re crazy. You’re insane, actually. Genocidal, even. By the way all zionists deserve to die. I don’t care if that means 80% of Jews. You know, I always had a weird feeling about them. Zionists, I mean. That’s what I meant. Dog whistle? Those aren’t real. They made them up. Who’s they? The Zionists, of course. I’m the least bigoted person you’ll ever meet.”

For those who lack reading comprehension: EVERYTHING I just put into quotations was meant to be from the mouth of the average antizionist who simultaneously exhibits extreme prejudice against Jews and extreme xenophobia against Israelis, while ALSO being extremely racist and islamophobic to the very people they claim to advocate for! It will never free Palestine to support Hamas. It will never free Palestine to dehumanize ANY side, let alone both. If this post angers you, then you know what kind of a person you are. Deep down, you know how far you’ve fallen.

[hilacopter]

I have given up at trying to get people to treat us with any sort of basic human decency. I'll see people wishing for Israelis to get killed, raped, tortured etc, people telling us to "go back where we came from" yet simultaneously talking about how violence and hate crimes are justified for any filthy Israelis who dare step foot in another country, people telling us we don't deserve a single moment of security or peace in our lives because we dared be born in the one country that's safe for us, and people ON JUMBLR will go "they're clearly using Israeli as a dogwhistle for Jew so it's fucked up" "half of the world's Jews are there so it's antisemitic and therefore fucked up" as if it wouldn't be otherwise. I've given up at this point because I've realised no matter how much we try we can't justify our existences to anyone. All I can really do is lean into the argument in the ridiculous hope people will at least see us alongside diaspora Jews, as a part of the Jewish community as a whole, because sure people don't really like Jews anymore but at least they have to pretend like they do.

[charlesoberonn]

Reactionary Far-Right Voters: I vote for anti-immigrant anti-diversity politicians because I don't want people I view as my inferiors to be equal residents in my country.

Leftists Who Think Politics Are Only About Material Conditions: What they're really upset about is corporate greed depreciating their wages. That's why they're lashing out.

Reactionary Voters: No, I'm not? My wages aren't a concern. I just hate gay and brown people.

Leftists: They've been abandoned by the establishment.

Reactionary Voters: No, the establishment still treats me pretty well. I just hate that minorities are also being treated better. I miss the days when it was just my group in charge.

Leftists: They can't relate to the elitist mainstream media.

Reactionary Voters: I don't listen to the mainstream media. I only listen to hyper-conservative media figures who instill fear and distrust.

Leftists: They're a frustrated and neglected working class.

Reactionary Voters: All of my heroes are millionaires and billionaires. Stop erasing my xenophobia and supremacist beliefs! They paid a lot to teach it to me.

Leftists: This is liberalism's fault.

[queer-scots-geordie-dyke]

I think Americans in particular really need to understand that the concept of white privilege as it works in US society and politics is not one that can be universally applied.

As just one small example, try telling a Slav living here in the UK that in the midst of the constant media and public onslaught of xenophobia against Eastern Europeans (and let me tell you, it is *constant*) that they possess white privilege, they would likely laugh in your face.

And that's not even touching the entirely conditional status of 'white' given to white passing Jews, who are white when it's convenient to paint them as oppressors in leftist's coloniser fantasies and then relegated to 'lesser' status by white supremacists.

It's a far more nuanced issue in most of the world than "white vs. everyone else."

[xclowniex]

There is just something so disheartening about Israeli's who leave Israel, getting excluded by the left for being Israeli. Its not suprising tbh but it is disheartening

On the obvious side of things, its just straight up xenophobia.

On the less obvious but still kinda obvious side, it shows that jews are not welcome anywhere.

You can be an Israeli jew who chose to leave Israel, the thing which a lot of leftists are calling for, and still not be good enough because you were once in Israel.

The goal post keeps moving from one shitty point to the next shitty point. It was intially about demonzing Israeli jews, now its about demonizing Israeli jews who have moved to the diaspora. Soon it will be about demonizing diaspora jews who ehave either friends or family or both in Israel and all of the above groups encompass the majority of the jewish population, regardless of their stance on zionism. Then the goalpost will move again to jews who don't know anyone in Israel, but is friends with a jew who does.

It all just feels like they don't want us to live in any capacity.

[librastrai]

you don’t have to post this but I have trouble understanding how op gets so pissed and defensive every single time anyone talks about how bad the antisemitism is in Ireland https://www.tumblr.com/an-colm-fuinniuil/785495110295191552/i-am-going-to-get-dogpiled-for-this-i-have-not

the LIVED EXPERIENCE of people there is telling you what it’s like, but every single time anyone criticizes what’s happening, they get like this, and it feels like erasure of what Jews and Israelis there are enduring and what other Irish people are literally reporting about daily.

i have op blocked for crying hibernophobia every time ireland got some slack for being up there in the ranks of europe's competition to be Disgustingly Antisemitic but. i think they don't realize that calling out the antisemitism inherent in a deeply christian country that has government officials openly boasting they are "devoid of jewish influence" while being one of the only 'neutral' countries in ww2 to give condolences for hitler's passing is in fact not xenophobia or hibernophobia. it is in fact just the truth.

ireland has been devoid of a jewish community outside of like 100 jews yet still manages to have it's own pogrom, be so virulently antisemitic in once again peddling the colonized by the english showboat to align themselves with palestine that they will ignore they're more like the english in their treatment of their own indigenous minority than the want to admit; all in an effort to, in my opinion, use their colonized victim history to centre themselves. all while ignoring the aformentioned brutalities currently ongoing against grt folk & jews within their borders.

israelis & jews talking about how violent ireland's antisemitism is *despite* not having a community like the countries mentioned in ops post is not hibernophobia. it's not xenophobia. it's highlighting the inherent hypocrisy in ireland's "connection" to another colonized people (except settled irish have borderline strongheld irish traveller sites & previous lands important to us via violent restriction of travel & palestine was never colonized because it is in fact a colonial name for a colonized *jewish* land.) english antisemitism is getting just as much heat but it's not being defended with "we were colonized to!! (just dont look at our ongoing cultural genocide within our borders.)

if you cannot handle ireland being on the hotplate for these issues without crying hibernophobia, stop being part of the conversation! otherwise, stop centering yoirself & your irish fragility over the current violence suffered by jews & grt folks *by ireland, the irish state & settled irish.* i'm over the perpetual victimhood & they always sound like commies crying over leftist antisemitism being highlighted.