#knives out liveblog

[the-acid-pear]

Gooooood moooorning gameeeers I'm gonna watch Glass Onion! Maybe I'll have to take a break midway thru or maybe not. Either way, i worked hard and i got nealy no spoilers!! So this is gonna be a tots blind ride 😎

[smolsleepyfox]

Second hand peer pressure from Tumblr means Imma use the little time I got at my brother's house with Netflix to watch Knives Out and Glass Onion

Stay tuned

[crowns-of-violets-and-roses]

Overall Knives Out has been bordering on painfully unsubtle at times but the smash cut from Linda saying she won’t be baited into badmouthing family in front of the police to Richard not even realising he was being baited was hilarious

[bruisedconscience-reblogs]

watching glass onion for the 8th time and only just noticed:

birdie trying to open the box with crystals

DEVON CLAIRE’S HUSBAND TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF CLAIRE TO TELL HER ABOUT ANDY BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE FOUND OUT!!!

[mars-ipan]

kinda funny when ur brain’s gut instinct is repression so you just kinda watch while your stress and emotions get bottled and corked and the whole time ur just like “that is going to bite me in the ass so bad later but i can’t seem to open the damn bottles without getting glass everywhere so! guess we’ll wait”

[pochapal]

battler quipping about beatrice's breasts...kinzo's obvious lust for beatrice...the parallels keep happening. on the bright side shannon can breathe easy knowing battler's moved on to someone else for his groping fantasies.

[loveinstreams]

OK WATCHING KNIVES OUT!!!!

[the-space-0wl]

Caved in. I'm watching Knives Out.

First thing first : I was not expecting that accent Mr Craig

Also deeply enjoyed seeing Chris Evans storm out of the mansion 5 times without ever hearing him say a word

[the-jackals]

watching glass onion and honestly the first twelve minutes are absolutely fucking golden actually

[cinematicnomad]

i’ve watched glass onion three times in the last 24 hours which is a little much, even for me 😂

[zoanzon]

Apparently Glass Onion is set during quarantine, and I’m shrieking

[the-acid-pear]

Finding out it was a movie and not a show refilled me with hope of being into the new popular thing, so Knives Out liveblog time!!

Instead of saying i know jack shit about the movie like i always do because i live under a rock i will admit something: I'm not sure if i will like this movie. I'm hoping i will but if i don't i won't be mad at least 😞

[bruisedconscience]

BUT I WILL HAPPILY WAIT he says…. Politely not rushing this old, old lady who’s son had just turned 85.. hot damn

[crowns-of-violets-and-roses]

Somehow I never heard that the guy killed in Knives Out was a murder mystery writer

[notadragon]

So I watched Glass Onion. This mostly a liveblogg.

The notes Miles faxed to Lionel just sound like nonsense, like ideas that gets scrapped.

I found Helen smashing her box hilarious. Also that Duke's mom solved several of the clues.

I like that Benoit kept asking about the thing they got sprayed with.

I love the pause when Miles sees Helen who he thinks is Andi.

I love the whole part with Benoit and Miles in the tower thingy. The first one, it was funny, honestly.

"That's the infraction point." That doesn't mean what you think it means.

"Are you calling me dangerous?" He's calling you a moron.

Did he surround them with explosives. I feel like Klear could be explosive. He's certainly making it sound like it'd be explosive.

I love the dinner/mystery scen, it's delightful.

I enjoyed the 10 o'clock thing, the cut to all the lights going out.

The "Rich Bitch" thing is funny, actually, and a little endearing? I think.

I love the I'm not batman thing.

"Miles Bron is not an idiot." I think that you will find that, indeed, he is. Dude's stupid, very stupid.

Yes! Thanks Andi. It is explosive. It could blow them up. I love being right.

"You know, that's not mutually exclusive." Yeah, it sure isn't.

Yay, more on the explosive thing, I love it.

Ah, yes, information. They called her, they visited. And! She can tell something's off.

I love their surprise when she ask's them if they want to do a session. And that they were just talking about the murder investigation. I sort of wounder if she overheard them.

I'm loving the Clue mentions. I don't think I've ever played it, tho.

I love the background guy, he's just there sometimes.

She doesn't know he's dead. Helen has no idea what happened. This is so funny, it probably shouldn't be. See, she had no idea.

Oh, I was worried about that. I'm probably going to rewatch this to see the tricky parts.

Ah, yes. The mistake, Expecting complexity and intelligence.

I was right! "That's the infraction point." is wrong. I'm loving this part.

"Miles Bron is an idiot." So you've finally realised.

Yeah, it's just dumb.

I'm loving the realisation of how dumb he is. They also expected him to be smart.

He's so smug. And they're just breaking glass all over the floor.

An explosive. And she threw it into the fire. That could have ended worse.

The Mona Lisa is on fire. I really don't think you should run over broken glass. Are you okay? Like, physically?

He's just yelling. He's not doing anything. He's usless.

"Your fuel of the future just barbequed the world's most famous painting, you dumbass." Yes! It did! He's done for! Success!

They're lying! They've turned on him. He really should have been expecting that.

I love this movie. It's great. It's hilarious, just, so funny.

[protect-namine]

archiving (and expounding) here additional thoughts:

I do think dottore's actions definitely contributed to scaramouche's desire for godhood for sure, but I also think scaramouche was already on the road to that with how he perceives the betrayals in his life.

scaramouche still had a trusting heart when the child died post-tatarasuna (and if not the child, he would have had to face the idea that other people are mortal by trusting someone else sooner or later). and his background as a failed puppet to ei equally informed his decision about humanity and godhood. that is, neither can be trusted, hence the development of his transactional view on relationships.

I understand the appeal of giving more weight to dottore's machinations. personally, I think it's more powerful if the decision to become god was because of scaramouche's own understanding of the world and an exercise of his agency. dottore's contributions to that decision is one of many, and scaramouche would have reached the conclusion that he should became a god on his own eventually.

it's possible dottore saw potential (but not yet guarantee) in scaramouche as a subject for godhood when they met in tatarasuna. though, imo, I think their god creation project would actually fail faster if both of them did not have the kind of personality that would hold each other accountable to their end of the deal, or if they both had to exert extra effort to ensure that they're committing to this project long-term.

dottore saw scaramouche as an excellent subject, but not indispensable. another scaramouche would be hard to find, but not impossible. if scaramouche failed the project, dottore would just try again and learn from that experience. he is not exactly lacking time, after all, and scaramouche is not rare enough to be the only artificially created person in this game.

the thing is. dottore did deceive scaramouche in tatarasuna, but the whole mission was under pierro's command. dottore is a mad scientist but more of in the clinical sense, like, he really does not care about the people he experiments with beyond what they can offer in the experiment. they are all subjects one, two, three to him even during his time as zandik. he is very impersonal. he does not care about personally having power over collei or scaramouche, he doesn't do things with the objective of creating lasting relationships with his experimentees that he can take advantage of. he does unethical science for the sake of pursuing knowledge, and so to him, everything is disposable once they've outgrown their usefulness. everything is replaceable. he just wants Results™ and these two were a means of getting them. like, this guy doesn't even care that collei escaped, he can get another collei.

so the thing about dottoscara as a relationship is that it is compelling and dottore did deceive scaramouche about tatarasuna and scaramouche not knowing about it was beneficial to dottore's experiments and wanderer does want revenge for what happened. but. but. their relationship as fatui members was more transactional than gaslight-y. like. I think arleccino is the fatui member who is more likely to actually use gaslighting techniques and deceive people and use their emotions to an advantage because she runs the orphanage and works with impressionable kids (this interpretation is subject to change depending on how fontaine goes).

that kind of tactic is not really how dottore operates on the long-term though. that's not how he handled scaramouche when he became a fatui member. scaramouche wanted to become a god. dottore wanted to create a god. scaramouche is very into transactional relationships; even as wanderer, he sees relationships in terms of debts and repayments, like there's a ledger in his head of what he owes to people. dottore is impersonal and sees people in terms of their usefulness ("the mere fact of your utility does not make you indestructible"). they do not have a healthy relationship but they did have a mutually beneficial one, they know they're both getting something out of it, and as long as the other person is useful the relationship is good to continue.

and like. once scaramouche was on his way to becoming a god, he was already starting to think he'll be above dottore ("the doctor has never known his place. even now, the puny human thinks himself capable of interfering in the business of the new god."). once sumeru was saved, dottore didn't even take any of the events personally and was like, "okay, experiment's done. time to clean up!"

anyway. I think I just wanted to make a point that dottoscara is a transactional relationship despite their history and diluting it down to a relationship of manipulator and manipulated (which DID happen in a SEPARATE event that did influence some of their actions, but isn't really the core of their relationship when they met again) is something that I don't think showcases their personalities like. at all. also, despite transactions being the nature of their relationship, I think there's something to be said about how, in the serendipity of "want to become god" person finding the "want to create god" person, there is a level of belief in the capacity of the other. like. "yeah, you, I know you can make me into a god, that's why you need me so I can make your dream project come true" "yeah that's right, I know you can become a god, and that's why you need me so I can make your dream project come true." and at the end of the day, they're both prepared to possibly cut ties when the project is over.

in the process of it all, dottore did ruin scaramouche. wanderer does want revenge. but wanderer also acknowledges that some of the things that happened are due to his own sins. like. the raiden gokaden was influenced by dottore's deception, but wanting to be god and trying to usurp nahida was not on dottore. and because wanderer is very adamant about keeping a clear ledger in his head of debts and repayments, I don't think he'll confuse things over what sins are his own and which ones are because of his experiences with dottore.