#kinda discoursey but idk?

[dimiclaudeblaigan]

it's so interesting for me to hear that houses localization changed the script to vilify(?word?) the church bc when i played the game (i recently finished my first and so far only playthrough in lions route) for the first half of the game i was waiting for the shoe to drop to reveal the church is the big bad guys but it never came and the revealed was actually ed. idk if it should have been obvious but i was too focused on suspecting the church to see it or if it was actually subtle as i tend to be oblivious to hints(¿word again?) given in media lol.

idk where im going with this but i hope it makes at least some sense bc i am so sleep deprived rn

and the thing tou said about Henry being changed i am so curious of that too

hope you have a nice day and better sleep than me!

I'll answer the last part first since the rest is more descriptive.

Basically Henry went to Wizard School (tee em) and it was a cool and great experience. In JP, it was... iirc basically close to torture/hellish? It was a more mature situation/topic, but the loc changed it to be silly and fun sounding. For some reason Treehouse in particular seems deeply if not fatally allergic to mature topics and/or properly handling them.

Thank for about the sleep comment and I assure you, I sleep too often!! I wish I could send you some of my sleep and make it extra quality for you. :(

As for Three Houses, yeah, in AM it doesn't really happen that way. Nobody is really vilified (not even the imperialist warmonger invading neutral lands!) in AM (same with AG in Hopes).

What you saw/understood was the whole point! It was made it look at first like the Church was suspicious, but then the reveal was meant to be no, it was a fellow house leader all along. That was what the red herring part about the Church was all about. You were supposed to suspect the Church at first, hence Jeralt's warnings, and if you're playing GD, Claude's suspicions.

Unfortunately what happens in the other routes, especially in CF, is that Rhea's trauma is never explored, no characters stop to understand her motivation, etc. She's just used as the resident bad guy because she's Edelgard's enemy. Basically, you're seeing it from the point of view that Rhea is bad because you see it from Edelgard's perspective... but it fails to work because the game, in particular the localization, amps Edelgard up as a huge progressive hero. AM is the only route that really confronts her about her "views", and even then, it's a mess because all the things she argues with Dimitri about aren't her end goal (i.e. they don't ever end up actually happening in the vast capacity she claims she's going to do).

About Edelgard:

The localization avoids any particularly negative comments about her and changes or outright removes them (true of Hopes as well). In Dimitri's case it would make sense because of their connection, but when it ends up just being another route in the pile of feeling sorry for Edelgard (and... not Rhea, who had her family massacred and their bones turned into weapons), it just feels stale.

They basically tell you Edelgard is very cute and easily embarrassed, and she's just this headstrong progressive woman fighting For The People (tee em). The truth is (as per the game itself, i.e. content they can't change/localized because it's the contents of the game itself) that she's invading innocent lands, conscripting her own citizens, turning her citizens into demonic beasts to add to her military strength (lelz when u can't even rely on ur nation's own military strength without demonic beasts), and victim blaming anyone who fights back (if you have yet to see the extremely infamous "no u" line from Edegard to Dimitri in CF, you've been blessed) among other things.

They basically shove it down your throat, characters and narrative both (in the loc in particular), that Edelgard is good and just, while the story itself is looking at all that like ???. The JP script still tries to take good care of her and her image, but they're a lot more blunt about her/her goals (i.e. they don't dance around them nearly as much).

The localization showers what she does with love and attention, and even when they have to say she's the problem/aggressor, they still pretty it up as much as possible (such as Dimitri wondering if maybe her vision of society could possibly be just and righteous, instead of outright admitting what she's done is absolutely atrocious when it's way worse than anything he ever did, all of which he admits to doing and takes responsibility for).

The JP version is more clear on her being the villain. There's definitely bias toward her (as the writers were, confirmed by an interview), but it doesn't slap you in the face with it nearly as badly. Also, Dimitri has won a character popularity poll every year since the game's inception in Japan. In the west, Edelgard is much more popular than she is in the east. That, of course, is because of the way the loc pushed the writing for her/about her.

Edelgard's "progressive" stuff is supposed to be just propaganda (which is ultimately, even as per the western endings because there's only so much they can change). The way the loc frames it is that it's actually what she's aiming for. It's what she uses to inspire people to fight for her though, not what she's actually doing.

About Rhea:

This one's the real doozy because it's a victim of the above. Since they wanted to pretty up Edelgard's dialogue and make her A Hero (tee em), they needed whoever her main enemy was to be the "villain". Since Edelgard, now popular because of the tweaks in her dialogue, hated and wanted to kill Rhea, so too did her raging fans who gave no fucks whatsoever about any character who opposed her... even if it was just to save their own life!

They changed the tone of Rhea's voice in the loc to make her more angry and villainous sounding, rather than sad or kind. She was basically altered in the loc to make Edelgard look better. Like, of course, in the perspective of playing a villain in CF, she's the bad guy and the enemy. The problem comes when they have Rhea say things that are more aggressive than in the original script, and change her tone to sound demeaning and vicious (when she was otherwise not or not as much).

But like, why? The only reason any of us can think of is because they wanted to market Edelgard more. This is likely a result of the west's views and especially political views, since Edelgard's pretty words would sound good to a westerner's political beliefs... until you dig into them/the actual story content more.

Rhea also being the head of a Church probably got tweaked because of the west's recent irl views on religion. Religion in the west has been looked poorly upon in recent years. Instead of accepting this is just a fictional game though, the loc team just... pushed that they're Really Bad.

Rhea is more of a victim of them needing someone to be worse than Edelgard to make Edelgard look like less of a villain (which again, this isn't the case in the original script nearly as much), and they couldn't use Thales/the Agarthans because you were allied with them in that route.

The other characters vs Rhea as a villain choice:

The goal wasn't to make a playable lord a villain in the loc's case. It was the intention of the original script with Edelgard, but the loc tried to make her actions sound more justified because ??? like idk, I can't wrap my head around them justifying what she does.

Dimitri isn't handled too badly by the narrative itself and he's overall seen as a good person (even the loc didn't alter that or Edelgard's ablest mentality toward a mentally unwell person), so he wasn't really a good candidate for all that. Also, Dimitri's story is one of recovery, and because they ventured into mental illness, he wasn't a good candidate. He was treated well and pretty fairly (Edelgard not treating him particularly well makes sense with her character, but the narrative itself doesn't push him as being a monstrous person. Even in the time he considers that he was, there's depth, logic and complexity to the situation).

Claude being the main bipoc character would have just been an all around disaster if the loc or even original script tried to make him the top villain, yadda yadda (understandably). There was no chance that was going to go over well, especially in the west (have you seen the shitstorm GW caused? And that was with the writing not considering him a villain!!). He was basically safe from the get go as far as villainy if they writers/localizers didn't want serious backlash (there are discussions about the overall treatment of poc characters in Houses/Hopes, but I can guarantee it would've been legit backlash if he was made to be a genuinely and intentionally horrible person, so that wasn't really an option if they wanted this game to actually sell and be enjoyed).

So since Rhea isn't playable and is the head of a Church, that kind of makes her the only candidate. Players will get attached to the other lords and not like killing them, so it won't feel like a badass victory to kill them. I guess for some reason the loc team just... hated Rhea or something?

Dimitri's death in CF is either extremely sad and garners audience sympathy, or in the other version of his death in CF it's clear his mentally stability is starting to break right before he's killed, which in and of itself is another topic. Claude is either free to go by choice of the player or can be killed, and his death is sad and he's not villainized. Aside from how some characters treat Claude's death (in contrast to Dimitri's which is never outright villainized even by Edelgard), the scene meant for the player at the time it happens is supposed to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

So again, it really just leaves the loc team with the option of Rhea if they want to make the final battle seem like a big victory for the player. VW also has its big happy victory, and surprise surprise, Rhea dies in that route (offscreen no less!).

SS kills off Rhea but actually makes it sad, and it's, you know, actually the route that focuses on her/the Church most. AM doesn't kill her off and doesn't treat any character death as a badass victory, and instead gives a bittersweet ending (which again would be in line with Dimitri's connection to Edelgard, and it only feels botched down because of all routes obsessing over her).

So while, technically, the writing in the JP script wasn't trying to make Rhea as bad as the western version of the game, if the loc wanted to go for that, she was the best option. It just... came at the expense of butchering her character to make Edelgard shine, which shouldn't have been done but it was.

[biracy]

Tbh I should probably take a break. I almost definitely won't but I should, yknow

[slightlyrebelliouswriter23]

Why do people bring their unnecessary input into ur posts like damn it's just a theory 😭 we're out here having fun and clowning hop off our dicks bro

gvskdjsksj they want to fuck us so bad it makes them look stupid

yeah i mean look. i tend not to interact with stuff i disagree/don't vibe with. cos 1) it's not that deep, 2) it doesn't effect my opinion of the books, and 3) it's really none of my business if strangers on the internet have dif opinions, so long as they're not harming anyone.

but sometimes i forget that that's not how most of the internet functions. so i'm always slightly jarred when people add their conflicting opinions on a post that does not explicitly ask for other opinions.

having said that, it's a totally fair misconception to have tbh, seeing as virtually all other social media seems to operate on a "discussion for discussion's sake" basis. for me though, my blog here on Tumblr will, for the most part, always operate under the rule of thumb: "this is my opinion and i'm not really looking to argue with people who disagree with me".

maybe in the past i've been more lenient about discussion on my theory/analysis posts. but especially recently, i don't have the time or energy to tolerate it (like a "i'm too old/broke for this" kinda vibe 🙈).

when people ask me things about TFOTA, i'm always answering under the implication that this is my opinion/interpretation/etc. of the text. even if i provide text-based evidence, i'm not trying to convince you of anything. i'm not saying my interpretation is fact. i'm saying "here's what i believe and here are my reasons for believing it".

if you agree, great! i'm so happy i could provide a way for you to connect more with a series that we all love.

if you don't agree, that's cool, too. you can keep it pushin. there is still space enough within the fandom for you to make your own posts featuring Your Interpretations, and have fun in that space with people who agree with you, rather than sit here poking holes in the fun that other people are trying to have.

that's the beauty of fiction.

everyone can and does have their own interpretation, and all of us can be right, simultaneously. you don't have to "prove people wrong" or tell people who have an opinion why you disagree with them for your opinion to be valid. because your opinion is intrinsically valid.

and chances are, you're not going to change anyone's mind.

[kingkatsuki]

Just a general question! What is your opinion about people being inspired by other’s thirsts/blurbs and writing their own fic based on it (with credit, of course)? Do most people prefer to be asked first or is tagging the post enough? I’m new to the writing scene on tumblr, so I don’t really know what the proper etiquette is lol

Personally I love it! I feel like it’s such a huge honour for people to read something I’ve wrote and find inspiration in it to write their own thing based off it? But I think there’s definitely a big, big issue on tumblr with giving proper credit.

So some ideas are so generic that I feel like they’re done to death, it doesn’t matter if you credit or not because they’re so broad— but some ideas start becoming more niche or intricate, little details that separate them from just any camgirl!AU or tattoo shop!AU or whatever the idea is, and those I feel like need to be given credit where credits due.

I see a lot of people constantly commenting on posts like “I’m gonna write this/gonna make a post about this/etc” without even asking permission and I find this super odd… because some authors have said they’re gonna write it themselves or they may not want you expanding on their ideas? If you’ve read another post and been inspired by it, I think the polite thing to do is credit…

Like recently someone made a post inspired by an idea, didn’t even give credit/link the post/say who it was by, they just said “I was inspired by a post I saw” and then they proceeded to write their own thing… And that same author who was so inspired didn’t even like/reblog the post as bare minimum? I feel like this is super disingenuous because if you truly liked the post why wouldn’t you want it to do well/more people to enjoy it too?? So yeah that kinda stuff makes me uncomfy.

I think reaching out if you’re unsure is a good way to go, and it gives a level of respect to writers as human beings, instead of just idea machines… the worst someone can do is say no, and I think I’ve only ever said no to two people out of all the times I’ve actually been asked? One was because I was going to be writing the idea myself and the other was because the person didn’t like/reblog my original post so I didn’t trust them enough to credit properly.

The same way people have allowed me to write something based on their ideas! I did a little Yandere Bakugou thing earlier last month because someone was kind enough to allow me to take the idea and run with it, and one of my fave Kinktober days from last year was actually based on someone else’s post!

It’s tumblr, so people will 100% steal your ideas without credit, so when you actually get asked it’s so nice? I dunno I can’t explain it.

[omegawolverine]

yes i AM bitter about this fandoms treatment of neurodivergent ccs, specifically karl jacobs. but that's a story for another time <3

[daforged]

i love looking at rly long posts where ppl are getting supremely worked up over nothing and giggling to myself as i scroll by . imagine letting ppl on this site genuinely bother u to the point where u feel the need to make a 38 1/2 paragraph long rant about it

[neverpetal]

taking a break from this bloggg message me privately if u wanna know my main's url :)

[snatcherwes]

hmmm i don’t know if it’s just me but like i get rly pissed when people criticize characters that act out or do something bad clearly as a result of being groomed / indirectly (or even directly) abused by their parents (ex. ha/nzo)

especially so if the person criticizing the character doesn’t come from a history of familial abuse because they, in no way, understand what that’s like whatsoever

if anyone else has thoughts on this, feel free to reply / send me an ask bc i'm kinda curious how others feels too

[stairset]

Not to be discoursey but highkey it’s kinda annoying how outside of Tumblr so many people seem to hate Tam after the Resistance s1 finale cause like idk I think it says a lot about what sw fandom thinks of black women that everyone immediately hates Tam for joining the FO after the writers spent an entire season giving her good reason to distrust and feel betrayed by Yeager and Kaz and she hasn’t done anything to make her irredeemable yet, meanwhile Kyle Ron has massacred Luke’s Jedi academy, slaughtered Kel and Eila’s village, tortured Poe and Rey, put Finn into a coma, directly killed Han, indirectly killed Luke, and taken Snoke’s place as leader of the FO, and unlike Vader we still don’t really know much about his backstory or why he turned in the first place and yet everyone’s still clamoring for him to be redeemed bEcAuSe VaDeR Did iT So bEn CAn toO.

[arcsin27]

I’m tired as hell and don’t really give a damn so I think I’m gonna get kinda discoursey rn idk

[horsegirlhob]

Wait I just woke up what's the discourse now

Idk man people are mad at Dan cause of the furry thing? I’m not entirely sure cause I try not to follow discoursey people, I’m just real tired of the phandom’s bullshit. (Also there’s that whole “Is the Phandom dying????????” thing going on and I’m kinda tired of that too. I think Dan and Phil know what they’re doing and all the long posts about are stressing me out. I’m not really upset about that tho, just tired. People can speculate however they want but it’s different when there’s yelling and anger involved.)

[96percentdone]

this is gonna be probably a severely incoherent ramble of several different things. Feel free to ignore.

this blog has gotten like too discoursey. Not that I’m ever going to stop having opinions, it’s in my god damn description but that’s not ever what I really wanted to be. I didn’t wanna be caught up in explaining why xyz is terrible. It’s all so fucking negative negative negative.

To be clear I think a lot of the dangan ronpa fandom has fuckin issues. it’s the same with any fandom: a lack of understanding of larger issues, a flawed understanding of fiction’s relationship to reality, and a priority of personal happiness over other people’s pain. Every fandom is like this and it’s just tiring to talk about all the time as tiring as it is to see all these bad takes and opinions all the time. I’m really fucking exhausted. 

I thought about making a discourse blog. then maybe y’all would stop unfollowing me. I can’t even blame you like even if you agree with me I wouldn’t wanna see all that discourse either. it’s exhausting. but even if I make a discourse blog like i’m still gonna be surrounding myself in negative bullshit all the time and I don’t....fuck I don’t want to.

yeah I know, dangan ronpa kinda fucking sucks, and v3 extremely sucks, and yadda yadda yadda but like...I don’t hate dangan ronpa. I don’t. I like it a lot. I even like v3 quite a lot despite it’s many faults. But it doesn’t even feel like it lately. It just feels like I’m dragging myself pretending I like something because I never talk about what I like about it anymore.

Maybe that’s why I’ve been leaning on Higurashi. Higurashi always felt like the one thing I could like without having to discourse about it. It’s not flawless, but I’m just not buried in the fandom like that to care. It’s just the thing I love more than anything else.

DR is still my special interest. idk when that’ll change, but right now that’s where we are. And I kinda wanna go back to feeling like it’s something I love again, even if the damage is already fucking done. But I don’t really know how I would. I need to write more fics. Or more meta-analyzing what I like. Or make more hcs. Something. 

And I also...fuck I don’t even wanna say it because it’ll sound like I’m vaguing and blaming people but I’m really not. I just...need to stop thinking about people who disagree with me. Not even on the major shit like Actual Discourse Subjects™ but minor things.

I’m way too defensive and I feel like I have to defend its honor and make people understand and see things my way. It’s not that I have to be right. I just need people to agree with me and understand because otherwise, I feel like I’m doing everything wrong purely by virtue of having a different take.

It’s not anyone else’s fault. It’s my fault. It’s my fault for being defensive over things I like. It’s probably a result of consistently being told my interests were stupid or not having anywhere to talk about them because no one was interested. I’m sorry I’m like this. 

I need to just...turn the direction of this entire blog around. And my entire life. I can’t be drowning in this much negativity all the time anymore.

[snugglesprout]

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[cryosuits-archive]

What do you wanna see for shiro in upcoming seasons/eps? He hardly gets any discourse minus clone theories and sh//e i t h

good question!! aside from the discoursey things that come from him, i would like to see:-lance and him actually bond (platonically ya nasties) since shiro is lances hero and we never got any scenes with them?? like at all?? idk maybe lance can vent to shiro whenever he needs to and he’ll be the supportive big brother of the group kinda thing?? it’s a plus if he comes to shiro for any questions regarding sexuality and an ever BIGGER plus if shiros LGBT too. he’ll be like a double hero to lance at this point. also i want lance to address the whole favoritism shiro has going on and his blatant disregard for him and his opinions-KINSHIP between him and keith. establish that brotherly bond and then confirm that they’re related somehow. or, if they’re not related, how did shiro change keiths life?? -the bond between him and the black lion. it was glossed over in s2 but there’s definitely something missing there. also what is his bayards power??-i want him to get a damn break. we need a vacation episode!!!!

[last-starfighter]

ok this far in absolution i just gotta say theres a lot this game does wrong with gender

like a lot 

its ‘problematic’ in so many motherfuckin ways i dont even wanna get started because ill fuckin spew about it all night long

 theres a but here and it probably aint the one ur thinkin

 the thing is like i heard about this game for the first time thanks to stupid thinkpiece bullshit right. ppl goin OH NOES THERE IS A GAME WHERE U CAN MURDER STRIPPERS

and i just kinda rolled my eyes. i didnt know jackshit about hitman so i figured it was a shooter i didnt care about. and since people were sayin ‘u get docked points if you kill the strippers’ i decided this was just like a nonissue and moved right the fuck on.

knowin what i know now about hitman. yeah bein able to kill civilians in a hitman game is a thang. freakin out that you can kill civilians in a hitman game just makes you look like an ass ostrich. especially since the whole point is to kill your target and NOT kill anyone else- and the target aint a stripper. 

but like. the problem with absolution aint that you can kill the strippers its the train of thought that made someone on the dev team go ‘hey yknow what lets put a level in a strip club’ to begin with 

the problem aint ‘the game mechanics apply to everyone even the strippers’ its ‘this game is tryina be ~edgy~ and thinks that ~edgy~ means violence n sex n cussin but aint usin any of these things well’ 

and like you cant talk about this stuff if ur in full MORAL PANIC!!!1!! mode n talkin shit about EVERYTHIGN to do with a thing because it has somethin bad in it but at the same time sayin ‘ok the ppl havin MORALPANIC!!!! are asshats so there aint nothin to see here’ means you cant rly talk about this shit 

idk man this is discoursey as hell but thats my 2 cents