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[Your fate has been realized.]
#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kim dokja#orv spoilers#forgot i drew this a while ago aha#smth smth getting stuck and tangled in the red strings of fate#i remember reading this chapter and bawling my eyes out#kim dokja. when i get you kim dokja.#quoted by yoo joonghyuk probably#i forgot what font i used for the text. is that times new roman#my art
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#omniscient reader's viewpoint#orv#orv spoilers#kim dokja#han sooyoung#yoo joonghyuk#my art#id in alt#sorry song asks ill get to you when i get to you
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i think yjh really likes that she can pick up hsy and kdj anytime she wants for whatever reason
#feat punisher yjh bc i wanted to.#orv#omniscient reader#yoohankim#yoohan#joongdok#han sooyoung#yoo joonghyuk#punisher#kim dokja#do you think kim dokja says kyaa when he gets picked up.#today on almond draws anatomy and poses that don't make any sense:
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they're bonding
#my art#svsss#svsss fanart#mxtx svsss#shen qingqiu#shen yuan#orv#omniscient reader#omniscient reader's viewpoint#omniscient reader fanart#orv kim dokja#kim dokja#why keep it to the comments section when you can bwat the shit out of each other irl#its just enrichment in their enclosure#lbh and yjh are off to the side waiting with snacks making sure things dont get too out of hand#once again thank you @nibbelraz for talkikg to me about this insane crossover that has taken over my brain i owe you everything
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happy incarnation kim dokja will die at the hands of the person he loves the most tuesday
#esha.txt#orv#ive literally been smiling so wide for like half an hour about this THEYRE GETTING THERE! THEYRE GETTING TO 73RD DEMON KING! ITS REALLY#HAPPENING :3#webtoon onlies dont even know. but they will. yjh doesnt know. but she will. kimcom doesnt know. but they will... :3#its also omelas arc time im so excitey. and then its half kdj backstory reveal time YAY#AND HOLY SHIT ITS GONNA BE FOURTH WALL ATE MY MOM TIME and alsoooooo :3 :3 :3 hsy and yjh from the epilogues show up time guys i love orv i#so excited its unreal#when they finally get to the arc itself they HAVE to include You Are Always Like This Kim Dokja Do You Think I'm An Emotionless Monster. hs#moments of ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!
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late for work...
#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#omniscient reader#yoo joonghyuk#kim dokja#joongdok#중독#my art#joongdok adult roommates#just two guys who have been living together for 10 years with no other romantic relationships#they have never made anything official and don't refer to each other by any titles other than roommate#however when inevitably asked by neighbours/coworkers/friends if they ever plan to get into a relationship or marriage they always respond:#....i guess i've never felt the need for that'#it is because they have been functionally married for over a decade thank you for coming to my ted talk#no scenarios au
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#omniscient reader's viewpoint#omniscient readers viewpoint#orv#kim dokja#kdj#SO... i ended up not making this 1 literally faceless but this is sorta inspired by how i personally interpreted the face censorship#i always sort of processed it as like when you see a person in a dream#like you know who they are in the moment and you dont necessarily realize if its indistinct? but you cant recall it once you wake#anywaysss i think im starting to get a handle on drawing this mfer so thats a relief for me
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anyway. the oldest dream does retroactively make the intensity of the probability consequences faced by lee sookyoung pretty sad huh. its canon that probability was pretty lenient with kim dokja (and i think its implied his company too) because the oldest dream was indulging it. but he seems to have had no reaction to his mother showing up at all.......
#orv#i mean you COULD argue the fact that lee sookyoung appears really young to those who see her is influenced by how oldest dream sees her#but i think what we're supposed to get from that is she was just really young when she had kim dokja
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Heewon: 🤨 🏳️🌈???
#…Dokja buddy let me hold your hand when I say this. You are a homose- *gets run over by a car*#kim dokja#omniscient reader's viewpoint#orv#omniscent reader#yoo joonghyuk#orv kdj#yoo junghyuk#joongdok#orv novel#orv kim dokja#the orv reading experience#orv spoilers
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the newest chapter has me thinking about kdj’s relationship with the fourth wall
#my ramblings#i always thought that the fourth wall was incredibly childish#it’s almost as if it not only expresses kdj’s thoughts but also his emotions#like if you factor in its previous identity (an existence presumably as old as the star stream itself)#even if it lost its memories it probably shouldn’t be acting this childish#i’m wondering if it’s because of the dokkaebi king’s connection to the oldest dream#maybe it would be more accurate to say that it expresses the oldest dream’s feelings?#wanting to consume as many stories as possible and being petulant when kdj turns it off#seeing a wall much like itself and calling it a friend#the way it often bickers with kdj and gets upset when he ignores it#it’s like he has to placate his inner child#idk if this makes sense. i kind of let my thoughts wander gsjshd#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kim dokja
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You go into reading ORV thinking it’s going to be a story.
You read it and it’s a story: it’s a story about a reader.
You read a little further and realize that it’s a story about stories: stories that make people as much as people make them.
You get to that point and you finally realize that it’s a con.
It’s a con: it’s been a con from the very first word, the longest, most visceral and excruciating con you’ve ever seen, yet somehow never saw coming—and you’re fuming but you’re also holding your breath because you can’t even be mad, it’s got you hook, line and sinker and you’d follow it beyond the end of the earth, you’ve already followed it beyond the end of the earth unknowingly and now you’re willing to go even further than that, willingly choosing it for yourself, because you need to see where this goes, you need to, because you care. You care.
Somewhere, you know with all the faith of a reader that Han Sooyoung is smiling.
#I will never be okay about this#conned into loving this broken world by making us see it through the eyes of the man who loved it more than anything#conned into loving him because the world and the people in it loved him back even when he couldn’t love himself#even when his own mind was crueler to him than anyone else could ever be#conned into loving him because god wants him to love himself so badly she’d damn the world for him to survive and we get it. we get it.#conned into loving yourself just a little bit more because how could you not after reading a story like that?#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#orv spoilers#omniscient reader’s viewpoint spoilers#han sooyoung#kim dokja#hsy#orv hsy#kdj#orv kdj#doksoo
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Reading the webtoon and…
Does this imply that Kim Dokja also tried to write a questionnaire for her to fill in since she wouldn’t speak to him, that either he 1) never gave her in the end (especially if he couldn’t find her after she was released) or 2) gave it to her and she STILL refused to answer?
Because that is so so so so awful. It was already bad but if he tried so many ways to get her to speak and she still gave him no response, regardless of her reasoning… isn’t that still directly choosing to cut herself fully out of his life? Why in the hell did she lie for his sake and allow him to visit her if she wanted to never speak to him again?
I know everyone claims Kim Dokja is just like her in sacrificing himself for loved ones, but at least he tries his best to stay with them and to keep them in his life. He still chooses sacrifice, but it’s not because he intends to never return. He always returns (even if much later than planned).
The only time this differs is with 51%, when he STILL tried his best to stay with them - at least as much as he could.
I sometimes like Lee Sookyung, but I am mostly still SO mad at her for completely ignoring her child since he was 8 years old. Especially when he must have looked like shit any number of times from being mistreated and bullied by family, friends, army, employers.
But maybe that’s just the fragment in me being eternally pissed with her. She DOES love him, but like he says in the webtoon in this chapter - maybe such truths are painful enough to be false anyways, because they’re just SUCH bullshit. That’s not how affection should work, if you actually care about someone and want them to be happy.
#RAWWRGHHH I WANT TO SHAKE HER SO MUCH#LOOK AFTER YOUR KID#and if you can’t do that because of circumstances at least ACKNOWLEDGE HIM#yes I do know she cared and it’s just that she mistakenly believes he’s better off this way without her but like#then WHY does she still insert herself back into his life when he’s finally stopped trying to get her to speak?#yes yes others have great analyses on her and their relationship and I usually agree with their logic but it’s still. So. Hard. to like her#but then I remember that this story was the little Dream’s wishful thinking to cope back then on his own#and so maybe in his world Lee Sookyung never ever would speak to him again#he just wished she would so he wrote it down as happening for This older version of him#and that’s somehow worse because like#even in the story where he got her to speak to him again she still won’t speak so he has to force the words out some way (via outer god)#and if that’s true then it’s still just his interpretation of her actions and choices#and not her own since she never told him#so like ARGGHHH#but I like to believe that characters have autonomy despite their respective author’s efforts in documenting them#so she still chose to speak all of this too and he would have accurately interpreted her this way because she controls what she says#even if he (little Dream Kim Dokja) is the one writing it down as wish fulfilment fix-it fic#a fix-it for himself and not just for the other people he loves#😭😭😭#orv#orv spoilers#omniscient reader’s viewpoint#lee sookyung#kim dokja
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I love singNsong again reminding people in Side Story that Dokja wanted other people to read TWSA (he wrote reviews and comments! It was his first wish), and he only stopped bothering because people harassed him for it. He didn't gate-keep the story. When he's avoiding talking to Sangah about it at the beginning of ORV, it's because he knows what happens when he tells people about the story, not because he's gate-keeping it from her. He notes he's not proud of his hobby (likely because he's been bullied all through his life, including for reading the thing he loves): he finds it embarrassing to talk about, and better respects her studying Spanish in her free time (learning another language is a generally accepted thing in society). He assumes she won't care or will look at him funny (or worse) for when she learns about the novel he's into.
Basically anyone writing "let's gatekeep ORV" posts because of the anime announcement or because they dislike the manhwa or some other weirdness, y'all are the villains in the scenario.
The literal climax of the story is about sharing ORV with as many people as possible. What story were y'all reading?
#orv#really tired of the stupid gate-keepy bs in some parts of this fandom#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kim dokja#side story spoilers#it's been quite fascinating seeing novel fanatics come out of the woodwork against potential anime fans#while showing how much they hate the manhwa and manhwa fans too#the only actual official English translation we have is the manhwa#acting like we're all in this together like no#I adore the novel and the manhwa#and folks who started with the manhwa or just happen to also like the manhwa but also like the novel see you for what you are#avoiding talking about something is not gatekeeping#it's often recognizing various social cues#like oh this person probably isn't familiar and I don't care to explain#or I'm worried they'll treat me badly if they know#when you're trying to connect with someone you tend to look for things you share not stuff you don't#if Dokja heard about people trying to gatekeep orv he would be disgusted#also NOT gatekeeping orv is literally the climax of the story I am so deeply confused by people encouraging gatekeeping of it#you're making han suyeong mad#she didn't nearly kill herself writing orv in order to share it to everyone they could find so people could gatekeep it#that is literally the opposite of the goal#it's not bad to ask if folks have read the novel because for a variety of reasons folks may not have#but it is bad to act like reading the novel is a fandom requirement especially given all we have is a fantranslation using MTL#or you must love the novel above others or the novel only#I want singnsong to get fucking rich from this story they shared and which I and many adore#gatekeeping does not make that happen#also good luck getting people to buy the Yen Press novel translation when it comes out when you act like this#the manhwa is available in at least seven languages officially fuck off with this gatekeeping crap#don't get me started how a lot of y'all don't even know what twatf is and a good chunk of y'all who won't even touch it when you do know#and that doesn't exactly bother me but it does bug me when book purists get all high and mighty
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i support Yoo Joonghyuk Wrongs because i'd be so pissed if i was severely suicidal and some asshole convinced me to Give Life A Chance and gave me hope and then fucked off for three years letting me think he was dead??? leaving me to watch all of our friends do stupidly risky shit like the stuff i used to do before he made me Care about my and their lives?? NOT warning me and NOT telling me what he was doing like okay fuck that guy actually!!!!
#oh okay we're life and death companions?? CAN YOU ACTUALLY LIVE FOR A CHANGE THEN???????#i'm living i chose to live because of YOU BY THE WAY so if we're supposed to be life or death companions you have to live too!#that's how it works! you fucking dingus jerkwad bastard asshole!!!!!#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#yjh#kdj#my posts#love kim dokja. also hate him on behalf of every single character.#the way he comes back and his biffles 1) lock him up 2) sedate him 3) try to get the right of life or death over him so as to forcibly#remove his ability to sacrifice himself all the goddamn time 4) get arrested with him so he won't be alone in the underworld 😂🤣😭#just picturing all of them working out a chore list in the industrial complex but it's just shifts of#Sitting On Dokja-Ssi's Chest So He Can't Go Anywhere Or Do Anything#usually when there's a character who doesn't realize how adored they are i'm dragging my fingers down my face like#rapunzel the lanterns are for you!!!#but with this guy specifically i just want to hold him down and shriek directly into his earholes.
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Fresh Snow
some drabbles of kim dokja's company during a snow day, before the story of orv starts
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One could say Kim Dokja was lucky for reaching his apartment before the snowstorm truly picked up. Another could say he was unlucky for the storm happening exactly on the night he meant to go grocery shopping. And the first would argue with the second, saying if he’d just checked the weather forecast a day earlier he wouldn’t even be in this situation, so that couldn’t be called bad luck, only a lack of forethought…
…Damn it, he really was hungry.
It was lucky he had time to eat lunch during work today, and unlucky he had literally nothing left in his fridge or pantry now for dinner. Clear proof that trying to cut himself off from instant noodles was a mistake.
The cold was worse than the hunger, though. Kim Dokja knew this building had terrible insulation, but now he was feeling the lack of it seep into his bones. Wasn’t it some building code violation to let the temperatures indoors drop this low? Of course, having the time or money to do anything about that was out of the question, but he could daydream taking his bastard landlord to court anyway.
For now, he just had to bear it. If the Iron-Blooded Supreme King Yoo Joonghyuk could withstand being plunged into the coldest depths of Poseidon’s ocean, then Completely Average Salaryman Kim Dokja could definitely triumph over a particularly cold Seoul night…!
Before he could cringe himself to death over that thought, a notification popped up on his phone. A new chapter of Three Ways to Survive in a Ruined World? tls123 had announced another hiatus earlier this week, which from previous experience would last a couple days longer, so he hadn’t expected an update today. Maybe, they’d come back early just to save him—?
>> lol there ws rly smn like this… s5gir antis r so sad
Unfortunately, it was only a reply to a comment he’d made years ago. Specifically, one on a chapter of SSSSS-Grade Infinite Regressor pointing out how obviously “Yoo Joonhyun” was ripping off his Joonghyuk-ie…
The person who replied had probably assumed his account was old enough to have been abandoned, especially with how much backlash his comments had gotten then. So they’d surely be in for a shock if the original commenter shot back with definitive proof of this so-called author’s plagiarism.
…Kim Dokja was twenty-seven now. Having graduated university despite all odds he now “contributed to society” by going through the motions of a meaningless QA job, so he would definitely be considered an adult. Definitely too old to participate in flame wars online. Definitely too mature to start typing up a cool reply (carefully composed, he couldn’t seem like he was letting emotion get to his head) on how much evidence he’d collected to support his point (all saved to a draft on his personal email account, so he could access it wherever) and how they should at least apologize to tls123-nim in place of this pretentious “writer” who still refused to…
And really, ‘s5gir’? With an abbreviation that clunky, no wonder they had to copy someone. Couldn’t even come up with a decent title.
Only after posting the reply did Kim Dokja realize he’d completely forgotten about the cold while typing.
read the rest on ao3 here
#orv#orv fic#kim dokja#han sooyoung#yoo joonghyuk#yoo mia#lee gilyoung#yoo sangah#shin yoosung#jung heewon#lee jihye#save writes#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kdj calling yjh joonghyuk-ie in his twsa comments is infinitely funny to me#i need to watch this guy get into twitter fights#who needs heating when you can be hating
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I shouldn't be the only one who thinks orv and gintama are alike...
#the 4th wall break? huh u get it? get it? nvm that was bad joke#i mean narrative wise they are different. gintoki is moving on from the war but kdj is willing to start a war for his own gains but...#they are doing it for everyone they love they are doing it for the family they have found. even at times when gintoki is#dragged back into hell because his past haunts him he's always looking forward to protect whathe still cherishes after taking 1000s of live#and kdj will forgive a monster who mercilessly kills to give them a second chance because sometimes something simple as sympathy and love#is easily forgotten in the battlefield. he'll protect outcasts and is willing to give them a purpose because for no greater motive other#than to make a home...call people who feel like home.#gin and kdj ARE character foils but the foil is crumpled up and thrown back. only when you open it up you'll know that every crease#is intertwined. every messy fold is NOT meaningless. even if it's rotten work they'll do it again and again and again#OR MAYBE#these two media are alike for the dick jokes and shameless references but anyway hahaha#one day I'll write a gintama style orv fic to prove what y'all are missing...gintama fics are absolute GOLD in the wild.#kim dokja#sakata gintoki#gintama#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint
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