#ken penders mention

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[sonknuxadow]

i don't really like locke i kind of can't stand him actually but he's also one of those characters that's really fun to laugh at like he's canonically divorced . he microwaved his son when he was an egg because he had a bad dream . he died twice and one of the issues where he dies is dedicated to ken penders actual real life dead dad and its the biggest jumpscare ever. he's even homophobic

[un-pearable]

HE KNOWS. PENDERS

[sorenlionheart]

the more i think about it the more i realize that archie sonic wouldn't be nearly as infamous if it happened in the context of a superhero book rather than sonic the hedgehog lol

[radiantrookie]

SEGA Mandates explained with their exceptions

Game characters cannot have family members unless they were established in the game canon (Because Archie went overboard).

Game characters cannot be killed off.

Sonic cannot cry or get too emotional.

Exception: Sonic Prime didn't follow this rule despite being canon.

The terms Mobius and Mobians are banned, during the early 2010s, Earth was called "Sonic's World" because they wanted to appeal to 90s Boomers who hate Sonic living on Earth without calling it Mobius, it died down later though.

Exception: Ian Flynn has stated SEGA recanonized Sonic Spinball, which takes place in Mobius, so it exists somewhere in game canon, Veg-O-Fortress even has a cameo in Sonic Origins, Ian also stated Spinball takes place in between Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic 3D Blast.

The heroes must always win at the end.

Characters and elements from Non Canon media cannot be used, Cosmo and the Metarex were potentially allowed to appear but according Ian Flynn, they're off the table now, the Metal Virus serves as a replacement for Robotization, Eggperial City serves as a replacement for Robotropolis, Restoration serves as a replacment for the Freedom Fighters.

Exceptions:

Sonic liking Chili Dogs (90s Cartoons)

Eggman's "I hate that Hedgehog!" and "Snooping as usual" lines (Aosth)

Scratch and Grounder appear in Eggman's livestream in one of the covers for IDW 40

Sonic's "Let's do it, to it" line (Satam)

Sonic being referred to as the "Fastest thing alive" (Satam)

Sonic Spinball being canon again, somwhat canonizes Sally, Bunnie, Rotor, Muttski and Scratch, Ian Flynn has clarified they're just cameos for now but could be a backdoor to make them canon if SEGA chooses to (Aosth, Satam, Archie)

In one of the covers for IDW 31, Storm's mugshot mentions he was arrested by the Knothole Village Police (Satam, Archie)

Tails being afraid of lightning (OVA)

Knuckles's cowboy hat (OVA)

Vector's crush on Vanilla (Sonic X)

Cream's favorite show, the NEXT Show (Sonic X)

The Chaotix Office building appears in the Sonic Channel Comics (Sonic X)

Sticks the Badger appears in the Sonic Channel Comics and is mentioned in English Sonic Frontiers (Sonic Boom)

The Eggnet has been canonized in both IDW and the Games (Archie)

The GUN Commander's name, Abraham Tower (Archie)

Bark being mute (Archie)

Bean and Bark working with Fang as a trio, Sonic even calls them the Hooligans (Archie)

Sally and Bunnie cameo in one of the Sonic Forces prequel comics with their Archie designs (Archie)

Shadow's Chaos Spear being shaped like an actual spear that he can throw or use as a melee weapon (Archie)

Badniks from Sonic Mega Drive appear in Classic IDW (Archie)

The term, Super Badnik (Archie)

Male characters that aren't humans, can't wear pants.

Exception: Tails Nine is allowed to wear pants.

Classic Era characters aren't allowed to appear in Modern Era and vice versa, during the 2010s there was the Two Dimensions retcon because of it, however they later removed it, Team Chaotix are also not allowed to appear in Classic because they considered Sonic Heroes to be their first appearance, however Knuckles Chaotix was recanonized in Tailstube, in the same episode, they acknowledge Mighty, Ray and Fang's Gang and teased a Modern Trip, recently, SEGA is considering retiring Classic Sonic after the disappointment of Sonic Superstars.

Exception: a Classic Froggy appears in various Sonic PICT artwork

Only one Metal Sonic is allowed, not multiple (They must really dislike Shard and Metallix)

Exceptions:

Metal Sonic 3.0 from Sonic Rivals 2

Chaos Sonic and Grim Sonic from Sonic Prime were allowed

Shadow: He has the most guidelines out of any character, most of them come from SEGA wanting Shadow to remain an Anti-Hero and not be too heroic, however SEGA has easied up on these with Shadow Generations

Knuckles: Knuckles is the only Echidna and only resident of Angel Island besides Chao and Baby Animals, (Ken Penders lol), Knuckles is also not allowed leave Angel Island without a reason now, prolly due to critiques with games like Heroes

Silver: Silver's Future is off limits, only SEGA can explore that, if they ever choose to

Super Forms: Male hedgehogs are the only ones allowed to go Super, this has been changed with Sonic Superstars and Otherworld Comedy.

Humans: Due to complaints from 90s Boomers, Humans besides Eggman weren't allowed until Shadow Generations

Romance: Characters can have crushes but they can't date or get married.

Money: Only Team Chaotix can talk about money

Rings: Ian Flynn was told Rings were no longer canon, however Rings appear in Sonic Prime and cutscenes in The Final Horizon, which Ian didn't know about

Special Stages: No longer canon and Fang's bio of living in the Special Stages is retconned

Off Limits Characters: These characters can only be used by SEGA/Sonic Team only:

Eggman Nega

Black Doom

Solaris (Mephiles and Iblis)

Infinite

[comicaurora]

Can you elaborate on the Knuckles not being allowed to have a family??? My only exposure to the Sonic franchise is the Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, you mentioning it on livestreams, and smash bros

Legend has it that if you say the word "echidna" three times in a mirror Ken Penders appears to sue you for copyright infringement

[stumblingjeba]

@kissankultakala

SO UM

HUH???????????????????????????????

[proshippers-against-censorship]

In response to this post: https://www.tumblr.com/proshippers-against-censorship/761143924342554624/let-me-guessif-sonic-the-hedgehog-is-considered?source=share

Hi, I'm a Sonic fan and I wanted to compile a list of things that have happened in the series that would probably be considered "problematic":

Basically everything Ken Penders ever did. (Seriously, it's a MESS)

A character named Mello Bee accidentally eats a chili dog that has been laced with LSD and dies from it. I couldn't tell you why they decided to do this. (Archie comics)

Knuckles the Echidna walks into an establishment, sees scantily clad women, blushes, and runs out while confused about a "strange feeling". (Sonic X)

Maria, a young and terminally ill girl, is murdered by the military during their pursuit of Shadow the Hedgehog. (Sonic Adventure 2)

In an internal document leak prior to Sonic 06's release, Blaze the Cat's character introduction sheet originally stated that she was self-conscious about her small chest.

Rouge the Bat was designed to be a secret agent/femme fatale character, which might be considered inappropriate because she's flirtatious and has big boobs, I guess?

In various media, characters have been depicted drinking alcohol. I cannot confirm whether Sonic characters carry ID or not.

Sonic murders the villain by trapping him in a magic lamp and then dropping it into lava. Sonic usually doesn't explicitly kill people, not even villains, so this action highlights the often-unexplored complexity of his character. (Sonic and the Secret Rings)

Princess Elise kisses Sonic's corpse to resurrect him. This particular scene has always been contentious, with people saying that it's necrophilia and bestiality - I personally don't think it's either of those things because 1) Elise's intention for kissing Sonic is solely to save his life and 2) Sonic is sapient and expresses some degree of interest in Elise throughout the game. (Sonic the Hedgehog 2006)

Rouge the Bat flirts with a human police officer named Topaz. This involves Rouge making a suggestive joke about handcuffs to which Topaz blushes in response. In one episode, they are seen sitting at a café table together which could be interpreted as a date. Despite them not getting along at first, Topaz cries when Rouge says goodbye and returns to her own world. (Sonic X)

Concept art shows that Sonic was planned to have a human love interest named Madonna. Also, as mentioned in the two points above, human/anthro relationships are somewhat explored in official media despite Madonna herself never making it past the concept stage, suggesting that SEGA is still open to the idea even if it's not blatant.

That's everything I could remember off the top of my head, but with Sonic being such a long-running franchise (ba-dum-tsh), I'm certain there's more. Maybe others can add to the list. :)

Insane.

[theliterarywolf]

"Which is why I'm certain that the whole thing is less 'Heaven is evil' and more 'even angels have no idea what's going on, hence Sera's out here making faces that are the embodiment of 'I'm SHOOK'" Considering the conspicuous lack of mention of God (iirc), I'm suspecting (read: Hoping) that he's the one ultimately pulling strings for betterment across Creation and is the one who sent Pentious not only to Heaven, but directly into the Seraphim's laps. And that the reason he's not around is because he pulled a Supernatural!God and left because he got sick of watching his creations kill and be cruel to each other constantly. The reason Charlie's little story at the beginning seemed to act as if Heaven collectively started everything is because Lucifer would obviously be petty towards his former boss who booted him and his wife out. (You know before Supernatural fucked that up and went "jk God's actually evil lmao" in the last season) Also re: Ken Penders. I could swear he actually deleted his Twitter account, so if that's the case no need to worry! cross your fingers!

Imagine Hazbin ending with an incredibly down-to-earth conversation between God and Charlie, like:

Charlie - You're in charge of... not just Heaven but EVERYTHING! Why didn't you step in?! God - Oh, little one... Just as inquisitive as your father. And just as fiery as your mother. I'll let you in on a little secret. Sometimes when you do just enough, people will be able to wonder if you did anything at all. Look at your little hotel. Yes, Adam and Lute's little temper-tantrum caused it to be destroyed, but in the wake of that destruction..? Charlie - We were able to make it bigger. God - Now you're starting to get it. Just as you can't force sinners into redemption, I can't force people into doing my will. They have to discover it on their own. Hm? Charlie - I... guess that makes sense. God - Thatta girl. Now, go on. I'm sure that Saint Pentious and Emily aren't going to be able to keep Sera from blowing a gasket much longer. Oh, Charlie? One more thing? Charlie - Oh, uh... Sure! God - Do me a solid and tell Vagatha to visit every once and a while. She was able to remember her wings, after all.

And, of course, the Hellaverse design for God is a giant eyeball or something.

[sonknuxadow]

man im so tired of seeing people say they found news about sonic 3 or the knuckles series or sonic prime or whatever and then i start thinking oh really what is it . only for their "source" to be imdb. sometimes i feel like the only person on earth who knows that people add fake information to imdb literally all the time

[vilegato]

That image aint official either, it's a render made by @vladim-3d

I mentioned archie because Archie shouldn't be the least thing used as an example in this franchise lmao doesn't matter who was writing or whatever. That thing isn't consistent at all

does sonic twitter even know who sonic is

[doubleddenden]

Btw, if anyone is lost about Emerl showing up on the Space Colony Ark (it's fine, it's been like 15 years since he was mentioned), here's some journals by Gerald lifted from Sonic Battle, where Emerl originated

Watch an LP of Sonic Battle for more details. You could also read up on Sonic Advance 3's "Gemerl" (Eggman's clone if him that Tails basically reprogrammed to be Cream's friend) or the Gizoids made by the Nocturnus Clan of Sonic Chronicles (it's stated to be the "4th Great Civilization" mentioned in Gerald's journal, but it should be noted the JP end only calls the Civilization "one of" the four great Civilizations, and also Chronicles is sort of a legal and canon Grey area because of Ken Penders and his petty bullshit, so it might be scrapped).

A base line to understand is that Emerl- aka the Gizoid- is an ancient weapon that copies data and merges with machinery, even copying pieces of personalities. With 1 Emerald he almost destroyed the Ark, and he became so power hungry with 7 that he almost destroyed the world and had to be destroyed by Sonic and the gang after they helped teach him how to be his own self.

Gerald actually imparted a bit of a heart inspired by Maria into both Shadow and Emerl, so the two are kinda like Super Weapon step brothers.

[etaleah]

Why Not Ship Sonic with Knuckles Instead?

Why is it that, when Shadow and Knuckles have such similar personalities and dynamics with Sonic, do some people prefer to ship Sonic with Shadow instead of Knuckles? Wouldn’t a Sonic and Knuckles relationship offer the same thing and be more believable since those two are friends?

The answer (in my opinion) is no, it would not, and here’s why I find a Sonic and Knuckles relationship both less believable and less interesting.

(Disclaimer that I’m not knocking anyone who does like the ship. I have no problem with it; it’s just not for me)

Now the first issue I would see with a Sonic and Knuckles pairing is logistics. Knuckles is stationary; Sonic is free-roaming. Never being able to stay in one place for long is a big part of Sonic’s character, and staying in one place for a long time is kind of Knuckles’ whole thing. He guards the Master Emerald and never leaves Angel Island unless he has to, and never for very long if he can help it. Having to stay in an isolated place for a long time would drive Sonic crazy. Maybe a good fanfic writer could reconcile this by playing up the “being in love with you makes me want to stay” schtick, but even that I think would only work for so long. Knuckles wants to stay where he is because that’s his home and he feels an obligation to it. Sonic wants to travel and go where he pleases. And while we don’t know where Shadow lives, it’s safe to assume he’s probably living at least a somewhat nomadic lifestyle because the one permanent home he did have was destroyed. So I think he and Sonic would work better just from that standpoint if nothing else. Shadow has moved on from his past, but Knuckles is still very much tethered to his.

My other issue is that these characters don’t clash over the same things. As I mentioned in my Sonadow post, Sonic and Shadow fight over serious ideological differences that both are equally passionate about defending. When Sonic and Knuckles fight, however, it’s usually because Knuckles got tricked into falling for an Eggman scheme that almost any other character would have immediately seen right through. There are exceptions to this, I’m sure, like in the movie where they fight over which parent was on the right side in the war, but a lot of times they fight because Knuckles is just so dang gullible. Instead of both of them being passionate, it’s more one-sided where Knuckles is passionate but Sonic is smirking at what a dumbass he thinks his friend is. I don’t find that nearly as satisfying to explore and write about.

There’s other factors as well. I think Shadow would be drawn to Sonic because he reminds him of Maria. They’re both blue and kind-hearted, they both love the world and want to protect it, and they both want to explore and hate being trapped in one place for a long time (only in Maria’s case, she can’t really do anything about it). Knuckles doesn’t really have anyone like that in his life. There’s not really any reason for him to be drawn to Sonic in that way, at least no more so than he would be drawn to Amy, Tails, or any other good-hearted person in the series. He admires Sonic for his bravery and good morals, sure, but I imagine he admires Cream for the same reason. The only family we see Knuckles have (outside the Ken Penders comics) is his dad, who always just kinda seems like an older version of Knuckles. Shadow being with Maria makes me think of Shadow being with Sonic, while Knuckles being with his dad just makes me think of Knuckles being with his future self.

And finally, there’s the speed. Only Shadow is a match for Sonic in a race. Knuckles could beat Sonic in a fight, where it’s a contest of strength and power, but he could never beat Sonic in a race. Only Shadow can keep up with him in a race. And I just think there’s something romantic and cool about that.

Knuckles and Shadow may have a lot in common, but they are not the same character. And neither is their dynamic with Sonic.

[crusherthedoctor]

Legacy. The Freedom fighters existed far longer than many of the official characters and the fleetway/Sonic X characters, and have endured the test of time.

Look at it this way, Jimmy Olson is a Superman character, right? Well, funny thing is that he didn't originate in the superman comics but came from a radio show of all things back when radio was the largest media (30s-50s)

Now does Jimmy Olson contribute much to Superman's story? No

Is he the most important character in the superman lore? No

But is he still a beloved character that people like? Hell yes.

Legacy should matter, the freedom fighters were there when the sonic franchise was faltering, and they deserve some recognition.

This is just a burial of characters that Sega owns unlike say the fleetway characters, they don't belong to Archie or Ken Penders and have every right to be acknowledged.

But here we are, Sega taking the backhoe and burying them deep, hoping we would forget them.

Meanwhile, they keep shitting out one mediocre game after the other.

The Freedom Fighters are not as important or key to Sonic's success as you think they are. They're no more essential to Sonic's world than characters from AoStH, Underground, Boom, or any other adaptation that's a thing of the past (before you mention Sticks, she was quietly retired as well following Boom's end). You preferring them doesn't change that, and neither does the popularity of Archie or SatAM. Because lest we forget, the movies are also quite popular, and so are a few of their characters.

If we're judging things by the loose definition of legacy, then the games themselves have a "legacy" of three decades as of this year, and what's more, Archie Sonic and SatAM would never have existed in the first place if it weren't for the games. Yet you're quick to trash them in favor of characters you believe to be superior solely because you say so.

Legacy alone, and standing the test of time (which in itself is debatable BTW), doesn't make a character good by default. Characters ought to be judged by their quality, not by how old or how recent they are. Characters like Sonic and Eggman do have a legacy, yes, but they are literally the main hero and main villain of the entire scope of the franchise, and are not comparable to some team from a dead cartoon and a dead comic that fans happen to like.

SEGA are not deliberately singling the Freedom Fighters out and trying to wipe people's memories of them specifically. They've simply moved on from a now-defunct branch of the franchise, as they did with every other adaptation that is no longer relevant. That's not to say you can't miss these characters, but attitudes like this highlight an inflated persecution complex shared by many of the most aggressive FF stans.

And if we're going to give the Freedom Fighters an obligatory pat on the back for simply happening to exist during down periods of the franchise, then we might as well do the same for all those game characters that also existed during those same periods.

[justanotherautist]

Tbf I think he was going more for those bogus "local weirdo gives out amphetamines to children as Halloween candy" stories which while still woefully inaccurate to how young people actually get addicted to drugs, I can't say they were substantially less realistic than normal D.A.R.E programmes

It’s been suggested that this issue might be some sort of anti-drug PSA thing. A Very Special Issue of Knuckles the Echidna, if you will. This is entirely possible. The “war on drugs” was big in the 90s, after all, and lots of children’s media attempted to tackle the issue

The problem is, the arc isn’t framed like that at all. It doesn’t have all the classic DARE-style warnings about the dangers of peer pressure. You know, the part where the cool kids convince an innocent tween to smoke a cigarette or something to fit in? Mello didn’t even know he was drugged. All of the victims in this story are getting drugged by eating food laced with LSD from an amusement park

It also doesn’t break character to tell the audience “winners don’t do drugs” or anything like that. In this issue at least, they never address the subject directly. And while the references to LSD are painfully obvious to adult readers, kids reading at the time might not have even picked up on the drug aspect because they avoided calling it a drug. They just kept saying the kids were “poisoned”

So if this is supposed to be some kind of anti-drug PSA arc, it’s not really doing its job. It does a better job convincing me not to buy food at a theme park

[lore-of-mobius]

Is Sonic Chronicles The Dark Brotherhood Canon?

So on page 143 of The Sonic The Hedgehog Encyclo-Speed-Ia when talking about the Gizoids it mentions they once had an origin which was in Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood, this was dropped from canon thus making the Gizoids origins a mystery. This is obviously because of the what happened between SEGA and Archie and one Ken Pender.