#kant vs fadel

[bird-inacage]

The Heart Killers | Fadel vs Kantbison (EP3/EP1)

In Episode 3, Fadel looks like he's having the 'I give you permission to date my daughter' talk 😂 Also, I love Kant's smug ass smile whenever Fadel looks ready to punch him in the face. The tension between them is so damn good - protective brother vs possessive lover.

[fandomfanservice]

The Heart Killers Fandom, let’s just be honest (unlike Kant 😉) we are all just waiting for episode 6… Christmas just happens to be on the same damn day!

[ropebunnykant]

the sound the book made when hitting babe’s head fucking sent me

[secriden]

There's something so tragically poetic and yet justly deserved about the way Kant has to get Bison wasted and drugged and emotionally manipulate him using Kant's friend and his own baby brother in all his attempts to get behind the wall Bison has between them...

...while Style gets to enjoy Fadel intentionally and purposefully drinking himself careless and honest and open, and watch as Fadel himself dismantles as much of that very same wall in his desire to let Style in.

Because Style, at least, knew very little up until the point of becoming boyfriends with Fadel, so he has the confidence of succeeding on the effectiveness of his own genuine courtship (as insane as it was), while the very insight that gives Kant an edge in all his dealings with Bison also ensures that he never had the assurance of safety (particularly with Bison's more volatile and primal instincts vs Fadel's preference towards reason and logic) that gave Style the ability to chip at Fadel's walls to begin with.

[massy2ly]

Quick personal observation/interpretation of each BOYFRIEND in ep 5 because I’m absolutely floored by how well the actors managed to emphasize their differences.

Jojo the talented man that you are… it takes so much skill to highlight different dynamics while the couples are still stuck in that gray zone full of secrets, trauma and lies.

- Kant vs. Style: Style in this episode was everything I wished to see. I was a little skeptical about how he was going to act around Fadel after learning the truth. Is he going to be scared? Is he going to act like Kant and be all lovey dovey while avoiding any dangerous topic that might make him look suspicious? Is he going to put a mask on too and come across as oblivious and innocent? NOOOOO. He was a stark opposite of Kant and that’s exact what I wanted. Not because I don’t like Kant or anything but I just wanted that refreshing contrast between them.

Kant has opted for the lover boy disguise since ep 1. Charming, down to earth, normal, unproblematic, gentlemanly, pliant. He wanted to appear innocent too but when Bison learned about his criminal past he couldn’t keep up that lie for too long. So he turned that innocence into redemption. A thief became a hero, an avoidant guy with commitment issues became devoted and loyal. A man seeking redemption and a regular relationship with a cute, pretty and ordinary waiter. That’s how he wanted to get close to Bison as a way to avoid raising suspicion, to steer clear of any danger that comes with this hitman. SAFETY came first In his book and he was smart enough to figure out that Bison needed exactly that: a new standard life and to forget who he is.

Style on the hand… many of us had suspected that his curiosity and growing feelings would overrun his fear of Fadel. Style is smart but he’s also bold, confident, extremely curious, spontaneous and likes risks. But what’s interesting here is that, contrary to Kant, Style is at peace with himself and his emotions. He always allow himself to feel and express those feelings. This, in addition to his curiosity, could explain why he flirted with danger in ep 5. He needed to figure out what he was feeling, he wanted to unravel the mystery around Fadel. While Kant keeps fighting himself and his love for Bison because he’s convinced there’s no other way, Style can’t help himself. While Kant constantly tries to remind himself that Bison is a hitman, Style in ep 5 is digging for Fadel’s humanity, anything that could legitimize his feelings for him or explain why Fadel is the way he is. We see this so clearly with Style’s confessions, raw feelings that caught Kant by surprise and even pushed him, FOR THE FIRST TIME, to admit that he, too, likes Bison. Style’s open attitude and straightforwardness exposed not only Fadel in ep 5 but also Kant (fucking finally).

- Bison vs. Fadel: these two are so different, we knew that since ep 1 and it’s reflected in how they act in a relationship too. It may or may not be because Fadel had experienced betrayal or/and loss in his past relationship.

Bison has a childlike rawness to him that fuels his hope. Sometimes it comes across as naivety, especially during his exchanges with Fadel as the contrast in their personalities brings that out. Bison not only wants a normal and carefree life but he’s high key convinced that it’s achievable for him, despite being an assassin. He’s a little whimsical and likes to forget who he is by putting himself in the shoes of someone ordinary. I think that’s why he’s so drawn to Kant and that’s why Kant acts like a “honorable citizen” (lol James) around him.

You just have to see how their relationship developed compared to Fadel and Style’s. It had a traditional flair to it: the courting, the dates, the handholding and sweet words, the soft tone with which they talk, THE BED (that one took a while for the other two lol). It appealed to Bison because it gave him a sense of fun, safety and normalcy. Unlike Fadel, Bison acts sweet and avoids scaring off Kant, unless his emotions get the better of him. He prefers not carrying that sense of danger and warning sign around him, which would’ve worked if he wasn’t so temperamental.

Fadel on the other hand doesn’t want to forget who he is and is convinced he would never be able to turn over a new leaf. Call me sadistic but I really, really liked how he’s still pushing Style away, even after he agreed to be his boyfriend. The way he’s doing it rn is so sad and beautiful because it’s doubled with this new vulnerability that just… ugh left me feeling all sort of things. I just love how honest he is with Style (minus that ex lover thingy he denied or idk). He doesn’t pretend to be someone he’s not, he doesn’t ignore his reality. I even think he’s loosened his hold on the dangerous aura he carries because in ep 5, he’s very straightforward with Style. Before, he would just act annoyed like a hardass who can handle himself but still avoided raising suspicion. The shift in ep 5 is CRAZY. He told Style on numerous occasions: “look I’m dangerous, you need to leave. I won’t trust you and I can’t give you what you want because I don’t think anyone can love me enough to stay by my side through this.”

[bubbipond]

I honestly think the argument/debate people are having about FadelStyle is missing an important tidbit. On one end, some believe Fadel is playing Style and only agreed to be his boyfie to ultimately get to the bottom of Kant/Style. Others think Fadel is opening his heart to Style because of pent-up emotions. But I think both things can be true while simultaneously being completely false. The story is meant to show you that everything isn't black and white. Meaning you can root for the mislead "bad guys" while also rooting for the selfish and morally gray "good guys".

The thing is, Fadel isn't stupid and neither is Style. Maybe Fadel is starting to like Style, maybe he completely doesn't and is trying to figure everything out. But logically, the Fadel we have seen is way too logical to fully do either. If the flashbacks we've seen so far about Fadel and Bison's lives are to be considered true, then Fadel is canonically the levelheaded one and one step ahead. He is also better at their job than Bison is, as Bison is quite sloppy. I actually think that Bison isn't as naive as he plays up, just emotional and traumatized.

Bringing this back to FadelStyle, I don't think either assumption is 100% correct. While I believe that Fadel is breaking character around Style, I do not believe he thoroughly trusts him. He can't because Style is a direct link to the one person he finds to be the shadiest, Kant. Maybe if he didn't know that so early I would believe he's 100% trying out the boyfie thing. But since that is not the case, here are the two things I think could be true:

Fadel is sus about Kant/Style and is using Style's "attraction" to him to get information. But, the issue with that is, that he is attracted to Style, physically and somewhat mentally, which is also making it hard for him to compartmentalize the two besties. So without the ability to separate the Style that he is seeing vs the Style that could be beneath the surface, his plan begins to crack and he begins to lean into the idea that maybe Style is just into him in the coming episodes (making the betrayal hit harder because had he trusted his gut, they wouldn't be betrayed).

He wants to believe someone is choosing him so bad that he gives Style a chance even though he doesn't fully believe that something isn't off between Kant and Style. And instead of being sus about it, he instead wants to believe Style is different and leans into Bison-level naivety for once.

[befuddledcinnamonroll]

Heart Killers time, woot woot!

I do have to say, watching what's happening with Jack & Joker right now, I hope people are not letting their expectations get ahead of them with this one either... though I know that's probably a futile wish. Expectation is such a thief of joy, y'all.

Anyway, my only expectation in this is I will have a good time, so let's do it!

How this man doesn't just expire from Bison doing this to him, I have no idea.

Oh, this line. Jojo knows us so well.

Ooh, we're having a black vs red debate!

In Bison's defense, he looks really good in red.

Something cracks me up about Kant looking for hookups at the bowling alley. Is that really good hunting ground? Maybe in Thailand? Definitely not in the U.S.

Oh Jojo, you bad, bad man.

I am gonna get full on obsessed with Dunk's tummy, aren't I?

Also just realizing how much of this show I am going to spend thinking how good the pairings of FirstDunk & JoongKhaotung could be...

Lolol, target acquired!

Ha, this is so me when a man tries to tell me what to do.

I like Bison being all "if you wanna fuck me, just say so". We have a very direct man here.

Nooooo, Style don't be a stupid driver.

I was not expecting an early Fadel/Style meetup! See, it's fate.

Way to make a horrible first impression Style! But I am loving how their dynamics are. Fadel is such a tight ass, it's gonna be great when he cracks.

Quite a first time scene for our boys! And people say GMMTV is gonna tamp down the gay, lololol.

Also can we take a moment to admire this shot? The red, the mirrors, there's a lot going on here. Beautiful.

I like that the burger uniforms are a mix of Fadel & Bison colorwise.

I also think it's hilarious that Fadel ordered black plastic gloves to maintain his aesthetic.

Omg, I am dying that Bison shot a gun at karaoke. He's a little disaster.

Hmmmm, mother? Interesting...

Ooh, silver fox alert!

Always appreciate some eye candy for us older fans.

Ah, of course the cop is a manipulative jerk. Hot, but a jerk.

Ain't this just a mood.

Heh, when the man you just had mind-blowing sex with turns out to be an assassin you have to stalk. If I had a nickel...

Oh, I think Style is gonna be my favorite. Dumb and chaotic.

As much as I enjoy a height difference couple, there is something about two men who are the exact same height...

Also love the black & white - because they are opposites!

Wait...does Bison not know how to cook burgers? Did... did he just put the raw patty on the board they use to chop veggies? Am I going to get stressed about food safety in this action romcom?!

I like that Fadel has this subtle air of general menace about him.

Aaaaah, bashful Bison is so cute!!!!! "Take me out...nooooo...really?"

This boy desperately wants to be loved. My heart.

Style is a slutty menace and I love him!

I also love that they are establishing the attraction is there before the deal gets made.

Ah, I was wondering if Kant was a philosophical reference!

Does Jojo have a "First eating burgers" fetish? That's been two extreme closeups in one episode. Just sayin'.

"Crazy and bold" is pretty spot on for Style!

Oh don't try to complain Style, you know you want him.

Ok, the yellow & purple... Are these their real colors, or the ones hiding their real colors as they embark on their mission?

Another costuming note - both Kant & Style had sunglasses as part of their outfits when they started their lying... love that little detail.

Good lord, that many beers and I'd be peeing every two minutes.

Oh! Fadel figuring out they're friends already! What a twist!

This was so much fun!

[lazzarella]

Bison being all 'who tf is this random customer trying to get me to go to the bathroom with him' when Kant showed up in a cap and glasses vs Fadel immediately clocking Style in the cap and glasses (because it's the most transparent disguise ever) and rolling his eyes so hard I thought they'd stay permanently raised skyward is both super funny and a nice utilisation of mirrored/parallel scenes to show us their differences as characters

[gunsatthaphan]

Just wanted to speak up on your comment about The Heart Killers trailer being subpar from a trailer perspective--because I agree. It feels like a trailer made with intention that you already know a lot of context as opposed to being for someone who has no idea what's happening going in.

I watched it knowing that there was going to be some sort of Shakespeare interpretation and that it was likely going to be Taming of the Shrew; knowing that, a lot of the plot elements and dynamics came together more clearly in the trailer. If you had no idea, you'd be totally lost because it's using TOTS as a conceptual basis rather than something totally literal, and then it's also using that concept to jumpstart a rather big plot that isn't well explained. So much is happening that it looks like nothing is happening at all. Essentially, even though First and Khao may be representing the "secondary couple" of TOTS, the reason is because their characters are actually driving the plot. Jojo is using the scenario to jumpstart his story.

Lucentio and Hortencio are combined into Kant, who is initially less interested in ensuring he woos Bison/Bianca because he's in love and wants to court them like the original; rather his goals as a "spy" are the priority (ergo all those conflicted shots of Kant because he inadvertently fell in love in 0.5 seconds but still has a job). Bison is more central in wanting to play matchmaker for Fadel because he's invested in Kant (warping the "daddy won't let me" passive plot of the original into a more active "big bro won't let me (because we're assassins)" and creating a very different dynamic that we see in a few scenes; though Bianca is involved in TTIHAY to an extent). Kant's conflict between his job and his heart is probably going to take center stage in their portion of the story.

Joong and Dunk's Katherina and Petruchio have a dynamic more reminiscent of TTIHAY than the original TOTS with its intention to develop a genuine romance between Petruchio/Style and Katherina/Fadel and bring Kat/Fadel out of their closed off shell pretty clear and not...legit tame the shrew. And all of this is not even mentioning the dynamics arising from the practicalities of the assassin vs. infiltrators plotline (which was under-explained--like it seems like vigilante work given the context clues). "Trust" is probably going to be a strong theme across the board. Jojo, as you well know, has strong credentials in balancing drama with comedy, so I think this has a lot of potential. Everyone emphasized that this is a rom-com dressed as an action drama.

It's pretty clear to me that the four of them are going to be treated pretty equally (strong 4-person plot with lots of intertwining elements) and it seems like Aof weirdly even went out of his way to imply on Twitter that FK having strong scripts/characters was a priority for all of them.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant. I just wanted to put words to why you might be feeling the way that you did about the trailer and maybe even allay some fears. I never want to have too high expectations (I did the same with Only Friends lol), but I don't want to sell this short either.

okay so anon sent this back in April on the day of the lineup/THK announcement and I put it into my drafts with the intention to revisit it closer to the THK premiere date, but eventually forgot about it lol.

I didn't want to delete it however because obviously anon took some time to write this and it's intriguing to read. So in case you see this anon, thank you so much for this detailed analysis and sorry for letting it sit for so long, I think you're making some excellent points. I have not read the original TOTS but it's interesting to compare your notes to the final show and assigning the TOTS/TTIHAY characters to the ones in THK.

So I'm just gonna post this into existence for anyone who's interested - feel free to comment your thoughts below! 😊

xxx

[scrumptiousstuffs]

Confession: I'm way more interested in Kant being conflicted and torn between wanting to be with his baby bro and all the things he has to do to to make that happen vs whatever he's doing with Bison than I am about Bison's stuff and I want it to last a while, but I feel like saying so would get me labeled a hater. People really really don't seem to care about anything to do with Kant aside from how it effects Bison so I'm going to have no one to talk to when the show starts airing.

Anon, The Heart Killers is being labelled as romantic-comedy starring KantBison and StyleFadel. So, the bulk of the show will be exploring the ups and downs of these 2 couples first and foremost.

Without doubt, Jojo and his team will explore the family dynamics between Bison and Fadel (as well as Keen, their older brother and adopted mother). Similarly, there will be scenes of Kant and Babe. After all, it's the premise of Kant being threaten with Babe's custody that made him accept the job of spying on Bison/Fadel (we know this fact from what First told us recently during the THK book launch). However, Jojo will likely intertwine these storylines more on a background to allow relationship between our 2 couples take center stage.

Also, you said that you are more interest in Kant being conflicted/ torn with what he has to do to make sure Babe is allowed in his life. Well, Kant/Style "thing to do" is to seduce the brothers for information (that's basically the premise of the show) - in a nutshell, you won't be able to escape scenes of KantBison and StyleFadel being wooed.

If you want a show that focuses more on family dynamics (with romance as secondary), then I think you pick the wrong series. May I suggest Double Savage (featuring Ohm Pawat & Perth Tanapon) or 10 Years Ticket (featuring Ohm Pawat, Tu Towan, Off Jumpol & View Benyapa) instead?

I might be wrong, but it seems to me, you have been reading some Tweets who are already pitting camp Bison versus Kant (with both camps already waging war on a show that has not yet started)...Don't do that anon (you are just going to make yourself anxious). Just wait until the show airs and then make your own judgement.

And well, if you want to bounce out your ideas about Kant because that's who you are interested in as a character, you can always write your analysis of his character/thoughts of the show in your blog. I can guarantee you, there will be people who will be interested to read and analyse it with you. After all, there are so many Tumblr blogs out there doing in-depth analysis of BL characters and their shows - we don't all have to agree with each other regarding our favourite characters (or actors/actresses). Just as long as we are respectful!

[bird-inacage]

The Heart Killers: EP3 Preview (Fadel vs Kant)

HOLD. UP. So next episode, I would assume after Bison and Kant get freaky, (and whilst murder kitten is presumedly passed out?) Kant begins snooping around the house and is caught by Fadel. How on earth does he plan to explain himself?

KANT: Uh yeaaah, so, erhhh. I know how this must look. [Glances over to the bedroom where Bison is still asleep and naked]. Please don't shoot me.

Here's how things will appear to go; Kant goes to find Bison at the burger joint earlier in the day, invites him out on a date at a bar. Kant and Bison engage in a drinking game during their night out. If Kant wins, they go to Bison's house and get kinky. If Bison wins, they go to Kant's and get kinky. (I mean it's a win-win as far as I'm concerned). But alas our man Kant has got a mission to do. Chris is getting impatient and is urging him to rifle through the house for more clues.

Kant wins as we do get the highly anticipated BDSM scene in Bison's bedroom. Which then leads to the confrontation with Fadel above (presumably) after aforementioned kinky shit happens. I just wonder how on earth they're going to diffuse this situation.

Fadel's going to be like: 'You fucked my brother AGAIN? In MY goddamn house? AND you're being HELLA SUS?!'

[fandomfanservice]

The Heart Killers Fandom, so that was episode 6 not 11 right? Merry Christmas?!

Kindly address your therapy bills for 2025 to P’Jojo not P’Aof 😉

So many great things about this episode

Morning after

Dad meet

More Shakespeare (makes me want to watch O agin)

Happy Brothers sharing and hoping

Last best night dates

Close Shave and save

One week later pining

The reveal, painfully beautiful as it was. It was bound to happen. Worst police op ever!

Fadel and Style, I can’t even…..I just need them together just being them. Everything is forgiven just let them be happy.

Kant…….

Bison…we aren’t ready but we get it.

And of course next week’s preview, what a way to welcome 2025🫣😳😊

Credit as always to the gif creators and owners

[ropebunnykant]

the juxaposition in this show is crazy. what do you mean bison is introducing kant to bdsm at the same time fadel and style are struggling to keep their restaurant afloat. pornhub vs disney what is GOING ON

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So I was pondering just why I like Style so much and why his specific "failings" and imperfections are so compelling to me - and I think it's because all the other main characters are flawed in ways that are obvious but not very relatable.

Fadel and Bison are murders. Regardless of their motivations and how much they buy into Mama Lilly's propaganda, they still have taken lives and do so with little remorse. Kant is actively lying to, manipulating and taking advantage of Bison and Style (his supposed best friend) for his own ends with seemingly very little compunction. Yes, he's got his reasons; but still.

And then you have Style. His major flaw is that he is thoughtless and selfish and he doesn't seem to understand how to leash in his impulsive desires. This means he constantly ignores or crosses Fadel's boundaries to the point that, by the end of episode 3, is genuinely hurtful. All the same, compared to the things Fadel, Bison, and Kant have done and are still doing (reminder: ep 3 opened with another murder/assassination), this is relatively tame.

But that's precisely why I think people are being so harsh to him vs the other characters. Many of us have felt like the victim of someone like this because it's so common and so we relate to Fadel's frustration and then hurt and anger, and that makes Style actions feel painful in a way that’s personal. Few of us have been victims of the level of violence or manipulation that Fadel and Bison and Kant are dishing out.

Yet that's precisely why I like Style - he's imperfect in ways that add realistic complexity to his character. Why would we expect a character who is bold, brash, and impulsive to also be thoughtful and considerate?? He acts before he can think about things: that's the whole point of his character. He juxtaposes Fadel perfectly because Fadel "plans everything down from years, months, weeks to days" and Style hasn't acted with more than 8 seconds of forethought in his life. It’s part of what makes him perfect for Kant's plan in the first place.

But then, but THEN once Style begins interacting with Fadel, we start to get moments when Style seems to still and become intensely focused - most notably:

Right after the confrontation in the locker rooms (sadly I don't think anyone's gif'ed this yet, so screenshots it is!)...

…after his conversation with Bison about Fadel…

…and when he watches Fadel beat 3 guys up with ease.

We are watching Style find reasons to grow. We are seeing moments when he’s catching himself, slowing down, thinking, wondering. And while it initially starts with curiosity, he so quickly falls into fascination and obsession, and by the end of episode 3 it’s clear he wants more. It's not just about understanding Fadel anymore, Style wants to have him for himself. And if he's going to be something meaningful to Fadel he’s going to have to mature.

This is why I find Style so interesting and so fun to watch. He’s loud, in your face, and obnoxious so the layers aren’t as obvious. We think there’s nothing more there, but his complexity is deceptively hidden while they’re ironically much clearer in the quiet characters like Fadel and Kant.

And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect this growth. Style is written TO HAVE ROOM TO GROW. And, yes, I do think Style is going to rise gloriously to the challenge. We already have hints that this is precisely where the narrative means to take him:

(Fuck, look at how soft and earnest Style's expression is in the left screenshot. ;A;)

He’s by no means perfect but that gives him space to have a hell of a character arc and I, for one, can’t wait for it. 🙌

[bentnotbroken1fanfiction]

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Everything about Style is just driving me feral with want to have THK right now, immediately.

The way he's all big, bold gestures and confident swagger; the way his introduction includes a literal arms-wide-open welcome. The overalls unbuttoned until nearly the middle of his chest and how he's the only one in the main cast to be (literally) this uncovered (everyone else has 2-3 layers on).

I wonder if this hints to how vulnerable his character is, narratively speaking: how he potentially is the one that starts out with the least information (apparently Kant doesn't tell him who Fadel and Bison are when he makes that deal with Style?); how he may be the least physically familiar with violence because he's just a mechanic (vs Kant's background with crime/the police. Also the way in the trailer Style is constantly in shock when Fadel does something violent around him); how he chooses with his heart even after he finds out the full truth about Fadel ("You know I know everything").

When he describes his life, it's so... innocent? We get a snapshot of what he thinks his life is about and it's: fixing cars, collecting vintage cars, bowling and hanging out with his best friend. Every other character's answers are layers of subterfuge and double meanings but Style's answers create such a contrast by being so unfiltered. This is a character that (at least at this point) is guileless and without agenda.

I'm so excited to see Style pursing Fadel. I'm so excited to see Fadel try to remain stoic and unmoved in the face of Style's unabashed interest and enthusiastic flirting. I'm excited to discover why Style goes from attraction to being willing to risk it all for Fadel.

But also -- in a very different way than what Kant will doubtless be to Bison -- I'm excited to see how Style will become an escape for Fadel. Fadel, who just wants to sleep for 25 hours (he's so exhausted) and live a normal life, maybe open a restaurant that isn't just a front and a cover for the illicit job he maybe no longer wants, who enjoys solitude but wants to find someone to spend it with (he sounds so desperately lonely, my heart breaks for him).

Someone uncomplicated, who lives life fully, who isn't afraid to go for what he wants and who wears his heart on his sleeve.

In less than 5 minutes, this interview shows us the ways they could fit together like missing puzzle pieces, and I am so, so excited to see it fall apart and come together.