#jacques roux

[labrador44]

catholics in 1793 be like

[josh-lanceero]

forgot to post those here

(Thinking about doing a little comic about a silly little love story between Jacques Roux and Widow Hebert let me see if I can find enough material or just invent enough bull shit

[comite-de-salut-public]

Hi you guys know those enragé guys? Well, they’re at it again. Bread prices went up a bit and they went straight for the pikes. You probably saw them out the window. Citizen Roux seems kinda mad :/. I think your names came up. Pretty publicly unsafe if you ask me.

First of all: this seems like a Committee of General Security problem.

Second of all: because you're sending this here and not to them, I'm assuming they pulled one of their "let Public Safety deal with it" cop-outs. But yes, this does seem publicly unsafe. Especially the pikes. We're genuinely sorry about the bread prices, plenty of folks want to see a maximum imposed but obviously bureaucracy makes that a very slow-going process. If you were sending this a year ago I'd tell you to go to Citizen Marat's, as he gives people free bread (and other stuff) quite frequently but unfortunately... that isn't quite an option anymore.

Sorry, this is kind of turning into a beat-around-the-bush way to say that we don't actually really super know what to do about Citizen Roux. A few people have said he might be a foreign agitator, but it's too soon to tell. If you've got proof, please do send it in, because then he would land in our department and maybe we could give you something more concrete.

[nesiacha]

Marguerite David

Announcement requesting help to all: I am desperately looking for information in the context of the French revolution of information on Marguerite David who would be a supporter of Jacques Roux and a militant from the Parisian section of Gravilliers in 1793. If anyone has them information please let me know.

[anotherhumaninthisworld]

I was trying to imagine how Jacques Roux would dress himself in his everyday life before (as a priest working/teaching in Saint-Thomas-de-Conac) and during the revolution (walking around in Paris with his dog) and got curious about how worse off priests dress themselves during the revolution. I’ve only seen drawings of married priests in their yellowish robe… Could you maybe recommend some sources on this?

I’m sorry anon, but I’ve had a really hard time finding anything. I’d figured books about just the clergy in general during the revolution would be something there would exist a multitude of given how essential it is for why things turned out the way they did, but the only digitalized ones I found were the following: 

Le christianisme et la Révolution française (1927) by Alphonse Aulard

Le christianisme et la Révolution française (1845) by Edgar Quinet

I’ve tried searching for words like ”chasuble” and ”vêtement” in them but couldn’t find anything. I’m sure there must exist more but for the moment I can’t really suggest anything else. Someone more knowledgeable about the subject is more than free to share what they know.

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[drinkthemlock]

watched marat/sade last saturday !!

jacques louis david you will always be famous

[kaalavg]

Princesse Dragon (2021)

Film // Película

[persolaise]

Louis Vuitton Lovers, Les Indemodables Oranger Sirocco, Arquiste A Grove By The Sea and other reviews - 2024

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Jacques Panciatici 🇫🇷Olivier Roux🇫🇷#4.Alfa Roméo 75 Turbo.3ème classement final. Rallye du Mont Blanc 🇫🇷1987

[labrador44]

jacques roux and claire lacombe (yuri below)

[josh-lanceero]

A wee Jacques Roux Character design

[sensitiveuser]

A little update about Robespierre

Since 1794, reactionary memory has made Robespierre a monster, a bloodthirsty dictator, who wanted to destroy the Old Order, Catholic traditions. Until the Restoration of the monarchy, very few sources are accessible to better understand the character, so demonized is he... It is from the Restoration that writings are rediscovered about him. Under the July Monarchy (1830-1848), the image of Robespierre becomes a model for a democratic and social Republic; an image taken up for the Revolution of 1848. Under the Second Empire, moderate republicans reject the image of Robespierre like that of all the Montagnards; for these republicans, heirs of the Girondins, the French Revolution is limited to 1789, and nothing else!

Since the beginning of the 20th century, in particular thanks to the work of the historian Albert Mathiez, Robespierre appears as an indisputable model of a democratic and social Republic. Jean Jaurès paints a glowing portrait of him in his Socialist History of the French Revolution. Then, in 1920, the communists of the French Communist Party made Robespierre a great revolutionary model, the most important figure of the French Revolution and the First Republic. Moreover, in 1936, the Popular Front, whether it was the communists or the socialists, did not hesitate to glorify the character. In this post, I want to deconstruct in my own way the heroic image of Robespierre.

My post consists to explain why Robespierre did not go far enough in the essential fights to overthrow the old order and traditions, and for an egalitarian, democratic, social and secular republic. I will also take a position for some of my "favorite" revolutionaries, among them Jacques Roux and the "Enragés", Babeuf, Jean-Baptiste Carrier, Antoine-François and Sophie Momoro... I will establish a comparison between the characters cited and Robespierre. If you dislike or are bothered by this post, feel free to leave a critical comment...

At the beginning of 1793, Robespierre was already showing himself to be far too moderate, even indifferent, to the demands of the popular Sans-Culottes movement. At the end of 1792, Jacques Roux (for whom I have a lot of admiration, I will explain why in a future post) had acquired great popularity among the Sans-Culottes, due to his brilliant interventions at the Granvilliers section, and especially thanks to his Speech on the judgment of Louis the Last, on the pursuit of speculators, hoarders and traitors. In this speech, Jacques Roux defends a truly egalitarian program, which is not the case for Robespierre! Jacques Roux notably called for the general taxation and requisition of commodities, the guillotine for hoarders and manufacturers of counterfeit assignats, a ban on exporting grain, etc...

In February 1793, when the radical sans-culotte petitioners, supported by Jacques Roux (and other "ultra-revolutionaries", of course), decided to disrupt the session of the Convention by demanding in particular the general taxation of commodities, Robespierre refused this economic program, considering it absurd and unrealistic.

Robespierre, attached to the right of property and economic liberalism, was against the abolition of private property. In April 1793, he even declared that "equality of property is a chimera". Unlike Babeuf or Jacques Roux, Robespierre opposed the agrarian law, which he considered a counter-revolutionary tool, going as far as the right of property; he was therefore against the fair sharing of property and land! The "ultra-revolutionaries" demanded the guillotine for the hoarders and speculators, which was not the case for Robespierre...

Following the riots of May 31 to June 2, 1793, Robespierre even defended 75 moderates accused of supporting the Girondins. He hoped to limit the scale of the Sans-Culottes movement, whose "radicalization" he feared (he allowed himself to use this word). Fortunately, in June 1793, Jacques Roux presented his brilliant Manifesto of the Enragés, in which he criticized the deputies for being too conciliatory with the hoarders, the speculators, and for maintaining economic liberalism. Robespierre refused to listen to the reproaches made by the most faithful representatives of the sans-culottes, and he expelled Jacques Roux from the Convention ! Robespierre thus launched a fight against the Enragés. The Enragés continued to demand a freeze on prices (the Convention was satisfied with the law of the Maximum), the raising of a revolutionary army to requisition wheat in the countryside, the arrest of all enemies of the people, the purge of the general staff, the dismissal of the nobles. In August 1793, Jacques Roux was arrested, followed by Varlet. This is what happened when one was too radical, much more revolutionary than Robespierre :)

From September 1793, Hébert and especially the brilliant Antoine-François Momoro, now asserted themselves as spokesmen for the sans-culottes. Robespierre was therefore far from controlling everything.

The supporters of reactionary memory who demonize Robespierre (and even some admirers of Robespierre who, in truth, know him very little) equate the character with dechristianization (or worse, with atheism - which makes me laugh so much!). This is not the case at all, quite the contrary, Robespierre is categorically against it !

When he was a member of the Constituent Assembly (from 1789 to 1791), Robespierre spoke in favor of religious freedoms. In 1791, he stated that Catholicism and its practices did not disturb public order, so he was in favor of letting clergy preach, and against touching churches. He found it absurd to eradicate all belief. For Robespierre, the Civil Constitution of the Clergy was enough, no need to go further.

It was the members of the insurrectional Commune of Paris (with Chaumette as public prosecutor and Hébert as substitute), who, from August 1792, decided on the first measures of dechristianization. Chaumette was the main instigator (without forgetting Momoro, whom I adore, let's not lie to ourselves). Robespierre rejected this anticlerical program...

We can say that Joseph Fouché got involved in the work, he took the initiative to destroy churches, break crosses, and burn texts that were sacred only to these Catholic enemies. When he went to Burgundy, Fouché was quite benevolent towards the clergy, since he forced the boarding priests to marry. Collot d'Herbois continued the work in Lyon, by pillaging churches and Catholic icons.

In Nantes, from November 1793 to January 1794, Carrier showed a courage showed a certain "courage"... While he did "the bulk of the work" (attention, provocation!) for the Vendéens, he gets rid of 58 harmful and counter-revolutionary priests, in the "pretty national bathtub" (it's him who says that)... Robespierre condemned this act, which is understandable, since Carrier also drowned innocents. Moreover, even Babeuf disapproved of the drownings in the Loire.

Robespierre lacked courage in the face of counter-revolutionary Catholics. He simply stuck to the Republican calendar and renamed the communes. Another commendable action of dechristianization is of course the celebration of the Cult of Reason, at the initiative of Chaumette and Momoro at the Temple of Reason, where Sophie Founier (wife of Momoro) plays the role of the Goddess-Reason. As a reminder, in Brumaire Year II, Archbishop Gobel agreed to renounce his functions and abjure his religion, wearing the red cap. Shortly after the Festival of Reason, Robespierre gave a speech at the Jacobin Club, attacking atheism by considering it "aristocratic" (which is highly questionable). Then, from March 28, 1794, it was the end of the story for the 19 greatest revolutionaries (from my point of view) called "Hébertists" (the name is in my opinion inappropriate, knowing the different characters well) who had fought to the end against the influence of religion contrary to reason, atheism being proof of rationalism (later, perhaps I will offer you a philosophical post on this subject...).

Robespierre deemed it necessary to introduce a new god, thus preferring virtue and morality, rather than reason which was dear to the ultra-revolutionaries defenders of atheism. On 18 Floréal Year II, Robespierre established the Cult of the Supreme Being. The attributes symbolizing atheism, used during the Cult of Reason, were forbidden. Robespierre burned a statue representing atheism. In his Decree Establishing the Cult of the Supreme Being, he behaves like a priest, preaching the belief in the immortality of the human soul. In some conservative regions, Catholics who are still alive do not hesitate to celebrate mass! I dare say that Robespierre did nothing to prevent this (without casting too many stones at him) !

[nesiacha]

Good news and bad news about my research on Jacques Roux supporters, more precisely on Marguerite Julie David

Continuing to do research in order to find out who was Marguerite David then supporter of Jacques Roux I found this very interesting article which talks about the supporters of Jacques Roux ( and Marguerite David). It is called "Les Jacquesroutins" written by Walter Markov Bad news my computer very capricious now on certain sites refuses me access :( So still at a standstill for my research. In addition, I cannot give you any information. I nevertheless put you the link for those who are interested do not hesitate to say the most important elements if you want :)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41926264

[nesiacha]

Honestly, the excuse regarding women's rights is from the 18th century, and I don't really believe in it. I mean, Charles Gilbert Romme was also a man of his time, as was Condorcet, Guyomar, Charlier, Gracchus Babeuf, Camille Desmoulins, and the faction of the Enragés... So no, it's just that other revolutionaries chose to be more narrow-minded when making laws about women's rights. There you go, it's not to upset anyone, but that was just my personal opinion.

Here is an excerpt from Markov Walter on Jacques Roux:

All the parties of the Revolution tried to engage women, while, with the sole exception of the Enragés, wanting to exclude them from any real political activity. Jacques Roux considered them to be the decisive reserve of the Revolution. "Victory was indubitable as soon as women placed themselves among the sans-culottes."

This is just my personal opinion.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41926264

Rare women have in ancient republics risen to the height of public virtues; they knew how to combine the modesty of their sex with the civic courage which is a duty for ours. Republican France, during the first storms of the revolution, saw these glorious examples multiply in its midst, a single one of which would have made another people proud. It crowned the heroines of October 5; it saw French women in popular societies, eager to hear, from the mouths of their brothers and their husbands, the interesting lessons of patriotism that they had to engrave in the souls of their children. The homeland, in the crises of liberty, smiled on the generous efforts of a few intrepid citoyennes. The cowardly architects of our discord have despised this type of merit; they wanted there to exist among us a permanent society of women clothed exclusively with the modest title of revolutionaries, nobly separated from the male sex, like long ago, in the mysteries of the good goddess. They reduced to silence the estimable citoyennes whom the love of the public good had led there, they entrusted the scepter to the hands of some female Demosthenes, inspired by these English and Austrian sylphs. Their primary occupation is to cry out for famine, to push the people into despair, to denounce the imperturbable friends of liberty. They are the ones who came in the wake of Jacques Roux and Leclerc, to insult the Mountain and the Jacobins, to insult and threaten the representatives of the people. They are responsible for teaching the universe that modesty is a prejudice, that the distinction between the talents and occupations of the two sexes is nothing other than an invention of the aristocracy; that men must abandon the tribune and the seats of the senate to women; and all men's clubs must appear before the tribunal of revolutionary presidents. Porcia was only an imbecile, with her virtue revered in Rome; she should have played the role of Cato. Cornelia only played a vulgar role, instructing her sons, still children, to defend the rights of the people; Cornelia should have mounted the rostrum for harangues: instead of offering their jewels to the homeland; they will not cry out when they learn of their glorious death: I had given birth to him to serve the homeland; this merit is too vulgar; they are sterile like vice; but on the other hand, they will declaim against the founders of the republic, and slander the representatives of the people. Such is the sublime instrument that the agents of the enemies of the homeland keep in reserve to incite trouble if necessary, at the first moment of embarrassment or disaster with which the republic would be threatened.

Rapport écrit de la main de Robespierre, sur la faction de l’étranger, cited in Pièces trouvées dans les papiers de Robespierre et complices (24 September 1794).