#ivantill makes me sick

[iri-desky]

About Cure's Full Audio...

Something about the fact that a part of Cure can't be heard unless you listen to the official audio outside of the mv (aka, the plot itself), which involves Till and Ivan finally harmonizing similar to My Clematis, with harmonizing previously implied to be a symbol of true love and togetherness. Something about how this part is occurs, theoretically, right after Ivan pulls his crazy stunt and cuts the match and song short that led to his death.

Something about how they only needed a little more time, and maybe everything would've worked out, but circumstance didn't let them have that. Or perhaps, if you want to dig deeper, it was their own fault (Till's persistent despair, Ivan's final, desperate expression of devotion) they didn't even have a minute more.

[raivenantcravings]

Round 6 Reaction/Analysis

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I woke up to twitter analysis saying that Till never even looked at Ivan until his final moments. And I made pre round 6 fanart titled "look at me." Couldn't manifest it. He never looked at him in the end,,,

broo dont look so happy. oh my god you lovesick fool.

reaction and analysis under the cut

First detail I noticed was that are the mics clear because both Ivan and Till are being vulnerable? They have nothing to hide anymore, so they'll show the world their whole being.

Anyways, to my main point,,

My interpretation of the ending was that Ivan was really trying to "cure" Till.

Till opens up with wanting to feel pain, to feel hurt.

"Please, leave me scars"

"Please, hurt me so that not a single drop of me remains"

Which, I realize he's talking to Mizi, but it's a cry for "help" either way.

Ivan's part goes:

"Notice my pain and mend me right now"

Again, he's talking about himself, but I think it could apply to what he does to Till.

So they kiss.

And, I've seen a lot of other people already say this, but I also do feel the kiss was not only meant to be for Ivan to selfishly show his love for Till.

Like bro don't go nonconsensually kissing your crush, what are you doing!?

When the scores came out, Ivan was much lower than Till than I expected. I thought it'd be a Mizi-Sua situation where the scores were close, but Mizi barely edged it out.

But Till almost had 20 points over Ivan.

And I know it's because Till is a rising star. And his new image change would really garner the attention of everyone. But it's not like Ivan is a nobody either. I didn't expect the scores to be so different.

I do think its because Ivan kissed Till. As a final nail in the coffin that guarantees his loss.

Alien Stage is commentary on the idol industry. One of the most prevalent issues in the idol industry is the romantic lives of the idols. Idols are not supposed to be in relationships, at least not outwardly. Their whole image is for the fans. Nothing they do should ruin that public image as an idol.

Much less in a in a queer relationship.

Now I don't believe the universe of Alien Stage cares about LGBTQ+ issues because there's bigger issues surrounding their human pets. But I think that it is an issue that Vivinos is trying to address because they certainly never shy away from queer issues in their other works.

And I feel the idea that idols/pets should not be swayed by their romantic emotions is still prevalent in their society.

So for the audience to see Ivan kiss Till, in one of the most outrageous and public displays possible, further pushes the votes in Till's favor.

And yeah, I also do believe that he kissed Till for him to finally look at him, but I also feel that it was a self-sacrifice too.

And then Ivan violently chokes Till.

Possibly, as another way to give Till votes. Since when Mizi started punching Luka, the audience was outraged at her actions.

Violence is definitely frowned upon on the stage.

More on the choking scene,,

I also saw some people saying that it's because Ivan wanted Till to die with him, which may be part of it. I don't think everything Ivan did was completely selfless.

But

Till accepts it. Earlier when he is at the bar (party? venue? the private show either way), he fights the alien who tries to punch him.

He did show him Mizi's missing image, so he is enraged in this moment, but he does have fight left in him even then.

He doesn't resist when Ivan chokes him just closes his eyes and awaits death. Perhaps if Mizi was already dead, he can just join her in the afterlife since he had no way of knowing she was still alive.

In this way, Ivan is his savior. The one who is finally freeing him from all this pain he felt after losing Mizi. This is his "cure."

And for Ivan, he sorta wants to be a savior to Till. He has freed him on multiple accounts from his shackles. Even helping him run away with him, so they can experience freedom together.

They both get what they want, but,,

Ivan lets go of Till and Till, with an expression that feels like shock, finally looks at Ivan.

Killing him would not give him the freedom that Till needs

that Ivan wants Till to have.

So, like the countless times Till has been chained around his neck, Ivan gives him his chains:

hurting him like he desires.

A scar around his neck.

(Where the scar from his name is)

And mending him,

by taking away the final chain that Ivan could release from Till.

His "cure."

It felt like his final desire was to get Till to snap out of it, to realize that he needs to find true freedom, to not get apathetic at the situation, to keep on going and to live.

He really, truly loves Till even if Till does and never will understand it.

Also final thoughts, is it not strange that Ivan is able to release Till's bindings so easily?

No one else is shown releasing the bindings, so maybe it is just as easy as a press of the button. Yet, I don't feel like it's just poorly designed if that's the case. Because you literally have a person like Ivan releasing a dangerous human like Till. Shouldn't a cautious society like the world of Alien Stage made sure it wouldn't be super easy to get out of.

If there is more to it, I wonder if that'll be a plot point later on. With Ivan leaving behind the secret to getting out of the bindings for Till. So, when a character maybe Till or even Hyuna or Mizi have been captured, they're able to escape since they know how to remove them.

Maybe, I'm just being delulu

And final final thoughts, the kiss was great and definitely made me almost scream. But the way Ivan nuzzled Till has got me acting up.

Like, it's just so soft and sweet and not a big show of it like when Ivan kisses Till on stage.

It feels so intimate, so personal, so full of love.

I just, I just can't. They'll be the death of me.

[tillsbiggestfan]

i’m listening to this beautiful edit of mizisua + ivantill cure together and it made me realize how gently sua and mizi are singing in comparison to ivantill. they never had to shout to make their love known, because it was always requited. ivan and till have to shout at eachother in the final chorus because their feelings for eachother will always be unrequited.

[lousauce]

hope you guys are having a good day... ☺️

im back from the dead (not)

[ratislatis]

HEY. IM SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS. HEY.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE WAY HE MIMICS IVAN DOWN TO TOUCHING TILL'S LIP IN ECHO OF THE KISS. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT "DARK CRIMSON AIR" LINE IN REFERENCE TO THE NIGH-ESCAPE. CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE FLASHBACK IN HUES OF RED AS EITHER TILL'S EYES BATHED IN BLOOD OR A DIRECT CALLBACK TO THAT NIGHT. HEY. HEY IM NOT OKAY. LET ME OUT OF MY CAGE

[donnovien]

“Skip lunch for personal time”

[ivanttakethis]

Till has to have known Ivan had a crush on him right. He's not that oblivious. He didn't think Ivan was trying just to bro it out with him like bros do right. He didn't think they were just pals palling around. He didn't think that his very much straight friend Ivan was just asking for a kissy right.

I feel like this Alien Stage Friday post is going to come back to haunt us later

THIS ALIEN STAGE FRIDAY IS GONNA HAUNT ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!!1!!

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Honestly, I don’t know WHAT is rattling around in Till’s skull.

He may not know that Ivan likes him in the same way that he likes Mizi, but I hope he doesn’t think this is average bro behavior 💀

Kissing your guy friends isn’t just “guys being dudes” Till! That’s guys being gay!! (Or bisexual, at the very least)

And also, what the FUCK Ivan?!?

You think the guy who considered KISSING YOU as a BIRTHDAY PRESENT doesn’t care about you AT ALL????? 🤨

Till wasn’t in Anakt Garden chatting it up with fucking Acorn like “Yeah bro when’s your birthday? I’ll kiss you on the mouth as a gift, no tongue tho.” IT’S JUST YOU.

If any other guy even thought about asking Till to kiss them, he would probably punch their lights out. Actually, I’m surprised he didn’t punch YOUR lights out!!

But the fact that he didn’t means SOMETHING!!!

You think Till wouldn’t be TRAUMATIZED over you SACRIFICING YOURSELF FOR HIM after KISSING HIM LIKE YOU ASKED FOR YEARS AGO?????????? LIKE HE’S NOT GONNA REMEMBER THAT SHIT?????????

[bittersweetsthff]

ivan being so sure that his death would have no effect on till is so SAD but yk what's sadder? till not realising how much he was dependent on ivan until he was no longer there... the way he watched ivan fall to the floor, knowing that ivan intended to die. AND HE DIED WITH A SMILE !! ugh my heart

till looking back on their life together, maybe reminiscing what it would have been to like if he had just taken ivans hand...

@bittersweetsthff

I cant stop thinking abt Ivan and Till and Ivan finally got Till to look at him in the end. How Luka went from laughing abt till's suffering to freezing the moment he sees hyuna. How in all in when hyuna thinks abt luka and she looks so panicked. Blink gone being abt losing everything in a second and how till lost everything (mizi and ivan) and how hyuna and mizi lost their so hard-earned freedom in a second AAAHHHHHH IM UNWELL

[ro5ani]

If you minimize your deep and pure emotions it's easier to deal with the fact that they went unnoticed

[skitzlee]

on one hand this is everything i have ever wanted (confirmation that ivan acted out on a selfish impulse and is using till as a vessel for his grief whilst simultaneously believing till will just Not Care about him). but on the other hand this is such an emotionally devastating thread to post. alnst official what if i committed rn

[ri4naaa]

hey so um. finished round 7. what the fuck.

[aslyran]

To be engulfed in silence

In your gaze where I’m seen

[neolxzr]

its ok i will be the alienstage asker. i lean more into mizi and sua in terms of attachment but i think abt this ivtl by a crew member sometimes and it makes me so freaking miserable

youre my hero

THESE MAKE ME SO INSANEEEEE i literally saved this to my camera roll a couple days ago to just stare at LIKE WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THAT oufh till’s face in full shadow n ivan’s in light makes me feel things

AND THE LAST ONE??? its over for me it just makes me think abt like. what couldve been you know.

its all like hopeful in a way but also like somber and bittersweet. two birds on a wire type of images

[r0salynx]

their love language is choking but I'm lowkey getting deja vu (joongdok)

ivantill go one official art without choking each other challenge (impossible)

[ro5ani]

this is the last ivantill edit i swear but this song is literally my roman empire

[charcoalcake]

my god, my universe.

was noting all the similarities between kawoshin and ivantill (iykyk) and had a Vision.. they both make me SICK. im ILL. i LOVE them. + bonus doodle of ivan getting smushed with a pillow bc till is well. till. AJAHHA