#it covers a lot of discourse

[apollos-boyfriend]

i think the thing i’m learning is that the admins can work their asses off and it’s still not enough for some people 😭 they complain that it’s unfair hard to catch up when only like, 3 ccs witness something but then when there ARE a lot of people present they complain that it’s too much and that a smaller group would’ve been better. at some point we have to realize that they’re dealing with like 30+ players and it is not only a learning process, but nearly impossible to perfectly pull off even when you Do get used to it. idk i’m just tired of JUST seeing people complain with no regard to how much time and effort the admins had to put in to plan, build, and execute everything

[that-one-loth-cat]

Genuinely one of my favorite things about Sabine Wren and Ezra Bridger’s relationship in canon is that it’s ambiguous. As far as I know, the only thing thats been confirmed is that they mean a lot to each other. Anything else is technically an individual interpretation or an AU.

And I love that! It means that everyone can have their own idea of what’s going on. (Those ideas are all so interesting btw 👀) I just wish we as a fandom could be kinder about it.

See them as siblings? Go ahead. They’re both their own brand of chaos and it’s marvelous. Ezra has extreme younger sibling energy (in my opinion), and I love that he and his sister grow closer as they get older instead of drifting apart.

Think they shine best when they’re just friends? That’s so valid tbh. Strong friendship bonds that don’t include romance (but have the same level of commitment and/or intensity) aren’t super common on screen, which is a shame because there’s so many interesting angles to explore. These two are ride or die for each other by the end of the show. We know that. I’ve seen people saying that this was only possible because Ezra was able to grow out of his crush and I love that way of looking at it.

Hardcore Sabezra shipper? I don’t blame you. It’s a fun ship! Watching rebels with that pair of shipping goggles on is incredibly entertaining. (And gut wrenching. Oh my goodness. The idea that she realized she loved him right before the final attack on Lothal has me on the floor every time I see it)

Right now, the “what’s their deal?” puzzle has no official right answer (other than good friends, which I think most people agree on anyway). I feel like we as a fandom are so mean to each other online over something trivial and that makes me really sad.

TLDR; I feel like Sabine and Ezra’s relationship has a lot of valid fanon interpretations because of how ambiguous their canon relationship is, and I wish we could be nicer to each other about it.

[moonchild-in-blue]

I wanna ride a centaur.

[butchviking]

I think people should be offered mental health alternatives before considering tattoos. Piercings as well. Only someone who's sick in the head would consider altering their body in such a dangerous way. Even adults should be forced to go through a two year psych evaluation before they're even presented with the option to get any kind of facial piercing.

I mean the possibility of nerve damage alone. Anyone who would be willing to undergo the risk of full facial paralysis MUST be some kind of mentally ill pervert freak.

youre being satirical but what you dont know is "is getting a tattoo a form of self harm" was a discourse on radblr a few months ago, where some people agreed that therapy should be offered before people get tattoos or at least if theyre getting a lot of them

[chamoemileclown]

saw someone else post about this and i really agree i think it just wasnt the right time for purgatory, the stakes were there but the vibe and the point in roleplay development for individual characters just.. wasnt it for me. I dont know what they have planned for the future so i cant say it shouldve happened later, but i think because of all the trips and vidcon the charas had just gotten to a point where they had started healing from their kids going missing only to be thrown into this, which can be a good point narratively but theres also a couple other things that kinda just didnt let it work out for me tbh

a lot of it was just the rules and events were weird? that probably makes no sense. but like from a viewer pov it felt like the characters were beta testers for this and the rules have been constantly changing, so its hard to get comfortable in. Like when theres a set of consistent rules teams are able to more accurately strategize and such and they couldnt really do that? so it just felt like weird improv the whole time which theyre very good at but it was just.. like idk unbalanced? thats a dif point that contributed

like etoiles pointed this out that they balanced the teams (not really imo) in game but not fandom-wise, like certain teams had a very large fanbase and certain others had a very small one, etc etc. And like for example blue team had much less people on consistently but by the time they realized that it was probably too late to change teams without an event like the one recently splitting green. I feel like the admins tried to mix up the players outside of their usual friend groups but it just kinda cut the ints in half? i know cellbit didnt wanna kill roier, bad was very isolated from all his regular friends and therefore nobody wanted to talk to him (he wasnt on their team), tubbo was kinda suffering because he couldnt use create. Red team was overwhelmingly loud, blue was crushingly quiet, green was... tbh not on a lot of the time. Not good to watch from most POVs

i could be wrong about a couple things but like this is my general feeling on it, odd timing and weird balancing combined with toxic fandoms caused by competitiveness within the streams kinda ruined it for me, you can only curate ur experience so much

I really like how you put the first part because it was also something that I had felt about the event but I couldn’t really pinpoint why? I’m sure that a lot of the planning came down to a lot of stuff we can’t see behind the scenes like trying to be mindful of the ccs/ admins schedules but scheduling purgatory so far out from the disappearance really changed a lot. Like I just got used to not having the eggs and being fine with that and a lot of the ccs did sort of move on/ adapt to it. Obviously most people want the eggs back safe but I think some novelty has worn off after being away from them for so long. I think purgatory would’ve had more of an effect if the wound was more fresh when purgatory took place it would’ve made the stakes higher and I don’t think as many people would be saying “oh I don’t care if the eggs die at this point just end purgatory.”

Also the rules changing I noticed too was really jarring from day to day. I feel like a lot of the qsmp is like this and it’s a product of the admins being quick to respond to complaints in general and changing things accordingly. In my ideal world where the admin team could’ve just run the event with a test group to almost like stress test the rules? but i doubt that’s a very viable option. It would’ve been nice to see teams strategize more than play off the cuff in the limited time frame they have I feel like that only really rewards people with spontaneous playstyles

I think a lot of the problems with balancing fanbases revolves around people not knowing how to act online. The qsmp has long stretches where there isn’t much character conflict so that’s attracted a lot of people who feel really attracted to one pov and just don’t know how to handle conflict. We’ve seen this stuff outside of purgatory like during the entirety of the elections arc and when characters have an insignificant argument in rp. I don’t think you could balance viewers while also balancing skill but its definitely a problem that exists and doesn’t really have a clean solution. Also I do think the division of teams was to encourage different people to interact or possibly drive more in rp angst but it did fall flat in ways that were unintended.

Overall I think a lot of purgatory was trying to cater to a lot of people at once but thats just not working. I enjoyed the event from the standpoint that no matter what the admins want a good audience experience and they wouldn’t intentionally let us down. This seems more like a fundamental flaw in the server maybe? That it’s just not structured to be doing competitive game in this format at the very least.

[rosesradio]

vagueposting again but the concepts of sexual harassment, assault, grooming, and other related subjects are never really truly about caring about the victim to people on the internet, it’s always more about Getting Dirt on the perpetrator for this week’s Internet beef that you forget in a week. it’s performative moral bullshit and in a way it’s almost like the perpetrator wins

[mutualmango]

reading some of the book v audiobook discourse, and i’ll say this: come for the audiobook listeners if you want (i do both, idc) but i’ll die on the hill that listening to another person read is closer to actively engaging with literature than whatever those “””speed readers””” are up to

[feather--fae]

honestly it's kind of weird how some of yall will treat anything vaugly kink related like it's the same as full on public sex. like yall will see someone in a collar or, god forbid, a leash and act like someone just got fully naked in and showed you their junk instead of like,,,, wearing an accessory??? even like, puppy play or bdsm gear or whatever, it's just a costume they're wearing. like people will see kink gear at pride and be like wow that's so inappropriate they essentially whipped their junk out and started having hardcore sex in front of me :// like no, you saw someone wearing an outfit. it's like the equivalent of someone wearing lingerie out in public but lingerie that didn't actually show anything. like yeah, maybe it makes you a little uncomfortable bc it's not what you're used to seeing or whatever, and like that's fine you can feel whatever you do, but your discomfort doesn't mean you can dictate to other people what they can and can't do. seeing straight ppl make out on the bus makes me uncomfortable, but i don't think het pda should be illegal or whatever

[gibbearish]

are we really back to "oh you support (blank)? name ten people who (do/are) that right now or else youre lying for allyship points and everything you have to say should be disregarded". i thought we left that back in like. 2012 misogynist nerdbro culture

[sevenhundred721]

YOU HATE DINOPANTS TOO???

YES SO MUCH! It just always is so reductive for the both of them. It feels like people get so into the idea that because they had an alliance they have to be coupled and because they have to be coupled that becomes the primary way they choose to understand Hot Pants as a character. I'm not super tuned into how the fandom treats Diego, but I do know that he gets boxed into a lot of tropes that largely come from DinoPants fans. Putting my thoughts on it under the cut :)

I feel like Diego retains some of his canon character in fan content because people care about the way he interacts with the rest of the male main cast from an at least somewhat analytical standpoint. Hot Pants really doesn't get that luxury because a lot of Jojo fans really aren't in it for the women unless they can ship them with somebody or offhandedly say they're kinda cool. People's perceptions of her are so distorted because they're only able to view her as Diego's goth girlfriend. They ignore her motivations and her story when it doesn't involve him. And the most important connections we see her experience are also ignored all for the most bland nothing heterosexual ship that they think is brilliant because the gender roles are flipped. They don't realize that if they fail to see the woman in a het relationship as a person outside of just her sexual role, archetype, and aesthetic they are being misogynistic. It's not unlike how manic pixie dream girls were treated in the early 2000s.

Hot Pants is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. Her relationship to guilt, loss, and sacrifice are incredibly compelling. Using a character who is a nun to tackle what sisterhood can mean is funny. Her relationship with faith and the loss of a sibling can be compared and contrasted with Pucci's backstory and relationship with Catholicism. Faith is an important theme in Jojo, especially in parts 6 and 7. Jesus is in SBR and Hot Pants is a fucking nun sent from the Vatican secret service on Jesus scavenger hunt duty. She has a stand that explicitly requires an equivalent exchange, echoing her themes of sacrifice. She dies beautifully and tragically because she had to for her arc to be truly complete. I find it absolutely infuriating that at "best" I see people joke about this stuff and at worst they just completely ignore it and replace her with a plush doll who only talks when the string on her back is pulled by a male character.

Sorry if this is like... extreme, but I've been a massive fan of Hot Pants since I was around 16. And it feels like no effort is made on peoples' parts to understand her. Especially when most fan content of her comes with Diego. It really does feel like people see her as his accessory.

[wolvierinez]

fandom discourse on here is great bc its usually either someone being like "i dont like this media" and fans of it going apeshit because someone doesnt like it or its the most horrific person youve ever seen with only like 3 people actually talking about it properly and other people vague posting but not actually doing anything about it.

[princehendir]

"discourse? Well back in my day we just called that wank" Those Two Terms Have Different Implications And You Know It

[mayybirds]

This is like the most I will ever say on this subject, but (and not to be petty, or to take some high ground, but just objectively…) literally every time I see some Real Resident Evil discourse (and not measured analysis or critique of the games btw but like. Moral Grandstanding and Namecalling Discourse) I backpedal so far the fuck away regardless of my opinion on it because I just…don’t need that shit in my little fandom bubble.

And because like… to put it bluntly… we like Resident Evil. Games that are already inherently problematic and bullshitty. Literally WHAT moral high ground can anyone claim when it’s just looking for the best broken milk crate in the sewers from on top of which to yell from.

[miabrown007]

the Night Circus is fiction because there's no way an Adrien-level sheltered guy goes out to the streets in the 19th century and kisses a girl in an hour

[chibichibisha]

The DA II run I'm doing right now is to properly place what exactly my non-playable Amell does during the years at Kirkwall and let me tell you, his rivalry/friendship with Cullen here is so juicy. They go from friendly silly flirting to an absolute shit show the moment the Broken Circle ends, and now at Kirkwall they are clearly frenemies, in completely different opposites, and it's like, they know what the other knows. They know their past, they cannot hide it to protect themselves. Not with the other. And that's the thing.

And god, Amell would be so petty at Cullen at the Gallows courtyard. Like picture you are there as usual and suddenly Cullen says "You cannot trick Meredith. She will always see the demon behind that sweet face" and Amell can't help but think Cullen is projecting SO MUCH.

He is there fumbling and thinking: Please. This isn't about Meredith's righteous duty. This isn't about poor martyr templars and their lost battle either. All the excuses you believe are because you think this is about you and how you like to think you were the only victim. The audacity of this.

Because guess who was also traumatized at the Broken Circle?? And I love it.

[libraryleopard]

Young adult coming-of-age/romance novel

When high school senior Imogen Scott, a self-declared straight ally, spends spring break with her college first-year best friend and her new group of queer friends, she begins to question if she's as as straight as she's proclaimed

Explores queer imposter syndrome and gatekeeping within queer communities

Questioning/bisexual main character; Jewish lesbian love interest; F/F romance