#it can all be some platonically homoerotic bro thing

[crimsonconstl]

“Hold tight”

[polyamorousmood]

I'm somewhere between poly and mono, don't have a preference etc. I'm a cis woman, demi pan/bi. Anyway I got into a relationship with this dude and he is the first partner to ever treat me with basic human decency (latest ex was a trans woman who was abusive in about every possible way, tho mostly physical and emotional. Anyway he got me out of the darkness afterwards with the help of my male best friend)

Anyway he didn't know my bestie and was kinda iffy about him and I moving in together (with his male best friend as well, so we are three people) and then he met my best friend. I am now third wheeling in my own relationship because they vibe so well, neither of them is gay but they certainly have a platonic/qpr vibe about them. It's very nice, my boyfriend is introverted and both me and my best friend are very extroverted. I get my calm from my boyfriend and a lot of my socialising from my bestie. It works out fantastically.

Whatever is going on is nice, it feels like a family, my bestie and I are platonic and that's all it will ever be but damn if he isn't trying to steal my boyfriend to become his third best friend. With a lot of homoerotic flirting, which he does to most of his female friends boyfriends for some reason

Life is better now, it's good, I'm happy. Even though my boyfriend and best friend are third wheeling me, but that's a good thing I think, they can be bros, nothing would make me happier

Dunno if this falls under the poly umbrella, but if it does then I can tell you that stuff like this is great!

Have a wonderful day/afternoon/night!

I don't get into whether things ✌️technically fall under the poly umbrella ✌️ (<- these are air quotes). If y'all think its poly enough, sure. If y'all don't, whatever. Either way, you'll have a good amount of overlap of your experiences with mine! So 🤝 hi friend!

Its really amazing how much you can uncover when you set aside jealousy and just love each other however feels right, and I'm so glad you've found that! 💙💖🖤

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So Fitz and the Fool obviously had this insanely homoerotic relationship and were intensely devoted to each other. We as readers were all there for “I love you and all that is part of you” and “the man I had been would not survive this loss” and “Beloved, I have missed your company.” What do people in their lives think though? We get some hints, but I have my own ideas too.

Burrich-Way too hung up on Fitz having the Wit to be worried about his sexual orientation. Also, with the way he talks about Chivalry, he probably also has a very distorted view of platonic friendships between bros.

Nighteyes-He can literally read Fitz’s thoughts; he can hear the whole internal monologue about the Fools golden beauty at all times. He would also def rather Fitz take the Scentless One to mate than his existing choices (the Howling Bitch? Really?)

Chade-Def thinks that they’re on the DL and does not care. For all Chades faults he doesn’t gaf what Fitz does as long as it doesn’t impact the Farseers.

Kettricken-You cannot convince me that she isn’t like “they’re finally together; good for them” when they return to court as Lord Golden and Tom Badgerlock.

Patience-How much she knows is a huge mystery actually. I do headcanon Patience as bi and Lacey as her partner (imo it’s quite obvious and hilarious that Fitz doesn’t notice) so she would be open minded, but Fitz hides a lot from her.

Shrewd-We don’t get enough of him from Fitz’s POV to know but personally I would think it’s hilarious if he clocked that his jester was in love with his bastard grandson and was like well not sure what to do with that information.

Verity-The man is barely clinging to life for Fitzs entire adolescence; I think he only had the vaguest idea of what was going around him for like 5 years.

Molly-Fitz keeping the memory stone statue and the unsent letters he writes the Fool locked in his secret study implies that he never tells her about the Fool or their time as Prophet and Catalyst, which makes sense because he always used her to hide from that kind of thing.

Starling-She totally knew it and was outraged that Fitz would claim to have no idea. Def saw them snuggling at least once in the Mountains. Had no idea who Lord Golden really was but still thought he and Fitz were hooking up. Would hear about Lady Amber and Prince FitzChivalry and feel very validated.

Hap-He goes into full research mode after he sees Lord Chance (who looked strangely like Lord Golden?) go into the wolf with Fitz in preparation for the ballad he was going to write about it. Since this research involved talking to Starling, he now believes that Lord Chance was a woman in disguise who had a decades long torrid affair with his foster dad.

Dutiful-He discreetly approached Fitz about it and Fitz gave the weirdest most suspicious denial ever; he def thinks that they’re sleeping together. Plus he’s friends with infamous closet case Civil Bresinga.

Nettle-Also asks Fitz about it and is told “I loved that man as I have loved no one else,” then she meets him and sees that he strongly resembles her little sister who mysteriously appeared long after her mothers fertile years, and finally watched them go into a memory stone statue together. She def has her theories.

Bee-She knows what’s up. Fitz literally talks about raising her with the Fool while they all cuddle. Plus she read some of his unsent letters and his memoirs, and if they are in fact basically the first 6 books, they are gay af.

[powder-blu-hue]

Thoughts on relationships in PP

Baby's first post on tumblr. But also there's no one here so I can safely yell in the the void. Basically my 'do I ship it or not' list because I'm just a filthy shipper. Anyway.

(btw when I say 'relationship' I mean it in a general sense)

Kougami Gino Yeah this one is popular in jp, they are like 80% of all the doujins I've seen T_T but I get it. Childhood friends to colleagues to 'enemies' (with the lovely angsty flavour of 'his descent into latent criminalhood was a betrayal to me') to 'he's dead to me (but I still care)' to 'we know each other so well we just call each other out on bullshit freely now (but also are back working as colleagues who respect each other for the most part)' (damn now I see why it's shipped) but for me…..I prefer them without the shipping lens Verdict: friends/gen

Gino Mika Ah yes my 50/50. Do I love their little interactions? Plenty. In fact they give us so much little little Gino Mika scenes it's hard to not want to see more of them. Gino is the guy who deals with Mika like it's a given. Mika seems to prefer getting in on what SAD is up to via Gino (probably coz she knows him best, as they worked together) - given she can't stand Frede lmao and seems to not want to touch Kougami with a 10 foot pole. Also between Gino and Sugo Gino is the obvious choice. But I also like them as a big bro/senpai looking out for lil sis/kouhai sort of thing. So. Bothbothisgood.jpg Verdict: 50/50 ship and gen/platonic. Will take either way

Kougami Shion It's very very hc territory but I would be very very interested in FWBs KouShion, just sayin Verdict: fwb only (but I will eat that shit up)

Kougami Sasayama This is only here because I saw some doujin of them lmao But Sasayama had to have some serious impact on Kou's life to make him this mad about him being killed my Makishima. I like to think the suave punk Sasayama took baby Inspector Kougami under his wing and they bonded over manly things like booze and criminal catching. But yeah don't really see it as a romantic thing. Verdict: gen

Kougami Makishima Dgmw after that slightly homoerotic fight in S1 and the fact the series opens with them facing off each other in a way I know will have my fujo homies sitting up, despite that I still just see them as a good (anti-)hero vs villian with nothing deeper to it.

Verdict: don't ship

Kougami Frederica Honeslty I like to think they're colleagues who respect each other and in a way mirror each other (Gino even says she's a female kougami) but part of me won't mind if they hooked up in SS3, coz she's a hot woman in his house and he's just a man with needs

Verdict: don't ship ship but if it's on the table in a very specific flavour I will partake

Gino Akane What can I say, I'm a Gino fan especially with how much he's developed over the seasons, and those scenes of him staunchly showing his loyalty to Akane (esp the end scene in ppm and that Mika conversation scene in S3 that I've rewatched 10 million times) have me by the balls, but at the end of the day subordinate loyalty is a trope that gets me like no other (especially given they were equals to start and now she's his superior, you can't write this any better) but also one I enjoy in gen sometimes and this is one of those times.

Verdict: platonic loyalty only

Kei/arata (+ Maiko) Okay. These guys are like, 100% shippable, right? I mean the whole 'don't go where I can't hold your rope' thing, the fact that Arata 'holds' Kei's 'social' rope in the same way Kei hold's Arata's 'mental' rope, the way they go all the way back as childhood friends, bonding over shared trauma of loss of loved ones. S3/FI did a great job at creating tension within their relationship with their falling out over Maiko's involvement with Heaven's Leap and Kei hiding his Bifrost Inspector shenanigans from Arata and Maiko. Which brings me to Maiko. She is as much a part of the trio as they are a duo at work. Maiko's friendship with Arata just feels pure, and Arata doesn't feel like a third wheel hanging out with them. We know from that real badass scene in Heaven's Leap she isn't a damsel in distress. So while Kei and Arata are just asking to be shipped, because Maiko is lovely and also a badass, I adore the trio as a unit, she's a part of them, rather than a competitor. It's a really well-written relationship triangulation and I adore it.

Verdict: love them as friends, the brot3 trio.

Irie Mao Ngl their whole thing in FI was kind of cute. I just want them to go on a nice Enforcer-friendly date or something. (God the more I delve into parallel media the more I love Irie, to think I thought he was just some thug at the start)(anyway random Irie love over)

Irie Oishi The manga/novels really highlighted this relationship in a way that wasn't showcased in the anime. Irie was like a charismatic gang leader in the slums and Oishi looked up to him and felt betrayed when he left. Angsty shit, love it. But on the whole I see it as more of a brotherhood thing. Verdict: gen

Hinakawa Akane Little bro smitten with big sis, loyal to a fault. Again, the loyalty thing grabs me and refuses to let go. (Then I read the interview that said Sho was a bit of a siscon lmao)(still love him though, my lil druggie) But also I love the way Hinakawa strikes me as the kind of guy who likes to stay out of trouble (for the most part) but for Akane he will bend the rules (speaking to her through an illegal channel in S3 to give her updates).

Verdict: lil bro/big sis with or without the 'complex'

Gino Sugo Dont really ship it. But it's okay.

SAD 3+1 Most fav dynamic ever, love them to bits. 1000% need a spin off (the little omakes in the S3 manga gave me so much life istg) Verdict: LOVE (but also gen)

Division 1 found family-ness The best thing about pp

Frede Mika Fremenies with begrudging respect for one another. Kind of love it. Can't wait to see Mika's face when Frede 'poaches' Akane for the SAD Verdict: gen

Kunikara My og pp ship, way before I fell for ka I think they should get married and buy a cosy little apartment together and have a cavoodle doggo named Finn Verdict: SHIP 100000%

Shizuka Akane

A wildcard if I ever saw one. Firstly, they just look good together. Like Sybil would've matched them or something. But also Shizuka is just an enigma, I can't quite put a finger on him yet (the only thing I know about him is he lives to win, and has an interest in Akane's wellbeing for unspecified reasons.) I hope they reveal more about him in later seasons - he's a bit of a blank slate at the moment, a pluripotent little stem cell with a million ways of potential. He doesn't quite have the history that Akane shares with Kougami or even Gino, but there's enough in the crumbs we got from s3/FI to keep me hopeful.

Verdict: kind of ship but also an 'on probation' ship

Kougami Akane Ah, saving the best for last. Where do I even begin? At the start, when I was a wee 10yearsago-me watching PP1 for the first time, I was sucked into their dynamic. Something stirred, but it wasn't entirely a 'I want them to be together romantically'. It was a second, difficult to define, thing, borne of seeing the amount of trust and respect they had in each other. But also, somehow, somehow, I cannot imagine them sailing off into the sunset together. Like there is just no way. But also I desperately want to see it happen. I call this my Schrodinger's ship because I ship them and can't ship them at the same time. They have a lot of history and that in itself is enough to give me feelings, but I am left feeling conflicted about it. Like I know the creators are not going to remotely hint at any sort of romance with them and that's fine, that's not what PP is all about anyway. But still. They are just. So frustrating in they way they make me feel about them. ~~it's like emotional edging, help me~~ But also I will devour any fic, art, fanwork of them being romantically together or being that elusive third thing - not quite lovers but more than friends - in fact if anything, maybe the third thing is what I really wanted them to be all along.

Verdict: it's complicated (but also yes)

Wow looking at this list it looks like I'm more of a gen relationships person after all lol. Anyway it's all good fun. Sometimes gen is nice too. I will still be here for kouaka or whatever they want to be to each other. It's a private matter between adults after all

[carlyraejepsans]

What do you headcanon everyone's sexuality to be?

honestly I'm very um. whatever about sexuality headcanons. I don't think monsters in undertale see gender and sexuality as we categorize them in real life, so things are a lot more flexible. that being said, i do have Some Thoughts:

alphys is bi. like just bi, she's the only one i have a straightforward headcanon for. she even has the lil pride flag stickers on her water bottle n shit.

i like the idea that asgore and toriel are so old that they still view sexuality as something you Do rather than something you Are, like people used to do back then. i mean asgore obviously loved rudy at some point in his life and toriel has some wild stories from her youth that she'll play coy about, but neither of them would describe themselves as queer. just because that's not how they think of sexuality As A Concept.

i... don't see sans as the kind of guy with a label ? i think when you get down to it, he would technically fit the definition of demi, but he'd zone out halfway through the kind of conversation that leads to that conclusion so he just shrugs it off when you ask him and makes a bad joke to change the subject. also it varies, i like ace sans and i like bi sans too, but straight sans still feels more accurate to me than him being into dudes lmao. he does joke about kissing the homies goodnight tho ("WAIT A SECOND... YOU NEVER KISS ME GOODNIGHT. AM I NOT PART OF THE HOMIES??" "i never kiss anyone bro, we don't have lips" "OH! THAT'S RIGHT!!! ...CAN I STILL BE A HOMIE??" "sure man, knock yourself out")

okay okay i know how it sounds, but y'know that action movie dynamic where the machomen hero duo fights together side by side and spends all the film having very high homoerotic tension with one another except they both have wives and play it off as a bromance because if it was truly gay they would alienate over half of their fanbase? PAPYRUS AND UNDYNE ARE LIKE THAT, BUT PLAYED COMPLETELY UNIRONICALLY. it is completely 100% platonic, they're both HUGE homos in opposite directions and it has no bearing whatsoever on their individual sexualities. it's just the kind of spontaneous homoeroticism that spawns from beating the same guy up every day for enough days in a row. but yeah they're both gay as hell. (also undyne feels like the "10 years ago i married my best friend. my girlfriend isn't too happy about it but me and papyrus were drunk and we thought we could get away with tax fraud" kinda gal).

oh and papyrus doesn't do romance at all. full stop. aro!papyrus my beloved

mettaton had his gender identity crisis already and when he finally worked it out and saw the sexuality crisis in the distance he just decided he wasn't gonna deal with any more of that bullshit

frisk is a baby. they grow up to be very bi and very flirty, tho. which surprises no-one.

[thecarnivorousmuffinmeta]

Based on your head canon that Edward is a repressed homosexual riddled with internalized homophobia, how do you think Edward would react to Bella if she was a boy? I read your answer on the "if Caius switched places with Bella" question and I wanted to know if you think it'd be the same reaction with any guy.

I’d say it depends how much cis teenage boy Beauford is channeling.

I always picture Caius... not necessarily as screaming testosterone (but yes) but one of those unmistakably masculine guys. He’s not an intellectual, not a dude bro either like Emmett, but this guy is tough as nails and very... manly. It’s hard for me to picture a non Mycenaean warlord vampire Caius, i.e. the human Caius from the last ask, but I imagine, as before, the arts bore him and while not a football star he’s not an intellectual either.

Edward likes a few things about Bella. He likes her smell, her empty mind, her delicate frailty and feminine aesthetic, and what he can project onto her. What he chooses to project onto her is very telling.

She’s a gentle intellectual, well-read in mostly the classics, who has the disposition of a Madonna and is in desperate need of Edward’s protection from spiders and meteors.

By comparison, even before Bella became Bella to him, he finds most of the teenage boys in the school crass and beneath him. He also finds the girls vapid, gossipy, shrews but that’s a different story.

Point being, if Beauford’s a jock, if he thinks fart jokes are funny, or even if he plays a little too much Minecraft, Edward’s not going to be interested.

Edward has to be able to project a quiet intellectual onto Beauford the way he does Bella. Someone, perhaps, who is a little too sensitive to fit in with the bros. A gentle sort of man who is oddly like Carlisle, but even more so. He also can’t be too interested in women, as then he’d be just another Mike Newton. He also can’t be too blatantly interested in men because then Edward’s homophobia comes into play.

This was much the same with Bella, where part of her draw for Edward was that Edward imagined Bella was much too good for him and not attracted in the least. (He hopes, desperately, then is amazed, that Bella finds him hot. Meanwhile he loathes Jessica Stanley for lusting after him when Bella secretly does th esame damn thing.)

I also imagine that Beauford has to be a similar sort of frail pretty if only because Edward also has this protector and general inferiority complex. Edward’s the skinniest of the Cullen men and is very sensitive about this, as we see with Bella, he desperately wants to have a leg up on his partner and be the protector in the relationship. Edward would not do well with Rosalie, a woman who could carry his bleeding human carcass down a mountain.

So, let’s say Beauford checks all these boxes, which he very well might.

I imagine what we get is a very close “friendship” that’s actually really really really gay. Basically, it’s Bella and Alice’s Homoerotic Friendship II: The Quickening. And beautifully, just like canon, neither Edward nor Beauford realize they’re gay despite being in a committed relationship.

Edward takes Beauford to the meadow where he blissfully lays his chest across Beauford’s beating heart. Edward eats Beauford’s tear to keep him with him always. They do intellectual things like watch Romeo and Juliet together where Edward remarks he envies the ease with which Romeo can kill himself. After the James’ incident, Edward helps Beauford shower, then later draws erotic art that he claims isn’t erotic of Beauford in the shower. Edward openly remarks all the time that he plans to spend the rest of Beauford’s life watching him from the shadows as he marries some beautiful woman and has beautiful children. Beauford is his soulmate, an intellectual peer the likes of which the world has never seen, in a completely platonic way of course.

Carlisle remarks that he’s so glad Edward has finally found someone, Edward gives him this scandalized look. Ye gods, Carlisle, not like that! Wherever did you get such an idea? Carlisle quietly tries not think of the decades he spent in Volterra with ancient Greeks. It’s best Edward not know about that

All of Rosalie’s suspicions regarding Edward’s sexuality are confirmed, but she’s actually nicer than Edward makes her out to be, so she says nothing. She thinks it though, and Edward hates her for that.

Jasper’s just very confused and has to keep asking if Edward and Beauford have admitted this is all very romantic yet. The answer’s always no.

However, as Beauford can’t get pregnant and thus force the vampire issue, Edward likely doesn’t turn him and eventually devours him as he would have eventually devoured Bella.

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I generally try to keep relationshippy type posts more platonic on my blog but ethabaster shippers (or ethaster, as I’ve seen it referred to) y��all gave me content when there was none, this one’s for you babes <3 Also quick sidenote, this ship has extremely limited content in canon (which is to say, NONE) so a lot of this is based on speculation but bear with me because some of them are actually fairly plausible (or at the very least they aren’t explicitly ruled out by canon). Si tight because this may end up being pretty extensive.

The main reason they are shipped is because they are the only two similarly aged demigods in the titan army that we have any information on (including name) and thus have some small chance of meeting however it would be silly to say this is the only reason and - believe it or not - there are some other interesting reasons on why this is shipped. Keep in mind this is the PJO fandom, a fandom that visibly adores the “the grumpy one is soft for the sunshine one” trope (have y’all seen how popular Solangelo is ???) and in that respect Ethan and Alabsters personalities are easily compatible. 

I can’t recall a single instance in the books where Ethan is described as smiling; he is usually serious, driven and has very sharp responses to questions or statements he doesn’t like (see: “there is no wrong side”, glaring after being asked about his eye and almost pulling a sword on Percy for questioning his mothers motives and ethics). Alabaster on the other hand, while he is still traumatised from the massacre he recently witnessed, does still make ironic comments, smile and he is described at one point as “happy-go-lucky”. And yes, it is important to note that Ethan was with his enemy and Alabaster was with an ally during pretty much every page we see them in, the fact that Ethan had moments ago been rescued by the people he was snapping at and Alabaster still being somewhat cheery despite the horrors he had only just witnessed suggests it is more of a personality thing rather than a situation thing.  

This beloved trope is of course not the only instance of compatibility between the two. For example, Ethan’s story ended with him giving up the notion of getting revenge on the Olympians like kronos wanted and instead giving his life to pursue and fulfill his original goal of balance. On the contrary, Alabasters story is currently in a state in which vengeance helps keep him going; he sites revenge as the only thing that would make him go anywhere near chb. This sort of balances them out and creates and interesting dynamic and it would be a joy to see them interact after this but considering Ethan’s current predicament I don’t think that’s likely except in fics. (although in this Ethans calmer demeanor would make him the sunshine one and Alabaster with his John Wick revenge plot would be the grumpy one).

They also have a lot in common but not so much that they start looking like mirrors. They are both clearly passionate about their cause, both of them are willing to kill and die for what they believe is right. They both openly express how strongly they feel to the conflict and they didn’t get so far in the army by being apathetic to what everyone around them is fighting for. Alabaster was chosen to lead the demigods into battle and Ethan is definitely a person of note in the army from the things we’ve seen him do (meaning they had a very high chance of meeting during their time in the army). However, Alabaster and Ethan view the army in very different ways. Al clearly sees the army as a heroic force from his “hero’s never die, right?” line while Ethan isn’t so black and white with his world view which we know from his “there is no wrong side” line. This means that they are similar enough to have common interests that they can bond over while still being separate people that can act on their own wishes, desires or simple personalities. (because sometimes it’s nice when characters are characters instead of just existing to serve a ship)

They understand each other. As they were both high ranking members of the titan army with similar goals they will have had similar experiences and therefore know things about each other that most people just can’t; as in, they don’t have the experience necessary to understand them like they understand each other. This is very appealing from an observers perspective because a lot of the time people don’t want grand declarations of love and massive bouquets, they just want someone to know them intimately enough to be truly in love.

They also have a lot of story potential both before and after Ethan’s death. Especially if you consider the fact that Al could have saved Ethan or brought him back as a mistform. People like drama and intentionally or not seek out dramatic things. Ethan and Al’s storys are dramatic enough on their own but when you put them together and then imagine all the things they could have done or could do!!! The spice! The flavour! The DRAMA!!! and the intrigue. They are both very interesting characters that can pique one’s curiosity easily. When people are curious about characters they look more into them, think about them more and in some cases this leads to shipping.

Another reason is simple vibes. Sometimes you just look at some characters and go “yeah bro those guys vibe together” and that’s that. Your ship has been chosen by the Vibes ain’t nothing you can do about it. 

These aren't the only reasons of course but these are the only ones coming to my mind; if you have others please tell me. Now that we’ve got a couple of reasonings of why they’re shipped it’s time to look at their canon interactions. Since there are none you may expect me to skip this part entirely but you underestimate my devotion to both my favourite (platonic and romantic) ship and ✨obsessing over throwaway lines that only exist to give the readers a clearer image of a scene in their head rather than any plot important reasons✨. That’s right fellas it’s over analysis time (as the old saying goes, “if i cannot find homoerotic subtext, I will create it”) !!!

Before we begin, fear not avid lovers of sticking to things explicitly mentioned in the books, my argument is not “On page 228 of my copy of battle of the labyrinth, Ethan is first mentioned by a demigod holding a torch. Alabasters mother is the goddess Hecate and one of Hecate’s symbols is the torch therefore Alabaster is the person who found Ethan and thus the first times both are mentioned is in conjunction with each other which means boyfriends”, although I will admit my mind did have fun spiraling down to that little tidbit.

We know from the son of magic that Alabaster was able to use his magic to protect himself from the Princess Andromeda exploding but we are never given an explanation on how Ethan survived. I have mentioned this theory before and I’m going to say again the idea that Alabaster used the same magic to save Ethan that he used on himself. Alabaster doesn’t mention Ethan when he tells Claymore how he survived but remember he is still traumatized and it is anything but rare for trauma victims to seriously suppress their trauma (for example: almost watching a close companion being blown up right in front you and knowing that you are the only thing standing between them and breaking their toe on the big bad bucket) Of course there are reasons this might not work such as Ethan leaving the main deck to go to the engine room before the ship blows and Alabaster, being a high commanding officer, was likely on the deck when she blew however, Alabaster could have easily given Ethan some kind of magical protection before hand as they were warned of the anti Andromeda plot and will have prepared for any possible outcome. 

Another deadly event that Ethan miraculously survived is the bridge incident. Realistically, do you genuinely believe that an unconscious, minorly wounded kid is going to be able to drag his unconscious body through a massive crowd of tightly packed teenagers, to the other side of a very large bridge and get far enough away from that bridge to be safe from it completely collapsing all by himself ??? We already know Alabaster is powerful enough to survive an explosion of greek fire so a collapsing bridge should be nothing to him, even if he is lugging around his friends limp almost-corpse. Also, if you like the trope of character A lovingly teasing character B then there’s nothing to say Alabaster wasn’t the “nice knowing ya” guy and, If you prefer it when character A ruthlessly defends character B from silly jabs then there’s also nothing to say Alabaster didn’t stomp on the guys foot the second Ethan left. 

Another thing, ya know how Al has a bit of a revenge thing that he might need to tone down ever so slightly? Who better to help with that than a kid whose mum is the goddess of that kind of thing?! And yes, I know Ethan was already dead at that point but also, I don’t care; it can sort itself out. Anyway, I feel like with Nemesis kids it’s less of a “constantly seeking revenge for everything” and more of a “having a deeper understanding of revenge and therefore more able to regulate who does or doesn’t need some vengeance in their life”. It would have been interesting if Ethan survived and sorta coached Al on his feelings and how to deal with them in the least destructive way possible.

Also, as I mentioned before they are both high ranking individuals in the titan army. Al is chosen to lead the demigod forces into battle and Ethan seems to get called on by Kronos for a lot of specific tasks i.e. the sword of Hades, capturing Beckendorf, guarding Prometheus and being with Kronos during what he thought would be his final victory. From this we can assume that they probably worked pretty close together as the only high ranking demigods aside from Luke that we know of. All other important people in the army are titans, monsters or gods. As the only two demigods with such importance they probably gravitated towards each other and bonded over their workloads, goals or other things that people talk about before developing more intimate feelings (I assume but anyone who knows how relationships work please correct me if I’m wrong)

Also, a couple of things I noticed is what drives them is, at surface level, the same thing. They both want the Olympians to back up a bit and allow for the minor deity’s to receive some of the respect that has been with held from them for centuries. However, Al is more deeply motivated by his emotions while Ethan is not so much. Al expresses anger at the gods and disdain, he almost immediately latches on to the closest father figure he can get and gets notably excited when it appears he’s about to win and distraught when he thinks he’s lost. Ethan is motivated less by hatred for the gods but by a less emotionally draining thought of the minor gods deserve respect. He never gets emotionally invested in tasks, even life or death ones, unless attacked with something personal (he was generally apathetic during the parley until Percy started insulting him and his mother).

 This could be due to Al being allowed to openly express emotion while Ethan has been taught to suppress it. What evidence do I have for this? Their mothers. To Nemesis, Ethan is a tool, a means to an end, a “thing” to use so she can get the desired outcome. To her, taking his eye and telling him to join the army was little different from drilling a hole in a board. She took a part of his body as payment so she clearly doesn’t see him as or care that he is his own person with thoughts, feelings and desires of his own. Hecate on the other hand actively acknowledges that her son has his on interests ideas and she wants to see him happy which is a complete U turn from Nemesis. We know that Al ans Hecate have regular enough conversations through dreams but we don’t know if Ethan ever met Nemesis after the eye thing. So we know that Al has contact with a mother that not only supports him but actively uses her powers to improve his life (see Claymore) and Ethan saw his mother once, was presumably traumatized and never saw her again. Big yikes. (Also the reason that Hecate stopped resisting the Olympians was because they threatened her with Al’s life. If Nemesis was the one who chose to resist and Ethan was still alive would she have stopped to keep him alive? I doubt it)

But yeah that’s pretty much all possible character interactions they could have had, the rest is up to our dear old friend, imagination. have fun kids. Also pretty much everything here can be read as platonic sooo.

[benka79]

Unrequited Love, But Not really

Tom Paris x Harry Kim (st voy meta)

I know I talked about Harry and his inner war with his own feelings and the clown representing his fears to face his gay love for Paris here, but... After "The Chute"...

All the episodes were foreshadowing something... Mostly gay subtext for KimRis.

Let's see ...

Bisexual characters, the most important, Kes being possesed by an evil mind, and the guy in her body was OBVIOUSLY BISEXUAL by selecting one woman and one man to be his lovers. (Also... Introducing the idea of poly-love for the incoming Kim/Paris/Torres).

The big decision between leaving or staying: Janeway deciding between go to the light or staying in the Voyager. Kes deciding between go for adventures with a handsome alien or staying in the Voyager. The alien that took the shape of an hologram deciding between the loneliness of her space station or come back to his planet. Tuvok deciding between go to the surface of the elevator or stay inside with the others.

The love triangle, unrequited love, passionate repressed feelings. Dark side. Jealous. A lot of characters fighting against their own desires, dark wishes. Sexual instincts. We had Tuvok helping Harry to suppress his feelings and desires for an impossible love (subtextually this applies to Tom, but textually, they symbolized it with the alien/hologram). Then, let's talk about the Vulcan with his pon farr it's a clear example of it. And making Kim going through meditation to try to control his dark feelings, adds more subtext to his desires on suppress something inside of him he's rejecting: the love for his best friend. Another huge example was the parallel with the Doctor and Kes. The Doctor said he was the darkest feeling, he was obssesed with Kes, trying to keep her close to him, trying to steal her from her lover. The jealousy and the passion gave built that new character inside of him. We were witnessing again a war inside of the Doctor. As we will see in Paris trying to make Kim stay in the Voyager.

And these little details... Chakotay's wound on his forehead was a foreshadow for Harry's tattoos in his forehead in 3x20. Neelix saying to the alien he likes Tuvok and he wishes the feeling were reciprocated, it's showing us the unrequited love idea placed inside of Kim and Paris about their love for each other. Paris saying to that girl in the 90s 'I won't find someone like you' and then the Chute happens and he literally INVITES HARRY TO A DATE (pic nic) and Harry just ruin it SAYING THEY SHOULD ASK THE DELANY'S SISTERS TOO. Like NO HOMO AFTER THE MOST HOMO EXPERIENCE OF THEIR LIVES IN THE PRISSON WHEN TOM LITERALLY CLAIMED HIM AS HIA SEXUAL PARTNER???

Neelix is representing Harry's instincts, romanticism and Tuvok is his reason, trying to suppress his love for his best friend.

Inside Janeway's mind, Tom and Harry are more than friends. In the episode in which Captain Janeway dies, when Harry is saying his speech to say goodbye to the captain, his voice cracks and immediately Tom is by his side, touching his shoulder and comforting him, and the atmosphere is not platonic at all. Tom is almost glued at him, and he touches Harry and stares at him lovely, and then guides him to a corner, and remains there with him.

Not to mention when we arrive to 'Favorite Son', Tom's reaction, (overreacting for a simple platonic bro), as Harry caress that girl cheek. Not only that, but the way he longingly and worriedly, he keeps himself to a side, watching Harry closely. The camera is always showing him to a side but eyes locked on his friend.

Tom's eyes filled with terror when Chakotay says they can't track Harry's signal to teleport him.

And when Harry is back, he is still kind is away from Harry, Neelix is between them, talking about how special Ensign Kim is. And then, again, Tom's reaction when Harry confess he would like to be more like him. (And Neelix sneaking in the background when he heard Harry saying that to Tom, like, Neelix knows.) Tom's face there is priceless. A mix of surprise and sadness. And also, love. Desperately trying to show he is not a role model, and mentioning THEY COULD ENDED UP IN PRISON again, why? Because they already were together in prison. And that experience marked him, why? Because the intimacy they shared over there was overwhelming. And because he will remover Harry's words for a very long time. And because he wanted to date alone with him after that experience, but Harry brought the Delaney sisters to it. And that's why Tom decided his interest in having something else that just friendship was unrequited. Just like all the foreshadows about unrequited love we had previously to this episode. So... Here we are now. Tom will try to forget his own feeling by B'elanna's side.

I know what you think about that alternative future in which Tom marries Kes, and Harry marries Linx, their daughter. But ... Remember Tom had lost his faith into having something else with Harry that's why he moved to B'elanna, and now to Kes... When he is recalling their marriage, the only moment he brings is the one in which HARRY WAS VERY NERVOUS AND DROPPED THE CHAMPAGNE ALL OVER HIM, (I wonder if this was a symbolism of jealousy from Harry) and Harry marries Tom's daughter, like? She looks exactly like Tom. Do you copy me?

Another thing is Neelix in his kitchen offering the same food for three days and Tom yearning for 'trying something different' (it could be taken as if he were tired of women -maybe try some Harry-, but it also could be related to B'elanna, bc she's different from other girls) And also the piece of the story Tom snatched from B'elanna's hands and then he reads, it's the exactly description of what happened between him and Harry in 'The Chute', when Harry was about to kill him, but he stopped.

To Conclude:

All the romantic foreshadows, the topic of "coming out" and "fears" in season 2 with that clown and Harry, and the bisexuality in season 3 can add to the homoerotic subtext between Harry and Tom. It's clear to me that after "The Chute" the intimacy Tom and Harry reached compound into fears to his own feelings, trying to repress it even with Vulcan technics (Harry) and tasting waters while trying to date without girls, pining in silence, searching for another one who make him forget about the feeling of being unrequited (Tom). And please... So much homoerotism when Tom kiss the Holo girl and immediately goes after Harry, inviting him to dinner with him, and massaging Harry's shoulder as they walk away from the holodeck, (season 2), or when they are modifying Neelix Holo program, Harry call for Holo girls, but Tom asks for fruit cocktail (which is an innuendo for gay orgies) and offers one to Harry.

And then, both friend SHAMELESSLY MOANING IN PLEASURE ONE IN FRONT OF THE OTHER AS THE HOLO GIRLS ARE MASSAGING THEIR SHOULDERS? REALLY?

Okay, I will stop. I didn't see this coming when I was a little 13 years old watching Voyager for the first time... I just had to write all these things down.

[taejinchronicles]

Answering asks #4

l-der asked:

What kind of bf do you think Tae/Jin is?

Hypothetically speaking, I can answer your question.

We have to consider the Taejin timeline to understand what kind of hypothetical boyfriends they are right now. Because it took so much time for them to finally become a couple I think they are different from most couples that start a love affair right away.

If you take a moment to compare Jinnie & V's dynamics before and after, it's like 2 different duos. Before, there was the tension of that platonic love and mutual admiration from a safe distance, using the group's friendship to hang out and kinda gravitate around each other. Those long years of becoming friends and spending almost 24/7 together but not "together" probably made both of them so frustrated... perhaps this is why now they are totally a mellow couple and like superglued. I also think they feel really protective of what they have now, cause it was a struggle to get to this point.

So let's analyze both individually at this new taejin "love conquered" phase.

TAE

My boy V has changed drastically over the past year right?! He has matured and became more sophisticated, calmer and kinda like more sensual...it connects with the taejin timeline. From my point of view, the boy became a man. To experience his first relationship gave him a self-assurance he did not have in the past. The fact he really had to conquer that love, to finally date the one he was into for so long gave him that permanent sense of pride he sports every time he's with Jin. Jin was his grand prize and he won him.

His usual behaviour, that most of us have noticed of pulling Jin to himself on back hugs or hooks is a clear body language sign of dominance and possessiveness. Unconsciously V is saying "Jin is mine and he is not going anywhere". And to the shoulder pulling thing, Jin usually responds accordingly, but I can explain that later...

Biting his shoulders and touching Jin's lips in body language means an instinctive act of claiming the object of affection as your own. 

There is also a sense of protectiveness towards Jin. All the boys love to scold Jinnie, but V never does that. He is always defending him (from verbal or physical attacks) like Jin I his damsel in distress and he is a brave knight lol...

He is constantly praising Jin, from his looks to his ideas or silly things. He is always paying attention to what he is saying and some times recently, even completing his sentences in interviews.

JIN

My petal Jinnie also has changed a lot on the "love conquered" phase. He is much more comfortable in being louder, funnier and express his joie de vivre. I guess dating his longtime love + being worldwide hansome dork = happiness! 

When the pulling by the shoulders (or head or arms or whatever part of Jin's bod V can reach) happens Jin's default behavior is to stay still and obey. He never avoids the hugs or tries to overpower V with a "bro hug" or something.

To accompany the shoulder pull, Jin loves to caress V's leg. As seen on the Mama vid, bowling, board game, sb mv and several bangtam bombs Jin has a thing for V's thigh.

When he touches V he gives him the softest, most lovely butterfly wings touches...

Jin has the need to express his feelings with impromptu intimate compliments and love declarations like there is no one else but them in the world...

TAEJIN TOGETHER

I mean these dorks walk around holding hands, shopping at Gucci and going on secret dates...They also did a freaking love song duet and an homoerotic live performance at MAMA... it's safe to say they are the explicitly ‘romantic kinda of couple’ ya know...those kinds that are super glued and so sappy you kinda get second hand embarrassment lol. Plus they legit constantly wear (that's a trend in Japan and Korea) couples outfits like here, both in Burberry + Gucci:

Analysis (psychological):

Tae is dominant, possessive, protective and loves to praise Jin.

Jin is passive, pliant, soft and loves to spoil Tae.

Veredict (fangirlical):

Tae & Jin are those dream like couples that make you believe in love stories again but who are so disgustingly in love that you kinda know that they have raised the bar too high and you will never find a love like that so it's ok to be forever alone as long as Taejin is thriving together. 

Thanks for the asks. So what kind of couple do you think taejin are?

Lots of love.

[raijinhasverybigpecs]

how are Raijin’s relationships with the other gods? who is he close to outside of his family and is there anyone he doesn’t like? ya boy is interested in his platonic relationships uwu. sorry for disappearing for a bit- real life is stressful 😔😔

raijin’s platonic relationships are p good, he isn’t really annoying/weird/creepy/evil like some other gods so i’m sure he’s on good terms with all the reasonable dieties lol

he’s defs close buddies with the warrior gang, raijin’s basically one anyways lol. raijin defs asks the other warriors to spar but he thinks they should really loosen up and lose the ego behind their actions as he just fights mostly for fun. i do think he’d be close buds w/ wukong as they both love the thrill of a good fight but don’t take things too seriously like the other brawler/war gods. raijin and wukong are just frat bros who are Horny For Battle(tm)

(also i feel like there’s homoerotic tension between raijin and wukong in the same way that die hard bros would probs give the other a handjob and be cool with it but i also think both would be completely fine in being friends with benefits as they’re both p shameless and p thotty so 😳)

there’s a friendly rivalry between thor, chaac and raijin so i would imagine they’d be friends as well in the same way that raijin’s friends with wukong lol

i can imagine raijin and bacchus having drinking nights and sharing sake together. they’re frat bros but in a less warrior-y way bc they’re here to have fun and party lol. also i think bacchus would play the role of wingman if raijin had ~romantic queries~ bc raijin would probs be more comfortable talking to a Dude(tm) over aphro (although he would ask aphro when it came to actually romantic stuff, bacchus is a lil bit more carnal w/ his advice). also bacchus is a manwhore so they’d do stuff on the side p casually lol the battleground of the gods is very masculine in a very homoerotic way huh

i just think overall raijin, being part of the insular and isolated japanese pantheon, is closer to his family and pantheon than he would be w/ other gods. i still do think he’d be friends w/ the gods mentioned above but raijin’s pantheon comes first for him (like a lot of other gods 🤧)

(also i sent positive vibes to you before but lemme try again bro 😤✊💗)

[awed-frog]

I love your 'love tropes everywhere' tag! And right now something came to my mind (Sorry I can't look it up by myself right now, but) might it be that most of these love tropes aren't recognized as such because of the music? At least I can't remember any "lovely" music in DeanCas-scenes, if you understand what I mean.

Hey! Thank you - that’s one of my most depressing tags, but it also makes it so clear what they’re doing with Destiel, doesn’t it?

(Sigh.)

As for the music - that’s a very interesting theory, but unfortunately, music is something I mostly know nothing about, so I don’t know if I can answer your queston. My opinion on that - and I presume that in this case, you’re wondering specifically about the parallels highlighted by this post - is that music can influence the way you view a scene, because even I know that, but I wonder if it can truly override our collective #NoHomo mindset. As I explained here, even for me, someone who grew up with a borderline hippy family reading weird books and watching weirder movies, both IRL and (often) on screen a gay couple is not a couple until they cross some line - and that line is much higher than it is for a straight couple. It’s unfair, but it’s apparently how brains work. For instance, yesterday a Facebook contact I haven’t seen in forever and ever posted a new picture - you could see these two guys, okay, arms around each other, some kind of beach in the distance - and there you see it again - if my friend had been with a girl, I would have assumed, 100%, that that was a romantic partner - a girlfriend or a wife - because something in the picture was very intimate and soft and that’s not how you pose with friends. But since they were two men, and I’d never heard anything about him being gay or bi, I just - I don’t know. You think best friend, you think jokey picture, like those best men playing bridesmaids and screaming at the ring. And whenever this happens, I’m not happy with myself - I tsk and roll my eyes and everything else - but our brains have this weird way of functioning statistically in how we see the world (in movies, 99% of couples are straight and 99% or bros are just friends, so that’s what you see) and then ignoring statistics as soon as there’s a rational decision to be made (a lot more people are killed in traffic and changing light bulbs than they are in terror attacks, and yet it’s the bombs we fear). So in the case of Dean and Cas I’m not exactly sure that even music can change anything, if simply because everything else really didn’t (all those I need you and breaking mind control spells and mixtapes and the platonic staring - if this had been a man and a woman, everybody to the Moon and beyond would have accepted it as canon asap). 

I mean, Sam and Jess were a couple, and this is the data our brains have been given - they were in love, they lived together, they went to parties and whatever - this means that what they’re doing with them - Sam seeing Jess by the side of the road, Lucifer pretending to be Jess, Sam rushing to save Jess from the fire and everything else - that’s not subtext - it’s text, and it supports the coherent and honest narrative we’ve seen from the very first episode. For those mythological creatures, the ‘casual viewers’, there’s no ambiguity there, no math to do in their heads. They’ve been told straight out that Sam loved Jess in a ‘I want to have babies with you’ way, so when Lucifer slips into her skin the situation is abundantly clear. Dean and Cas, on the other hand - what is missing, and mostly the reason I’m so angry, is that there is absolutely nothing textual there. Everything we have about them are things that can either be read both ways, or are so ‘unimportant’ that a normal viewer wouldn’t even notice them. This means that when Lucifer pretends to be Cas, the situation is very different (maybe not for us, but for a ton of people out there). And, frankly, not even Céline Dion could change this - after seeing the media’s reaction to the mixtape, for instance, it was clear to me that the next season could open with a montage of Dean teaching Cas how to dance with My Heart Will Go On blaring from some jukebox and it still wouldn’t be enough.

(Ugh.)

And the thing is, part of me understands this reluctance or obliviousness we’re seeing about realizing Destiel is a thing, because there is no reason, none, not to insert it in the text. If they want to preserve some UST and general misery, which is always a good idea, they could still have Dean talk to Jody - they had the perfect opening this season in her You can tell me anything speech - or, whatever, they could have filmed the magnificent episode someone (sorry, I never remember who) wrote here on tumblr about a case featuring some ex boyfriend of Dean’s. Seriously, it’s not that difficult.

(But, yeah.)

So, I’m sorry - the only thing I can offer here is that I checked out the first parallel (because I can’t bear to rewatch that last episode, and I do remember Casifer talking to Dean wasn’t framed in any particularly romantic way).

When Sam sees Jess in Bloody Mary, the background music is The Rolling Stones’ Laugh I Nearly Died, which starts well before that scene and seems to be more about Sam’s feelings of guilt and ‘unmooredness’ than his everlasting love for Jess. Jess appears during the guitar solo and disappears over the last refrain - I’m so sick and tired / Trying to turn the tide, yeah / So I’ll say my goodbye / Laugh, laugh / I nearly died. As for the Destiel scene that was heavily paralleled to that one, well - it’s neatly done, isn’t it, because in this case, Dean sees Cas right at the beginning of the episode (Sam and Jess, that was the very last scene) and, again, the scene is framed by a classic rock song, The Animals’ We Gotta Get Out of This Place. Now, the interesting thing is that the Destiel scene is played in a much more insistent way - that song is way more romantic, for starters (‘Cause girl, there’s a better life for me and you), and when Dean sees Cas, the lyrics go Now my girl you’re so young and pretty / And one thing I know is true, yeah / You’ll be dead before your time is due, I know it. The second thing is that Dean, unlike Sam, acts upon this vision - he stops the car, drives back, gets out, and looks around, whereas Sam simply stared in awed desperation at Jess before the screen went black. And, third point: when we saw Jess, that was filmed from Sam’s point of view, but when we saw Cas, that wasn’t Dean’s point of view - it was the external narrator’s (so to speak), and that generally means what we’re seeing is objective reality. Now, I’m not saying that’s yet another indication that Dean loves Cas (or maybe a little bit) - I think what’s happening here is that Cas, unlike Jess, was not dead, and that Dean actually had a glimpse of him walking along some road - maybe not the one he was driving on, but that scene - and this is confirmed by how it was filmed - was real. Dean saw Cas, and Cas saw Dean. That wasn’t a vision. As to what it means, subtextually, if anything - I am reminded of that Fanfiction thing where the two girls playing Dean and Cas were a couple in real life. External narrators and objective reality outside the theatre’s stage usually means, this is actually true, pay attention - but, again, it’s subtext, so, whatever.  

Anyway, if you’re interested in this I can recommend TV Tropes, which is devouring Supernatural with a vengeance (see for instance their Ho Yay! page, which features many examples of barely subtextual homoerotic moments).

(By the way - I rewatched bits of Bloody Mary to find that Jess scene and there he was, baby Dean waking Sam up from a nightmare and saying, ‘Sooner or later we’re going to have to talk about this’ - and that’s another example of viewer bias, isn’t it, because when I first started to watch the show, I didn’t really like Dean and mostly saw him as some insensitive fuckboy - and yet I bet there were plenty of little moments like that one which already contradicted this alpha male façade Dean was trying to cling on to. I guess I just didn’t see them, not until later, because I’d already decided in my mind what this character was like. 

Brains are funny things, aren’t they?)

[the-stoned-ranger]

I was tagged by @phaytesworldin a challenge: “So someone asked me what lines I wrote in a fanfic that still make ME laugh. I thought that was a great question, and I want to pose it to all the writers out there.

look, i LOVE crack. i think it is an underrated form of fiction--it’s fucking HARD to be funny in writing. for some reason, people LOVE reading my smut... but my crackfic has only a fraction of the hits.... sigh. i will never understand my audience, i suppose this is why i’m just a weird niche writer....

from Honey, We Broke the Children

“How do you know this about Yurio, Mila?”

She snorted. “He’s always been like that.”

“What do you mean, ‘always’?”

“Let me give you a hint, Viktor: when Yurio said he was into bears, he didn’t mean like, National Geographic.”

from The Shaming of Yuri Plisetsky, International Figure Skater and Cat Enthusiast

“Isn’t [JJ] like, obsessed with your arms or something?”

Otabek groaned. “He wanted me to take a video of the lifts I do and send it to him...”

Yuri chuckled. “You should start doing more squats. Then maybe JJ would send you pictures of his ass.”

“That’s a great idea, Yuri!”

Yuri huffed and blew his bangs out of his eyes before he spoke. “I will never understand this weird competitive homoerotic gym bro thing you two have.”

from The Skate Gang Produces an Ice Show

“A flier does all the work for us!” Chris agreed. He patted JJ on the ass, the kind of totally platonic ass-patting that absolute did not mean anything sexual.

Yuuri was not convinced. “The Internet? Craigslist?”

“You don’t want to advertise on Craigslist,” Chris said with authority. “ You post an ad on Craigslist and the next thing you know, you’re being gangbanged by five muscle daddies with a bukkake fetish.”

from Only Losers Go To School

Though the professor continued to rant, he interrupted to impertinently ask “Monsieur Lee, I don’t know if you’re talking about existential absurdism here anymore. This is more like, basic nihilist theory than anything else.”

Monsieur Lee fell silent, caught in the middle of some complicated gesture.

Yuri looked at the professor condescendingly. “Nihilism? You know, the Russian philosophy that has its roots in the assassination of Tsarist monarchy and argues that life is without any meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value?” He raised his eyebrow

Monsieur Lee leaned forward, cautiously interested in what Yuri had to say.

“You know, my life certainly changed for the better once I discovered nihilism,” Yuri said, winking dangerously at Otabek, who swallowed hoarsely before returning Yuri’s dangerous grin.

He gathered his wits well enough to join Yuri’s joke. “Wow, nihilism really changed my life too,” Otabek said. “Once you perceive the pointlessness of existence, your whole perception of what is possible really changes, you know?”

from The Curious Case of the Katsuki-Nikiforov Quintuplets

“But Viktor--men can’t get pregnant.” The words were decisive, as if Yuuri was not, in fact, living proof that at least once man could.

Viktor didn’t seem to share his concern at all. He merely nuzzled his husband’s ear with his nose, whispering sweetly. “Don’t you see, Yuuri? You’re amazing,” Viktor said, holding on to his husband. “You do things no one else can do. Like a quad flip at the very end of your long program.”

Yuuri snorted. “OK, Vitya, I think being a pregnant man and landing a quad at the end of the free skate are not quite the same thing.”

i tag @kinoglowworm @meimagino @muspellssynir @modernart2012

[missjackil]

SPN and Subtext

First, let’s establish what subtext is really, for anyone who may not know. It is unspoken, unacted, non-canonical, images a writer wants you to think about. It’s not some hidden secret that the author wants only a select few to know about, its just something to provoke thought. A way to make some people anticipate something that may or may not become canon at some point, and Supernatural has a lot of it.  The very first hints of subtext, were naturallly between Sam and Dean. Supernatural, at its very core is “The epic love story between two brothers” as quoted by Erik Kripke. “Wncest” was the very first, organically grown ships that developed from the show’ subtext, and still continues 12 years later. Canonically however, Sam and Dean are not sexual with each other, and they never will be, but there’s nothing wrong with enjoying the subtext, like, how they stand/sit so close together, how theyre gorgeous single men in their 30s that insist on living together and still share motel rooms even though they could each get their own. The lengths they’ll go to save each other, the way they look at each other and so on.  This subtext is subtle, nothing that would make anyone think the show promotes incest, but provocative enough to make some people wonder exactly how far they could go for each other. How deep is that love really? In our world, anyone with this level of love, would probably be having sex too, but we don’t know this level of love in our real lives. Sure, we all have people we love deeply, more than our own lives, that we wouldnt think about having sex with, but none of us have sold our soul for that person, condemning ourselves to Hell for eternity, for just 1 more year with that person, and so they wont die yet. None of us have overpowered the Devil himself so he wouldnt kill them (and then of course save the world in the process) and hardly any of us have ever killed to save this one person. So a person who may be intrigued with the idea that Sam and Dean may have, or could have sex at some point, isnt necessarily in favor of incest (for most wincest shippers anyway) but more or less wondering how it hasnt happened yet, considering this level of love. 

Now most WIncest shippers know, and understand, Sam and Dean wont ever have sex on the show, and most of them don’t even want them to, and would rather it be left to their imagination, and fan fic. When the show piles on the subtext though, with the bro hugs, and deep meaningful confessions of feelings, such as “Dont you dare think that theres anything, past or present that I would put in front of you! I need you to see that... Im begging you!” Our little wincest hearts grow 10 sizes even if we dont ship it.  Now there has been subext (homoerotic) put between Sam, Dean and other characters. Also, not to be a secret message that either Sam or Dean are gay or bi, or that either will be in a same sex relationship to anyone, but its put there just to provoke thoughts. Writers have used this since there have been characters to write about. Even in the Bible, there is subtext between King David and his best friend Jonathan that he “loved like a brother”. Its never written that they were in love with each other, or that they had sex, but it does make the reader wonder if it happened.  Subtext between Cas and Dean started early when Cas came to the show, but it also happened between Cas and Sam though less people noticed it, simply because Dean had more interaction with Cas than Sam did, but Sam and Cas always had their own subtext since they met. Sam went a little fan boy upon meeting an angel, and Cas, though pointing out Sam had demon blood, gave him a warm, affectionate, 2 handed hand shake. However, Cas was more active with Dean, and a lot more angry and violent with him, as well as Dean was angry and disrespectful to Cas for most of S4 and 5, which has me wondering how Destiel even became a popular ship, given how brutal they have been with each other.

The subtext doesnt end with these 3 though. There was subtext between Dean and Benny, Crowley and Sam, Crowley and Dean, Crowley and Cas, Sam and Mick, Dean and Mr Ketch, but again, these are not secret messages that any of them are gay or bi or that any will become a romantic couple. In fact, I am beyond sure, none of them ever will.  SPN isnt that kind of show. The lives of the Winchesters are tragic. They can’t have normal relationships with people, even with each other. The show is, and always will be about Sam and Dean, not their significant others, if they ever venture to give them girlfriends again, we can be sure, they wont get married and have children. They certainly wont give them boyfriends, if they were going to establish that either of them were anything besides straight, that would have come out a long time ago. Changing their sexuality this far into the series, would change the series itself to something it never was.  I wont lie and say its not fun to fantasize and read fan fic because it sure is! But if I expect the show to change Sam and Dean’s sexuality, Im going to end up very disappointed. Like so many Destiel fans are going to be when it comes to the end and Sam and Dean end up together, whether living or dead, it will still just be them together.  I havent been on Tumblr very long, less than a year, and Im shocked to see how bad some people are about their ships. I cant believe that a big portion of Destiel shippers believe ludicris things like the show is pushing Sam out to make room for Cas as Dean’s #1, Jensen doesnt know or care about Dean if he doesnt believe Dean is 100% in love with Cas, Sam and Gabriel would make a lovely couple, or maybe even Sam and Lucifer, Dean is bisexual and the paint color on the wall proves it...I could go on forever but Ill make myself sick probably. Theres gonna be some really disappointed people when/if Cas isnt back next season, which is very likely, since Misha’s contract is up this year and he hasnt been acting like someone who is interested in staying on this particular show, has been given billing after Mark Sheppard if they’re in the same episode, and now the show has gone and made Cas so unredeemable to the boys, I wouldnt be shocked if it’s Dean that kills him,  but I am about 90% sure, Cas is done after this season.  So even though there is a ton of homoerotic subtext in this show, none of us should take it as anything more than it is. Just thoughts implanted to make the show more interesting, but not insite of whats to come. Just write and read fan fic, and appreciate the show for what it is, The Epic PLATONIC love story between Sam and Dean and some random monsters, demons, angels, God and Baby :)