#israel and palestine

[obsxssedwithstuff]

The most insane thing i keep seeing is people claiming jews are not indigenous to israel. Like what????? There is overwhelming proof that jews are indeed indigenous to israel yall just wont let us have shit

[transmascpetewentz]

i don't know why i have to say this, but it is antisemitic to obsessively stalk someone converting to judaism to try and find evidence of them being a zionist. you are not making multiple "masterposts" of out-of-context screenshots to make him look as bad as possible to call out real zionism or protect palestinians. instead, your actions are more indicative of your antisemitism and your willingness to harass people. and no, the converting person not being jewish doesn't make what you're doing any less antisemitic.

[aw-studios]

Characters but they are kitty kitties

[mentheae-vine]

Do you know the difference between the posts on Israel and the posts on Palestine.

When I look at Israel posts they show soldiers injured or killed and unfortunate incidents caused by the ‘Palestinian Terror’, with gruesome injuries and hostages. I tell myself it’s war these things happen. And if this is what Israel is facing then it should be equal on the opposing side.

But then I look to Palestinian side of things. And there’s a clear difference.

They are in ruins.

Refugee camps everywhere.

Injuries widespread, cities in reduced to ashes.

And then I say to myself.

“Where are Israel’s ruins?

Where are their crowded bomb shelters?

Where are their crying orphaned children?

Where are the bodies crushed under rubble?

Where is their loss in this war?”

All Israel has are spoils of war and sprinkles of tragedy compared to the massacre that is Palestine right now.

It looks like the second coming of the holocaust in Palestine. No one is spared not even the harmless civilians.

I understand dead and injured soldiers. They fight and die for their country’s ideals.

But targeting civilians, harmless civilians, innocent children! That is a massacre. That is Genocide.

That is like saying when Germany occupied France in WWII they killed everyone in Paris and blew up the Eiffel Tower!

I want every Pro Israel person to look at the rubble that has become of Gaza and say out loud.

“This is justice. This is peace.”

I’ll wait.

[half-asleep-star]

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[soft-cookie-aka-aquadrop]

When I found out that the Israeli military was killing noncombatants, including children, that didn't make any sense to me. No sense at all. I thought their goal was to punish the Hamas terrorists for taking hostages, but then it turned into a full-scale invasion, with the Israeli military bombing and shooting everything and everyone they could.

Why, though? Why would they attack people who weren't involved in the conflict? Why did whoever's in charge at Israel decide that genocide was an appropriate response to the terrorists taking hostages? And, above all else...

Why children? Why kill innocent children? Children aren't terrorists! Children don't take hostages! Children aren't doing anything to threaten Israel...

...and then it dawned on me. I remembered the scene from the Jungle Book where Bagheera tells Baloo why Shere Khan wants to kill Mowgli.

"He hates man with a vengeance, you know that! Because he fears man's gun and man's fire!"

"But little Mowgli don't have those things!"

"Shere Khan won't wait until he does! He'll get Mowgli while he's young and helpless! Just one swipe and..."

That's it, isn't it? Palestinian children may not be threats to Israel, but Israel's leaders and military are afraid that those children might grow up to become threats to Israel. So they decided to nip that potential threat in the bud, so to speak, by killing the Palestinian children before they could ever have the chance to threaten Israel, in the same way Shere Khan tried to kill Mowgli before he could become a threat.

The fact that those children had thoughts and feelings, families and friends, hopes and dreams? All irrelevant to Israel's leaders and military. As irrelevant as the thoughts and feelings of rats are to an exterminator. It's ironic, if you think about it, since the Nazis thought of Jewish people the exact same way.

[thefirsthogokage]

It's really fucking wild to see so many people - including ones I looked up to - say "You can (and basically should) just be sad for Israel right now. No, bitch, this Jew is going to remind people:

A) The Israeli GOVERNMENT killing INNOCENT Palestinians ALL. THE. TIME. Does that make what Hamas did right? No, but I understand the rage that could lead to that.

B) Hamas is NOT a government institution*. It's a bunch of mostly young male 20-25 year olds in a TERRORIST GROUP. Should they know better and have a soul about killing innocents? Yes, but the same could be said about Israel, who had purposefully targeted children getting treatment for their the psychological trauma Israel inflicted on them with their constant attacks.

C) Israel needs to stop calling itself a Jewish state because they aren't. They are a Zionist terrorists state, and people conflate their behavior with Judaism, which doesn't help the antisemite problem. And Hamas isn't targeting them for being Jews. Religion has nothing to do with it. There are Palestinian Muslims, Jews, and Christians, and people need to not forget that.

This whole situation is fucked up, and I am once again saying that what Hamas did is right, but we can absolutely acknowledge that what Israel is doing to innocent Palestinians isn't right either. In fact, we should, because most of the world doesn't mourn with them when their civilians are killed, but Israel getting all the sympathy right now? Only talking about Israelis pain? Fuck that.

This isn't a one-sided civilian killing, the Israeli government has been killing innocent Palestinians for DECADES.

Do I want to feel safe in their world as a Jew? Yes. Do I want Palestinians to feel safe in their homes? ALSO YES.

Using this opportunity to say "we need to be safer in the world as Jews" is NOT the win you think it is when Hamas isn't targeting anyone for being a Jew. A Zionist terrorists, probably, but not a Jew...unless Israel has conflated who they are with Judaism so much that Hamas doesn't know what Judaism is, but the again, that's doubtful since there are Palestinian Jews.**

*Hamas was previously elected, but has forcibly kept power.

**So, at first I said this, then I said Hamas had it written into their laws, then I learned that charter was amended in 2017 to say they are against ZIONISTS, not Jews. So, no, Hamas isn't antisemitic, though I certainly have seen a few people supportive of Palestinians be antisemitic.

[limeadeislife]

It really feels like some people are saying

"Let's be reasonable and nuanced. Yes, it's sad that children are dying. However, when you actually research the history, some people who came from the same ethnic group as those children didn't agree with a certain proposal in the late 1940s, that I personally think they should have. Therefore, in a way, it's actually kind of those children's own fault that they're getting killed"

[boreal-sea]

"Israel was made so Jews would finally have a safe place to live and not be persecuted!"

"Israel was created to help give the West a foothold in the region for oil and other resources!"

Both of these things are true, actually.

"Hamas wishes it could commit genocide against the Jews and eliminate them from the region!"

"The government of Israel is currently commiting genocide against Palestinians in Gaza!"

Both are true, but I don't think I need to tell you which one is actually worse because it's actually currently happening.

[aratilightwood]

[transmascpetewentz]

[non-stick-pansexual]

Too many people look at I/P and view it as a situation where you can only choose one side. That’s bullshit. It’s not ‘you are Spider-Man and can either save all the Israelis or all the Palestinians’, and thinking that way dehumanizes either group. Gazans are in fear of dying every day— Israeli Jews and non-Israeli Jews alike are ALSO in fear of dying every day. Who are you to say either group’s suffering is invalid?

It’s not about ‘choosing a side: Israel or Palestine, the IDF or Hamas’. It’s about abiding by your beliefs and morals, that no one deserves to fear for their life on the daily.

And if you say that Jews aren’t afraid and are sitting pretty, you’re either extremely ignorant or extremely antisemitic.

[moochou-eats-paper]

Really random but I’m kind of an atheist but that doesn’t mean I hate religion like some people. For all I know there could be a god and I think if you’re religious, that’s really cool. I am quite pessimistic and if something bad is happening, I just accept and go ‘oh well, there’s the end.’ But religious people like pray and stuff and they have a reason for hope or someone to look up to and tell them their problems, kind of like a parent but you don’t have anything to hide. I think that’s really cool if you believe in that because that’s real dedication that I couldn’t commit to.

Also, can we just acknowledge that I was reminded to post this because of a Palestine and Israel post and one of the tags said something like ‘may allah bless them’ or something along those lines. This is really sad and I get that Palestine might be the ‘bad guy’ here (I’m not too sure about everything because I don’t have access to bbc news where I am right now) but still, the people in Palestine are still dying too and the same with Israel. There is hope, people and let’s try our best to end this. I hope my random spark of inspiration sparked something inside you too.

[half-asleep-star]

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[lordystrange]

This tiktok explains pretty well why I don’t boycott Noah Schnapp (without mentioning him at all).

I don’t boycott him because I don’t think he’s in that other extreme end. I think he’s somewhere in between. Wanting that safe place for jewish people, especially now that they’re facing so much antisemitism, but not wanting the genocide of palestinians.

That’s what I think he thinks/wants. Is it impossible to actually achieve? Possibly. But does dreaming of it make him a terrorist? No. (And I also think that’s why he didn’t think those stickers were that bad. And while joking about the situation would offend many people, i also understand that for many people humour is a coping mechanism. He could apologize for it but I don’t see him filming those stickers making him an evil person.)

So, to add up, black and white thinking is not gonna get us anywhere. Cancelling Noah and especially harassing him is not gonna get us anywhere. I truly believe he’s just a teen, scared for the safety of himself and his loved ones over generational trauma.

They who are without sin, may cast the first stone.