#ishim supernatural

[saturnneedsspace]

Rewatching 'Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets' is such an enlightening experience. The amount of Destiel in this episode is insane. What do you mean a few seasons prior Dean gets mad at Cas for "personal space" and then literally sits on him at the diner, and then also basically cusses out Ishim for mocking Cas? What do you mean Ishim says he'll cure Cas of his human weakness like he did his own, aka killing his human lover, and then charges Dean with an angel blade. And what do you mean Cas lays there, nearly dead, and Dean forfeits blasting away Ishim because there's just a chance it might kill Cas. (Even though I think Ishim's full of shit there because I don't think it really would've blown Cas away)

Not to mention the entire episode was them having marital disputes because of Cas killing Billie to save Dean and Dean's 2 favorite people, and then giving a heartfelt confession about how much they mean to him.

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

Cas: "Well it seems that some of my choices may need to be questioned."

wild that Destiel is the healthy relationship in this scenario

[melodyfsoul1]

Supernatural Angel Wings, Ishim

[myaimistrue]

uriel appears in multiple season 4 episodes and one season 5 episode in a different vessel. he's the funniest angel in the garrison and one of the first to betray his brothers and sisters when lucifer returns. ishim appears in the fan favorite 12x10 "lily sunder has some regrets." a former commander of castiel and other angels, he spends his time on screen attempting to escape lily sunder's vengeance. which of these humanity hating angels will come out on top?

link to the masterpost

[throwupgirl]

[heliotrope155]

Something I find intriguing about the angels in Supernatural is that so many of them have disdain for humans and the vessels they're "forced" to take, but when it comes to their conversations with each other, their lobotomies, their heavenly-based discussions, and meetings they don't take on their true forms any of the times we get access to, or speak largely in Enochian. Part of me thinks that's some kind meta thing for the human audience watching to avoid blowing out their eyes (kind of like Dean's censored swearing in the Ghostfacers), or maybe it's unreasonably difficult in this day and age to find a good consenting vessel, or perhaps deep down they're all in built with a strange liking for humans, and once they adopt a vessel there's a group consensus that everyone should just stay in it.

[silver-stake-through-the-heart]

Lily Sunder's problem is that she's too normal to meddle with angels. She liked Ishim until she realized how unwordly and inhuman he is.

Ishim: Oh. What have you done? I shared all of our secrets with you, taught you all of our ways for your precious studies. I… I loved you.

Lily: You didn't love me. You were obsessed with me. That isn't love.

Ishim: I loved you. You threw me away for him.

She's seing love in a very human way (which is… normal, since she's human). But obsession and/or devotion is actually the way angels show their attachement.

(And being as close as physically possible.)

Meanwhile:

Cas gives up everything, kills tons of enemies and starts random apocalypses every season or so FOR Dean and Dean is all "Maybe he likes me" while every supernatural entity around are "there is something going on between them". They also have this tendency to stand on each other (personal space? they don't know her).

Adam (The First) and Seraphina are this insufferable (affectionate), touchy-feeling couple, linked to the hips… since thousands of years.

Then you have Adam and Michael, Benjamin and his vessel, literally sharing the same body and having none intention of going on separate ways (separate ways being going one inch away from each other).

[luulapants]

ROUND 1: Ishim vs Sam Winchester

[reboot-of-humanity]

I present to you Raphaël, Spine, Madeleine, Jeanne, Niels and Anael!

As different from each other as possible, they are still a brotherhood ! (o^▽^o)

Pardon the tags I need exposure (๑•́ ₃ •̀๑) I hope you guys like it !

[chimerazodiac]

Hey correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't someone mention IN SUPERNATURAL how an ordinary nephilim being born would kill the human mother? Like I'm pretty sure Cas was telling Kelly that even if was a regular nephilim the chances of her surving the birth was low so there was no way she would survive the birth of nephilim sired by an ARCHANGEL. But if that's true, how Castiel and the rest of Ishim's Flight/Garrison truly believe Lily had birthed a nephilim and lived. Especially since it was also mentioned that strange things would happen closer to the birth (I distinctly remember that and I'm 90% certain that wasn't just for Jack but all nephilim, it would just be extreme for Jack). Like I get Ishim is a 'good' liar I guess? But are you telling me NO ONE, part of the flight/garrison or not, didn't think for a second that something wasn't adding up?

[diabolimeservavit666]

Supernatural in four screenshots.

Look at Sam's face y'all. *crying*

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

oh holy shit how am I just now putting together that the entire theme of the episode is healthy and unhealthy angel-human relationships? like we all know how Ishim/Lily is contrasted with Destiel but we also get Benjamin/his vessel. Like clearly they have the healthiest relationship because they've been together for centuries, whereas ishim/lily is v unhealthy, and destiel is caught in the middle, not friends, not foes, but some secret third thing (lovers)

[hellerism]

IN. the beautiful supernatural that is real and not censored by the ghostfacers effect dean sits directly in cas' lap in lily sunder and winds his arms around his neck and plays with his hair. half to bother ishim and half just because he wants to

[hexedwinchester]

Supernatural S04E20 The Rapture

Lol, why was Castiel's possession of Jimmy Novak so overdramatically done?

Sam using Demon blood right out of the flash! Yikes! That bad, huh honey?

and it's confirmed, Dean got the blue toothbrush from the two pack. I'm guessing being the big brother, he always called dibs

so Dean decided to put the blame of Jimmy getting away on Sam because?? I mean shouldn't it be on both??

The fact that Anna points out that Sam seems different I'm guessing the intake of demon blood does show on the surface. Remember how angels can see the true faces of demons? What if Sam's consumption has led to that?

Anna: Sam, you seem different.

Sam chuckles: me? I don't know. Maybe a haircut

Sweetheart, you haven't had a haircut since pilot, wtf are you talking about? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Interesting, Jimmy says Cas chose him because there's something special about him, something in his blood. The only other cas possession I've seen is that fair lady in the episode with that Ishim angel in Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets. Is it possible Jimmy is a direct descendant of her?

it's so sad to see Sam spewing the 'you don't get to have a family if you are a hunter' speech when once he wanted to start his own so badly

when did Claire say yes to Cas? I'm assuming she had to since angels can't possess without consent

that exact moment when Dean sees Sam drinking demon blood!!! 😍😍

yup it's confirmed, even for Cas and his vessel, it's a bloodline thing

i love how Sam stays out of Cas Dean drama 🤣

The fact Sam expects Dean to hit him is a very clear sign of someone who is abusive. Note that, apart from this his behaviour is unpredictable. Sam expects him to get mad, hit him but instead he acts calm, shows he is not a threat. He doesn't wanna control Sam's actions but it's far from the truth because when Bobby calls, you can see in the background that the panic room is already set up to take Sam a prisoner. I bet he called Bobby beforehand and got it set up. You can see the bed is made, a bucket is added. When they reach Bobby's, Sam is completely unaware of what's going to happen. He is trusting. He thinks Dean is disappointed but that's it. The shock on his face is genuine just before they lock him up. I'm telling ya, Dean is abusive

[spnmarchmadness]

Supernatural March Madness: Round 1, Match 10

2x21 Summary: Sam wakes in a ghost town with the other special children. While Dean & Bobby hunt for Sam, they discover a burnt down roadhouse. Yellow eyes reveals he's hosting a hunger games for the special children, one that Sam tries to opt out of before catching a knife in the back, just in time to die in Dean's arms.

12x10 Summary: Dean is pissed Cas killed Billie, bc it will have cosmic consequences. Meanwhile, an angel named Benjamin is in deep shit & Cas attempts to help him out, only to disover him dead. Cas meets up with Ishim (his old commander)- we get a flashback of hotgirlcastiel on an earth mission to kill an angel (Akobel) for Nephil crimes (with human Lily), which turns out to be a lie. Ishim had killed her child because he was obssessed with her. Ishim attempts to kill Dean & Cas, Lily & Sam stop him. Cas apologizes to Lily, saying he can't imagine her grief.

welcome to the how far would you go for your kid thunderdome.

[monstermoviedean]

i think there is a point where while the framing of dean and cas's relationship is frustrating, it's more indicative of like. the writers failing to understand dean and cas's relationship or a result of not hiring misha as a third lead for the show, so castiel comes off as extremely flaky and continues repeating his mistakes even when he says he'll do better.

basically we should all hope robbie thompson or steve yockey is the showrunner for a potential revival bc they seem to understand dean really well.

like while i Understand that these actions are consistent for castiel it also mostly feels like writers struggling to actually let him grow rather than entirely his fault?

like i've seen deancrit casgirls look at dean kicking out cas in the bunker and basically go "that's completely bullshit and out of character, i'm not gonna incorporate it into my understanding of dean as a character because that's very obviously the hand of the author preventing dean and cas from interacting while cas is a human, because it would be gay"

i kind of think that cas should be extended that same kind of grace in being like. the writers don't seem to see this as an issue and as a result even though it is one, it's hard to see a character grow when most writers dont seem to recognize it as a problem.

like steve yockey identifies it as an issue in lily sunder, when dean is mad/worried about cas the entire episode for making a call on his own (killing billie) but is still defending him from ishim. but berens doesn't seem to see it as a repeated problem in 15x09, so it's not brought up except as a snide comment from dean.

that being said i think castiel thinks of himself as disposable, so him using his love and devotion as a weapon to save dean is wonderful for him but ultimately devastating for dean, who has never viewed cas as replaceable.

like cas firmly believes that his emotions don't matter, that his feelings don't matter (his own insecurities and upbringing), so dean saying "no you do matter, of course you matter" is wonderful! but unfortunately he made the deal with the empty, and he probably realizes how bad he fucked up making that deal (it's claire and jimmy again, it's john and dean again, making a deal to save your child that dooms the people around you to grieve your loss)

it's just very very tragic, and sad. i wish supernatural was good.

sorry for rambling lmao.

it's a yes/and for me. yes, cas has to be off-screen a lot because of budgetary reasons, and the writers could have addressed that in different ways that made it seem less like cas being flaky. as for repeating his mistakes and not being able to grow, i think that's a separate issue, but a writer issue as well. there are ways to address cas repeating mistakes that don't blame dean for those mistakes.

i try to reserve my judgment of something as ooc to a few extreme situations. that's just my personal preference. i can think of a handful of actions across the show that are best-explained by ooc writing. dean telling cas he can't stay in 09x03 is not one of those. i don't like it, obviously, but i can see why dean did that and why it makes sense in his context.

i get what you're saying about extending grace to cas, and yes, writer actions are always at play here, but i try to view and interpret situations based on what is happening in the show itself. again, personal preference, and i don't always stick to that. but for me, if i only looked at everything through the lens of "writers made them do it," that wouldn't be very fun for me because yeah, writers made them do all of it and it's a work of fiction.

but extending grace to cas - i always try to extend grace to everyone. i really do. sometimes i fail! i get frustrated that i often see others extending grace to cas and intentionally withholding it from others who they don't think deserve it. it's a double standard i find aggravating.