#ishim supernatural

[lynlovesspn]

the fact that in 12x10 ishim says he’s going to “cure cas’s human weakness the same way he did his, by cutting it out” (his HUMAN WEAKNESS being lily, whom he was in love with), and then he WALKS OVER TO DEAN?? everyone knows but them i swear

[saturnneedsspace]

Rewatching 'Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets' is such an enlightening experience. The amount of Destiel in this episode is insane. What do you mean a few seasons prior Dean gets mad at Cas for "personal space" and then literally sits on him at the diner, and then also basically cusses out Ishim for mocking Cas? What do you mean Ishim says he'll cure Cas of his human weakness like he did his own, aka killing his human lover, and then charges Dean with an angel blade. And what do you mean Cas lays there, nearly dead, and Dean forfeits blasting away Ishim because there's just a chance it might kill Cas. (Even though I think Ishim's full of shit there because I don't think it really would've blown Cas away)

Not to mention the entire episode was them having marital disputes because of Cas killing Billie to save Dean and Dean's 2 favorite people, and then giving a heartfelt confession about how much they mean to him.

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

Cas: "Well it seems that some of my choices may need to be questioned."

wild that Destiel is the healthy relationship in this scenario

[melodyfsoul1]

Supernatural Angel Wings, Ishim

[myaimistrue]

uriel appears in multiple season 4 episodes and one season 5 episode in a different vessel. he's the funniest angel in the garrison and one of the first to betray his brothers and sisters when lucifer returns. ishim appears in the fan favorite 12x10 "lily sunder has some regrets." a former commander of castiel and other angels, he spends his time on screen attempting to escape lily sunder's vengeance. which of these humanity hating angels will come out on top?

link to the masterpost

[heliotrope155]

Something I find intriguing about the angels in Supernatural is that so many of them have disdain for humans and the vessels they're "forced" to take, but when it comes to their conversations with each other, their lobotomies, their heavenly-based discussions, and meetings they don't take on their true forms any of the times we get access to, or speak largely in Enochian. Part of me thinks that's some kind meta thing for the human audience watching to avoid blowing out their eyes (kind of like Dean's censored swearing in the Ghostfacers), or maybe it's unreasonably difficult in this day and age to find a good consenting vessel, or perhaps deep down they're all in built with a strange liking for humans, and once they adopt a vessel there's a group consensus that everyone should just stay in it.

[throwupgirl]

[silver-stake-through-the-heart]

Lily Sunder's problem is that she's too normal to meddle with angels. She liked Ishim until she realized how unwordly and inhuman he is.

Ishim: Oh. What have you done? I shared all of our secrets with you, taught you all of our ways for your precious studies. I… I loved you.

Lily: You didn't love me. You were obsessed with me. That isn't love.

Ishim: I loved you. You threw me away for him.

She's seing love in a very human way (which is… normal, since she's human). But obsession and/or devotion is actually the way angels show their attachement.

(And being as close as physically possible.)

Meanwhile:

Cas gives up everything, kills tons of enemies and starts random apocalypses every season or so FOR Dean and Dean is all "Maybe he likes me" while every supernatural entity around are "there is something going on between them". They also have this tendency to stand on each other (personal space? they don't know her).

Adam (The First) and Seraphina are this insufferable (affectionate), touchy-feeling couple, linked to the hips… since thousands of years.

Then you have Adam and Michael, Benjamin and his vessel, literally sharing the same body and having none intention of going on separate ways (separate ways being going one inch away from each other).

[luulapants]

ROUND 1: Ishim vs Sam Winchester

[reboot-of-humanity]

I present to you Raphaël, Spine, Madeleine, Jeanne, Niels and Anael!

As different from each other as possible, they are still a brotherhood ! (o^▽^o)

Pardon the tags I need exposure (๑•́ ₃ •̀๑) I hope you guys like it !

[chimerazodiac]

Hey correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't someone mention IN SUPERNATURAL how an ordinary nephilim being born would kill the human mother? Like I'm pretty sure Cas was telling Kelly that even if was a regular nephilim the chances of her surving the birth was low so there was no way she would survive the birth of nephilim sired by an ARCHANGEL. But if that's true, how Castiel and the rest of Ishim's Flight/Garrison truly believe Lily had birthed a nephilim and lived. Especially since it was also mentioned that strange things would happen closer to the birth (I distinctly remember that and I'm 90% certain that wasn't just for Jack but all nephilim, it would just be extreme for Jack). Like I get Ishim is a 'good' liar I guess? But are you telling me NO ONE, part of the flight/garrison or not, didn't think for a second that something wasn't adding up?

[hellerism]

IN. the beautiful supernatural that is real and not censored by the ghostfacers effect dean sits directly in cas' lap in lily sunder and winds his arms around his neck and plays with his hair. half to bother ishim and half just because he wants to

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

oh holy shit how am I just now putting together that the entire theme of the episode is healthy and unhealthy angel-human relationships? like we all know how Ishim/Lily is contrasted with Destiel but we also get Benjamin/his vessel. Like clearly they have the healthiest relationship because they've been together for centuries, whereas ishim/lily is v unhealthy, and destiel is caught in the middle, not friends, not foes, but some secret third thing (lovers)

[hexedwinchester]

Supernatural S04E20 The Rapture

Lol, why was Castiel's possession of Jimmy Novak so overdramatically done?

Sam using Demon blood right out of the flash! Yikes! That bad, huh honey?

and it's confirmed, Dean got the blue toothbrush from the two pack. I'm guessing being the big brother, he always called dibs

so Dean decided to put the blame of Jimmy getting away on Sam because?? I mean shouldn't it be on both??

The fact that Anna points out that Sam seems different I'm guessing the intake of demon blood does show on the surface. Remember how angels can see the true faces of demons? What if Sam's consumption has led to that?

Anna: Sam, you seem different.

Sam chuckles: me? I don't know. Maybe a haircut

Sweetheart, you haven't had a haircut since pilot, wtf are you talking about? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Interesting, Jimmy says Cas chose him because there's something special about him, something in his blood. The only other cas possession I've seen is that fair lady in the episode with that Ishim angel in Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets. Is it possible Jimmy is a direct descendant of her?

it's so sad to see Sam spewing the 'you don't get to have a family if you are a hunter' speech when once he wanted to start his own so badly

when did Claire say yes to Cas? I'm assuming she had to since angels can't possess without consent

that exact moment when Dean sees Sam drinking demon blood!!! 😍😍

yup it's confirmed, even for Cas and his vessel, it's a bloodline thing

i love how Sam stays out of Cas Dean drama 🤣

The fact Sam expects Dean to hit him is a very clear sign of someone who is abusive. Note that, apart from this his behaviour is unpredictable. Sam expects him to get mad, hit him but instead he acts calm, shows he is not a threat. He doesn't wanna control Sam's actions but it's far from the truth because when Bobby calls, you can see in the background that the panic room is already set up to take Sam a prisoner. I bet he called Bobby beforehand and got it set up. You can see the bed is made, a bucket is added. When they reach Bobby's, Sam is completely unaware of what's going to happen. He is trusting. He thinks Dean is disappointed but that's it. The shock on his face is genuine just before they lock him up. I'm telling ya, Dean is abusive

[ananke-xiii]

i think that the idea that all angels are overly obedient little unquestioning soldiers comes from the visuals we get of the people they tend to possess. in a way, angels seem to have a type, lol.

it's interesting to see it the opposite way.

even if there are quite a lot of exceptions, the people who seem to be more easily manipulated by angels are the nuclear family-office-employee types. people who need to wear suits to go to work. people who are used to corporate-style management. people who are used to the idea of having a boss. people who SEEK power (the vessels of Castiel, Uriel, Zachariah, Bartholomew, Naomi, Rachel, Hester, the majority of the "grunt-like" angels seem to fall into this category)

but these are not necessarily angel-like traits. they are traits that angels need and use to con their way around consent. it's either that or the true-vessel thing was severely underthought. and i like to think it was not.

on the other hand, if angels are such a military-minded family how come we don't see one (1) soldier possessed by an angel with the notable exception of s13 where either all angels possess people in the military or just civilians wearing military gear (or a bit of both). i don't think it's explored how angels get their vessels in that season but it's sort of funny to visually see angels as soldiers after 9 seasons from their introduction.

let's compare it with s9: now, demons don't need consent but i still find it interesting that the writers went out of their way and showed us how demons usually possess not exactly random people (remember the grandma) but a VARIETY of people, while Abaddon make them change meatsuits. She wants war so she gets soldiers. The parallels between how Abaddon recruits her people and how the angel recruit theirs is quite fascinating but it was unfortunately stopped there.

Some angel-exceptions: notably, Gadreel and his bartender guy who told him yes twice; Malachi the anarchist and his thug-like gang; the church ladies and the bikers; the farmer-like guy and the grief counselor woman from s9e1. the angel who tortured Gadreel and Abner whose "angel turned rockstar" storyline was robbed by Lucifer. Lucifer himself has a different taste than most angels until he realizes or maybe remembers how good it feels to be worshipped and he goes bigger and bigger until he cons the president of the united states who could've been a real buddy boylisit. Balthazar, Gabriel and Raphael's vessels are a bit more of a mystery. I'd like to know more about Metatron's, lol.

In S12 Ishim's garrison's vessels seem to share the same style of clothes as opposed to Akobel. I can't say anything about XIX century fashion but Ishim&co's vessels seemed to be doing well financially and maybe belonged to the same class or group.

I don't know where I'm going with this, lol, but there's such a similar yet different resemblance with Leviathan Dick Roman in that Leviathans ARE the real apex of the supernatural food-chain and, once the narrative had decided to forget about them, angels sort of incorporated their traits but with a huuuuge difference: net of the resemblance of their vessels/victims, Leviathans seem to be more "upper middle class gone big during the opulent, cocaine-fueled 80s in American Dream America" while angels are more like "Italian Guelphs and Ghibellines families fighting over secular vs temporal power during the Middle Ages".

Angels are not just soldiers, nor C-level management: they're the power that comes from blood, the aristocratic kind, the kind that takes what it wants because it never really knew opposition nor has ever cared about it. these are NOT people who seek power, these are people born IN it. well, not people. Angels. Anyway. THIS, this is showed a lot in how all angels act, regardless of their vessels.

[spnmarchmadness]

Supernatural March Madness: Round 1, Match 10

2x21 Summary: Sam wakes in a ghost town with the other special children. While Dean & Bobby hunt for Sam, they discover a burnt down roadhouse. Yellow eyes reveals he's hosting a hunger games for the special children, one that Sam tries to opt out of before catching a knife in the back, just in time to die in Dean's arms.

12x10 Summary: Dean is pissed Cas killed Billie, bc it will have cosmic consequences. Meanwhile, an angel named Benjamin is in deep shit & Cas attempts to help him out, only to disover him dead. Cas meets up with Ishim (his old commander)- we get a flashback of hotgirlcastiel on an earth mission to kill an angel (Akobel) for Nephil crimes (with human Lily), which turns out to be a lie. Ishim had killed her child because he was obssessed with her. Ishim attempts to kill Dean & Cas, Lily & Sam stop him. Cas apologizes to Lily, saying he can't imagine her grief.

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