#iphianassa

[sarafangirlart]

Danaë in her tower

Sometimes her prison is an underground chamber (which is probably the version y’all are familiar with) but I like the one with the tower bc it ties her to Rapunzel, ever since I’ve realized their commonalities I’ve been thinking about them lol

I like to think Danaë took up several hobbies to pass the time much like Rapunzel, but unlike Rapunzel, she actually remembers her life before her imprisonment and misses her friends, the girls she’s playing with in the fresco are her cousins Nyctaea and Iphianassa.

[katerinaaqu]

You mentioned this in a post reply that made me remember I meant to ask (as always, just point me if you have already spoken about this): opinion on Agamemnon and Clytemnestra's daughtes?

In the Iliad I seem to remember three daughters are mentioned, Iphianassa, Laodice and Chrysothemis, while in the plays they are usually Iphigenia, Electra and Chrysothemis (bless her unchanging name).

Do you identify Iphianassa as Iphigenia and Laodice as Electra? Or do you prefer them being all different people?

So often female names (not only here) are conflated, recording people probably didn't care enough about them to be precise about it :(

I think mentioning Iphianassa in the Iliad (in the context of being offered in marriage to Achilles) suggests that in that early tradition the sacrifice of one of Agamemnon's daughter had not been added to the canon, both because Iphianassa could be the same of Iphigenia and thus still alive and because offering a daughter in marriage to Achilles after the last time he was 'bethroted' to one ended up being a sham would be tactless to say the least (and Achilles is just so sensitive about honor and pride).

Plus there is that Iliad line listing the throne passing from Atreus to Thyestes to Aga without mentioning the horrors™️, which with Iphianassa being alive could mean at that point of the traditions Agamemnon was just a commander and not the last scion of an extremely cursed royal line.

...unless Homer is alluding stuff that the audience is already supposed to know and offering another daughter to Achilles was meant to make up for that whole fiasco (unmentioned in the Iliad)?

The notes on my Iliad say that the 'embassy to Achilles' chapter may even be a slightly later addition (like possibly the night raid chapter) since later part of the story proceeds like it didn't happen, so this all is speculative squared ahah

Yes I have had a talk with @emmikay in fact on one of my posts about contradicting sources and you can see my reply here:

But the subject is always fascinating!!!!

As I mention to that reply of mine, it is hard to tell whether we speak for example on Iphianassa as the same person as Iphigenia or if it is a different daughter that kinda got lost as a version in the centuries and eventually the two names were used interchangeably for the same person. It is also possible, as I mentioned to that reply of mine, that Agamemnon is insinuating the substitution of his daughter with a fawn as a homeric tradition thus if "Iphianassa" and "Iphigenia" are one and the same person then Agamemnon insinuates a "happy ending" to the tragedy of Iphigenia and her sacrifice (as I mentioned to my reply and that Agamemnon Analysis, the essence of Agamemnon lashing out to Calchas seems to be indicating that Aulis incident is a homeric tradition given how Agamemnon doesn't fully elaborate as to why Calchas "never had a good prediction for him" as opposed to the idea of later on suggesting the marriage of Achilles to "Iphianassa"

Iphianassa seems to be simply an old variation of the name "Iphigenia" given how similar the names are (as opposed to "Laodice" for example) and both seem to be insinuating her noble birth as "Iphi" stands for "strong" (Another character in mythology that has it is for example Heracles's brother Iphicles) and "anassa" means "queen" while "genia" implies "bloodline" so she is named either "Strong Queen" or "Of strong Bloodline". Either way the names seem to be similar so it does seem at times that it is a variant of the same name, although the actual possibility of that being the name of another daughter of Agamemnon seems to be on the table I would lean more towards the first idea, that it is a variation or alternative (one can even blame the metric system in Homer that required the syllables of the name to fit his metric poem) given the lack of sources indicating otherwise.

Frazer for instance supports the idea that Homer didn't know the sacrifice tradition yet or doesn't quote it (explaining the existence of the betrothal with Iphianassa in the Iliad) or that the name Electra was unknown to him but I disagree with the first mainly because of the passage that as I said Agamemnon claims in distress that Calchas always has a bad prophecy for him. It is the second part that I am mostly intrigued by. As to whether Laodice and Electra are the same person or if they are two different traditions. Given how "Laodice" translates roughly as "people's judgement" seems pretty royal name to give. Whilst "Electra" simply means "Amber" or "Of amber color"

I am actually taking a leap here but I feel like Laodice was the name given to her at birth but "Electra" was a nickname given to her because of the color of her eyes or hair or both, pretty similar how Neoptolemus is nicknamed such ("new warrior" or "new conqueror") by Phoenix. In my brain it creates a fine parallel between Achilles and Agamemnon through their children, how their children have a different name by birth and got known later on by another. Of course I have no actual proof on this but it also seems to me like a parallel with Electra's tragedy as well given how Electra brings "justice" or "judgement" upon Clytemnestra later on.

Actually...no offense but I kinda am not fond of this interpretation dunno why, when we always say "they didn't care for female characters thus the names change" because honestly I think it is unfair. We have unchanging or relatively steady names of main female characters in mythology (Helen, Clytemnestra, Penelope, Chrysothemis etc) while others change depending on tradition, local names or history etc. With the same logic why aren't we promoting more that mythology "hates men" when out of the 108 suitors of Penelope only around 20 are named in the Odyssey and out of the 600 men of Odysseus only a handful are named or why aren't we speaking on "erasure of humanity" of characters that their name allegedly changed such as Lygiron being Achilles's original name or Alcides of Heracles etc. I understand of course where the idea and the interpretation comes from but honestly in a world of myths where women play a deuteragonistic role we often see names change indeed but so we do with men who are oftentimes not named at all when they play deuteragonistic role or their origins are misread or misinterpreted or confused or oftentimes is hard to tell who is who (Like Eurybates in Iliad and in Odyssey being unclear if he is the same person or different etc) Hehehe sorry parenthesis closed! back to the original point! -that is just me interpreting it by the way. It doesn't need to be more correct than the interpretation you give, it is just that it is my opinion in regards to the matter that we do not need to see "erasure of women" everywhere. Just that deuteragonists in a story often are indeed not steady or omitted unfortunately-

Anyways moving on; For the line of Atreus and Thyestes not implying the violence in the whole thing seems to me very similar to how the violence of the downfall of Tydeus is not touched in Homer. Tydeus's cannibalism which was the reson of his doom was never mentioned in Homer. If anything Tydeus is being praised throughout the poem and compared with his son. Similarly the way the line of succession between Agamemnon and Thyestes is not mentioned or touched upon can mean to me

It is not directly related to the story and potentially already known and spoken tradition that doesn't require much explaining

Creates character realism, given how the last thing Agamemnon or any of his peers would need would be to mention a story of betrayal and cannibalism before the army.

As you state later, Homer could easily be citing events that most of his readers and listeners already knew too well or were at least familiar with, so he didn't feel the need to elaborate further. The second is that it seems natural for the characters who aim for glory not to mention the least glorifying things of their past because the point would be for the heroes to be seen in battle as they are now and in one way the way that Iliad seems to be creating the pattern of "glorious men that try to reach and surpass the glory of their families" doesn't correspond with the monstrous details of their pasts. But also as I said their past or family lines are not directly linked to the story so they are not given much mention. For example the mention of the coup Hera made IS made mention in the Iliad because it was important for the pleading Thetis made to Zeus.

Of course the possibility any of these traditions not being part of Homeric story and lore or even not be invented till later on is always on the table but personally I like to think that a large number of these were rejected because the story didn't call for them and they had different focus.

Honestly if I had a dime every time we had a theory about this or that part of Homer being "later addition" or "being written by a different writer" came out I would be rich! Hahahaha jokes aside though even if it is valid critisism and a very valid point I kinda do not align with it. Maybe I am too biased with Homer or my own idea that Homer is one writer and that the poem seeming seamless to me but still I am not sure why would that prove the "later adition" thing. Many events in Homer do appear and then they are not mentioned again because they are not relevant to the next parts of the story. See for example the obvious strong bond created between Telemachus and Nestor's son Peisistratus which was mentioned thoroughly during the trip in Telemacheia and never was mentioned again Telemachus mentions his trip to Pylos but never mentions "I made a friend along the way" because it was not THAT strongly relevant to the story which was the purpose of Telemachus being on a cognitive trip to find information on his father. We also do not see much on Helen mentioning the horse ever again even if that seems to be critical to the story of Troy, it is not directly linked to the Odyssey or the messages it wanted to pass. The fight with Irus is not mentioned again in the Odyssey as if it never happened even if it was also another clear event that Odysseus proved his strength and was one of the first steps towards recognition with the suitors etc. The events that are directly mentioned on are usually the ones directly linked to the story (for example Polyphemus, Circe, Calypso etc or in Iliad the taking of Briseis, the wounding of certain heroes or the killing of others and the fear of the people related to them)

Certain events in the Iliad and the Odyssey are being mentioned before (see for example how Diomedes and Odysseus and Agamemnon are wounded in later rhapsodies after rhapsody 11 because their wounds are actually relevant to the story and the way it moves at that spot) as opposed to the one failed attempt to bring Achilles to battle at first. It doesn't seem to be offering any news to the story if Odysseus came out and said "here we are again to you Achilles" given how the reader and viewer already knows that we have an embassy or rather the attempt to give gifts to Achilles when Achilles lets go of his anger free of charge to Agamemnon.

But I agree it is all speculative given the lack of any other information apart from readings and speculations of other writers and scholiasts (ancient or contemporary) which is why the mystery behind the identity or lack of it of Homer is still on and open for discussion.

Hahahaha gosh this got massively long! Hahaha I am sorry! I would love to hear some of your thoughts onto mine! ^_^

[deathlessathanasia]

The Names of Agamemnon’s Daughters and the Death of Iphigenia – SENTENTIAE ANTIQUAE

[evancordelia]

I was cursed to think about Clytemnestra too much (alt under cut)

[resolart]

witchtober week 2 - sea witch 🌊🐚🌙

[whencyclopedia]

Agamemnon (Person)

Agamemnon was the legendary king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek army in the Trojan War of Homer's Illiad. Agamemnon is a great warrior but also a selfish ruler who famously upset his invincible champion Achilles, a feud that prolonged the war and suffering of his men.

Agamemnon is a hero from Greek mythology but there are no historical records of a Mycenaean king of that name. The Greek city was a prosperous one in the Bronze Age, and there perhaps was a real, albeit much shorter, Greek-led attack on Troy. Both these propositions are supported by archaeological evidence. Unfortunately, though, the famous gold mask found in a shaft grave at Mycenae and widely known as the 'Mask of Agamemnon' is dated up to 400 years before any possible Agamemnon candidate that fits a chronology of the Trojan War.

Agamemnon's Family

Agamemnon was the son of Atreus, or perhaps grandson, in which case his father was Pleisthenes. His mother was Aerope, from Crete which provided a handy link between the Mycenaean civilization of the Greek Peloponnese and the earlier Minoan civilization of Bronze Age Crete. He was married to Clytemnestra with whom he had three daughters. In one version these are Chrysothemis, Laodice and Iphianassa while in other, later versions they are Chrysothemis, Electra and Iphigeneia. Agamemnon was the brother of Menelaos, king of Sparta.

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[atreyucannamos]

Like okay, I was in a really terrible mood last night. I have to look on the bright side once in a while, right? And on that note, guess who heads up the Noble Arts syllabus, and who yours truly gets to study under?

It's only Lord Castor-Eyros, Second Herald of the House of Smoke - one of my favourite authors! I have read every single one of his books cover-to-cover at least twice, and it got me through some really dark periods in my life.

They say a lot of things, like "authors don't necessarily make good teachers," and "don't meet your heroes" but I feel like neither apply to him. He's just effortlessly charming, and while he never talks down to you, I feel like he always explains even the most complex concepts in language you can just immediately grasp.

I thought Noble Arts would be the easiest for me, but I was mistaken. I'm really understanding what people mean when they say Kavaliers aren't just "good pilots," they're an ideal. A Kavalier is meant to be able to dominate the field of battle in any chassis they choose, then compose a six-stanza poem about it to ensure that when the history books are written, future generations will smile upon the necessity of the battle and the nobility of the cause.

And the College does not consider the Noble Arts a "soft subject." I'm expected to be just as conversant in Low Passacaglian history and transgenic flower hybridisation as I am in field-stripping my mech's leg assembly or the correct procedure for flanking an entrenched enemy. It's a good thing that Lord Castor is such an excellent teacher, because they are not fucking around.

Stablemaster Imani Rudilis heads up the Technical Syllabus, and I gotta hand it to the College, they really do choose only the best tutors. Mx. Rudilis is clear, concise, and you can tell that this is a subject they have genuine passion for. I understood the inner workings of a mech on a theoretical level before - now I feel like I'm starting to understand them in practice.

I'm actually finding Technical the easiest right now. Everything kind of fits together, and even really diverse topics have some relationship to what we've already learned. Like the Stablemaster says, a mech is holistic - there's no such thing as a non-essential component. Designers are constantly trying to shave down tonnages, remove points of failure, streamline the fuselage; Imani is a designer themself, and you can tell they prefer functional silhouettes over ornate frippery. I respect that.

Underbaron Iphianassa... surprised me. I mean, I've heard about her - I don't think there's a single child on Khayradin who hasn't. She's been fighting in wars for almost as long as military mechs have existed. She recognised me, too. As a member of the House of Stone, I expected she'd have the same contempt for me as the rest do - but she doesn't treat me any different to any other student. She knows my Republican leanings, and probably my opinion on her title "Hero of the Ludran Fields," but that doesn't seem to matter.

That's not to say she's going easy on me - I don't think this woman has ever been easy on anyone. Classes are... brisk. We're not just expected to pick things up quickly, we're expected to master them by the end of the day. I think Tactical is gonna be the most challenging syllabus for me. Actual combat scenarios are way different to anything I was trained on before - that was just one-on-one duels in a fast, close-quarters skirmishing frame.

I have also... met some fellow students? And by "met," I mean I've accidentally gotten them dragged into my shitty personal issues. I probably shouldn't talk about them on a public journal. They don't deserve the kind of negative attention I'd bring down on them. But they're a team with me now, whether they like it or not, Passions help all four of them.

[karrakincavalrycollege]

Meet the Staff of the KCC:

Underbaron Iphianassa Geneia Akrita Di Khayradi, Hero of the Ludran Fields is a heroic war veteran who has agreed to act as the Head of our Tactical Syllabus here at the Karrakin Cavalry College! With her strong and skillful guidance she helps to teach the next generation of Kavaliers!

Just remember everyone, do not worry about the location she carried out her military service in, and do not add the term "Salmonfingers" to her title!

(Portrait by Ares Bor)

[theodysseyofhomer]

imo agamemnon does get villainized in the popular culture, but that's about making him out to be more evil than his peers in the trojan war, when his crimes in the iliad are pretty much on average — iphigenia/iphianassa is alive in the iliad, anyhow — and the conflict between agamemnon and achilles is fundamentally not moral and doesn't have a villain. but in the oresteia, where agammenon did sacrifice iphigenia, someone who enjoys clytemnestra murdering him isn't villainizing agamemnon; they just don't like him. or maybe they like clytemnestra more, for whatever reason. or maybe they just delight in the spectacle of revenge. that doesn't mean they lack reading comprehension.

[holy-mother-of-whumpers]

Me writing in the fic: ...then Ektor put Odysseus in a leash and ordered him to crawl at his feet 3:)

Me wiring in the notes: *adjust prof glasses* so here's a timeline of the distance between the Bronze Age Collapse, setting of the Iliad, and the written version, to prove that Achaeans and ancient Greek people, post Doric invasion, were two completely different ethnicities.

Plus I'm going to use an almost-direct transliteration of the Greek text for the names 'cause screw the Brits (sorry actual Brits, I lived in Ireland for a while and it stuck).

And to mess with everyone even more, I'll let you all know that in the text of the Iliad Iphigenia (Iphianassa) is still alive so all that sacrifice business is just a posterior angsty prequel/sequel.

Me back on the fic: ...and then Odysseus begged him to be spared, kinkily :]

"Blorbo from my shows" no. Blorbo from my BA. Blorbo from my major. Blorbo from my primary source document.

[aster-aspera]

Can't believe Iphigenia and Iphianassa are the same person, but Eteocles and Eteoclus are two different guys

[very-grownup]

Then Agamemnon, lord of men, replied, "Old sir, you are not wrong when you describe all my delusional behavior. I was deluded. I do not deny it. A man whom Zeus particularly loves is worth a multitude of other men. So now the god has glorified that man, by ruining the army of the Greeks. I know I was deluded when I yielded to my destructive impulse. So I want to make amends with lavish gifts of friendship. I shall enumerate for all of you my generous and splendid gifts to him. Seven new tripods and ten pounds of gold, twenty bright cauldrons and twelve racehorses, strong stallions whose speed has won great prizes. Their winnings by themselves would make a man wealthy in treasure, rich in glorious gold. And I will also give him seven women, skillful in all the crafts, brought here from Lesbos when he himself destroyed their well-built home. I chose them as my trophies from the spoilers because they conquered every other woman in beauty. With these others, I will give the one I took away from him -- Briseis. And I shall swear a mighty oath, declaring that I have never gone to bed with her as is the normal way for men and women. I shall give him all this immediately; and in the future, if the gods allow us to sack and spoil the mighty town of Priam, when we Greek warriors divide the loot, let him pile high his ship with gold and bronze, then choose another twenty Trojan women, whichever are the very most attractive, only surpassed in looks by Argive Helen. And if we ever reach the land of Argos, the teat that feeds the earth, he shall become my son-in-law and I will cherish him just as I do my own dear son Oretes, raised up in luxury and dearly loved. I also have three daughters in my house, inside my well-built hall - Chrysothemis, Iphianassa, and Laodice. Let him choose one of them and take her back without a bride-price to his father's house. And I will give him lavish wedding gifts, such as no father ever gave his daughter. And I shall give him seven well-built towns -- Cardamyle, Enope, grassy Hire, the pasturelands of Anthea and sacred Pherae and Pedasus, where vines grow thick, and beautiful Aepea. All these lands are by the sea and close to sandy Pylos. The people there are rich in sheep and cattle. They will make offerings and honor him as if he were a god. Beneath his scepter they will fulfill his laws and pay rich dues. And I shall give him this if he gives up his anger. Let him bow down and submit. Hades will not submit or be persuaded, and therefore Hades is the god most hated by mortals. Let Achilles bow before me, because I have more power as a leader, and I am proud to be the older man."

- The Iliad, translated by Emily Wilson

[a-waterphoenix]

NO NO NO NO BUT HE LITERALLY DOES AND I’M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THETIS TAKING HIM TO SKYROS

In the Iliad, it doesn’t seem like many people actually KNOW Achilles has a choice between fighting and dying a hero or living his days out in obscurity and peace. When Agaemennon sends an envoy to get Achilles back, they not only promise to return Briseis back, NOT ONLY to give him all the riches they’ve been plundering (which includes women cause misogyny), but they ALSO promise to give him rewards AFTER the war:

- “All these things will he give you now down, and if hereafter the gods vouchsafe him to sack the city of Priam, you can come when we Achaeans are dividing the spoil, and load your ship with gold and bronze to your liking. You can take twenty Trojan women, the loveliest after Helen herself. Then, when we reach Achaean Argos, wealthiest of all lands, you shall be his son-in-law, and he will show you like honour with his own dear son Orestes, who is being nurtured in all abundance. Agamemnon has three daughters, Chrysothemis, Laodice, and Iphianassa; you may take the one of your choice, freely and without gifts of wooing, to the house of Peleus; he will add such dower to boot as no man ever yet gave his daughter, and will give you seven well-established cities, Cardamyle, Enope, and Hire where there is grass; holy Pheras and the rich meadows of Anthea; Aepea also, and the vine-clad slopes of Pedasus, all near the sea, and on the borders of sandy Pylos. ”

You don’t promise rewards to someone if that person won’t live to see them, and I doubt that they’re trying to gaslight Achilles into forgetting his imminent death if he returns to being a glorious fighter. In this conversation, Achilles is the only one that knows that this war is, at least materially, worthless. When he’s dead, he will not wear the armour of the countless men he’s slain. When he’s dead, he will not have the countless women from the cities he’s sacked. The only good this war is to him is in terms of gaining glory, and by god has he got that. Prior to Briseis being forcibly taken from him, he is a model warrior. For his skill at battle and his commitment to fighting in the face of impending doom, he is revered by everyone. Greece loves him. Troy fears him. Christ, even the Olympians - not just Gods, Olympians - endorse him. When Agaemennon takes Briseis, it’s the first time he and his reputation are openly insulted. His initial reaction might not be interpreted as too much of an overreaction, especially because a) Agaemennon literally displeased a god and had to pay and b) NO OTHER WARRIOR ever got their women shimmied off to serve someone unless they got defeated and killed, but his reaction to full out refuse Agaemennon’s apology definitely seems to be, especially when Agaemennon is literally bending over backwards to get him back. He elaborates why, in the classic Homer style of “the characters speak their feelings”, which gives some more explanation to why he’s being so stubborn.

“Why, pray, must the Argives needs fight the Trojans? What made the son of Atreus gather the host and bring them? Was it not for the sake of Helen? Are the sons of Atreus the only men in the world who love their wives? Any man of common right feeling will love and cherish her who is his own, as I this woman, with my whole heart, though she was but a fruitling of my spear. Agamemnon has taken her from me; he has played me false; I know him; let him tempt me no further, for he shall not move me.”

He isn’t just mad that Briseis has been taken, or that Agaemennon was such a jerk, or even the slight itself. He is mad, because he has served Agaemennon in a certainly fatal war that he -unlike the men who swore an oath to fight - doesn’t need to be in all for the sake of being a respected hero. He is mad because his father, his country, his SON have been lost to him for eleven years and he will never return to them. He is mad because he willingly chose to die for glory, and during his fight with Agaemennon, his glory did not protect the ones he loved. He isn’t just nursing wounds to his ego - he is questioning his underlying goal to gain a place in history now that he sees how little it actually means for him, and he has come up with an answer:

“If great Neptune vouchsafes me a fair passage, in three days I shall be in Phthia. I have much there that I left behind me when I came here to my sorrow, and I shall bring back still further store of gold, of red copper, of fair women, and of iron, my share of the spoils that we have taken; but one prize, he who gave has insolently taken away”

In the Song Of Achilles, Achilles is still consumed by his (and his mom’s) desire to be revered and celebrated like a god, but in the original Iliad? He wants to go home. Right now, he is cutting his losses to save his life and his own chance at joy because being a hero didn’t help him. And he would have gone home, would have ruled his father’s kingdom, would have married, would have had children, and would have died a peaceful death in bed, if Patroclus hadn’t died.

Patroclus, who he has known from his very boyhood. Patroclus, who has followed Achilles wherever fate takes him. Patroclus, who ran to him weeping like he had never seem when the Greeks where under siege. Patroclus, whose safety he thought was guaranteed by his prayers to the gods who’d always answered him. Patroclus, who should’ve been protected by his armour and his sacrifices. Patroclus, whose corpse came back stripped after a god helped Hector kill him.

When Briseis was taken from him, Achilles realized he was fighting for nothing. When Patroclus was taken from him, Achilles had nothing left to lose.

See if I was Achilles I would have simply chosen to grow old and eat bread with my gay lover instead of going off to war where it was foretold i would die. But that’s just me

[whencyclopedia]

Agamemnon (Person)

Agamemnon was the legendary king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek army in the Trojan War of Homer's Illiad. Agamemnon is a great warrior but also a selfish ruler who famously upset his invincible champion Achilles, a feud that prolonged the war and suffering of his men.

Agamemnon is a hero from Greek mythology but there are no historical records of a Mycenaean king of that name. The Greek city was a prosperous one in the Bronze Age, and there perhaps was a real, albeit much shorter, Greek-led attack on Troy. Both these propositions are supported by archaeological evidence. Unfortunately, though, the famous gold mask found in a shaft grave at Mycenae and widely known as the 'Mask of Agamemnon' is dated up to 400 years before any possible Agamemnon candidate that fits a chronology of the Trojan War.

Agamemnon's Family

Agamemnon was the son of Atreus, or perhaps grandson, in which case his father was Pleisthenes. His mother was Aerope, from Crete which provided a handy link between the Mycenaean civilization of the Greek Peloponnese and the earlier Minoan civilization of Bronze Age Crete. He was married to Clytemnestra with whom he had three daughters. In one version these are Chrysothemis, Laodice and Iphianassa while in other, later versions they are Chrysothemis, Electra and Iphigeneia. Agamemnon was the brother of Menelaos, king of Sparta.

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[karrakincavalrycollege]

Reminder that use of the term "Salmonfingers" to refer to decorated war veteran and respected staff member Underbaron Iphianassa Geneia Akrita Di Khayradi, Hero of the Ludran Fields is against the rules of the Karrakin Cavalry College and is considered HIGHLY disrespectful.

[holy-mother-of-whumpers]

Why didn't I make a thread of this before? -> noob

"Iphianassa. You can be a heroine, like the best of us gathered" - Odysseus pinned her with the full intensity of his gaze.

"Step away from my daughter" - Clytemnestra rose, furious. - "Keep your honeyed poisonous words away from her!"

Update!