#iphianassa

[sarafangirlart]

Danaë in her tower

Sometimes her prison is an underground chamber (which is probably the version y’all are familiar with) but I like the one with the tower bc it ties her to Rapunzel, ever since I’ve realized their commonalities I’ve been thinking about them lol

I like to think Danaë took up several hobbies to pass the time much like Rapunzel, but unlike Rapunzel, she actually remembers her life before her imprisonment and misses her friends, the girls she’s playing with in the fresco are her cousins Nyctaea and Iphianassa.

[deathlessathanasia]

The Names of Agamemnon’s Daughters and the Death of Iphigenia – SENTENTIAE ANTIQUAE

[evancordelia]

I was cursed to think about Clytemnestra too much (alt under cut)

[resolart]

witchtober week 2 - sea witch 🌊🐚🌙

[whencyclopedia]

Agamemnon (Person)

Agamemnon was the legendary king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek army in the Trojan War of Homer's Illiad. Agamemnon is a great warrior but also a selfish ruler who famously upset his invincible champion Achilles, a feud that prolonged the war and suffering of his men.

Agamemnon is a hero from Greek mythology but there are no historical records of a Mycenaean king of that name. The Greek city was a prosperous one in the Bronze Age, and there perhaps was a real, albeit much shorter, Greek-led attack on Troy. Both these propositions are supported by archaeological evidence. Unfortunately, though, the famous gold mask found in a shaft grave at Mycenae and widely known as the 'Mask of Agamemnon' is dated up to 400 years before any possible Agamemnon candidate that fits a chronology of the Trojan War.

Agamemnon's Family

Agamemnon was the son of Atreus, or perhaps grandson, in which case his father was Pleisthenes. His mother was Aerope, from Crete which provided a handy link between the Mycenaean civilization of the Greek Peloponnese and the earlier Minoan civilization of Bronze Age Crete. He was married to Clytemnestra with whom he had three daughters. In one version these are Chrysothemis, Laodice and Iphianassa while in other, later versions they are Chrysothemis, Electra and Iphigeneia. Agamemnon was the brother of Menelaos, king of Sparta.

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[theodysseyofhomer]

imo agamemnon does get villainized in the popular culture, but that's about making him out to be more evil than his peers in the trojan war, when his crimes in the iliad are pretty much on average — iphigenia/iphianassa is alive in the iliad, anyhow — and the conflict between agamemnon and achilles is fundamentally not moral and doesn't have a villain. but in the oresteia, where agammenon did sacrifice iphigenia, someone who enjoys clytemnestra murdering him isn't villainizing agamemnon; they just don't like him. or maybe they like clytemnestra more, for whatever reason. or maybe they just delight in the spectacle of revenge. that doesn't mean they lack reading comprehension.

[karrakincavalrycollege]

Reminder that use of the term "Salmonfingers" to refer to decorated war veteran and respected staff member Underbaron Iphianassa Geneia Akrita Di Khayradi, Hero of the Ludran Fields is against the rules of the Karrakin Cavalry College and is considered HIGHLY disrespectful.

[littlesparklight]

Some thoughts on Iphigenia's sacrifice and the Iliad...

The Iliad obviously suppresses that it happened - I don't actually think one can categorically say it didn't happen in the Iliad's presumed version of things. Partially because unlike some other things that get presented differently if not outright denied that they happened at all (Troilus, say), the Iliad speaks, mostly, from silence on this matter. Probably because the topic/situation isn't fitting with the tone it wants to take, and it will, no matter what one tack one takes with Agamemnon for it, have implications for him.

But

I'd say it still happened, because Agamemnon's attack on Calchas sets Calchas' prophecies as being specifically "evil" TO HIM, as a precedent for the new "evil" Calchas has spoken involving Chryseis. Sure, you could go with that he's presenting the whole war in general and thus Calchas' reading of the snake-and-sparrows omen as specifically aimed to bring grief, personally, to Agamemnon, but again... Wouldn't it be more reasonable that Agamemnon is referencing, in the most briefest and vaguest manner possible, an actual prophecy of "evil" that led to personal grief and evil for Agamemnon?

(And I don't think Agamemnon's accounting for his daughters as possible wives for Achilles say anything. He's counting up the alive ones, since, whatever the name of the daughter sacrificed (the Catalogue of Women, after all, uses "Iphimede", which is neither Iphianassa nor Iphigenia), she's certainly not available for marriage either way.

[fcb4]

Just read the text, forget the biased commentary that’s bent on interpreting everything through the current cultural lens.

The Iliad Book IX: “Should you relent Agamemnon offers you noble gifts. Listen and I will say what Agamemnon promises: seven tripods, unmarked by the flames; ten talents of gold; twenty gleaming cauldrons, and twelve strong horses, prize-winners for their speed. A man with the wealth they have won for him would not lack gold and riches. And he will give seven women, skilled in fine needle-craft, whom he chose as spoil for their surpassing beauty, on the day when Achilles took Lesbos. And one shall be her whom he took from you, that daughter of Briseus. He shall give you his solemn oath that he never took her to bed, never slept with her, as men are wont, great prince, to do with women. All these things shall straight away be yours; and if the gods grant we sack this great city of Priam, enter when we Greeks divide the spoils, and load your ship with gold and bronze, and pick the twenty loveliest women after Argive Helen. And if we return to Achaean Argos, finest of lands, you shall be a son to him, and he’ll honour you like his dear son Orestes, who is reared there among its riches. Three daughters he has too, in his noble palace, Chrysothemis, Laodice, and Iphianassa. You shall lead whichever you wish to Peleus’ house, without bride-price, and he will add a dowry, greater than any man yet gave with a daughter.

The Iliad Book IX “And deep in his well-built lodge Achilles slept with the woman he brought from Lesbos, Phorbas' daughter, Diomede in all her beauty sleeping by his side. And over across from him Patroclus slept with the sashed and lovely Iphis by his side, whom Prince Achilles gave him the day he took the heights of Scyros, Enyeus' rocky stronghold.”

[holy-mother-of-whumpers]

Me writing in the fic: ...then Ektor put Odysseus in a leash and ordered him to crawl at his feet 3:)

Me wiring in the notes: *adjust prof glasses* so here's a timeline of the distance between the Bronze Age Collapse, setting of the Iliad, and the written version, to prove that Achaeans and ancient Greek people, post Doric invasion, were two completely different ethnicities.

Plus I'm going to use an almost-direct transliteration of the Greek text for the names 'cause screw the Brits (sorry actual Brits, I lived in Ireland for a while and it stuck).

And to mess with everyone even more, I'll let you all know that in the text of the Iliad Iphigenia (Iphianassa) is still alive so all that sacrifice business is just a posterior angsty prequel/sequel.

Me back on the fic: ...and then Odysseus begged him to be spared, kinkily :]

"Blorbo from my shows" no. Blorbo from my BA. Blorbo from my major. Blorbo from my primary source document.

[very-grownup]

Then Agamemnon, lord of men, replied, "Old sir, you are not wrong when you describe all my delusional behavior. I was deluded. I do not deny it. A man whom Zeus particularly loves is worth a multitude of other men. So now the god has glorified that man, by ruining the army of the Greeks. I know I was deluded when I yielded to my destructive impulse. So I want to make amends with lavish gifts of friendship. I shall enumerate for all of you my generous and splendid gifts to him. Seven new tripods and ten pounds of gold, twenty bright cauldrons and twelve racehorses, strong stallions whose speed has won great prizes. Their winnings by themselves would make a man wealthy in treasure, rich in glorious gold. And I will also give him seven women, skillful in all the crafts, brought here from Lesbos when he himself destroyed their well-built home. I chose them as my trophies from the spoilers because they conquered every other woman in beauty. With these others, I will give the one I took away from him -- Briseis. And I shall swear a mighty oath, declaring that I have never gone to bed with her as is the normal way for men and women. I shall give him all this immediately; and in the future, if the gods allow us to sack and spoil the mighty town of Priam, when we Greek warriors divide the loot, let him pile high his ship with gold and bronze, then choose another twenty Trojan women, whichever are the very most attractive, only surpassed in looks by Argive Helen. And if we ever reach the land of Argos, the teat that feeds the earth, he shall become my son-in-law and I will cherish him just as I do my own dear son Oretes, raised up in luxury and dearly loved. I also have three daughters in my house, inside my well-built hall - Chrysothemis, Iphianassa, and Laodice. Let him choose one of them and take her back without a bride-price to his father's house. And I will give him lavish wedding gifts, such as no father ever gave his daughter. And I shall give him seven well-built towns -- Cardamyle, Enope, grassy Hire, the pasturelands of Anthea and sacred Pherae and Pedasus, where vines grow thick, and beautiful Aepea. All these lands are by the sea and close to sandy Pylos. The people there are rich in sheep and cattle. They will make offerings and honor him as if he were a god. Beneath his scepter they will fulfill his laws and pay rich dues. And I shall give him this if he gives up his anger. Let him bow down and submit. Hades will not submit or be persuaded, and therefore Hades is the god most hated by mortals. Let Achilles bow before me, because I have more power as a leader, and I am proud to be the older man."

- The Iliad, translated by Emily Wilson

[a-waterphoenix]

NO NO NO NO BUT HE LITERALLY DOES AND I’M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THETIS TAKING HIM TO SKYROS

In the Iliad, it doesn’t seem like many people actually KNOW Achilles has a choice between fighting and dying a hero or living his days out in obscurity and peace. When Agaemennon sends an envoy to get Achilles back, they not only promise to return Briseis back, NOT ONLY to give him all the riches they’ve been plundering (which includes women cause misogyny), but they ALSO promise to give him rewards AFTER the war:

- “All these things will he give you now down, and if hereafter the gods vouchsafe him to sack the city of Priam, you can come when we Achaeans are dividing the spoil, and load your ship with gold and bronze to your liking. You can take twenty Trojan women, the loveliest after Helen herself. Then, when we reach Achaean Argos, wealthiest of all lands, you shall be his son-in-law, and he will show you like honour with his own dear son Orestes, who is being nurtured in all abundance. Agamemnon has three daughters, Chrysothemis, Laodice, and Iphianassa; you may take the one of your choice, freely and without gifts of wooing, to the house of Peleus; he will add such dower to boot as no man ever yet gave his daughter, and will give you seven well-established cities, Cardamyle, Enope, and Hire where there is grass; holy Pheras and the rich meadows of Anthea; Aepea also, and the vine-clad slopes of Pedasus, all near the sea, and on the borders of sandy Pylos. ”

You don’t promise rewards to someone if that person won’t live to see them, and I doubt that they’re trying to gaslight Achilles into forgetting his imminent death if he returns to being a glorious fighter. In this conversation, Achilles is the only one that knows that this war is, at least materially, worthless. When he’s dead, he will not wear the armour of the countless men he’s slain. When he’s dead, he will not have the countless women from the cities he’s sacked. The only good this war is to him is in terms of gaining glory, and by god has he got that. Prior to Briseis being forcibly taken from him, he is a model warrior. For his skill at battle and his commitment to fighting in the face of impending doom, he is revered by everyone. Greece loves him. Troy fears him. Christ, even the Olympians - not just Gods, Olympians - endorse him. When Agaemennon takes Briseis, it’s the first time he and his reputation are openly insulted. His initial reaction might not be interpreted as too much of an overreaction, especially because a) Agaemennon literally displeased a god and had to pay and b) NO OTHER WARRIOR ever got their women shimmied off to serve someone unless they got defeated and killed, but his reaction to full out refuse Agaemennon’s apology definitely seems to be, especially when Agaemennon is literally bending over backwards to get him back. He elaborates why, in the classic Homer style of “the characters speak their feelings”, which gives some more explanation to why he’s being so stubborn.

“Why, pray, must the Argives needs fight the Trojans? What made the son of Atreus gather the host and bring them? Was it not for the sake of Helen? Are the sons of Atreus the only men in the world who love their wives? Any man of common right feeling will love and cherish her who is his own, as I this woman, with my whole heart, though she was but a fruitling of my spear. Agamemnon has taken her from me; he has played me false; I know him; let him tempt me no further, for he shall not move me.”

He isn’t just mad that Briseis has been taken, or that Agaemennon was such a jerk, or even the slight itself. He is mad, because he has served Agaemennon in a certainly fatal war that he -unlike the men who swore an oath to fight - doesn’t need to be in all for the sake of being a respected hero. He is mad because his father, his country, his SON have been lost to him for eleven years and he will never return to them. He is mad because he willingly chose to die for glory, and during his fight with Agaemennon, his glory did not protect the ones he loved. He isn’t just nursing wounds to his ego - he is questioning his underlying goal to gain a place in history now that he sees how little it actually means for him, and he has come up with an answer:

“If great Neptune vouchsafes me a fair passage, in three days I shall be in Phthia. I have much there that I left behind me when I came here to my sorrow, and I shall bring back still further store of gold, of red copper, of fair women, and of iron, my share of the spoils that we have taken; but one prize, he who gave has insolently taken away”

In the Song Of Achilles, Achilles is still consumed by his (and his mom’s) desire to be revered and celebrated like a god, but in the original Iliad? He wants to go home. Right now, he is cutting his losses to save his life and his own chance at joy because being a hero didn’t help him. And he would have gone home, would have ruled his father’s kingdom, would have married, would have had children, and would have died a peaceful death in bed, if Patroclus hadn’t died.

Patroclus, who he has known from his very boyhood. Patroclus, who has followed Achilles wherever fate takes him. Patroclus, who ran to him weeping like he had never seem when the Greeks where under siege. Patroclus, whose safety he thought was guaranteed by his prayers to the gods who’d always answered him. Patroclus, who should’ve been protected by his armour and his sacrifices. Patroclus, whose corpse came back stripped after a god helped Hector kill him.

When Briseis was taken from him, Achilles realized he was fighting for nothing. When Patroclus was taken from him, Achilles had nothing left to lose.

See if I was Achilles I would have simply chosen to grow old and eat bread with my gay lover instead of going off to war where it was foretold i would die. But that’s just me

[whencyclopedia]

Agamemnon (Person)

Agamemnon was the legendary king of Mycenae and leader of the Greek army in the Trojan War of Homer's Illiad. Agamemnon is a great warrior but also a selfish ruler who famously upset his invincible champion Achilles, a feud that prolonged the war and suffering of his men.

Agamemnon is a hero from Greek mythology but there are no historical records of a Mycenaean king of that name. The Greek city was a prosperous one in the Bronze Age, and there perhaps was a real, albeit much shorter, Greek-led attack on Troy. Both these propositions are supported by archaeological evidence. Unfortunately, though, the famous gold mask found in a shaft grave at Mycenae and widely known as the 'Mask of Agamemnon' is dated up to 400 years before any possible Agamemnon candidate that fits a chronology of the Trojan War.

Agamemnon's Family

Agamemnon was the son of Atreus, or perhaps grandson, in which case his father was Pleisthenes. His mother was Aerope, from Crete which provided a handy link between the Mycenaean civilization of the Greek Peloponnese and the earlier Minoan civilization of Bronze Age Crete. He was married to Clytemnestra with whom he had three daughters. In one version these are Chrysothemis, Laodice and Iphianassa while in other, later versions they are Chrysothemis, Electra and Iphigeneia. Agamemnon was the brother of Menelaos, king of Sparta.

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[resolart]

drawtober week 4: bewitched bog 🌊🖤✨

[karrakincavalrycollege]

ok ok look I'm not a rebel sympathizer but I AM curious as to the full titles of the headmaster

The current head of our academy is Archchancellor Baroness Sigune Zoeva of House Calyx, but given the context of recent comments, the ungrateful agitator was likely talking about the head of our Tactical Syllabus Underbaron Iphianassa Geneia Akrita Di Khayradi, Hero of the Ludran Fields.

[holy-mother-of-whumpers]

Why didn't I make a thread of this before? -> noob

"Iphianassa. You can be a heroine, like the best of us gathered" - Odysseus pinned her with the full intensity of his gaze.

"Step away from my daughter" - Clytemnestra rose, furious. - "Keep your honeyed poisonous words away from her!"

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