#information about the timeline

[fazbearsecuritycrew]

Jeremy was the first host chosen by Glitchtrap to try and brainwash. He was already in a vulnerable state after Mike’s death, but what really tipped him over the edge was Glitchtrap’s influence, the equivalent of ongoing psychological torment. The only place he could really seek reprieve from it was while playtesting the game- so Jeremy spent long hours in the testing room with the visor strapped to his head, standing and staring at nothing. 

This was all while Glitchtrap would try to gain further access to his mind by whispering sweet nothings in his ear, an influence that wouldn’t really work thanks to the residual effects from The Gift of Life. He experiences a nervous breakdown that lands him in the hospital for a few days after an incident with a paper cutter, and it’s after having the influence removed that Jeremy sort of snaps out of the state he’s in. While the doctors write it off as him being disassociated thanks to extreme stress, Jeremy almost immediately realizes that the past couple of weeks haven’t been like him at all. Even if Glitchtrap wasn’t able to obtain full control of his body, he messed with Jeremy’s mind enough that he had him acting completely out of character. Jeremy is initially very ashamed of this, but he’s more thankful than anything to finally be back in his right mind. 

Jeremy will eventually find a new job, and have a new life, and be perfectly content away from the franchise forever, all that remaining being a series of scars. 

[rochenn]

Watching Andor with my parents. Mom (professional Star Wars hater) is so fucking into it. My dad took one look at Cassian just to say "wow I sure remember Obi-Wan differently" and keeps referring to Luthen as "Bootstrap Bill"

[rickybaby]

Daniel featured on COTA promotional posters around Austin, Texas | October 2024

[puppetmaster13u]

Prompt 80

 So Dan knows that there’s heroes that have gone back in time, he’s aware of that fact. But he doesn’t exactly care and has more important things to worry about. Like the fact that Danny and Ellie are now three years old, right when he’s moving, though maybe that’s a blessing in disguise seeing as the GIW are searching for them in Amity. 

  But still, he has more important things to worry about than the speedster vibrating five feet away from him. Like making sure Ellie and Danny are alright to visit (ugh) Peepaw Clocky while he goes to work. 

  Ms. Mercy is not messing around, which he appreciates in a workspace, but he has to wait for another opening in the daycare before he can bring his, as far as everyone else is aware, siblings who he got emergency custody of. 

  What with how Jazz is interning in Gotham, they figured Metropolis would be safer. Now if the speedster would stop following him, he would really appreciate it. He’s literally just an intern under Ms Mercy as an assistant, not even one of the scientists, and it’s not like his timeline of the end of the world exists anymore! 

[swiiivet-screamathon]

"Hey-hey-hey-hey Pure Vanillaaaaa??? Why is Shadow Milk here???"

"Hm? Oh, I wanted to give him a chance through a method he might be comfortable with."

"Excuse me??? You let him follow us???"

"We needed to return home, we've spent far too long away, but I know that leaving him to simmer in the pot for however long we'll be away from Beast-Yeast was just going to get him to sour even more. I meant every word I told him at the end, I want to be his friend, but that can only happen if he does as well."

"So you put the entire kingdom in jeopardy for that insane clown!?"

"We beat him once when he was on his home turf and with his compatriots, as long as I keep an eye on him I don't assume much can go wrong for long."

"Do you not think that might still be a bit risky?"

"I'm not sure if you've considered this Wizard, but I think its worthwhile to remember that he chose to follow us. He could've left Beast-Yeast the moment he was set free, and yet he didn't. He could've left to meet up with his other beast friends at any point, and yet he didn't. And according to his companions his experience with me specifically is one of a kind for him. We never invited him to come along, we never even told him where we were going, and now he chooses to leave his former tower? I might be gullible to him, but knowing him as well as I do, I think that's enough evidence for me to think that he's not followed us purely to enact revenge."

"At least its comforting to know you've thought this through at all; but it still seems like the idea of a madman! Is there no safer way at all to-- ourgh, befriend--- him?"

"Perhaps, who's to say sharing his mindscape for so long didn't make me a madman either. I simply cannot help but not be the one to ostracize him, whenever he's ready he can come talk, but I won't treat him unequally."

"Well-- not that I think you would, but if anything goes haywire-- thats on your shoulders! AND his!"

"Of course, I never considered that I wouldn't be responsible for him. :)"

[vikanightlightcomic]

Dark Cream Week 2025

Day 7 THE END

Shattered Dream by @galacii-gallery

Cross Sans by @jakei95

Dark Cream week by @zu-is-here

[ds-sparrow-manufacturing-co]

everything we know about host!vic’s childhood

(a sisyphean attempt to figure out what the fuck their backstory is)

will this make complete sense? no! absolutely not! and it’ll probably change in two weeks time! but i have thoughts and i am announcing them via megaphone

also for ease i’m referring to them as ‘the host’ rather than ‘host!vic’ for the remainder of this post

the host’s birth family

we know the host was at one point raised by both their parents. were they together? god knows. at some point, their father abandons them/the family and moves to miami, leaving the host and their twin sister katie behind. it’s likely this happens when the host is 7 or younger, as they spend a large amount of time with their grandfather and nana from that age onwards.

when the host is 12, they’re still living with their mother and katie, who doesn’t come to their birthday party, implying that at this time either their father hasn’t left yet or, my belief, that their grandfather and nana are taking partial custody of the twins (well, it’s probably more that their mother is kinda just leaving them there for days at a time)

on the topic of the grandparents: we know the host had a grandfather (bill) who was married to their biological grandmother, who died before the host was born. bill then marries nana. the host also mentions their grandmother on their other side, who apparently takes a lot of cruises.

based on all of this, i believe bill & nana are the host’s maternal grandparents, and their unnamed grandmother is their paternal grandmother. this would suggest that they still had some contact with their father’s side of the family after he abandoned them, although considering she’s always on a cruise she may be avoiding the host and/or their family.

at some point after the host’s 12th birthday, their mother abandons(?) them and katie, and the two live with bill and nana for an undetermined amount of time. somewhat soon after this - when the twins are still young enough not to be safe home alone for too long - nana abandons them for four days, leading to bill divorcing her.

after this… we don’t know a ton. katie and the host grow apart, and as katie mentions their father abandoning them but not their mother it’s likely that she reconnected with their mother at some point. at some point so does the host, although they clearly still have a very strained relationship with their mother considering she refused to come to their birthday.

at some point, bill dies and his entire inheritance goes to nana. this isn’t super important to the timeline but depending on when this happens, it might explain their obsession with money as a power symbol. also the hayes steele thing. in my mind those two are connected but that’s up for interpretation.

as the host is apparently set to be the sole person organising nana’s funeral, it’s likely this was true for bill’s as well. we don’t know how old they were when bill died, but given katie’s absence from the funeral planning it could be assumed that she’s living with their mother at this point while the host is/was living with bill?

so, in summary, my best attempt to figure out the timeline is as follows: the host’s parents split up when the host and katie are around 7, and the two are left in the care of their mother, who regularly leaves them with their grandfather and nana. the host and katie grow apart, and around the age of 12 their mother leaves for a long period. during this time, nana leaves the two home alone for four days, leading to her divorce from the twins’ grandfather. their mother returns, and katie goes to live with her, while the host stays with their grandfather (who may be the only healthy adult in this whole family).

bonus thoughts:

if you subscribe to the idea that the host and the bianca were childhood friends (which i do), they presumably met after the host’s 12th birthday considering she didn’t attend it. this… doesn’t really make the david situation any less fucked up

it’s obvious katie was the golden child, and based on her having been a popular girl and the ‘nerd alert’ thing from nana it’s pretty easy to guess that nana encouraged the two fighting/katie bullying the host (something that their father also seemed to encourage, if we take the sippy cup story from augbert as fact)

[flying-mochis]

I just finished the Silmarillion so now it's time for me to loose my mind trying to discern the timeline changes in Rings of Power

mostly I was trying to figure out which "war" it was that Celeborn went missing in

but first I wanted to ground myself by figuring out when Finrod died- except that also isn't clear...

This is a very long, unedited stream of consciousness post, so I'll put it under Keep Reading. I also didn't really fact check any of this just going off my recent memory of just reading the Silmarillion so- If I got stuff wrong...woops

TLDR: Though Finrod originally dies in the Silmarillian during the Beren and Luthien, I think the RoP writers have changed his death to be sometime after the defeat of Morgoth as he's hunting Sauron. I think Celeborn went missing sometime before Finrod died, either in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad (before the Fall of Doriath) or in the War of Wrath (the final defeat of Morgoth). Ultimately who knows but I'm excited to see what they do :)

In the Silmarillian, Finrod dies around late year 400 in the 1st Age protecting Beren in Of Beren and Luthien. He is killed by Sauron, as Sauron throws them in like a pit of death thingy.

but in Rings of Power, when Galadriel is giving exposition in the beginning, she basically says 'Then Morgoth was drafted, but Sauron continued to cause problems, and my brother vowed to hunt him down, then he died.' So it sounds like RoP Finrod survived the War of Wrath against Morgoth, but then died hunting Sauron afterwards.

This change would call into question how the events of Beren and Luthien played out in the RoP timeline- I guess it's not necessary for Finrod to die into order for that story to still have worked? Like maybe Luthien saved both of them or maybe Finrod never went with them. But...Part of the fall of Doriath in Hurin getting Finrods fancy necklace from Mim the dwarf after he's taken over Finrod's Kingdome in his absence- so if Finrod survived up to the fall of Doriath and past that- how would that work? I'm sure it could, there are ways to work around it so the story can still play out with those changes- or maybe they changed more major parts of the story like the fall of Doriath! That would be bold but not out of the question.

Maybe it's also possible that Finrod did still die during the Beren and Luthien story but that just happened after the defeat of Morgoth? IDK if that makes sense, because then how would Thingol have gotten the silmarill that leads to the fall of Doriath and all that stuff with Earendil and Elwing-? that has a lot more continuity changes so less likely.

Ok, moving on from Finrod. His death is at least canon from the Silmarillion, but Celeborn going missing is not. Or at least, it isn't mentioned. But one thing about Galadriel and Celeborn is that they were retconned into the story after most of the Silmarillion was written, so their presence it is extremely spotty and sometime inconsistent. It's basically mentioned that they fall in love when Galadriel and her brothers go to Doriath and she stays with him in Doriath while Finrod finds his kingdom, Nargothrond. Then she's mentioned talking to Melian like once after that right before the Dagor Bragollach (one time Morgoth surprise attacks a bunch of elf cities) and then...They basically disappear for the rest of the book until it starts talking about the rings of power in the 2nd Age-

So...There's already a lot of missing spots in there story. That's one of the reasons I think it's cool they made Galadriel a protagonist in RoP, because what she's doing in those times is very vague, though more so in the 1st Age than the 2nd- but her character could still shed some light on what she was doing then- Especially when Celeborn is introduced, cuz that's gonna require some background explanations.

So that's all just to provide the context that there is barely any context for what those two were doing before RoP takes place.

Another note about possible timelines for Celeborn going missing is its relation to Finrod's death. This is not confirmed, but I've always worked with the assumption that Celeborn went missing before Finrod died. This is based on some factors- such as Galadriel's seemingly more cheery nature when she calls him a "silver clam" before he goes off to battle---This doesn't sound like the traumatized, hardened Galadriel we know from her response to Finrod's death. Also, as other's have pointed out, if Finrod had died before Celeborn went to war and Galadriel had already become a warrior, why wouldn't she have gone to war with Celeborn? It's possible they were just going to different locations, but I don't think she would chide him to not join the fight is she was also doing so.

Running with that assumption- If Finrod did die saving Beren as he did in the Silmarillion, that means Celeborn would've gone missing in some battle before then, maybe the Dagor Bagollach. This would mean he would have missed out all everything with Beren and Luthien, everything with Turin, and everything else with the fall of Doriath at the hands of dwarfs and elves. Which I think would be a shame. There is still conflict in having missed out on a significant tragedy, but I think having him witness all those tragedies would be more interesting- and his bitterness towards dwarfs would be more understandable if he was physically there to witness their betrayal and slaughter of his people.

As I've said, its possible and probably likely that they'll change it so Finrod died much later, and this is another one for my reasons for thinking that. Aside from the other plot holes that creates, Finrod dying after the defeat of Morgoth opens up to possibilities for which battle Celeborn went missing in, so I'll continue with that assumption.

So, let's start with what Rings of Power canon we know. Not a lot, but in Celeborn's one mention in season 1, Galadriel says "When he went to [the War], I chided him." So he didn't go missing on some personal quest or whatever, he specifically went off to fight in "the war". One issue this raises is that Celeborn is from Doriath, and Doriath doesn't give a fuck. Doriath does not send any of its people off to any battles in the Silmarillion until it starts falling apart. The closest we get to Doriath elves fighting is when they hunt down the dwarves that killed Thingol and then defend themselves from the dwarves and the sons of Feanor.

One way to get around this could be making it so Celeborn and Galadriel left Doriath at some point to operate on their own. Maybe they went to live with Finrod in Nargothrond (I think it is mentioned that Galadriel stayed with Finrod there for a while, but Celeborn isn't mentioned? And I don't remember if that's in the Silmarillion or one of the unfinished tales- which are more subject to flexible canon). In which case, Celeborn could've gone off with Finrod to one of the battles- This is an interesting idea as it could show Galadriel and Celeborn being more independent and maybe dissenting from Thingol after his sus decisions with Beren and Luthien. The next battle after that story would be the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, the unsuccessful battle with Morgoth right before the Fall of Doriath. The problem with him going missing in that battle, again, would be him missing out on all the drama of the Fall of Doriath.

The second explanation for Celeborn going to war would be that he goes to fight after the Fall of Doriath. It makes sense that he would be more willing to fight after seeing the destruction of his people, even if that wasn't directly at the hands of Morgoth. Galadriel's joking disposition may not make as much sense in a setting after her husband home was destroyed and his family was slaughtered- but maybe everything still felt lighter back then as long as they were together. The most likely battle he went missing in after that would then be the War of Wrath itself, the final defeat of Morgoth.

Another possibility is he went missing during the Fall of Doriath, but that wasn't much of war as it was a siege, and I feel like Galadriel would have at least tried to help out in some way in those circumstances.

Overall, the two most likely battles I see him going missing in are the Nirnaeth Arnoediad (the 2nd to last attack on Morgoth) or the War of Wrath (the final defeat of Morgoth). The Nirnaeth Arnoediad, or some earlier battle, may make more sense for Galadriel to not go Celeborn as they hadn't experienced the tragic loss of Doriath yet, but I guess the same could be said for her not going with Finrod later.

I think I prefer him at least surviving up to the War of Wrath, as that means he was around to see the Fall of Doriath, and experience all the ~fun~ trauma of that, which is one of the things that could make him more unique as a character.

There is also the question of if Celebrian is even born yet and if so, where she is. As Galadriel and Celeborn's lives are so vague in the first two ages, so is Celebrian, their daughter. I don't think we know for sure when she was born, but I believe it is mentioned in Unfinished Tales that Celebrian was alive and with them by the time they first went to Eregion. Obviously much has changed as neither Celeborn nor Celebrian were present for the fall of Eregion in Rings of Power.

Personally, I don't believe Celebrian is even born yet in RoP. As other have pointed out, Galadriel starts the series as one who has lost everything, one who has no ties and nothing left to lose. This is fundamental to her hunt of Sauron and her eventual fall to the manipulation of Sauron. It doesn't track that she would be doing all this while she has a living and present daughter to worry about or keep her grounded. It's possible both Celeborn and Celebrian are missing. I feel like should would have mentioned that to Theo when she told him about Celeborn, but she's also managed to only mention her supposedly dead husband once in 16 episodes, so clearly she's a master at putting those particular traumas in boxes to never be spoken of. I feel like having both of them be missing to show up later would be a bit too cluttered and it'd be smoother to just say she isn't born yet, but anything's possible.

I'm pretty sure the "canon" about Celebrian being born before the fall of Eregion is from Unfinished Tales anyway? Which I think of as more like a draft of Tolkien's ideas for the family, not canon in the sense of the SIlmarillion or the published stories.

Lots of "canon" falls apart around Galadriel and her family as they were added in so late and Tolkien seemed to die before writing his "final" story for them. And this is an adaptation, they aren't meant to follow "canon" like the gospel anyway, as we've seen. As I've said, the very lack of solid story around Galadriel and her families experiences through the first two ages is more exciting than anything, as it leaves so much room for the writers to get creative them and write a thrilling story that we haven't seen before. This is a chance to shine light on characters that fall under the status of "unfinished" in Tolkien ever-changing world, such as Celeborn. The only "canon" (Silmarillion) information we have on Celeborn for the 1st and 2nd Age is that he lived in Doriath during the 1st Age, he was somehow related to Thingol and later Nimloth, and he and Galadriel were in love. There's other supplementary, unpublished notes that either expand on these traits or straight up contradict them.

Based on letters nearing his death, Tolkien was clearly still thinking of how Galadriel's families story could go, but as he never "finished" with them, if such a thing is even possible, we'll never get that "canon" story from him. So it's up to us- or, in this case, it's up to the writers of the Rings of Power. So we'll see!

Wow, that was a long-winded way to say "I dunno"

[lucabyte]

transfem loop + siffrin... you agree

i does agree.... i does in fact ... write a 7k word essay on the subject..... if you would like to perhaps click that link and read it if you were not already aware...... kisses u on the forehead......... sorry its that long but i had to cover all of my bases you know how it is with textual analysis when you're trying to draw a distinction between "headcanon" and "reading of the text" because those are different things.... to meeeeeeee.......

[friedwizardwhispers]

One dark thought I had is that if the Cheng Xiaoshi we are watching in the Bridon arc die at the end of said arc, At least our season 1/2 Cheng Xiaoshi will get the information we get in the Bridon arc without actually putting his life in danger by going there ?

Because as someone pointed out, either this is our Cheng Xiaoshi and whatever information they get in London is inconsequential enough to get to season 1 or Cheng Xiaoshi die and Lu Guang is the only one with said information so he would have to tell ours when he figures it out.

[fazbearsecuritycrew]

What happens to Gregory after SB

After escaping by the skin of his teeth, Gregory pretty much still has nowhere to go. Since he's in charge of managing the location, Matthew catches wind of this situation pretty fast, and becomes increasingly horrified after finding out a homeless boy was pretty much camping out in the establishment for weeks. Considering this was after The Kid granted him forgiveness, he's no longer as wary around children as he used to be, but Matthew still has no experience raising children since he never had any of his own. Still, he almost feels like his brother sent him Gregory, that he's supposed to watch over him, so he's taken in as a foster child, and now Greg has a stable, loving home ❤️

[princescar]

I 1000% prefer this over how she got mikan to fall for despair in Dr3 (honestly it feels like this was what was supposed to be how it went)

(Extra context: it's Junko's (and by extension Mukuro's, which is why she has an option in the first pic) birthday.)

[thomas-the-goat-of-satan]

I miss when Yellowjackets wasn't scared of itself.

[starlight-eclipsed]

Hello again!

I come with more questions about LU Doppelgänger!

First off, what is going on with Twilight and Legato? We know that Twilight and Legend are fairly close in Linked Universe due to their lost love trauma session but Twilight and Legato don’t really spend much time together in the series. Legend even mentions it in Like a Rag Doll—Legato and Twilight just don’t interact much—but we also know that Twilight considers Legato a younger brother and tries his best to look out for the “younger” hero when he can (fire pit incident, herding them in Legend’s era). So I am really curious to know how Twilight came to view Legato as a younger brother and their relationship after Legato takes the blow for him!

There is also the possibility that Twilight was thinking about Colin instead of Legato in that moment too.

I have another batch of heroes that I am curious to know their views on Legato over the course of the series and in the final work! Mainly Sky, Wind, and Hyrule! I think I can puzzle out some of the other heroes thoughts in the last work:

I’m curious about Sky because he was really going through it in this version of the Sunset arc but was holding himself together because it would be a mistake to act rashly so I really wanna known how he is dealing in the wind down (and then the subsequent wind up with seeing a Legend statue). He doesn’t know Legato that well but he does know Legend pretty well at this point so seeing Legend panic over the implications of the statue is definitely going to be his main focus in the last work before Legato comes in with his revelations.

Wind is another interesting perspective because he’s really been the only hero invested in unraveling the timeline and he now has new data of another timeline split so I’m wondering how he’s dealing with that knowledge. There’s also probably a comfort or increased camaraderie between the two since they’re the alternate (not mainline successors). He also figures out more than he says so I’m always curious to know what he’s thinking about. He probably won’t come up with any theories until the shock of everything wears off though.

Hyrule is also going through it during that last work because he just got the news that he and Legato are both Legend’s successors so he’s having a day. He was just going to explore this kingdom but manages to run into an exact statue replica of his predecessor and then said predecessor has a freak out about it. Then the friend whose place you are in comes back and lore dumps so hard it changes what you know of your history. I don’t think he’s going through it as hard as Legend but he really is having a weird day. Anyway that’s why I’m curious about what going on in his head!

I’m pretty sure Warriors is going through the last work just constantly mentally updating his Legato fact sheet. He was upset about not knowing enough about Legato and now he has to know all of that but he’s probably doing his best to keep everyone calm while waiting for Legato to come back. Part of me thinks he’s the one who made a noise when Legato admitted to not considering anywhere he had a home since he was kind of fixated on it in his Like a Rag Doll chapter but I can easily image Four, Wind, or Legend making it too. Not sure how he feels about the numerous timelines though? It’s not directly relevant to him given how he’s not a downfall hero but his entire adventure involved people from different times showing up in his era so there’s definitely interest in timelines on a purely information gathering need.

I think Wild is probably getting stabbed a bit in the chest during the last work because Legato’s life definitely isn’t all sunshine and rainbows like he’s portrayed it as. The fact that Legato doesn’t have a home really is also probably that knife because Wild is the hero from after the Calamity but he still managed to make a home in it. The fact that Legato no longer considers anywhere home must make him feel worse about his words back then. Legato might have forgiven him but Wild is going to remember his mistakes. Honestly don’t think he cares about the timeline thing but does Wild know that the Trị-Force grants wishes? I don’t know if thats a mechanic in BOTW? It could be archived somewhere in the royal library pre-Calamity and Zelda might now but not sure if Wild would.

Not sure how accurate some of my character reads are but this is my best guess on what everyone was going through on last 2 works!

Hello!!

In short: Twilight took one look at the younger heroes at the start of this quest and immediately adopted them. Legato and Legend are correct in the sense that Twilight hasn't spent very long with Legato, but haven't accounted for the fact that Legato is small and cute. It's all over the minute that Legato realizes that Twilight can be convinced to let him get away with anything.

(One of the epilogue fics for the series is called "Puppy Dog Eyes", and features Twilight trying to spend quality time with Legato.)

Overall, Twilight does see things that remind him of Colin in Legato, but for the record he is aware of their differences--especially considering how Legato handled his injury and has been acting throughout the quest so far.

Regarding your thoughts on their reactions:

Sky: Yeah, he is immediately focused on how Legato and Legend are acting regarding this, but afterwards he will be thinking about the whole matter of legacy. All the heroes he's traveling with seem to be connected to each other, with the exception of Four and himself. But now being faced with evidence of what Legend will leave behind, Sky is definitely giving his hand in founding the kingdom some serious thought.

Wind...I'll hold off on saying too much since that's a topic for a future fic, but he's definitely comparing Legato's situation to that of himself.

Hyrule: Oh he's going though it. Mostly because--despite what Legato said about being from an alternate timeline--Hyrule is mentally sorting through what he knows of ancient history and is trying to figure out where Legato would fit in. Specifically, he's wondering how much time is between Legato and Legend.

Warriors: Is brainstorming methods to kidnap keep Legato at the end of this quest. He can handle the timeline revelations, but Legato just basically admitted to being a kid living alone with zero adults that have his best interest at heart. So yeah, Warriors is operating on the logic that when the divine Triforce yeets a child at you to give them a home, that kid's family now.

You got Wild's reaction nailed down, so I'll just elaborate: yeah he's trying to figure out what the whole deal with the Triforce is without getting the reaction Sky did with the "who's Ganon" debacle. It doesn't help that everyone seems to have very different experiences with it :b

[devilbeez]

Headcannon collection #8

Fnaf/other franchises with complicated lore in twst

So because Yuu/Mc is from another universe I think it’s only natural that there will be questions like “hey what is popular in your world?” Or “what was your favorite story from your universe?” and at first Yuu would genuinely answer the fandom they like and tell them the actual lore.

…Then they got bored one day and begin to tell gang lore— but here’s the thing, they somehow make it even MORE complicated just to see the boys trying to figure it out

Ace, trying to figure this for a good month now: okay so there this fucking— purple guy named Afton

Yuu: mmhm

Ace: and he have e kids

Yuu: yeah

Ace: they are Micheal, Elizabeth and Crying child—

Deuce, got drag in after Ace: Evan

Ace: still questionable

Yuu: mmhm

Ace: and then there this guy, Henry he have rivalry with

Yuu: it’s Mr. Emily actually

Ace: ……WHO THE FUCK IS MR. EMILY—?

Azul, trying to connect the timeline to prove he’s smarter: so the bite of 83’ happen first—

Riddle, got trick into joining the debate: no but the sister location have to come first

Leona, he didn’t care then he heard even Malleus couldn’t piece the timeline together so now he’s here: not necessarily

Yuu: don’t forget the bite of 58’

Idia, looking like that one conspiracy board meme: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BITE OF 58’

[raytorosaurus]

I hope it’s okay to ask you but you seem to know everything about MCR so you might know. But I read recently that they were the designated bbq band on their first Warped in 2004 so they had to cook for everyone. Have you ever heard of that being the case? It just feels like a weird thing, with Ray apparently being a hermit in the bus and Frank being vegetarian and Gerard being blackout the whole time. I can’t imagine Mikey or Matt Pelissier holding down the fort.

haha yeah apparently so! warped tour was designed to be as efficient to run as possible because its primary purpose was to book up-and-coming bands and put them out there. it had a lot of weird components as a result - e.g. the sheer number of bands and locations, cheap tickets and free tickets for parents, and a constantly changing lineup schedule so attendees couldn't plan their day in advance around specific artists (so the artists were on a more ~equal footing and to encourage ppl to show up when the gates opened and stay all day). it was also notoriously gruelling and uncomfortable for the bands - really demanding schedule, no showers, etc etc.

so one of the things it did (along with showcasing local acts at each location) was invite a "bbq band" to join the tour for free and play every day if they helped run the nightly bbq that fed all the musicians. according to this podcast (around 17 mins in, but the whole episode is a short and really interesting listen, i recommend it!), mcr were that band in 2004 (they were only on the first half of the tour tho, june 25-july 18,24). i'm not sure exactly what his source is but he seems to know his stuff, and i'm almost positive i've heard gerard refer to it in an interview at some stage, though i can't remember when 😭. anyway, that doesn't mean they fully ran the bbq and were the only staff - they were just helpers! warped had a catering company and served a truly enormous amount of food every day, and apparently the artist's bbq was something like 300 hot dogs, 300 burgers, and 100 veggie burgers a night (all from that podcast). mcr definitely wouldn't have been doing that on their own, they were probably just helping out hahaha.

anyway, this was all in 2004, when the lineup included thursday, the used, tbs, coheed and cambria, the bouncing souls, etc. so revenge had only been out for like a month and they didn't have their own bus yet - i'm like 80% sure they stayed on senses fail's bus that tour, but i can't remember which one of them said that or where haha (they definitely shared a bus directly afterwards as they toured back towards nj).

after that is when they went to japan, came back, fired otter, and filmed inok, and went back on tour with bob and face to face all in the space of 2 weeks. that tour is when their van finally broke down for good and they got on their first own tour bus at the end of it.

the more ~famous mcr warped tour is 2005, which is the one with fob etc. i haven't seen lotms in a while but i actually assumed the bit where ray said he'd been a total hermit in the back of the bus was from that 05 tour, because that's the one they had the bus studio where he spent a lot of time writing parade demos. either way, he might not have been partying and socialising a whole lot, but i'm sure he would've sown up to bbq duty anyway! it was their free ticket, after all.