#infinity war rant

[venussaidso]

It really hurts when a great character is introduced, you're attached to it, and then you can see that the writers don't care anymore, have little respect for the traits and complexities they built before, and the progression becomes something you didn't fall in love with in the beginning. The character is ... out of character. The lore that was set up before is not taken seriously. It's even more hurtful and mind-fucking when the fandom literally eats up anything they're given... they will just run with anything.

This has happened to me so many times, it never fails to make me go into depression-mode because of how much I devote myself to characters for escapism and it sucks that fanfiction won't solve my rage at the disrespect of a well introduced character who declines in accuracy, consistency and story arc etc.

All of my favourite characters of all time are botched. It's a weird, depressing pattern. Because then I have to move on and I feel empty again.

[harleyquinnselectraheart]

No one wants to talk about how horrendously the MCU has been treating and characterizing Wanda Maximoff since Civil War. And that is largely because the majority of MCU fans are Tony stans and/or have never even read a Wiki page for the 616 or 1610, let alone a comic book.

[delyth88]

I'm watching the opening scene of Infinity War for the purposes of writing a fic, and despite trying to skip through it and not watch or listen to much of it at all, I am once again so disappointed at how Loki's character changed between the films and the series.

It's been a while since I've watched the films, and just the amount of peak Loki that Tom fits into this horrid 3 minute scene just kills me! :'( I'm instantly caught up in all the feels again, and the drama of his story. He's so good here! Brave, defeated, sassy, scheming, and still trying to pretend he doesn't love his brother enough that he would trade the universe for him. And I am just enraged that they threw him away for cheap shock value! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

*takes deep breaths*

The Loki in the series is a different variant, and I've come to terms with that, and enjoy elements of the series, but this just reminds me how it's not the same awesome character I fell in love with from the films. :'( Damn he was good!

[marvelwizardz]

“I loved you I loved you I loved you it's true I wanted to be you And do what you do I lived here I loved here I thought it was true I feel so stupid I feel so used”

[femslashspuffy]

It is really cool actually that they restrained themselves and kept iron man just a trilogy from 2013-2019

It does suck tho that it came at the expense of every other movie being the Tony Stark Show

[waywardsou2]

So we all know that Wanda has lost a lot of people in her life. Thanks to Tony, Ultron and Thanos. But the only person she has left is Clint. And I think people kinda forget that and I think Marvel did to.

Without really knowing the Marvel set up a fantastic Brother/Sister and/or Father/Daughter dynamic between the two of them but then after Infinity War they never interested again.

Like I know it was a comic plot line but think what if Clint had adopted Wanda and invited her to stay. She had no one and she could have a good simple life with them.

Yeah a lot would have changed in future movies and TV shows but still.

That scene in Age of Ultron where Clint helps her calm down from an anxiety attack and when he comes to rescue her from the Compound in Civil War. It clearly shows that they have a decent bond together. And there could have been so much more to it!

Just saying I preach Father Figure Clint and Surrogate Daughter Wanda

[r4inyclouds]

You can take Steve Rogers out of the fight, but you can't take the fight out of Steve Rogers.

I heavily recommend putting ya glasses on for this ride of a rant. A... practically an essay on how Steve was out of character in Endgame:

Look, I still wholeheartedly believe that Sam deserves the title of Captain America, but even before that Steve dropped that shield, that title in the Civil War movie, for Bucky, in respect for Tony. Captain America wasn't even his label for years after that. Surprising how many didn't realise Steve in the endgame movie was Nomad, not Captain America.

But, he still fought, didn't he?

So people who say "Steve will always be THE Captain America!!" can go cry about it for all I care. Sam is the hero that he deserves to be. Yet, I suppose we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I don't even think the producers at the time even read the comics they were basing their large franchise on. That Steve in Infinity War wasn't Steve.

He was born a stubborn fighter, he was meant to end as that stubborn fighter we knew from 'The First Avenger'. It's in his nature how he was meant to be articulated as a person. It's in the comics, that hell- I haven't even exactly read most nor possess many of them! It's a joke, a jest; it's funny but not funny 'haha hilarious', but funny, odd, peculiar and perplexing. But from what I've seen from the fans on this side of the debate who have read the comics thoroughly, they all explicitly state that Steve would never do this or abandon anyone. I could, respectively, not care that the MCU was never, and never will be, canon to the comics, but they couldn't even keep one thing, an aspect that's similar or alike in any particular way to the comics, and that's the whole nature and personality of one of their most main focused characters, diverging from the whole point, centre, heart of Steve.

Steve never needed a label that told him he was a hero even when he was some twink before the serum, his whole arch, his whole goal was to become someone who helped, it wasn't from the start to settle down with a woman he was at a high school situation ship with, maybe, just maybe it could've worked if they attempted to even build and develop their relationship for it to make that little sense. Steven Grant Rogers admitted to being that stubborn little thing, and in a sense, he was like that, someone who determined to not be a coward and went against his non-spoken word.

And no, this has nothing to do with the fact I'm a HUGE Stucky shipper, I exclusively tried to avoid talking about Bucky in this half of the rant for a reason. I love Peggy, she's in my top 5, and I love domestic Steggy. It's just it was never right for Steve.

Steve will never, ever be able to run away from what he is. He is THE fight, with or without a useless hero label.

Now since I'm a bucky glazer, and he's my favourite character (I'm putting him in a jar once I get my first-ever Funko pop) I will go on to talk about Steve and Bucky, now, I'd understand if someone would not want to read this part because I'm 'just a wild Stucky shipper!' Who's own priority is trying to keep the ship afloat (I'm also occasionally a Sam x Steve x Bucky shipper but that's besides the point) But in this segment, I will be talking about them in an otherwise platonic sense; it doesn't even need to be romantic for me to say this. And, honestly, if the character of Bucky never existed in this universe, I would've still had this rant on my Tumblr about why Steve leaving is just... odd.

Okay, Steve spent THREE, THREE, I REPEAT THREE, HIS WHOLE DAMN TRILOGY, having at least one huge plot point just purely based on Bucky in each of his movies.

1. He went against whole military orders to get Bucky back, had a whole depression episode thinking he was dead, and then had another depression episode when he died, and then kind of just offed himself after that (Now, am I saying he offed himself for no reason for other than his friend?... yeah, so, there's a deleted scene where Rhodey asks Steve about how he practically died, and why he didn't just jump out into the water before he crashed, I'm tellin' you if you search it up it's there, now, people suspected that the reason it's a deleted scene is that it, well, opens a plot hole, and it just kind of seems like... he killed himself because bucky's dead? Like, ya know, there's no other reason to why he did this. But I might just be reaching there) God. So that point just says a lot about how the producers didn't even think for one second about him going back in time.

2. Nearly got killed by him, but when he figured out it was Bucky he went a berserk kind of insanity and risked his life as he put his trust in a man who was about to knock the shit out of him. Then, like- went for months on end to get Bucky back just because he left him on the side of the beach to not let him drown. Yeah, okay, sir. Also, does everyone just... Like, all silently agree not to talk about how they casually just drop platonic wedding vows to each other in every movie? Like, what do you exactly mean by "I'm with you 'till the end of the line", every time I hear that quote I go "WRITE THIS DOWN, WRITE THIS DOWN!" (not like I'll be getting married though)

3. How am I meant to summarise this with detail without just saying the few words in my mind that would just tell you the whole plot? [Squints eyes, checks notes]... Guess I gotta. 'Bro split Avenger for bro, Avenger no longer, Captain America? No longer for bro, bro picks bro up, bro says wedding vow, bro sad Wakanda.'

Then, now, I apologise sincerely for using this analogy, but he kinda, just, ya know, abruptly left to get the milk. He dropped everything once he got the chance to go back and left poor Bucky wide-eyed like some traumatised puppy with attachment issues they newly developed after shown that much devotion and affection from an owner who'd treat them right, and then was suddenly dropped into a random field of an environment, unfamiliar, they don't recognise it, as they then watch the rustic car they were once rescued from becoming a blur, speeding off into a distance he couldn't possibly ever trace back to. What in the holy fuck was that waste of three movies then.

(DEEP FUCKING BREATHS, RAIN, HOLY SHIT DEEP FUCKING BREATHS)

I hope people can't tell I'm a fanfic writer; this is the shittiest thing I've ever written, I swear my fanfics are more descriptive and crap, but I'm foaming from the mouth right now; I think I permanently disrupted my breathing pattern, well done me.

Sigh, okay, well.

[foodiegoogie]

JUST WATCHED THUNDERBOLTS*. ABSOLUTE CINEMA.

[raccoonfallsharder]

There’s been a few rumours that the Russos (and one of the writers from Infinity War/Endgame) may be coming back for Avengers 5/6! I’m curious about what those movies will be like, because they’re going to be even MORE crowded with a gazillion characters. 😅

And particularly, I wonder what the role of the Guardians is even gonna be in them… or at least Star-Lord, if no one actually has any plans to bring them back — which seems to be the most likely outcome. Personally, I wouldn’t actually mind too much if the new Guardians were brought back to join the final battle or something like that. It might be nice as a last hurrah for Rocket, maybe!

But what do you think? I know your opinions on those movies, so… I know what you have to say will be very interesting. 😁

oooooh boy. this just unlocked a whole bunch of competing thoughts in my head. i hope i can make sense of them enough to type them up.

here's the thing. i don't trust the russos or the IW/E writers but i am a person who (1) believes that people can grow and become better at damn near anything they want to, and (2) i am happy to be wrong. maybe the russos and whichever writer who is coming on board will have taken good lessons from the last five years since endgame (five years holy shit) and they'll come out stronger, better, more respectful storytellers. maybe they'll listen to other, better, more respectful storytellers on the team. hell, maybe disney will even let them be better (disney properties seem to be at their best when the mouse is least invested in controlling its indentured creatives). and of course, quality and effective storytelling won't only be on the shoulders of the russos et al. it will also be on the people who are working on the adjacent, intervening movies, and whether they are capable of and permitted to create compelling narratives and fully-developed characters along the way.

now, another thing i think will be tricky is if they choose to do another massive ensemble-battle (like the final endgame fight). i'm just not sure almost anything they can do will be actually satisfying to anyone who identifies with the characters who aren't the main focus. the reason that so-called "girl-power" moment in endgame was so fucken dissatisfying for so many of us was because it was unearned. condescending. you can't choose to feature so few of these women in the course of the whole movie, kill the only one of them with more than like three lines, and then throw every woman left alive into thirty seconds of battle choreography and think that your target-audience will see that as anything but patronizing. if the russos go for that level of sprawling battle-pageantry, that's what will happen, on some level. we just can't pay attention to every character the way they truly deserve when the cast is that massive.

and... i imagine this is exactly how the guardians would feature, if they aren't picked up by anyone in the meantime: one second of screentime in the background of a big fight, maybe with rocket's signature word as his new team advances to ultimately be lost in the ranks. or a singular star-lord, fighting on the side of the new avengers.

now, i'll let you in on a little and possibly controversial secret: i don't need more of rocket in the mcu. i think the mcu might fuck up a beautiful story. if they were to bring him back - unless it were a complete alternate timeline like a new cartoon - i almost think it would need to be a wholly different genre. here are the best ways i think disney could bring "mcu" rocket back:

fuck copaganda but brooklyn-99 had a distinctly guardians vibe in terms of a bunch of well-meaning dysfunctional idiots coming together under extremely exhausted but HIGHLY effective leadership. we could take this ride through space in a star-trek-esque adventure-of-the-week approach or base it in knowhere so we can really see what it looks like to be a guardian in that community, and meet some of the characters like xlomo smeth, ssssaralami, hoobtoe, the broker, HOWARD, etc.

mst3k but it's like, movie night on knowhere. they project some disney movie on the side of one of the bone-buildings and rocket and groot are always making commentary. but they're not the only ones. nebula's there, and for kid-appropriate movies drax and the kids are too. sometimes howard comes along and he and rocket get drunk and compete to be the harshest critic. adam tries to crack jokes sometimes but he's bad at it.

nebula and rocket during the snap. IN SPACE. mostly. i'll accept occasional visits to terra check in on thor. i suspect we see a lot of kraglin on the third quadrant and maybe spend some time helping with reconstruction in knowhere.

a super-ironic self-aware parody of some old sitcom like full house. i'm open to rocket being the father-figure and the new guardians being the chaotic fam, but i'd also be open to it focusing on the star children, calling it "drax the dad," and having rocket be the uncle-jesse-character. which brings me to my last option, which is

actually center the show around a singular someone else, like adam or phylla, and have rocket occasionally make an appearance as an important background character: a father-figure, a mentor, a captain, a guide, a beloved pain-in-the-ass. occasional conversations over the comms where he's like "are you eating enough? are you cleaning your cannons like i taught you? you still closing your eyes when you squeeze the trigger 'cause i told you to stop fuckin doing that. when are you coming home? nebula misses you and your brother is driving me fuckin crazy"

i do think there are other things that good writers could make work but these are the ones my heart rests on because i just don't trust disney/marvel very easily these days

WHICH IS ALL TO SAY

of course i'm gonna watch whatever disney/marvel puts out into theatres and/or on disney+, especially if the guardians are in it. and especially if my guy is in it.

but i'm also fully expecting to have my heart broken. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

as i said, i'm a person who is happy to be wrong.

[zim0kuu]

Watching Infinity War & Endgame again..

Sometimes I think about how Rocket literally lost his family for the second time and how he thought they were “dead” for 5 years and the only person he had left was Nebula🧍🏻

SOMETIMES… I think about how weird it would have been for him to have the rest of the Guardians all suddenly be back and act like nothing happened, how it would’ve taken him so long to get over that trauma of losing them…

Anyways personal headcannon; Rocket and Steve definitely had a few heart to hearts during the blip🙏

[starbloggirl]

Does anyone ever think about the 14 million universes in Avengers Endgame? We know in the first Dr. Strange that the Ancient one can't see past her death, so how did strange know to give thanos the time stone? Maybe he lied about seeing the universes so that Tony would feel ashamed for losing strange. He also says that he can't tell Tony what happens or it won't happen, but he tells Tony about the 14 million, so maybe he was lying, and he couldn't tell Tony because he didn't know.

[buckysouvenir]

yeah, i’m religious. i believe in the holy trinity.

[akascow]

speaking my truth: eternals is too over hated yall just lack whimsy😔

[marvelwizardz]

The fact that Tony Stark didn’t say ‘No shit, Sherlock’ to Dr. Strange in Avengers: Infinity War upsets me

[winterangelss]

MCU RANT INCOMING

☆| does anyone else feel that Adam Warlock was very under utilised in the MCU? I feel like he would've been great in the infinity saga. Correct me if I'm wrong on my very limited knowledge of the comics but isn't he connected to the soul stone? I feel like It would have made for such an interesting plot to have Adam take part in infinity war and endgame considering he and the sovereign were teased in guardians vol 2. Hot take but throwing both Gamora and Natasha off a cliff just seemed unnecessary to me. Don't get me wrong though, a 'soul for a soul' is a great idea but Red skull guarding this cliff??? Huh??? It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me personally considering who Red Skull was, just felt really random. I'm just praying that they do more with Adam Warlock as a character because he has so much potential.

~❄️🪽

[femslashspuffy]

It's been so long since I watched avengers 2012 that I forgot how good Hiddleston's performance was in this film

THAT is the loki I know and love. I like ragnorok a lot I do but this loki is so violent and manipulative and also incompetent and pathetic. When he briefly convinces thor that he's gonna give it all up only to stab him but you look back up and he is a little wrecked with a tear in his eye.

This is the shit. No more movies after 2012 (...except winter soldier) like this is IT this is the film