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I want to stay optimistic, but I don't have much faith that the HOTD writers will go through with any of the messages in the Dance aside from misogyny. Obviously, misogyny plays a big role in the Dance because it is the means to and end for the Greens, but the way the show focuses on this to favor Rhaenyra's claim and rule and this sort of diminishes the complexity of the story. By making it so that one side rightful, righteous, chosen by some divine powers, etc., etc. and one side that is perverse and corrupted and only there for greed, it takes away from one of the most important lessons in the Dance: Targaryens are not a divine superior race that should be exempt from the rage of common men that suffer at the cost of them.
(Also, ik ambition was a major motivator for the Greens in the books, but the books didn't try to frame Rhaenyra's right to the throne as God-given)
You might have already guessed, but the part of the dance I anticipated the most was Targaryens who perceive themselves to be divine and superior take the realm to shit fighting over a throne that neither of them actually deserve. They fight at the cost of everything and lose everything for a throne that neither of them keep for long because they are both inadequate rulers that rely heavily on their respective councils. When they make decisions on their own, their nearly equal incompetence shows because Aegon's choices are emotional and stupid and Rhaenyra's are paranoid and stupid. These are the people that cause the death of the dragons.
It feels like the show is trying to appeal to those stans that bend over backwards to defend their fave tyrants and believe the throne is a rightful possession of the Targaryens.
#this is not me dismissing misogyny#i acknowledge that its important#i just think making rhaenyra a divinely chosen ruler that was unfairly usurped doesnt do the narrative any favors#this is one of those posts where you can tell which characters i favor😭#alicent hightower#anti targaryen#team green#pro team green#most pro team green post ive made actually#aegon ii targaryen#targtowers#also aegon chose to usurp the throne for his and his familys life in the books#whereas he ran away in the show#and aegon was introduced to the story as a child rapist as per mushrooms tales??#thats another post tho#i dont claim to be morally right btw#greens are my guilty pleasure😞#especially my glorious emerald jade adamite malachite nephrite queen and pookie bear snookums
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I'm a former radfem who went soft a decade ago, but the Pelicot and Abbé Pierre cases reignited my revolt.
I'm now married and have an almost 3-year old son. My husband is above average in terms of morals and decency. Do you have any advice to raise him into an ally for women?
You can’t.
You can do your best to instill good attributes in him and teach him right from wrong. You can reinforce the idea that you’re a person and so are all other women, but at the end of the day, he has much more incentive to be misogynistic than to be an ally for women.
And that incentive comes from every direction except you. It comes from tv and teachers and friends and bullies and music and billboards and games and story books and everything else. Possibly even his own father when you’re not around. You would have to keep him locked in a closet to keep him from absorbing the knowledge that he has the option to use sexism to get ahead in life.
This goes for having girls too btw. You can try your best to raise her feminist and to be safe etc and she may come around in her 20s or 30s but chances are she’ll be raped and abused by the time she understands what you were saying. It’s a tough world.
The only thing you can really do is let him know that your love is unconditional but your support is not. Cut off males in your life who rape or abuse without a second question. Call out sexism in front of him without pulling your punches. Do not allow him to even unknowingly be misogynistic: you must enforce that you have a sexism free household whether he is there or not. And worst of all: be ready to follow through if he does rape someone. Be ready to kick him out or cut off communication. Basically you have to teach him that even though he’s your son, women still come first.
If that sounds harsh, then just imagine all the daughters who are taught in no uncertain terms that their fathers are their fathers, but other men and boys will always come first. You don’t even have to do it that harshly though, because males arent oppressed for being male.
I know he’s three right now, and hopefully his entitlement is lower than most 3 year old boys (most of them I see are already hitting people for not getting their way and telling the female children to serve them, but I am in a shitty town. The parents claim this is behavior learned at daycare but oddly enough the girls arent doing it) but you have to be prepared for when he’s older. Pick some good theory books out and pick some ages they would be appropriate. If you’re always reading together it can even be bonding time.
I don’t have kids. I am against the concept of having kids like someone would be against the concept of eating meat. It cannot be done without harm. Every child is traumatized one way or another. You either have a boy or a girl, and both come with their own specific ways of causing harm and being harmed.
That said, mothers are all women and as such should be considered and catered to in feminist analysis. I have a lot friends who are mothers. Ive seen this shit happen first hand. Ive seen women trying desperately to raise a decent son and one weekend with his father or anything really and it looks like all their work slipped away, but really the boy just stopped hiding his sexism for a bit.
I really dont have much good advice. It’s a really tough world and you’re but 1 millionth of the influences your son has and will have through his life. But do your best and protect yourself first and foremost!! I wish you great luck in this endeavor!!!
And always remember, the best way to convince someone to do something is to do it yourself!
🥰💕❤️♥️💙💗🖤💜💛💖💞💚❣️💛💚
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btw not to be a disabled poor piss baby but the way ppl (SPECIALLY americans) treat struggling to recall things deemed common sense that you learned in school/straight up not knowing them as some personal moral failure is fucking weird lmao.every education system has a problem w failing disabled kids that cant follow along typical learning by just letting them fall behind w zero ways to catch up n my country has an issue w teenagers dropping out to support their families so they dont starve to death so it just rlyyy doesnt sit right w me when ppl claim if you cant remember some random fuck middle school class fact youre an idiot that doesnt remember bc you dont want to.i dont know how to explain to you all if a CHILD is being failed by adults to be taught smth its literally not their fault specially when in nearly all cases its bc of outside factors (i mentioned disability n poverty here but lets not forget stuff like abused kids being unable to focus due to stress or bc they lack a safe environment to study at home, for example)
idk ig my point is not everyone had a great home life w a stable financial situation n zero genetic conditions that let them get head pats from adults for being good at memorizing books, n its weird af to want to be superior than ppl who didnt have those bc its literally not our fault that as CHILDREN we were failed by adults n nowadays only managed (at BEST scenario, remember lots of ppl nowadays still cant even read bc they didnt even get the chance to do elementary) to remember actual essential basics that let us get by n not high school physics trivia.also if all those things r suuuuch big common sense idk why yall want to feel better than us for knowing them, by your own reasoning theyre completely worthless knowledge everyone has, no point in showing off you know smth like that, but ig at the end of the day its all abt feeling special for having success handed to you in a silver plate compared to the losers not born as lucky
#analiceoriginal.txt#sorry this kind of attitude pisses me off so bad at such a deep level#not just bc i failed so much school stuff bc i was being neglected of having disabilities acknowledged#but bc ever since we were little we were always told abt the issue w kids not managing to finish school due to financial issues#i had friends whose parents had to teach themselves how to read to work.i had friends whose parents joined#a special adult class my elementary school hosted so they could at least graduate that#n to see ppl like them? like me? getting shamed bc we didnt get the opportunity to learn worthless fucking trivia?#its filth.i hate being open i genuinely am upset by smth but i have no respect whatsoever for the kind of ppl this post is abt.#n again abused kids!!! how the fuck is it their fault? the system ENABLES ABUSE to the point some kids die bc of it#kids who run away from home too! how the fuck is it their moral failure they cant remember a fucking high school class they might not even#have had?#n this applies to this godamn website bc you ppl shame others who struggle w your deemed intellectual subjects all the fucking time#its embarrassing jesus christ#sorry just.absolutely no fucking respect for ppl who struggled to even make it alive past 18.bc we cant remember your little facts.
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Why Cant I Be Naked Outside?
Ive been naked inside of my apartment all day for the past two days.
Im a full-time freelance podcaster.
What started out as pure laziness and a response to an arthritis flareup turned into a thought experiment:
What would happen if I went outside naked right now?
Why cant I go outside like this? Who am I hurting?
One of the biggest bullshit programming in American soeicty from the literal time we are "born" is you cant be naked outside.
Lifelong conditioning, programming, brainwashing and endless reinforcements.
And I literally cant walk outside right now naked without potentially being arrested, harrassed, assaulted, raped, abducted and/or killed.
The societal programming against public nudity is both conscious and subconscious, subtle and overt, transparent & hidden, embedded & obvious.
Why cant I go outside naked?
Bullshit automatic responses:
•Safety
•Hygiene
•"Public decency".
Lmao.
"Order & morality".
Big fucking yikes.
Why does the state have an "interest"?
Hygiene is such a crock.
The people who say omg!hygiene like the ones who commented my tiktok in my underwear are all full of shit.
The lie is vaginal discharge, menstrual bleeding and STIs (genital warts & herpes, etc) could potentially infect and/or transmit diseases, bacteria, germs, etc on public chairs, benches, seats, stadiums, etc if people werent wearing underwear.
So, they claim not wearing underwear is "unhygienic" therefore public nudity laws are necessary.
So, if I go outside in underwear that covers my butt and pussy and nothing else, were good to go right?
Ofcourse not, because there are topless laws for women.
Nipples are outlawed.
There isnt the slightest pretense about hygiene.
They just screech about "teh childrenz!" (who also have nipples btw) and "public decency" and they throw in a lie about how its "unsafe for women" when they would be the first ones out there raping the first woman who had her tits out.
Yeah, okay.
Its not about "morality", "order", "decency", "hygiene" or "safety".
Its about motherfucking control, repression, paternalism, the patriarchy, misogyny, sexualizing the female body, the contrived creation of the "forbidden" and the "taboo", its about making people hate their bodies, shame, repression, forced guilt, sex is bad, hiding the body, no confidence, never flaunting, women never owning their sexuality, Madonna/whore complex, virginity as a prized communal possession, virgin as status and trophy, women presenting themselves to men to be consumed, women presenting themselves as objects of desire, equating femininity with demureness and being ladylike with being pure innocent and virginal, female obsession with clothes hair makeup jewelry endlesd adornments plastic surgery dieting through othering their own bodied by keeping it hidden under bras underwears Spanx Skims undergarments girdles slips tights stockings skirts dresses jeans pants shorts corsets socks knee highs thigh highs, othering mystifying commodifying & pornifying the female body by keeping it hidden in real life from men until they lose their virginity and creating an environment where men depersonalize the female body and make it a vessel of their endless wet dreams and masturbatory fantasies.
If everyone was naked from jump street (we are but we dont stay that way), noone would give a shit.
Nudist colonies and beaches are like that, nudity is the everyday norm so noone reacts, cares, stares, points, ridicules, insults, harrasses, etc.
They all just go about their day at the beach, eating, shopping -- so then, why cant we all do that at non-nudist colonies & beaches?
Please.
They want the rapes, sexual assaults, molestation, sexual abuse, hebephilia, pedophilia, sex addictions and compulsions, sex disorders, repressions & traumas.
Its a tool of societal control to control the populace just like violence is.
US has the most violence per capita in the world.
Gun deaths, shootings, stabbings and murders.
It doesnt have to be this way.
They want it this way.
Why are my vulva, labia and nipples such a problem?
Why has my naked female body been so sexualized, otherized & dehumanized?
Why is a natural thing -- my naked female human body as is -- something that is met with such force, sexualized violence, oppression, repressed desires, rage, outrage, anger, terror, shock, revulsion, arrests, being killed while in custody, jailed, convicted, fined?
Why cant I just walk outside like this, fully naked, and check the mail all of two minutes away and then walk right back to my apartment without saying anything or interacting with anyone?
Why does my landlord care?
Why does the mailman care?
Why does the white stay at home Karen, her dry ass husband and Little Timmy and Madison care?
Why does the maintenance man at my apartment complex care?
Why do my three neighbors in my apartment complex -- all male and single -- one downstairs under me, one upstairs and one downstairs in the unit next to me care?
Why does the person walking their dog care?
Why does the doordash delivery driver care?
Why does the school bus driver care?
Why does a naked female body elicit such strong, visceral, ugly, vicious, violent, unhinged responses?
#black feminism#feminism#feminist#public exposure#decency#morality#anti capitalism#ex fundie#ex fundamentalist#paternalism#patriarchy#socialism#misogony#me too#me too movement#lgbtq#lgbtqia#queer#queer community#commodification#consumerism#toxic masculinity#femininity#goddess isis#ancient kemet#kemetic#ancient egypt#promiscuous#promiscuity#free the bewbs
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(Last post on this)
One thing about me is that i was always one of those kids who got angry when you criticised someone for aspects of their character or body that had NOTHING to do with the issues at hand.
(A major occurence is when fat people who are bigotted get made fun of for being fat).
So ill even reblog/repost (on tiktok) anti Taylor Swift stuff while being a swiftie because i understand that she's just some rich white cishet woman (she's just my silly lil hobby and one of the major artists i like to put in the background while doing things).
But i CANNOT fucking stand some of you bitches that:
a) dont hold other artists accountable for the very same things.
b) hated her waaaaay back, before any of her bs started, and didn't change the way you hated her (again! Very pro hating her if it's for valid fucking reasons! Some of yall are just sexist tho!! "You can't call everyone who doesn't like her sexist" YOURE RIGHT!! AND IM NOT!! Ive seen a lot of her haters that i respect bc they werent sexist pigs about it!! Some of yall just have internalised shit to deal with!!).
And c) refuse to use your reading comprehension skills with artists you hate because it's easier to act like all good art is made by morally good people and if they're morally bad than their product/art is inherintely bad as well. (Which btw, isnt me saying "she's the lyricist of our generation!", it's me saying that she can still have some nice lyrics or others can consider her their fave lyricists and it's fine).
(Last time i repeat this but she's literally MAKING FUN of her ex for his whole tortured poet vibe, she's not claiming herself as one but god forbid yall read the entirity of just the 2nd song aka the mf title track.)
Alright, peace out. Ill have fun with the block button.
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Yo what are your thoughts on how Techno was willing to fight against Dream at the portal for Tommy, or how he was straight up willing to do a 30v1 so Tommy could escape, but then Tommy just stole Dream's Axe and betrayed him? For all of Techno's flaws (folds easily to peer pressure, etc) one thing that cannot be said about this man is that he isn't loyal.
I mean I believe you dude, c!Techno is definitely loyal, but to me his loyalty is conditional. He’s shown twice over that the moment you don’t align with his societal laws that he won’t hesitate to destroy anything he believes is wrong just to teach you a lesson. I just think it’s real funny how he goes on about how anarchy is all about freedom, but he won’t let other people live how they wanna live. Because apparently he gets to decide that? I just think that’s so funny :)
And this isn’t to say I don’t like c!Techno, he’s definitely sympathetic and I think the fact he really has been treated like a weapon since he joined the server sucks. But he is a selfish person. He’s one guy and he shouldn’t get to decide what goes and what doesn’t (especially since his solution to things that don’t go is that they need to be burned to ashes) /rp
#techno: why did the butcher army try to kill me after i went into hiding#me: its called the consequences of your actions sir#im no good at writing meta i feel like i sound kinda harsh LOL#but i am still a ittle bitter that lmanburg is gone djhfbvdv#i dont claim to be 100% right and that you cant question me about this btw#like plotwise theres so much you can talk about when it comes to doomsday#everyones choice and morals are really interesting so i enjoy talking about it lol#dsmp#asks#jam talkin tag#cant wait for the 'we get it youre a tommy and wilbur apologist' asks to roll in U_U#mcyt
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my friend thinks my brother is emotionally abusive...it might be true
#she's totally right#like my mom and i and even my other brother are always holding back from speaking our mind towards him#bc otherwise - if we anger said brother in any way - theres the threat of us not being allowed to see the twins (my niece/nephew) anymore#and hes downright cruel while claiming and reveling in moral superiority#he loves looking down on us for our choices in life and thinks hes a better human for having kids (which were not planned btw)#even to our mom like especially actually#i think he secretly hates us all but doesnt really realize it#hes kinda narcisstic too and really only cares about his own issues unless he can take the moral highground within ours even if they dont#involve him at all#anyway today i had enough and actually stood my ground and now im not allowed to be my nieces godmother anymore#what a joke
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opinions on riordanverse ; my edition
a lot of people have been doing this so i decided why not right. probably gna lose some followers or smth but anyways. pls respect my opinions! if u disagree, thats fine, but please be polite. unless any of my opinions strikes u as morally wrong then pls point it out to me respectfully. thanks!
- i actually liked drew. im so sorry to everyone who hates her but full offence, why. think about it this way ok, first of all drew became hc because silena died. silena was the traitor, the one who betrayed chb, yet after she died campers celebrated her as a hero? and then drew suddenly has to replace her and live up to idk that legacy she left behind,, when all of a sudden this girl named piper swoops in and takes her place. idk abt u but i wld be salty abt that too. not only that, but as an asian, the chances of drew having faced racism/bullying as a child is pretty high (she studies at brooklyn academy). which means that when she finds out shes a demigod, and arrives at chb where most of the campers are white (this is an assumption btw), she’d obviously be scared of being bullied for her skin color right?? so the first thing she wld do before the campers get to bully her is to bully them before they can do so. (sentence structure here is wack i apologize) ofc this might not even have happened, drew could have had a perfect childhood && was a b1tch for no reason, BUT EVEN THEN HER ROLE AS A BULLY WAS PRETTY VITAL BECAUSE THAT FURTHER SHOWED THE CONTRAST BETWEEN HER AND PIPER,, HIGHLIGHTING PIPER AS A HERO//GOOD CHARACTER,, AND THEREFORE MAKING READERS LIKE PIPER MORE. anyway stop hating on drew please. ALSO WHY IS THIS SO LONGA SDFJHG
- jason isnt bland, the fandom just kinda erased his backstory (thanks to @pjohoo-memes for the phrasing lol)
- reynabeth wouldnt have lasted/would have broken up several times. idk i just see them as two extremely powerful characters who have firm opinions and will definitely clash at some point. in a platonic relationship,, i can see them as really good friends but as lovers? idk i just think theyll break up
- PIPABETH
- i dont really like jercy,, i see them as better friends than lovers. also idt jason and percy were that close..?
- the dam and not my type jokes are srsly cringey and were never funny. ik that seems hypocritical since my username literally makes use of the dam joke but honestly i dont actually like the joke. its not funny to me and has never been funny
- the seven were not best friends. they definitely argued,, and honestly probably werent as close as the fandom makes them seem. like ure dumped with 6 other people, out of which u only know a few. my introverted ass would have jumped off the argo 2 quicker than leo valdez could bomb camp jupiter up. also leo was a dick to frank. so what if frank is bigger sized?? thats not a valid reason to tease him
- the fandom needs to stop hating on octavian while worshipping luke. if u hate luke and u say u hate octavian too, then okay. but if u tell me ure a luke stan but u despise octavian?? imma disagree w u. luke was worse than octavian im sorry. first of all, octavian being a dick was kinda justified. hes been after the praetor position for so long, and everyone keeps saying to “wait for jason” when suddenly this dude, whos a son of NEPTUNE (neptune wasnt liked much by romans), and the camp decides to make him praetor?? dude i would be pissed off big time. and then afterwards, he finds out that greek demigods are real and the dude they made praetor is greek. AND THEN GREEK DEMIGODS COME TO CJ AND ONE OF THEM BOMB IT UP?? octavian has been told all his life that greeks are scum and this dude called leo valdez attacks cj. sure it was an accident, but did octavian know that? no. so it was honestly justified that he was such a salty prick im just saying. also some of yall be hating on octavian for cutting a teddy bear open and thats the funniest shit ive ever heard i swear
- luke didnt go to elysium
- travis and connor stoll r way too underrated. the two have been head counselors of the hermes cabin since luke was revealed as a traitor, can u imagine the stress? luke, the person they probably looked up to as a brother, betrayed them. and they didnt even have time to process this when they were thrown the roles of being hcs. that would have been so stressful and i would probably have broken down if i were them. the stoll brothers taking turns to wake up at ungodly hours because a new camper is crying and homesick and terrified, the stoll brothers having to comfort and take care of new campers, having to deal with the amount of people in that cramped space because not enough campers are being claimed fast enough. having to resolve issues between campers in the hermes cabin all the time. the stolls arent just comedic relief, and we need to stop treating them as such
- tratie shldve been canon idc idc
- demigods of the demeter cabin arent talked about enough and i love the fact that meg was demeters kid. like she isnt the child of one of the big three yet shes so powerful.
- we need to hype clarisse up more her character arc was phucking amazing
- rachel is overhated. sis found out greek gods exist and regularly come down to earth to fuck around and went “ok cool”. queen shit behavior methinks
- the floor 19 crew of mcga is srsly underrated. like do u even remember halfborn gunderson, mallory keen, tj, etc??? bc i feel like we only remember samirah, magnus, alex, and sometimes blitz and hearthstone
- sadie (tkc) was kinda annoying at first. i like her more now tho but i rmb not liking her for a phat while
- tkc and mcga need more love
- carter kane and jason grace arent boring. theyre just really sweet boys who are too good for this world and yes yes yes
- hazel and frank (especially frank) need to be hyped up more. i hardly ever see anything about them. also yall seem to forget that frank was literally made praetor and that even hecate admired hazel and was willing to fight beside her because of how powerful she was
- frazels age gap is kinda sketch but i still think theyre really cute
- nico definitely had trauma from going to tartarus on his own
- GROVER IS PERCYS BEST FRIEND
- annabeth isnt smarter than leo but neither is leo smarter than annabeth. ive seen a lot of discussions about who is smarter and heres my hot take on it: neither. theyre equally smart, just in different ways. leos a genius mathematically speaking. he has no issues solving math problems meant for people much, much older than him. annabeth on the otherhand, is great at strategies etc. she can make an army of 1000 more powerful than the enemy, even if theyre outnumbered. so in my opinion, both are equally as smart//u cant compare their intelligence, because their talents lie in two different areas.
- while i do agree rick riordan isnt a god and that hes bound to make mistakes,, AND that hes given us a lot of representation,, if the representation offends the people its sposed to represent, then theres a problem. im talking about piper as a poc and wearing feathers in her hair. im not a poc, so i cant speak for them on whether or not its wrong, because i dont know either. HOWEVER, i have seen multiple posts BY pocs talking about how they didnt really like rick’s representation of piper, and thats an issue. pocs have been and are still oppressed and discriminated against by many. as a white cis man, we cant really blame him for not knowing (tho he could have done a research,, asked some pocs,, idk), but by representing pocs in that manner, hes influencing impressionable kids/teens into thinking “oh pocs wear feathers in their hair all the time” etc, which isnt true. the pjo/hoo series is extremely successful, and kids who read the books will probably start forming inaccurate opinions on pocs. the amount of fan art that depicts piper with feathers in her hair dont help either. “but rick said so in the books, so its canon” yeah well rick isnt a god and he can get some things wrong at times. im not saying we should cancel him, im saying we should start educating ourselves and not spread false info like pocs wearing feathers in their hair all the time. also that snake song shit where she sang Summertime was just- yeah. bc heres the thing you can be racist, and still include minorities, but portray them in a racist way. And even then, ignorance isn't a thing to admire. Getting those facts wrong still has a major impact. It continues to perpetuate racist stereotypes.
“ With the feather thing, I looked it up myself; it takes less than five minutes to figure out that Cherokees don't braid feathers into their hair. I didn't grow up in the country where my parents are from. I have many other first/second generation American friends who have also been through that, with a bit of a disconnect from their culture. But something that most of us have in common is that when we didn't know something, and when our parents weren't that big of a help, we looked it up. We sought out resources online and through other people from our culture to be able to connect more with where we came from. Some of that took a Google search. So I find it hard to believe that Piper, a girl who Rick's trying to portray as someone who is attempting to connect with her culture and is totally against racist stereotypes, wouldn't know that eagle feathers aren't supposed to be braided into your hair casually. She may be disconnected from her culture, but she's also shown to want to connect back to it. Piper wouldn't be casually braiding feathers into her hair while also telling off people for being racist. It makes no sense.” - reddit thread (down below)
for those of yall who wanna know more please please read this, it has a lot of things i wanna add in here : https://www.reddit.com/r/camphalfblood/comments/gy3gl2/piper_mcleans_portrayal_is_innacurate/
as well as https://finding-my-culture.tumblr.com/post/189422373260/maxie-ratties-and-cattie-finding-my-culture
i will be posting screenshots of these in future posts so if ure viewing this on ig and u dont have tumblr,, dont worry
- the fact that most of the strong female characters in the series refuse to be “girly”, and ngl i dont really like that. just because ure girly doesnt mean u cant be strong.
- piper would have been a great way for him to start making the strong characters act girlier, but instead he went with the “I’m not like other girls” trope which is quite obnoxious to hear constantly, and I don’t think it’s necessarily great for younger girls to read that idea growing up. the closest we've ever had to a strong female character who was also into "girly" things was Silena. when I was younger I admired Piper's "I'm not like other girls" thing, but then I got older and realized that the whole mentality of "not like other girls" is super obnoxious, and a little bit toxic
i have a heck load more that i cant rmb rn but yeah feel free to add more
#riodanverse opinions#frank zhang#hazel levesque#leo valdez#piper mclean#jason grace#percy jackson#annabeth chase#grover underwood#tkc#the kane chronicles#mcga#magnus chase#magnus chase and the gods of asgard#pjo#pjato#hoo#Heroes of Olympus#the seven#octavian#luke castellan#meg mcaffrey#apollo#trials of apoll#travis stoll#connor stoll
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i am asking you about your ocs. i need to know Everything about them (or just talk about any oc that you'd like)
Okok so i've got a whole google doc about them but its basically incomprehensible without the extra context thats only in my head so here's the (hopefully) more coherant version: (under the cut because its kinda long)
So basically these are all from an original story that i've been developing for like. a while now. I dont know how long.
First off: some basic worldbuilding. So there’s a mortal realm and a spirit realm. Basically when someone dies they’re given five years as a ghost to tie off any loose ends. The only people that can see ghosts are people connected to said loose ends. After the five years are up, a ghost can apply for an extension if the loose ends still aren’t tied up, but they are rarely accepted.
Spirits are immortal beings that live in the spirit realm. Their job is to watch over the ghosts in the human realm, and run the real afterlife.
Anyways those are the basics now its time to talk about my kids. I’m sorry if this doesn’t make any sense I’ve got a lot of thoughts
First: Cat (they/them) my beloved. My firstborn. They win the award of most doodles in my sketchbook. Cat only dresses in big jackets and long pants even in hot weather. They go to arizona one time and they almost die of heatstroke. They’re a bisexual disaster. Contrary to popular belief they’re actually the only reason the squad hasn’t been arrested yet.
Ellie: (all pronouns) Ellie is not her actual name, but their real name is incomprehensible to mortal beings. Ellie is a Spirit, sent to the mortal realm as punishment for accidentally bringing a human back to life. They are very clearly Not human but yet somehow no one seems to notice. Anyways when he’s sent down to earth Ellie lands right in Cat’s backyard.
Caleb (he/they): caleb is my son. Also the more i develop him as a character the more he turns into simmons rvb but that wasnt on purpose these characters have been in my head since before I watched rvb. Anyways caleb claims to be the brain cell of the group but the data disagrees with that. Inside of school they're the teacher’s pet and never do anything wrong but outside of school he is just completely insane. (like me). He has moral values but no one can actually figure out what they are. Oh also they're trans btw. (all of my ocs are trans unless explicitly stated otherwise)
Emily (she/her): she’s the actual brain cell of the group. However this does not make her any less of a disaster, it just means that when it counts she stops them from getting killed. Most of the time. She has her charisma stats maxxed out, which is how she avoids detention. Fun facts she has two dads and one of them is a professional pastry chef and so she gets the squad free desserts all the time.
Nathan (he/him): nathan is the ghost that haunts the squad’s high school. He was killed by the higher beings in charge of the spirit realm because he saw things that he wasn’t supposed to see. But they still gave him the five years thing. And so he’s stuck as a ghost until either a) five years pass, or b) he figures out his loose ends.
But then caleb and emily and cat are hanging out in the school basement for reasons and they find him. And they can see him, which they aren’t supposed to do. But they decide that he’s their friend now and part of the squad. And they use nathan to pull a whole bunch of pranks on the student body.
And nathan understandably doesn’t trust ellie at first, but eventually he warms up to her. Eventually.
So basically the whole plot thing is they go on a quest to stop corruption in the afterlife because theyre like. Huh this whole thing is kind of messed up. And half of the plot is high school shenanigans the other half is murder mysteries and ghost hunting.
(btw nathan and caleb are in love. Its a whole tragic love story thing but i Will give them a happy ending)
also if i ever do make this into a webcomic like i want to it would be titled "Teen Spirit"
And now for some various drawings of them:
(I keep meaning to draw out some character sheets but i’ve never gotten around to it. But here are my most recent drawings of them)
In order: cat, ellie, emily, nathan, caleb
#thanks for sending me this btw i love talking about my ocs <3#my writing#hnmm i should make a tag for them#oc tag: teen spirit
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Is it now?
Came to that conclusion on your own did you? Or were you told this, had it argued at you. Had it drilled into you from both the religious right and the socialist left, did ya? Came to this the same way a lamb on a leash is led, did ya?
Did you ever challenge that position to yourself as to strengthen your understanding?
Do you even know what your worldview rests on?
Do you know what rotten beams and terrible ignorance has gone into supporting that claim?
Have you ever even heard someone defend your counter claim? Did you ever seek one out?
You know nothing of the world and for once you need to realize how little you actually know so that you can begin to know that which you dont even know that you dont know.
Greed is not destroying this country. This country is being deliberately sabotaged by people who have never earned even their intellectual position that lets them say that you deserve the unearned. As for revenge against reality that it would not permit the irrational to exist.
You know what greed is at its core? Remove out the elements worthy of condemnation. Its self interest. It's that your life is your own. It condemns not the irrational, but the rational when it doesn't bend itself needlessly to some other person's purpose.
Now if you said "I condemn greed to the point of self destruction" id agree because what is actually being condemned is irrationality. Or "I condemn greed that causes another to be destroyed" because what is condemned is not the greed but the envy, malice, or the service of others to self, which btw is the other side of the coin of altruism, and thus also irrationality.
But understand, greed isn't the issue, irrationality is. And we as a society, praise irrationality in every way over rationality. From philosophy, to economics, to science, education, and morality. We take the side of irrationality in every issue as a society, and behold its result. Look at your world of anti greed, and tell me you love it. Tell me it's a world of brotherhood, love, and plenty. A world where ethnic tensions threaten to tear apart the world, where wars become more and more common, where good men sacrifice their ideals to evil men, where year after year people become poorer and poorer.
And this is not by the estimates of me purely, as an insult but by the advocates of irrationality. They self profess to be irrational, because the universe is irrational and that is where the line "greed is destroying america" comes from.
Make it make sense
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This is the last ask ill send because im honestly tired of this whole thing
I dont know why you brought up the anon hate you got when that’s no part of the discussion. Even if it isnt your intention, you’re making yourself out of to be the victim when you arent. You say you want to get better but each time something gets pointed out you get on the defensive. I dont know why you decided to bring it up, but now that you have: Piama is indeed whitewashed on your drawing. “Warm lighting” doesnt change peoples undertones like that. Compare it to Piama’s last two cgs if you really don’t believe me.
Even if you aren’t affected, you need to be able to recognize it without poc having to tell you in order to be a good ally. I wouldn’t want a straight friend that lets people make homophobic comments about me in their presence and then hear them say “it doesn’t affect me so i couldnt tell it was homophobic so thats why i didnt defend you”. If you aren’t able to recognize it then you’ll inevitably repeat the same rhetoric. Racist rhetoric is everywhere and spewed every single day so you cant expect poc to be with you all the time and take you by the hand to tell you whats racist or not. Those are the reasons why you need to learn how to identify it by yourself, be listening to poc, by developing critical thinking skills, by not surrounding yourself with only white people. If not there’ll be more unchallenged asks such as one i saw recently that pinned poc that complained about yet another white route “stupid because they dont get that lovestruck releases routes by demand”. As if we have no concept of nuance.
No one is obliged to accept an apology, especially after what happened. I dont know where you got that idea from, especially when it concerns something that hurts people this deeply. And I didn’t point it out what happened just to be petty, I pointed it out because it isn’t an isolated event but a pattern of behavior of unchecked racist comments. That was simply the worst case: It was handled poorly, considering mod viv herself never apologized and again, swept it under the rug. The apology I saw from mod wrath was vague, didnt address the situation directly, was posted on this blog so no one knew what was going on, and was later deleted. So yeah she can apologize ten times and it still doesn’t mean we have to accept it. Especially if it’s that catastrophic because it looks like its more about saving face rather than feeling remorse, even if she did feel bad. You’re too eager to call it just “a mistake” and pin me as the unreasonable one.
And I want to ask you, have you truly seen with your own eyes an interaction where someone said to the other “if you like vinca you’re racist” and was completely serious?Or have you heard it from someone else saying that they were told that? Because considering that other anon watering down a woc’s criticism of lovestruck as “she doesnt like white people or this blog” then yeah i wouldn’t trust anything else coming from their mouths. People are getting too pressed over the millionth white woman in the app. Hell even if it happened, it’s probably what, one, two people? But you’re lumping all of us together as if its been a wave of saying that. The valid criticism surrounding Vinca is interconnected with Nahara’s release (one of the few dark-skinned women in the app) considering people kept saying they’d rather have a Vinca route when Nahara’s was announced. They’re not even willing to support it just because they want Vinca’s and that sends a message to voltage. So it simply doesnt boil down to “well its a difference in personalities”. Im gonna go as far as to say that if a woc had the same attitude as Vinca, people wouldnt be frothing at the mouth for her or they’d delve into the realm of fetishizing (as some people are bordering the line with Piama). But thats a whole other topic. And since people want to act stupid: all of the white characters in lovestruck are white because voltage made them that way. They could’ve quite easily made them a poc, but they rarely do. Think about what that means then, if youre really trying to defend yourself by saying “well they put out whats popular”
Lastly, you should really evaluate the content and beliefs you put out when racist people are still comfortable following and interacting with you. This is why i want this discussion to be public: your followers need to read this and apply it to themselves. Because considering the amount of anon hate you said you got yesterday towards the other blogger, theres a bunch of your followers who need to get off their phones and learn to care about other people and stop being racist assholes.
Believe me, I’m tired of it as well.
I brought up the anon hate because I didn’t want you to wonder why I was posting your asks in this form.
And no. Piama is not whitewashed. I took a dropper tool and took the color directly from her sprite, and if you’d looked at my blog, you would’ve seen that I sent screenshots as proof in response to that ask. But you obviously didn’t, so I’ll send them here again. (1. Without lighting. 2. With Lighting.)
If you still don’t believe me, you’re welcome to call me on Discord and I’ll share my screen and show you the entire process. And as an artist: You’d be fucking surprised what lighting does to colors.
Well, yes, I need to be able to recognize it indeed. The thing is: I can’t always. I try my best on this, and there will be moments and issues that will come up, mistakes I will make because I’m not perfect and not a machine. And in those moments, I’d love to have a friend that affectionately slaps me and says “JD, that was shit.” So I can apologize and notice it the next time. I have had multiple friends be transphobic to me in certain ways. I’ve informed them about it. They apologized and haven’t done it since. We’re still friends to this day. I do try to educate myself on racism and put in some work. I don’t expect POC to do all the work for me and explain to me how to be an ally correctly, and still - I hope they help me just as I help my cis friends with trans stuff. I can’t magically change all my behaviors and overcome internalized societal racism with the snap of a finger. If I could, I fucking would have already done it multiple times. The way it is, I’m working on it. Again - I’m sorry I didn’t point out the racist comment in the ask. I should’ve done that, and I’ll make sure to do it in the future.
You’re right no one is obliged to accept an apology. You’re right this hurts people deeply. And as I said - Mod Wrath apologized three times, including one on her personal blog which was a lot less vague. Mod Viv also apologized - to the person in question, in private. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And the thing is - if you refuse to accept her apology, that’s one thing and fully your right. And the thing is: If an apology is not going to make you forgive her, if ten are not, what do you need in order to forgive? Will you never forgive? Will you always argue it’s going to be an apology to save face when you don’t know the fact she does feel remorse? How will you see that she does?
I did hear the Vinca thing from a friend of mine. Whom I trust. Because seriously, why would you make things like that up? Who would even get the idea? I’m against the idea of believing my friends would lie to me for attention or whatever. And yeah, the criticism of that anon was unfitting - I’ve visited the blog they claimed was doing that and I found nothing of the sorts, so that comment was unfitting unless I missed something. I never intended to say that it’s all of you saying that. I intended to say that some people are handling the issue wrong. I’m sorry it came off that way. I do believe though that it’s people’s full right to say they’d have preferred Vinca over Nahara. I would’ve preferred Vinca. I still read Nahara tho. However, it’s not yours to dictate which routes other people have to support and which not. I will however agree with you that people should give Nahara a chance - it’s quite the sweet story. And I for my part would enjoy a POC Vinca just as much as a white one. (Also, side note, you’re making it appear as if everyone would either fetishize or rage over her, which is very much putting all of the “white” fanbase into the same bag, the same thing you critizised me for earlier. It’s understandable from a psychological point of view, tho, so I’m not gonna comment further.)
Yeah, Voltage makes the characters white, and that’s an issue people can only fix by demanding more POC in the ask posts and comments. Which many do, btw. They put out what is popular indeed, they put out what is demanded, and I fucking demand more POC. I want it. They could’ve made so many LIs POC and they haven’t and I’m fucking unhappy about it too! I’m not even trying to say anything else.
Yes, making this public to arouse thinking is a good policy. The followers need to read this indeed. And we didn’t get anon hate for the other blogger. We got anon hate towards us. Tons. Comments that went as far as telling mods to kill themselves. And while I agree with lots of the things you say - some of the ways you’re acting actively spark this type of hate. There is being loud about the issues you face, and then there is calling people racist assholes based on a comment they made instead of talking to them personally and telling them that’s not okay, giving them the chance to improve themselves instead of always having them stamped as a racist. Just because you’re the one who’s hurt, the one who’s morally correct, does not mean anything you say or do is good behavior.
You told me I whitewashed Piama when you, with a minute of research, could’ve found proof I didn’t. You obviously wanted the internet to see, maybe hoped I’d get exposed? Could I get an apology for that? And I promise, I’ll accept it because I’m willing to believe you’re a good person.
Summary of everything:
You’re right with lots of things.
I behaved wrong and I’m sorry.
Lovestruck has an issue with racism that we need to change together.
Together. Without toxic behavior from any side.
- Mod JD
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i think it's especially easy for neurodivergent ppl to blindly follow a community's "rules", especially when they're created by communities that overall have seemingly "good intentions". there isn't that necessary process of criticism, and context is rarely used alongside these "rules".
i randomly joined tumblr way back when, and IMMEDIATELY was like "wow, this is amazing. these ppl care about human rights and want to make the world a better place!" lol. and i began to blindly follow a lot of "rules" and cast a lot of judgements without thinking. it was pretty easy to do, considering i'd left places like youtube where (hatespeech and prejudice ideas are really common). tumblr seemed like paradise.
sure enough, i found myself saying things like "i hate men" (im he/they), "i hate white ppl" (im white), "i hate cis ppl". etc etc etc. it's really easy to like... passionately want change. and think the groups you're supporting are always right.
it's easy to make blanket statements... to follow "rules" without thinking? when your intentions are "good". i just wanted actual equality. the culture i was involved in said "these ppl are at fault, we need to change them to fix things". so i went along with it. i didn't think. i wanted to be "good".
but what about male allies. what about trans men. what about WHITE allies... do some of u gays REALLY not have a single cis person you're friends with? sorry, but theres a lotta ppl that fall into these groups who are ABSOLUTELY lovely. and also on your side.
and yet here you are, blogging about how much you hate them. throwing them under the bus based on the color of their skin, their gender, or their prefs.
just bc racist/sexist/transphobes commonly call out tumblr as a "place of hate" to try and justify their OWN hate (u know the tactic)? doesn't justify what we're doing. many of tumblr's "rules" and widespread beliefs? are inherently prejudist.
and neurodivergent ppl can just... eat this stuff up. me personally? i'm ALWAYS having to ask others "is this okay" or "am i doing this right"? it's really hard to make confident decisions on my own. so i would see "rules" as a godsend. something to trust in.
not realising that the same type of authoritarian, control-freak mentalities that exist in like... government? are also in these marginalised communities.
not to call anyone out, but i ran into yet another person with an absolutely silly dni today (ftr they seemed like a rly sweet, at most confused, younger person doin their best). but they literally were like "if someone i follow is bad, please lmk"... like? while on the surface that might seem like "oh i wanna know if someone i rb from is a secret terf" etc? i can't help but see it as "i dont know the rules! plz tell me the rules!!! i wanna do the right thing". bc i'm sorry. i see this stuff too much from atypical peeps.
there was a lot of confusing stuff in this dni. another being "if you believe there can be racism against white ppl, please dni" (the user claimed to be white btw). like... honestly? this one makes me wanna scream. bc what ppl call "racism" is usually just "prejudice". and YES prejudice actually DOES happen against white folk. your statement is an example. seriously tired of marginalised communities excusing their prejudices simply bc they're poc or gay or just whatever. like if you CHOOSE to make excuses for why hating someone based on their race or gender or sexuality is okay? you're excusing prejudice.
it even gets extra silly w the less serious "rules". like i'll see things like "no self-shipping" (its fictional), "no problematic character love" (its fictional), "you must set up/format your blog in this way" (its not your say, so if u dont like someones blog just unfollow/block omg). just a lotta weird "rules" where i KNOW these ppl got em from other cutthroat, authoritarian, self-proclaimed "good people". "no racists" is a rule that makes sense. but "no vtuber shipping"??? are... are u kidding? u know that anime youtubers are designed to be horny, right? lol... i just see a lotta stuff. too much demonizing and over WHAT? it's ridiculous.
PLEASE! for the love of GOD just TRY and use context and individual judgement. and i say this ESPECIALLY to other neurodivergent ppl. bc i get that it's really hard for ppl like us. but...
i guess i'm just tired of seeing so much hate being disguised as justice and love. and i'm tired of atypical ppl's trust being taken advantage of. i'm tired of blind rulefollowing. if tumblr communities should teach you anything, it's to be critical and analytical of morality. i know it can be difficult, but please just THINK.
#not all atypical ppl fall into this#im more just talkin about ppl like me#if you read this as hateful towards neurodivergent ppl#you really screwed up lol#long
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Unpopular opinion: i dont have,, any unpopular opinions that I havent shared yet but the way some people treat fem janus and i dunno genderbending as a whole...is kind of.. mmm at least to me.
Also um fucking let people enjoy characters they like in peace without shitting on them or claiming their somehow morally abhorrent or inherently controversial for enjoying a tss character like hhrn,,
Opinions on patton: I dont like him personally!! he makes me kind of uncomfy but i dunno he has his moments i just wish the fandom hadnt treated him the way they did,, h But yeah he used to be my favorite and some of his lines especially in early episodes r really funny OH there is ONE interpretation of patton i LOVE i cant believe i forgot about it it was a comic askblog and i actually REALLY love that patton?? he gives me martin blackwood vibes in that and it makes me :)))
Opinions on roman: :(((( i feel bad bc a LOT of ppl i care really like Roman but i just, dont have that many feelings about him and i dont think Ive ever REALLY had??? Like hes relatable with his insecurity and i just dont know :((( it doesnt click, i wanna really like him but instead im just like: hes fine but also himbo rights 🥺🥺🥺 I care him like I care Lou from a81
Opinions on Virgil: hrhrng ok let me b real here i used to RELATE to patton the most, then i hit freshman year and i LOVED virgil god i still like virgil a lot i just wish canonically he would, do better u know?? I WANT to love him so much I think he’s really funny and I can relate to him but i dont know hes just so. harsh about janus and remus and i get theres gonna be an arc and stuff its just like *shakes his bastard emo head* do better dumbass.
I think its hard 4 me to fully dislike him bc freshman year was REALLY hard and i think he became a really important character to me because he just. he had MY frustration, but as high school as gone on and Ive grown ive abandoned those frustrated feelings (they’re still there btw just i don't let them define me) I just want him to grow too. His arc didnt start and end with accepting anxiety
#patton negativity#ask to tag#virgil negativity#???? i dont know...#fandom criticism#just general tagging stuff#my feelings on vigil are....complex and pretending they arent would be a disservice to virgil and myself#tss mention
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like some peoples definition of fat is "when a character has a waist above five pixels thick" and even then they cant even say the word "fat" its only "chubby" or "thick" or "soft" or "tubby" or "fluffy" or whatever the fuck else
say the word "fat". it isnt an insult. it isnt a dirty/gross/ugly word. just say "fat"
and also make characters actually fat. dont just give them a barely visible stomach and claim its fat representation. like actually that hourglass girl isnt "fat" she is just average. that guy isnt "fat" u just gave him room for his organs
and also please PLEASE stop making every fat character either a hyperfeminine girl who wears cute dresses and is super sweet and nice/a hypermasculine chubby buff guy who always walks around shirtless and never wears anything remotely feminine. like yall do realize that mindset is so fatphobic right? like someone does not have to be super gender conforming and nice and sweet to make up for being fat bc being fat is not a bad thing. like yall do realize that right? right?
tl;dr is uhhh please stop being fatphobic 🙏 even if u think u arent its always good to step back and self-reflect just to make sure
also someone saying "hey thats fatphobic" is not a personal attack btw. and usually, that person is not some super skinny person trying to start fights, they are actually just a fat person who saw u being fatphobic and decided to point it out in the hopes that u were doing it unintentionally and would just go "oh ok i understand!"
(also being unintentionally fatphobic is not an unforgivable moral failing. like all u have to do is apologize and stop and boom ur good)
some people in this fandom claim to not be fatphobic but then are so scared of fat characters and it shows
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not over my ex yet but like at the same time like lol? fuck him. i still love his dumb ass but he rly did treat me like shit while acting like i was the real problem every time i got fed up with being treated like shit, tried to hold him to task for it, failed bcos he refuses to accept that he can be in the wrong abt shit, got frustrated and hurt bcos hed flip the blame back on me, and lashed out.
like. still love his sorry ass cuz hes my fuckin bro and i dont leave homies behind but i am gonna distance myself and live my life further away from him and his new bestieeee uwuwu ((lol what happened to me being ur bestie before we were dating bud?)) ((btw said bestie is toxic as fuck actually as ive come to discover bcos i uhhhh communicate with people and like. talk to ppl regularly instead of just like once in a blue moon)) till he stops being headass and comes to a few of his own senses abt shit and grows the hell up a bit. ((mf you got a few years on me you should know better by now than to be acting like you were/are))
also have a feelin hes gonna end up in a similar circumstance as they pulled w/ me bcos me and his ~new bestie~ pulled that same shit on someone else. so ive gotta stick around to catch his ass when he falls cuz hes gonna fall hard and it aint gonna be pretty. i told his ass i wouldnt leave him and i meant it even if he said that right back to me but tossed me away like rotten dogshit the second things got rough.
like. love this rat bastard but fuck him. seriously. he put me through an immense amount of bullshit and serious damaged my self confidence, ability to trust, my ability to trust my own reality and perceptions, and a lot of other shit. mf even made me doubt my own morals and moral integrity (which as a perfectionist, hypermoral autistic with a lot of guilt issues and a trauma based drive to fix everything i do wrong and never fuck up in a Major Way.... thats fucking kinda earthshattering) and for a while almost had me convinced that i did something i know i never would do because its /literally against one of my most stalwart core moral values/
but im not going to just leave his ass. because even though hes acting like a fucking headass idiot right now i believe in his ability to do and be better. and he may have left me when i needed it most but god. i know hes got a major storm coming in his future and i will be there for him. this storm is probably going to end up being the thing that knocks him off his high horse cuz he wouldnt listen to me before when i was telling him nicely that he needed to get down.
so motherfucker. if you aint gonna fuckin listen to me, go get your ass hurt. ill wait. and ill be here ready to help patch ur dumb ass back up. because i fuckin love you you stupid asshole. and im pissed because youre disappointing me with your fucking behavior.
until then im going to put my fucking energy into healing from what you did to me, and keep an eye on your dumb ass from a distance. and ill come back happier and better than before. and ill be better than you. im going to make myself into a better and more stable person than you. honestly, i already fucking was one. you were the biggest source of my instability and you only exacerbated all of my insecurities i shared with you while claiming you knew how best to deal with things.
im going to be better. not for you. im going to prove myself a better person than i was before and im going prove myself a better person than you. because im fucking disappointed in you for making me think that out of the two of us, somehow i was the worse one.
you may know the words “im sorry.” you may know what an apology is. but you have never used them. you have never tried to improve or change your behavior. you dont get to claim that i somehow “undid” all your work. you never did the work anyway. and id know, because ive known you for 6 years. the only reason youve ‘gotten worse’ is because you found a way to stop feeling like you need to hold yourself accountable.
i may say im sorry too much. but at least i fucking know to use the word. and im trying my best to make sure that i dont stop at only saying it.
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//tw incest
I am going to sound very messed up here, but what is so morally wrong about incest? personally, I find it gross, and its just simply revolting to imagine urself with a cousin or a sibling like that, or imagine ur kids with each other. But that's it, its gross right? People found homosexuality gross, and weird and revolting a few years ago, still do. Incest is usually considered wrong through religious ideas, mainly christianity. (but so is homosexuality). Its not very uncommon for people to marry their cousins that they don't know very well in other places and religions. I am not very sure, but I think krafft ebing, a psychology guy from 1840s distinguished homosexuality from other "strange sexual desires" (like pedophilia and necrophilia) by saying that in a practical level, theres an issue of consent. For example, in pedophilia a child cannot consent cause they dont have the brain to understand what they are consenting to, or in necrophilia, a dead body cannot simply consent. And on an emotional level, if so many people around the world are claiming to like the same sex romantically, then maybe there could be something natural about it. Now if u think, incest checks both of them. Except it wasn't as common, or not everyone had strong opinions against it, so no one talked about it. To be honest, I think it's extremely revolting and in a way, it dismisses familial love and makes it all about lust and desire I guess. But some people may claim it's okay? And especially in scenarios like those of clary and jace. Because if you see, jace and clary grew up with no familial love between them.
Also theres a biological problem with incest, and can affect the baby negatively which is another reason to not support it. But I dont think that's barely the reason why people hate jace cause he was involved in incest. People just use that as an excuse to justify their hatred at him simply because he is cishet white male. and thats hating someone on their identity, which kind of beats the whole point, doesnt it? I dont like jace at all, I dont like his character or his personality traits or his story or the way his character was written or the way he was glorified or the way he was the main uk, but I dont hate him because he is privilaged and I dont hate him because he made some mistakes. The only thing i like about him is infact that he shows that people can grow, that people can learn and get better. ofc some shit that he did was bad and inexcusable, but that's the beauty of human nature. Not everyone of us is born in a happy accepting family, is at this as a brown person who comes from a conservative family. We aren't taught to accept and love everyone or be politically correct since birth. People make stupid jokes, do mistakes and only then, they learn! he is learning and that's what the readers need to know: that they can change themselves and forgive others if they try and become better too. Um I need to be clear that this doesnt have to be an opinion. I do not care for incest and it doesnt affect me at all, and for most part it disgusts me to um think about it. But I did a project on this in english, hence the krafft ebing reference, and it got me thinking. I am hoping that there isnt a large and obvious moral reasoning against this because that would be humiliatingly embarrassing ha. Also u totally dont have to respond to this at all if u aren't comfortable or think it may cause havoc. I am sorry if this made u uncomfortable in any way.
go bro, create havoc
sincerely, you know who
Anon really jumped from questioning the morality of incest to calling out Jace haters, huh? 🤣🤣
Okay, hmm, I don’t really know what to add to this. Anon already put it beautifully... I mean, I would be lying if I said I’d never wondered why incest is considered wrong apart from the whole babies thing (which just sounds like eugenics shit btw), and that thing about Krafft ebbing is really interesting ngl 👀
And Jace and Clary... yeah, it’s complicated. They didn’t grow up together, and they caught feelings for each other way before Valentine tricked them into believing they were related, and it’s not like romantic feelings have an off button so they could simply stop being in love 😂 I mean, obviously it’s okay if you didn’t like the incest plotline but holding it against the characters is uhh stupid.
So is hating characters simply because they’re privileged like... if you think about it they’re not privileged at all they’re literally just lines on a piece of paper, they’re just puppets. Even the most marginalised people have more rights than Jace Herondale does.
But all that aside, I completely agree with what you said about growing up sheltered/ in a conservative family like people aren’t just born with 100% wokeness and it doesn’t help that in conservative families they’re surrounded by adults who fill them with conservative garbage and it takes time to unlearn what you picked up as a child.
Welp, imma just post this and see where it goes, I guess 😂😂😂
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