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Danny was utterly unamused with current situation.
current situation being he was stuck as phantom babysitting his own corpse. because apparently if you summon a Halfa just the wrong way they get split into a full ghost and a zombie which currently was trying to climb a fire escape for some ancients forsaken reason!! why'd they even summon some protector spirit from Illenois? why is it doing a backflip? How does it know how???
what's worse is he's currently in Gotham because Jazz wanted to go to Gotham U and his parents decided it was a good idea to do a family vacation together in the America's most crime ridden city. and he hasn't got a chance to tell them yet about the whole halfa thing and he's not telling them now while HOLY SHIT HOW HE GOT IMPALED he looked away for ONE MOMENT!!
Danny just lost track of his corpse... in gotham
why's his zombie so restless again?
the bats are now looking at a ghost who is chasing a talon around gotham. which is concerning.
danny meanwhile:
Phantom: Daniel James Fenton YOU WILL NOT COMMIT MURDER LIKE THAT
Talon Danny's corpse: 🦉
#dpxdc#i just saw something about a possibility of a ghost and a zombie forming from one person and thought#danny phantom#then i got an ✨idea✨#Talon Danny#because crack#don't ask why#it just happened he looked away for five minutes his body got away and lost in the sewers#i crave chaos#damn i want to read that#Batfam are confused
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im going to lose my mind
#i'm so sorry for the rant vent whatever sorry if this is a triggering topic to you#im kinda just filling dead air until the tags are long enough to cut off#sorry for ranting i need to get this out somehow#ed tw#jesus christ there is SO MUCH STUFF in this house#so much fucking chips i bought before the restriction got hardcore#so much shit my mom bought bc we had guests and was completely useless#so much fucking stuff#i can't fucking stand it#i want to get rid of it i need to get rid of it so badly#i did a pretty okay job not buying anything or getting anything out to dedicate myself to emptying at least my stuff#but the end of summer break is closing in and i'm about to have a very eventful week and school again and and and#and the chips were like. i asked my parents for help. to eat them up over time. and there's still. so much.#and i'm so scared of it#i'm so fucking terrified of it#i don't crave it#i don't want it#i'm so afraid i'll eat a pack and then hmmm no actually i didn't like that enough let's eat something else now#it makes me want to puke#but there's still so much stuff#and my dad still buys fucking pastries and shit#and there's so many bottles of caloric full sugar stuff in the cellar#and i just want to eat stuff i WANT i can't stand this bullshit anymore#by the end of the week i'll have plenty of social eating situations while the clutter problem STILL isn't solved#i want to dunk my big dumb head in the toilet bowl and drown there#if i had lived alone i'd have thrown everything away already#cuz i can't figure out how to give it away#but no my parents would know#and they or we are gonna eat this eventually#which. with them as a Designated Meal is kinda the only way i feel pretty okay about eating some of that stuff. so that's good.
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Might as well post this here for posterity, since Youtube has yet to resolve the matter.
A couple of weeks ago, my short film 'Pleasant Inn' got a false copyright strike from an individual named Kazi Zidane Mim. He has been striking any Youtube channel that reacted to my short film in the hopes of uploading his own stolen version titled 'Paradise Hell.'
For comparisons, here is my original short film:
[This is a horror animation and contains flashing lights, so viewer discretion is advised]
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And here is Kazi Zidane's stolen version:
Kazi Zidane Mim has a history of just flat out stealing.
As an example, this is his 'Bloody Mary graphic novel,' which is actually a manga called 'Ibitsu,' with only the text/dialogue changed.
He's literally just selling this on Google Books and Amazon without any push-back.
I also found out that he has a Sketchfab account.
Why is this important? Because Sketchfab offers a great library of 3D models made by other artists, such as this animated deer by Games in Motion Studios;
Look familiar?
I'm sure coincidences are possible, tho 🦌
Kazi Zidane even made a bogus IMDB page of my stolen short.
And to add insult to injury...
So far, Youtube hasn't done anything about this and I'm tired of waiting. Many channels have received false copyright strikes by Kazi Zidane Mim just for reacting to 'Pleasant Inn' since 2019.
#cinemamind#horror#pleasant inn#stolen art#I don't even feel bad for putting him out there because now he'll get the notoriety he desperately craved from stealing#I will add this to my continued distrust and disdain for generative AI because it is ONLY ever used for grifting and stealing#and poisoning the Earth#also why is Hotel spelled like that? I mean I know WHY but ≋w≋h≋y≋?#also the imdb estimates the budget as $10000 and gurrrrl I WISH I had 10K when making Pleasant Inn#flash warning
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Accepting isolation, craving belonging
#art#digital art#comic#long post#this is kind of vent?#I don't want to be all I had a rough childhood wahh#I just find it bizarre to have so many little aspects of my childhood shape me#I crave isolation#I thrive in isolation#But I want to belong#I want to intimately know someone#and I want someone to intimately know me#This is to all the people who have loved me#even if we dont talk anymore#i love you and have loved you and i want nothing but for you to be happy#original post
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Hi, Howdy! Hey! I really love your novel!! I got a little confused by the 4 day, may maybe you help me please? who is it? why we got the bad end staying the night in Ren’s apartment and he disappear of the home screen? I can’t understand “unset memory” game, sorry if I wrote smth wrong or smth sounds rude, I swear that I didn’t mean it if happened, I’m really a fan of the novel, I’ve been playing the game since day 1 or 2 I guess, probably day 1, english isn’t my first language, but I tried lol
⌞♥⌝ I hope you don't mind me answering these as bullet points!! ^^
"It" will be revealed later in the game! So I won't reveal too much right now.
You can only get the Dead End in Day 4 by staying at Ren's apartment — the rest of your choices before that don't matter. I'd also pay closer attention to the black smoke and Ren's reaction towards it!
Ren disappears from the home screen because he promised to help the player out (and stop them from getting the Dead End again). Try replaying the game again from the beginning for a surprise!
"Unsent Memories" was another visual novel (initially being written by @10chimes / @unsentmemory, though the project has since been dropped and handed back to me /pos) and is set in the same universe as 14 Days With You. Its storyline and characters are completely separate from 14DWY, so you don't have to worry about them while playing 14DWY.
#I don't think a lot of people know this but River was originally my OC lmao#Obviously BEFORE Jesse picked him up and turned him into an entirely different character /pos#We originally planned for Riv and Ren to have a Billy and Stu dynamic; except River would pretend to be a himbo—#— The same way Ren would pretend to be some Normal Empathetic Guy™️ kjgskg#River was also going to be a lovesick serial killer who incapacitated Bunny so that they'd stay with & depend on him forever#Also because Jesse and I wanted to have a ''same production factory; different yandere'' kind of vibe with Riv and Ren (and their dynamic)#Like... Ren puts Angel above himself and craves THEIR satisfaction whereas River cares about himself and prioritises HIS own satisfaction#Ren would hit his best friend (River) with a car if it meant keeping Angel happy & by his side forever#River would hit Bunny with a car if it meant keeping them by his side forever (thus making him happy)#But!! After everything that's happened in the yandere community; Jesse (understandably) wanted to get away from that kind of environment#So he's since dropped Unsent Memories and hasn't really got any plans to work on it again or return to da yan vn circle#I'm also continuing to write 14DWY the way it was originally planned (with 2017!River only getting a brief cameo to serve up some lore </3)#—But I'm lowkey holding out just in case Jesse ever considers returning hehe :3 I like their version of River and I wanna do him justice#Until then though?? I'll yearnfully clutch my locket and wait for my lover to return from war.... (she has a literal 9-5 job now) /hj /p#GKJSDG I scrolled up and??? NOT ME RANTING IN THE TAGS AGAIN?????????? WHY DO I UNINTENTIONALLY YAP SO MUCH#I will 🤫🤐 now#💌 — answered.#💖 — 14 days with queue.#🖤 — shut up sai.#to be tagged later#weird0nerd
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the way you wrote PBF soap’s pregnancy kink rotted my brain in the best way possible I would give you all the money in my bank account if you wrote more of the breeding/pregnancy kink/“““accidentally””” knocking up the reader wjth soap (or ghost! or price!!) 🥺🫶🏽💞💞💞💞
asdfsdgs I know, I can't help it.
Price is staring down at you while fucking missionary when he thinks that you'd make a good mom. You've always been so attentive to him ever since you started working for him, anticipating his every need and always quick to lend a hand. Price can't help but picture how attentive you'd be to your own child, to his child; how he'd feel if you knocked on his office door and came in with his baby bouncing on your hip. He has both your hands pressed down against the bed and fingers interlocked when he decides he's not pulling out. He draws you into a deep, wet kiss to muffle your little gasps and whines before pounding you harder, chasing his own release.
Ghost has never been particularly interested in having kids. With his own childhood and upbringing, he's always quietly suspected that he wouldn't make the best father. That any kid he sired would inevitably end up being just as messed up as him. It's only when he's railing you from behind in a grimy gas station bathroom after hours on the road, both of you sweaty and in need of a shower and coffee, his hand fisted in your hair that he realizes that for all his reservations, he doesn't have any about you. He wants to keep you bound to him, inextricably linked to him for as long as you live. It's what makes him shift his stance and drive into you with renewed vigour, muffling your sounds with two fingers shoved into your mouth.
Soap gets so lost in his pleasure that he sometimes doesn't even remember that you're on the other end of it. Everything is hot and wet and tight, and it makes his mind go numb, his only thought to chase that pleasure, to get closer to you, to pound so hard that he almost bruises your cervix. He goes so crazy that sometimes he'll bite your cheek or gnaw at the space between your neck and shoulder, sucking dark, mean hickies into your skin. When he comes, it's almost absentminded, never even thinking to warn you. His come just dripping down your inner thighs, and his brain goes blank when he pulls out and plays with it, not paying any attention to how you squawk about not being on the pill. Whatever. Get pregnant.
#I don't even particularly WANT to ever get pregnant#but an evil demon lives in my brain that craves breeding kink#soap is like plap plap plap get pregnant get pregnant#IMS ORRY LMAOO#ceil writing#cod mw2#cod x reader#ghost/reader#soap x reader#soap/reader#price x reader#price/reader#ghost x reader
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You all know I love soft feedist themes - they're my ride-or-die constant in my personal kink life - but soft feedists have GOT to start doing some more reflection on the ways we talk about our kink because I am seeing post after post saying things like "I like soft feedism so much better than other kinds of feedism because only soft feedists want connection with their partner and treat their partner with respect and like they're a whole human being, and can balance kink and real life because of how wholesome and nice our kink is."
Not only is that super ignorant and condescending towards people who aren't into soft feedism, who are no more or less capable than you are at healthy kink practices and treating their play partners with respect and love, but it's also a really unhealthy pattern for so many members of our community to say things that reinforce the stereotype that hard dom/sub dynamics and fatphobia play are abusive or unhealthy, or that they are in any way excepted from risk-aware consensual kink (RACK) practices.
When these beliefs become widespread, it means people newer to feedism get the message that any abuse they experience from partners is par for the course if they want to engage in anything but soft feedism. If you're labeling soft feedists as the healthy, supportive, respectful feedists, it means you're ultimately dismissing a huge portion of feedists as 'barbarous' or 'beyond saving', and regardless of whether that's true or not, you're showing yourself as willing to abandon those feedees you see as subjecting themselves to abuse and disrespect instead of working to make sure that every single feedist knows that ALL feedism IS healthy, IS respectful, IS about connection and intimacy when the scene is over. Anything else isn't feedism: it's abuse, exploitation, harassment, rape culture, and fatphobia.
It's also extremely important to decouple in your head that any particular identity or way of being, whether it's identity labels that correspond with your kink fantasies, gender or sexual orientation, or anything else is *inherently* safe; trustworthy; and capable of healthy, respectful, and deep interpersonal connection. The fact that you like popping mini muffins into your partner's mouth in front of a fireplace instead of pretending to force your partner to funnel a weight gain shake doesn't mean you magically know how to communicate well, practice adequate aftercare, or listen to your partner's needs. It doesn't mean you are more knowledgeable about fatphobia. Preferring cuddling and gentle feedings doesn't make you a supportive person to be around or make you incapable of creating a controlling, hurtful, pressured, or shaming environment. We have to learn these things explicitly, we have to practice them, and we have to keep practicing them.
It does you and your potential partner/s a disservice to be actively creating these blind spots in your mind where you never have to examine your own actions or patterns of behavior because you're a Soft Feedist, so that means you're automatically "good." On a community level, you are creating a culture where abuse and mistreatment can go unchecked because "we're soft feedists so that means we're all nice".
That's a culture that makes it harder for people experiencing abuse and mistreatment to speak up. If abuse doesn't happen here, maybe I'm just imagining it and making a big deal over nothing. If abuse doesn't happen here, am I going to ruin the image of soft feedism if I speak up? Will people even believe me that another soft feedist could be mistreating me since everyone knows the people here are so nice and wholesome and care about their partners?
I'll say it again: ALL feedism is respectful, ALL feedism is consensual, ALL feedism is about mutual connection and intimacy, and ALL feedism means treating others as whole autonomous human beings. Claiming otherwise hurts all of us, including other soft feedists.
#I was scrolling I was moving on I was ignoring those posts but y'all keep putting that shit on my dashboard!#I know I say this a lot but I'll stop talking about it when I stop seeing new posts by soft feedists going on about how superior they are#It's also the implication that 'hard feedists' don't crave intimacy or connection or love their partners that irritates the crap out of me
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I don't normally share active wips, but since I mentioned in a previous post how Lost Oasis has a scene similar to one I had written in a wip I've been working on, I've decided to share it. I may scrap it or I may rework it to align more with the canon material.
This wip is basically an intimate (emotional and sexual) Sylus/Reader sexy domestic slice of life fluff, because I have needs. Really bad needs. 🥺👉👈
The scent of your peach body wash had become more familiar each night, the sweet fragrance clung to Sylus’ body after every shower when he would climb into bed with you. Your hands traversed his bare torso, gliding over smooth skin as you furrowed your brows. “Like what you see?” he teased, but when you didn’t react, Sylus reached out, lifting your chin to meet his concerned gaze. “What’s wrong?” “You don’t have any scars,” you murmured, your hands still skimming over his body in examination. “You sound disappointed,” Sylus quipped with a deep chuckle, but he paused almost immediately when you looked up, staring at him with a worried expression. He was quiet briefly before speaking more seriously, “A benefit of my Evol, if you will.” “Then…how many times have you been injured?” “Does it matter?” he looked at you with a gentle smile, reaching out to tuck strands of your hair behind your ear. You appreciated the affectionate gesture, but it didn’t mask the fact that he was pointedly ignoring your question. You nodded firmly, refusing to let this conversation end. Sylus looked conflicted. “It’s a good thing you can’t see any scars,” he insisted. You touched his bicep. “Were you injured here?” He sighed, and nodded. “Yes.” You looked frantically around his body before your hand randomly touched his right shoulder. “Here?” “Yes.” Your mind continued to race with increasing anxious thoughts. You touched his thigh. Sylus nodded. You reached up and touched his chest, your hand near his heart. You paused, your face paling, already knowing the answer to this one. It had all happened so quickly, and even now you could still feel your finger pulling that trigger. Sylus grabbed your wrist, pulling away. “Don’t think about it,” he said firmly, “I did it.” “But…” His hands held your face, pulling you to him, capturing your lips to swallow your words. You felt like you were choking, his kisses suffocating you as your mind was in turmoil from both the guilt of what you did and the painful knowledge of never knowing how often he was injured or how severe they were. Sylus broke the kiss when he felt you sobbing against him. He looked at you with concern, not understanding what had led the two of you to this point. Instinctively, he pulled you into his lap, surprised when you lay against him almost instantly, your arms wrapped around his body, cheek pressed against his chest. He could feel the trembles in your body, knowing you were barely keeping your emotions in check. “I’m not hurt,” he said, fingers already threading through your hair as comfort. “I know,” you whispered back, tightening your hold around him. You could barely keep your voice steady, afraid that just one wrong word could break this dam and unleash all of the tears you were holding back. “But,” he started, peering down at the top of your head, “this is nice.” You looked up curiously, meeting his soft crimson gaze. He leaned down, his warm breath ghosted over your lips, making you shiver even more in his embrace. “Having you worried about me,” he said, elaborating further, “Caring about me.” Sylus drew your lips to his again, this time gentler, more tender. You responded, hearing a pleased hum from him as his hands moved down your body. “Sylus—” He guided your hands back to his body. “I just hate to see you cry over me, sweetheart.” You blinked back your tears. [INSERT EMOTIONAL COMFORT SEX SCENE I HAVEN’T WRITTEN YET LMAO]
#love and deepspace#love and deepspace sylus#love and deepspace x reader#sylus x reader#x — fanfics ⋆ wips#ok my jaw literally dropped when i read lost oasis#not because sylus was practically naked#because let's face it that's just on brand behavior of him now lol#but i was like#am i reading my fic????#we're actually getting the soft emotional sylus/mc i desperately crave???#🥺#anyway#i'll just rewrite this scene to make it canon compliant#because i still like it#and i just realized it leads into two follow-up scenes#and i don't want to get rid of those scenes#because they're heckin' cute istg#/end yapping
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fantasizing about nice long make out sessions inside of a cozy blanket fort w/ good music playing in the background
#3:33#things i want#things i crave#i wish i wish i wish#pls#don't mind me#lmaoo#late night post#mine#my post#text post#text
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I need zayne to come up behind me, lift his arms in front of me, slowly, his left hand wrapping around my waist, rubbing small circles into my side with his thumb, his right hand lifting up and across my chest to rest on my shoulder as he pulls me into his chest, burying his face into the crook of my neck, letting all the stress and tension of the long day melt away, cause right now, he's not Dr Zayne, who is precise, serious, and stem, but the soft, sweet, and clumsy zayne we know and love, cause right now, in that moment where it's just us in our quiet bedroom, he can be himself
#love and deepspace#l&ds#lads#love and deepspace mc#zayne love and deepspace#lads zayne#love and deepspace x reader#zayne x mc#zayne x reader#zayne fluff#dr zayne#dawnbreaker and i feel the same pain of not being able to actually hold the one we love as they don't exist in our world/time#the domesticity of it all#i crave his touch#i need his hands on me#no words
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Sorted my folders and I actually added a dialogue to this?
#I think it sounds cute. I wonder why I chose to post the dialogue-less one?#I think about them a lot too. (◕ᴗ◕✿)#Aw man I need to draw more PinkPearlxSpinel stuff. My vein craves for them. Ajahsjsbjdndjdn problem tho#Volleyball's character type is. like. my forte. Spinel tho.. (๑•﹏•) I always have trouble with giving her any dialogue because#I don't know her accent. And that's a problem cause I sometimes resort to comics since I'm weak at relaying a story with just one image. 😭#repost#my shiz#VolleyNel#OP is blabbering at 1 am#OP will go to sleep now#SU#spinearl
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In honor of many people getting their Sifplushes, can we have a little Loopplush? Plushloop? Loop plushie?
DAY 86: the visage of the beast
#codacheetah#isat#loop isat#siffrin isat#loopplush returns#god you can carbon date this ask by the fact i got it when the wave of sifplush came out#anyways if you've forgotten about. the creature#why dont you click the link#don't step at me for it beingdrawn different than the picture i've since fixed the spikes#well i say that. but currently loopplush is laying in a bowl filled with their beads in a pile of fabric#i must resew the beast once more#i had to look up a picture of sif plushie for this. i forgot how mopey he looks. sad wet creature. craves milk#oh edit the falling from the sky part is in direct reference to the twitter qna#hashtag deep cut
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[...] He presses a quick peck to her lips before crouching down until he’s level with her stomach. He leans forward and peppers kisses around her belly button, rubbing soothing circles against the extended skin with his hands. “And I missed you too, littlest one,” he whispers. “I wanna give the baby a kiss too!” Neteyam says, crowding against Jake to leave his own kiss on the curve of Neytiri’s belly. Jake laughs and scoots over, making room for the baby's big brother to show his love. Kiri shifts and leans into Neytiri’s side, causing Neytiri to wrap an arm around their daughter. Kiri places a hand on her mother’s belly and pats it gently as if reassuring the baby that she’s there and ready to be the best big sister possible. Lo’ak pushes himself under Jake’s arm and curls into his side – his little arms tight around Jake’s neck. He doesn’t offer to kiss or touch Neytiri’s belly. Out of all the kids, he’s the one struggling with the idea of a new sibling the most. Jake thinks it’s just because Lo’ak has been the baby for as long as he can remember and is afraid of his place in the family being usurped. Jake hopes that once the baby is born, Lo’ak will realize that he isn’t being replaced and grow to love his new sibling. [...]
-Chaos Theory by WriterInWhite
this scene was just sooooooooo cute, I had to draw it!! 😭 this is the kind of fic we need more of plz fandom im begging
#go read the fic now it was very sweet#granted it does do the ''na'vi purr'' thing which i still don't buy into personally but w/e#still had exactly the sully family fluff/shenanigans i crave so very much ;w;#avatar#avatar 2#sully family#jeytiri#jake sully#neytiri#neteyam#kiri#lo'ak#my art#spent like two weeks on this thing hope u like it ;w;#[edit] ah shoot of course now i'm finding unblended bits of the shading layers AFTER posting -_- such is life i guess
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ep 43 had me tearing up in a fucking shopping centre ‼️‼️
b+w alt version that I truly couldn't decide if I liked it more . Also I included a lot of thoughts in the tags but they're somewhat incoherent<3
#i dont know what i expected but i was waiting for a friend and too excited to wait until later#malevolent podcast#john doe#john doe malevolent#john malevolent#malevolent fanart#grimm art#ep 43#ep 43 left me with a lot of thoughts ... i didnt quite like how much of a recap it felt like at times but that might#be because ive been relistening and like yeah everyone knows that john 🙄 but that's not the case for everyone and with monthly uploads#things get forgotten easily#i find the discussion of “humanity” so interesting because John has shown that without someone that he has forcibly grown to value as an#equal... something he cannot do as the king of yellow as he is superior to all of his realm and presumably stays out of other elder god's#anyway. without that equality and enviroment to grow he fails to reach his goal of compassion and falls onto old ways.#John. The King in Yellow. shown by both times each has found themselves in human form do not just crave power and influence!!!#THEY CRAVE COMMUNITY!!! an endrich being not born or raised with nothing but power and ego#CRAVES COMMUNITY.#His goal of “humanity” is not a selfless goal like John projects - it is ultimately somewhat selfish as he does not want to be alone!!#which makes this desire so much more human#i don't know maybe this is just me spelling out whats already there but the way john and the witch argued about humanity frustrated me#it felt like they were missing the point or that perhaps the “good/evil” “black/white” retoric was already realised by me and john needed#realise it himself . which is fair !!!#i dont know!!!!#the witch was talking about how bad everyone was and how humanity is cruel and john was talking about Lily (#who also frustrates me how shes used in the plot somewhat she was literally just a nurse doing her job bro#) but to John - yes internally he is struggling with his moral greyness and im so proud of him for growing being himself SO PROUD#JUST.!!! he wants community. he needs community. he loves his friend. 'humanity' at its core does not matter as long as you try to be bette#and i think thats awesome and i really enjoyed the episode#guhh im rambling enjoy my tag rambling i dont know i want john to have more friends :(#yorrick can be another friend godd i love you yorrick so silly
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'How many times you been caught with your hand where it doesn't belong?'
PICKUP ON SOUTH STREET (1953), written and directed by Samuel Fuller
#oldhollywoodedit#classicfilmsource#classicfilmedit#pickup on south street#jean peters#richard widmark#CUCKOO IN THE HEAD#this pairing has me in a chokehold please send help#they created a standard of perfect noir ship that scratches such a specific part of my brain it's ridiculous#i forgive all of the red scare hysteric bullshit just for this moment alone#even if i still don't know HOW this !!!opening!!! scene got past the censors#a big scale eyefucking AND pickpocketing as a metaphor for penetration???#SPECTACULAR NEVER THE SAME TOTALLY UNIQUE COMPLETELY NOT EVER BEEN DONE BEFORE#*turns up the heat a bit and laughs maniacally*#shitty things i do for love#memory of craving wantwantwant and the mouth ashes#classic hollywood#1950s
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I've been having this feeling ever since Troy Saga, but I mourn the fact that this is only audio. Jorge singlehandedly sings like Odysseus crawled out of his throat and scraped his vocal chords on the way out. I mourn that this isn't a series or a movie just so I could also obsess over how Jorge would translate his singing to body language and acting choices too?????? Delightful
#absolutely gorgeous#epic the musical#epic the ithaca saga#jorge rivera herrans#DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE CAST#TEAGAN AS ATHENA DESERVES TO BREAK ARES'S BLADE FOR HIS HATER LINE IN GOD GAMES#I DESERVE ANTINUOUS AND POSEIDON AND POLITES AND TIRESIAS AND AND AND#I DESERVE EVERYONE AS EVERYONE#yes i am craving jorge as odysseus sniping the suitors with a bow and arrow???? and????
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