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maddyshome · 1 year ago
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im a woman and i hate inuyasha like i cannot believe this was written by a woman. im sorry but huh what the hell do you mean a 7ish year old child gets with some 100+ year old MAN. stop. look at yourself before deciding this stuff. are you a feminist or are you contributing to this digusting culture?
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mal3vol3nt · 1 month ago
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https://www.tumblr.com/longing-for-rain/755847912227028992/here-we-observe-the-aang-boymom-in-its-natural?source=share
Hi! I'm curious on your thoughts of this meta.
hi anon! so sorry for keeping you waiting with this response, i know it’s been months. unfortunately this probably isn’t gonna be the response you wanted to hear—me breaking down this zk brainrot rant and subverting their claims with canon content. please allow me to explain though (this is gonna be long sorry):
the reasons i’ve been slow to answer this ask and others that have sent me zk rants are:
since joining atla twitter (@arrsapphics if you’re cool) i’ve been exposed to a lot more zk coke-fueled rants and just do not have the energy to torture myself by willingly reading their shit
a lot of these zutara stans on tumblr are a lot more deranged and genuinely horrible people now that i’ve been exposed to the twitter zks. of course, zks are stupid and ship-obsessed on every platform and some of them (one in particular comes to mind—if you’re on twitter then you know) are genuinely just as bad, but i feel the ones on here have a special type of hatred considering they can tag their posts to ensure their hate stays within the echo chamber
CONTENT WARNING: RAP3
the second reason is the biggest part of why i will no longer entertain posts from longing-for-rain. i have recently found out via twitter that they write rape fanfiction of katara. being a chronically online shipper is one thing but to write fanfic of katara being raped so that zuko can save her is truly where i have to disengage. they have also posted rants of them analyzing katara’s body in the show, measuring the size of her breasts and hips to support the delusions in their head about this 14 year old girl. i truly cannot engage with this person’s rants as if they’re just regular shipping war bullshit. this person is a sick individual who not only projects onto a 14 year old brown indigenous character but also sexualizes and adultifies her
for these reasons, i refuse to read a rant posted by her and other big zk blogs on this app. people who take their obvious fetishes and racism and project them onto underaged asian and indigenous characters have gained too much attention from me on this blog. i can’t continue reading rants from these people and analyzing them because i know these people are not treating this show and its characters under an appropriate lens and arguing with their points will do absolutely nothing but enrage me, other people in the ka fandom, and fuel their delusions with our anger as “proof” their arguments hold any weight. on twitter, i’ll continue interacting with what comes up on my tl from my atla moots and if that includes shitting on a deranged zk then fine. but on tumblr i refuse to engage, especially since this app has a tagging system that i use religiously
and i would like to encourage anyone who reads this to also refuse to take this person’s rants seriously and look at them as nothing more than cope-hatred by a sick individual with sick fantasies and thoughts about these minor characters. of course, if you choose to still engage then i won’t stop you and will probably like and reblog your posts 😭
i will just no longer willingly click on links to their rants and subject myself to their bullshit. however, if you’d like for me to argue against zk claims then you are more than welcome to send me a summary of what they’ve said and i’ll do my best to organize a response! i absolutely do not want to discourage anyone from sending me asks because i truly do enjoy answering yalls questions and i love knowing that people like hearing what i have to say on these things lol. please, send me asks about anything and everything! just please understand that i won’t be clicking any links to their posts and blogs or be entertaining anything that comes from the three main delusional zk blogs 🙏
i hope this has made sense and again, i’m sorry anon for taking so long to answer this ask and for not giving the expected response 🫶
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worstdisastermaster · 2 months ago
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Why is Freyr a solar god?
Author’s note or whatever:
So, a while back, I was curious. (Which honestly sounds like the reason i could claim for all my issues lol) Im an Apollo stan, right? So,, I kept seeing things hinting to Freyr and his connection with the sun. So, ofc, I was confused. Sol’s a thing- I know that myth. Sooo, why is freyr connected to the sun??? Naturally, I decided to do research about it instead of my homework at the time, meaning my notes for the class were mixed with my unfiltered thoughts about what I was learning about Freyr. (Honestly it was pretty hilarious going through it) I absorbed the knowledge and continued on with my life, never clearing up the notes or even trying to source where it all came from. You know, like an idiot.
Welll, i have been asked by an amazing person to share my thoughts, so you can imagine me scuttling away and click-clacking on my school computer to dig through old notes and try to find both old sources and new and throw this together. (I like to talk about things im interested in lol. Im so happy to share XD and infodump.) I apologize if this doesn't make sense or anything- I’ve never really done anything like this before lol, though im excited to start :D aaand the intro is far too long already. Okay MOVING ON.
Disclaimer: I cannot tell you the exact facts about the worship the Norse had for the heavens originally, because no one knows. All of this is speculations from people much smarter than i that i’m trying to piece together and condense. Take this all with an entire freaking pillar of salt XD
So. Want to know how many deities I’ve pieced together, as being associated with the sun/moon (seriously associated lol)? I’m sure you do, because im going to go over all of them. Lol.
six. Six entire deities. (... maybe even seven, or 9, or MORE)
Sol and Mani, of course. Freya and Freyr, the whole point of this. Baldr and Nanna. Probably more I forgot. And a gajillion other things associated- boars and horses and ships and shields and birds and- Loads and loads of different things.
SO. I’m going to explain them individually and then walk you all through what I understand about it all.
(also please note that this is all like. Paraphrased from the websites and organized and stuff. I dont want yall to read this then look at the sources and think ‘why r these so similar’ XD its ‘cause they are. This is more like my research + commentary then me being an expert or anything lol)
Sol and Mani
Like all the others I’m going to go over, there are a variety of versions about this- I’m only going to do some of them. Lol.
Sol and Mani are siblings. In one version, they were created with the cosmos, and had literally no purpose or anything. The gods saw, and created the different parts of the day and year and phases of the moon, then placed them under Sol and Mani’s care. And thus, Sol and Mani rode through the sky on chariots, and fled the wolves Skoll (Mockery) and Hati (Hate), which is the reason for their speed, and why they move across the sky at all. When ragnarok begins and everything goes to Hela in a handbasket, (...thats an absurd image XD) the wolves will finally manage to catch up to them and eat them, as they've literally always wanted to do. (Honestly, what dedication tho-)
In some versions of the above, there’s a guy named Svalinn who protects Midgard (earth) from the might of the sun with a shield. Which is great, since both land and sea would catch on fire and everything and everyone would die if he didn’t. (Everyone, say ‘thanks, Svalinn’!)
In another version, both Sol and Mani are children of a mortal man named Mundilferi. (His name might mean “The one moving according to particular times” which, yah know, vaguely implies the movement of celestial bodies in the sky. Then there's the thought that Mundil is derived from Mund, which means “period of time”- which may be a kenning [kind of a funny word I’ll explain again later. It references a thing thats like, a cross between an allusion and an epithet and metaphor and references and a whole bunch of other things. Basically, it means they say one thing but mean another- they just said the first because it sounded fancy. And you would be expected to puzzle it together because you already knew what they were referencing and everything] for the moon. Which is kind of interesting if we take it literally, since its another instance of the moon being male and the sun being female, which isnt as common as one might think. [norway’s also different in that they imagine the moon being born before the sun- so the day begins from the night, like the year from winter. Kudos to ancient norway for being original]) Etymology aside, this guy has two kids. Basically, they’re so wonderful and beautiful that he named them after the moon and sun, and gave Sol to be wedded to a guy named Glenr (which means ‘opening in the clouds’).
In this version, the sun came from a sperk in Muspelheim and was pulled through the sky in a driverless chariot. Unfortunately, the gods took the names personally, and were like, “Oh, you named your kids ‘sun’ and ‘moon’? Don’t worry, thats cool, they can be the sun and moon then! Wouldn’t that be nice? We’ll make sure their names are accurate, dont you worry your stupid little mortal ‘brain’” ‘cause they were offended or whatever. So, as punishment, they are stuck being the moon/sun forever- until Fenrir eats Sol (and mani, presumably) during ragnarok, that is. Then her daughter will take her place, which is funny since everyone will be dead, so noooot sure how that works, but I digress. Im not sure about mani’s heir- forgot to find a source for that lol XD I do know that he either kidnapped or adopted, depending on the variation, two kids to help him out.
Ive also heard of versions where the sun and moon are actually the very wolves chasing sol and mani, and they simply lead the wolves across the sky in an eternal loop. (that ones my favorite, because d o g g o)
Lots and lots of different versions of sol and mani- more than i’m putting here. This is enough to give you the general gist, though, and since this isn’t focused on them, weeeeee’re moving on.
Baldr and Nanna
These two are quite interesting to me. For one, I’m not actually certain if Nanna is, in fact, considered a moon deity- half of the sources on her say yes, at least kind of, and half dont mention it at all. She’s pretty mysterious- not much is known about her except that she’s baldr’s wife. Even her name has a ton of possible meanings- none of the sources i looked up in my half-hearted search had the same idea for her etymology. (read: i didnt look that hard lol) Her heritage is equally debatable. She’s maybe a daughter of Nepr, who might be Odin’s son- or she she’s possibly the daughter of mani (hmm)- or the sister to sygn, or- she’s not the focus, so i moved on lol.
Baldr, on the other hand…
He’s not always the sun, or even sunshine, but he is always light. And everyone loves him, and its not a huge secret that he’s basically Jesus-ified all throughout the myths we know.
He’s absolutely perfect in literally every single conceivable way- unlike his brother, who’s the god of darkness to his light, and grumpy and rude and generally unlikable, and possibly the freaking embodiment of sin according to some sources. Oh and, he’s also blind. (Love the way ancient representation worked 9-9) He basically exists to make Baldr look better, from what i understand, which is hardly cool at all. Especially ‘cause of how ableist that is. But I digress.
So, Baldr, who’s ‘white as a daisy’ (lol) with a ‘snowy’ brow that im assuming just means that he’s extremely white (its also continuously described as shining… im just gonna make a leap and say its probably not the ancients saying he’s just really greasy…), and has golden locks likened to sunshine. He’s innocence and beauty and light and purity and all that jazz.
Even though he’s so popular, he’s most known for his death, which is kiiiiiinda twisted if you think about it for a sec. Anyway, blah blah blah not the point of this blah blah blah, basically he was prophesied to die but eeeeeveryone loved him so much that frigga (his mom and queen of the gods- and possibly another form of Freya, or- aaand im sidetracked again XD) got literally every single thing to swear to never harm Baldr- except, of course, one tiny little plant. (some say she forgot, others that she thought the plant too young, etc) Loki was jealous of Baldr and, one way or another, found out about the plant- mistletoe, it was. Sooo, while everyone was chucking random things at baldr because they thought it was funny, he decided to be ‘helpful’ to Hodur (baldr’s twin mentioned above) and basically made Hodur kill Baldr- which didnt do what loki thought it would, ‘cause there was no doubt it was actually loki’s fault, not Hodur. (Wow, imagine being hated and mistrusted more than the actual [possible] embodiment of sin himself… snorri really has it out for this guy, doesnt he) Whoopee, Loki’s punished in a variety of different ways depending on the version. Yay.
I’ll be getting further in depth on that later, so thats all on baldr for now.
Freya and Freyr
Now, these two are (obviously_ where i spent the majority of my time looking, since they are, yah know, the entire point of this post. Get ready for a lot of vague things that point fingers at their connection to the sun and moon, because im about to condense a lot of sources on the mystery of their connection into this one.
So, in basic mythology, Freya and Freyr are the insanely beautiful of Njordr- and they’re sometimes twins. (and sometimes lovers, as in some versions Njordr got with his sister to have the two of them. How… interesting. [sometimes their mother is nerthus, sometimes skadi, possibly others, not the focus XD]) Freyr is a big freaking deal (and so is his sister). “He rules over the rain and the shining of the sun, and therewithal the fruit of the earth; and it is good to call on him for fruitful seasons and peace. He governs also the prosperity of men,” is Freyr according to one source. Frankly, they were leaving out quite a bit.
Freyr’s home was considered to be Alfheim, which was the home of the elves. (“The elves were collective gods who were also associated with burial mounds and the ancestors”. You’ll see why this is so interesting a detail in a bit- though its also interesting for a pretty blatant reason. Freya and Freyr are both considered the leaders of the light elves. Yah know, the light elves.) He had a ship that has a name that reminds me of a keyboard smash (because i dont speak norse, not because it is random letters obviously lol, im not funny) that was built by dwarves.
Now, this ship is pretty cool, since it sails on both land and sea, always has a tailwind, and on top of that it can be folded like a piece of cloth and tucked in a pocket. It also connects him with his dad. (Yes, this ship is important, and yes, i will get to it later, lolll) he also has this amazing boar (Gullinborsti) attached to his cart that also doesn’t discriminate between land and air and sea- he travels ‘em all. This boar illuminates everything with its golden bristles- almost like the sun, ahahaha. (The boar is also often depicted on warriors’ shields- and shields are also connected to the sun, as i’ll explain in a bit.) He also has a servant named ‘the bright one’.
“Freyr, like his sister and father, belonged to the vanir race, but lived with the aesir as a peace hostage after the war between the two groups of gods. The fact that his dwelling is also called alfheim suggests a connection between the vanir and the elves; both are also associated with fertility (which, btw, both freya and freyr are considered deities of). Just like odin and thor, Freyr was quite popular with the ancient norse cults. (pOpULar wiTH tHe LaDiEs-) Freyr is destroyed by the giant Surt during ragnarok with his flaming sword.” he’s constantly described as handsome, beautiful, powerful, kind, and all sorts of other nice things. He’s also, interestingly enough, called the ‘world god’ by snorri. (nah, that doesnt connect to anything in this, i literally just thought it was cool lol) He rules the weather and growth of the year, with the rain and sunshine for the crops of the field. He was the go-to god for people who wanted a good future, peace, prosperity, and progress. He was the god of habits (apparently? Kinda cool, that) and the god of years and the giver of wealth. (this is because, according to some, Freyr was originally a mortal king. His reign was so wonderful that he was worshiped beyond his death, and continued to watch over his people as a god. This is very much not true in all versions, however lol) He’s also got horses devoted to him, which is fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He’s the god of lots of very important things and hes very cool and we should all love him lots, is basically the moral of the story lol.
So, why should he (and his sister) be connected to the sun?
Surface level answer is because Freya is considered as beautiful as the sun, and so is her necklace. Freyr is, because of his association with seasonal change and fertility and crops, and his boar.
Except, thats only the surface level. Buckle in guys, ‘cause we’re about to get real. (and real speculative. lol.)
First, we’re gonna look at what the sun even is, before we touch on who and why it has anything to do with Freyr and Freya.
So, the sun chariot is a pretty common thing in norse mythology- and others besides. It isn’t always, however. According to some sources, the sun is on a wagon during the day and on a ship below the sea at night- which might also relate to death and the underworld. (im coming back to that later, too) as one source says, “in prehistoric scandinavia, images of the sun being held by humans, set on a ship or wagon, appear on slabs inside graves, sun-like shields, (which is another huge association btw- the sun and war, specifically) belt plates and the famous 1400 BCE trundholm sun-chariot, where it is depicted as drawn by a horse on its eternal journey, both set on wheels suggesting a continuous motion”
Now, there’s also the connection between the sun and the underworld. There’s carvings with chariots and bird shapes put in graves- most likely to guide or protect the dead. (The sun and freya both were the protecter of dead people in prehistoric scandinavia_ the horse also was important, as it was considered a means of both communication and transportation between the two worlds- which ties back into the sun being drawn by horses. Horses connect earth and sky, life and death, and pull the sun- you know, the sun, which represents life and death in equal measure. (you can even look at it this way- the death of the sun and the rebirth of the day, caused by the sun)
The bird shapes and bird-shaped women are thought to be the valkyries taking one half of the dead warriors to valhalla, and the other half to- oh, how interesting, to freya’s hall. (*intense eyebrow wriggles*) which- odin is also known to shapeshift into an eagle, so theres that connection too- and he’s in charge of valhalla. Similarly, freya has a cloak that turns its wearer into a falcon, letting her fly. The shapes are also regarded by scholars as representation of the eagle, and are connected with battle and war- but also as a symbol of the sun. just like the wheels, the birds refer to the swift flight of the sun. (this is extra interesting, when we consider freya’s connection to the strife and death and etc- wherats freyr is the fruit of the earth and peace and fertile seasons, considered the guy that ‘makes love rather than war’ [ in reference to him giving away his sword for love {he also gave away his horse, which was known for being able to jump over the ‘ring of fire’ and protect the rider from it- or, the sun. curious, isn’t it? Especially if we continue on with the idea that surt is the personification of all things we dont want the sun to be- and freyr’s horse protects against that, and was given away. That, and his sword is summer… which is implied to be the very sword surt will wield to kill freyr} both he and his sister are worshiped as gods of marriage and love, albeit differently] and etc… almost like they are the dual natures of the sun personified…)
Back on the sun=ship thing, “the other image popular in the bronze age, that of the sun on ship, can easily parallel traditions elsewhere, such as the egyptian sun god ra or Apollo (!!!) from greek mythology who gave protection in navigation. This image is used to describe shields” in snorri’s poetic teachings the shield can be a ‘skipsol’, literally a ship-sun, or a hlyrtungl, prow-moon”
(Curiously, Freyr’s ship has been depicted with an image of the sun on it. See what im putting down, here?
…and if not, you will.)
(Also, njord and freyr and freya are all connected to ships and maritime, which is in turn connected to the sun.)
At the end of the world, freyr will battle the giant surt, which possibly means more than we think at first glance. Surt can be interpreted as the destructive side of the sun- which makes sense. The peaceful, gently, nurturing side of the sun in freyr, being defeated by the wantonly destructive side at the end of the world- which makes it extra interesting that surt kills freyr, and not sol.
In addition, there’s also evidence of someone named ‘Sunna’ who’s referenced in the context of invoking the gods to heal a foal’s foot. Which, if you look at Freyr’s association with healing, and horses… perhaps they are connected, perhaps not, but its interesting all the same.
(And again, horses are also connected to the underworld- like ships, and freya, and- basically, its kind of convoluted, but by association one could suggest that freyr has a cthonic connection- just like the sun might. Then, of course, with his association with life, he’s gonna have association with death- and harvest, and the changing of seasons, and rebirth, and- yeah, see what i mean?)
Switching topics!!!!! (Because now im focusing mostly on a specific source- my absolute favorite of the bunch, because of how much information is concisely stated. All the others are mashing together- this ones special)
I referenced njord and skadi and nerthus, right? Wellll, njord and nerthus and freya and freyr have some… interesting connections.
Allow me to lay the groundwork.
“Nerthus travels on her wagon and brings peace and good seasons to people, while njordr, the male counterpart of nerthus, was worshiped as the protector of maritime. Both of these two features could have been derived from the course of the sun through the sky during the day on the sun-chariot, and through the underworld at night, maybe on a ship, which can also be interpreted as a metaphor of the regeneration of plants and crops, and even connected with the journey from this world to the other world.
“As for freya and freyr, who are probably derived from nerthus-njordr (which in another part of this paper, is explained. I wont get into details, but nerthus and njordr can be argued as the same person- and freya and freyrs names mean ‘lord’ and ‘lady’, and can easily be implicated as simply being epithets for the above- which in simpler terms, means that njordr might have came first, then nerthus came from him [or vice-versa] and then the gods freya and freyr came from him/them over time, as they slowly began to be seen as separate deities instead of epithets. That, or nerthus came first, and then njord, and then freya took nerthus’ place while freyr shared njord’s as son and father), they share more similarities with the sun, which may allow them to be identified as nordic solar gods. For example, freya’s wagon is pulled by cats, which are worshiped by ancient egyptians as the representation of the sun (im also going to point out the metaphor of the sun as odin’s eye, and gesture broadly at all the myths referencing ra’s eye in association to the sun. in addition, the ancient egyptians called the sun “the cat” as “the pupil of the cat’s eye grows larger with the advance of day” as the sun does. They imagined a great cat standing behind the sun, as the sun is the pupil of the cat’s eye. Female cats belonged to bast [or bubastis] while male cats- which are the ones that draw freya’s charit- symbolize ra, the sun-god) (At this point, consider this- norse mythology: starring guest mythologies, from such wondrous places as egypt and greece!!!!!!) at the same time, her wagon associated her with both the sun and nerthus. Compared with freya, freyrs role as a solar god is more obvious, as he is the ruler of rains and shining in the sun.
“The similarities of functions between the sun, and freya-freyr, might indicate that the fertile functions represented by the sun in the bronze age, was first inherited by nerthus in the iron age, and then by freya and freyr in the viking and middle ages, even though the sun itself was no longer the key symbol of fertility in viking and medieval north.”
This is another interesting thing- originally, in fertility worship, there are artifacts with images of the sun on them- in all of the forms mentioned above. However, after 500 BC, the sun itself is replaced with freyr and freya- possibly as the personified sun.
In addition, the movement of the sun across the sky was treated as a symbol of seasonal changing and vegetation growing. “The sun comes back after the darkness of the winter, brings back not only the brightness, but also the fertility of earth and vegetation.” That’s interesting, since Freyr is kind of in charge of the changing of seasons and growing of vegetation and fertility and brightness. Funny, that.
Similarly, want to know the difference between the sun-wagon and the sun-ship? Wagons were connected with females, while ships are more connected with males. Hence Freya and Nerthus both owning a chariot, while freyr owns the golden ship ‘Skidbladnir’- and Njord is obviously connected to ships. This implies that there are two aspects of the sun- one connected with females, and the other with males. However, this also isn’t a hard and fast rule- remember Freyr’s boar, that pulls his wagon? Freya also just so happens to own a ship. (and a very similar boar!) So even though there is association with genders and wagons and ships, it’s not a hard and fast rule. Although, if Freyr and Freya are both connected to Nerthus, it might make sense that Freyr has a wagon. (Similarly, Thor has a connection with a wagon- but he also has dressed as Freya)
Nerthus also is known to travel around on her wagon in order to bring peace to her people and fertility to crops- just as Freyr does. (And Freya is also connected to good seasons and harvest!) Interestingly enough, Nerthus’ wagon can be considered to have been drawn by female cattle instead of horses. This is interesting because the sun’s rays are described as cow’s milk- and as us greek nerds know, the sun-cattle is definitely a thing in greek mythology.
(In a similar vein, the tale of Njord and Skadi has been compared to the myths of Hades and Persephone, and the story of Freya’s searching for her husband to Isis and Osiris- underworld and fertility and growth connections, again)
And then, there’s this. “In the thought of these early ages the sun was the child of night or darkness, the dawn came before he was born, and died as he rose in the heavens. He strangled the serpents of the night, (gonna point at egyptian mythology real quick- and also Python from greek mythology, because why not), he went forth like a bridegroom out of his chamber, and like a giant to run his course. He had to do battle with clouds and storms, sometimes his light grew dim under their gloomy veil, and the children of men shuddered at the wrath of the hidden sun. His course might be brilliant and beneficent, or gloomy, sullen, and capricious. He might be a warrior, a friend, or a destroyer. The rays of the sun were changed into golden hair, into spears and lances, and robes of light.” How many of the above points have been referenced in that?! Quite a few.
Then, (with the speakers of the conversation taken out ‘cause their unnecessary,) “The sun fares swiftly, and almost as if she were afraid: she could not hasten her course any more if she feared her destruction. It is no marvel that she hastens furiously: Close cometh he that seeks her and she has no escape save to run away. Who is he that causes her disquiet? It is two wolves; and he that runs after her is called Skoll; she fears him, and he shall take her. But he that leaps before her is called Hati Hrodvitnisson. He is eager to seize the moon; and so it must be.”
This obviously references Sol and Mani- and brings us back to the idea that the sun (and moon) are very, very fast.
Another fun little fact? There’s a few different names for the sun- and it’s associated with quite a few things, like gold and fire, which is shown in several things like freya’s gold necklace being named after the sun- and her tears. Gold is called ‘the shining’, which is often connected with the sun- but so are the names Sol, as ‘sun’, and sunna, as ‘sunshine’, ‘everglow’, ‘the lovely wheel’, ‘all-shining’, etc. In addition, I’m going to bring Freyr’s servant back to your memory- as his name means ‘the shining one’. (Speaking of- did you remember where you’ve seen ‘sunna’ before?) Gold is very much associated with Freya- even in the names of her daughters. She also is called “shining one over the sea”, which plays on this and her oceanic connections.
Who is Snorri and why should we care?
Aaaaaaand here is the reason I said to take all of the above with a grain of salt. All because of this guy named Snorri. If we have collective beef with the roman poets that are responsible for the majority of the ‘greek’ myths we know, i dont even know what we have with this guy.
Why? We have no idea how many myths he made up on the spot. He is single handedly responsible for the majority of norse mythology as we know it- which are quite different then how it was originally.
By the time he’d gotten his dirty fingers all over the myths, they’d already been quite tampered with- thanks to christians who had no patience for paganism, but enjoyed sharing gossip about ‘heathens’ anyway. (thanks, us. Really had to go and screw with history) So they were already moving away from the original myths. (hence Baldr being so blatantly symbolic of Christ) Then Snorri happened, and the original myths fled like they were being chased by some kinda giant, rabid wolf. (See what I did there? …Geeze, okay, fine, I’ll see myself out, calm down-)
(*please note that the majority of my griping is done with relative fondness. I do enjoy norse myths as they are, and I am in fact christian lol. I simply am whining because I want to know the truth, gosh darn it!!!!*)
So what, exactly, did Snorri do?
Allow me to set the scene. Snorri was both Icelandic and Christian, and he was absolutely obsessed with viking poetry. Like, seriously. Snorri was so obsessed with them he decided he wanted to be the king’s Skald- which was often Icelandic. (A skald was a highly honored post- it was a cross between chief counselor and court jester, and was an extremely influential position, with the freedom they had to even scold the king without consequences. [Skald=scold]) He was a 40 year old poet with big dreams. And he was a good poet too- he knew he was.
Unfortunately for him, the king wasn’t interested.
The issue? The king was a 14 year old boy who was much more interested in learning about King Arthur and the knights of the round table than his own history- which was kind of personally offensive to Snorry. The king thought that Snorri was terribly dry and boring- just like viking poetry.
Now, the main reason it was so dry and boring and confusing was the kennings I mentioned earlier- which might have even been named that by Snorri himself. Kennings are a mix between a riddle and a trivia quiz, as one source explains it. “No poet writing in Old Norse before about 1300 would say ‘mead’ when he or she could say ‘waves of honey,’ or ‘ship’ instead of ‘otter of the ocean,’ or ‘sword’ instead of ‘fire of the spear clash’. And those are the easy kennings to figure out. The harder ones refer to Norse myths. For example, what did a Viking poet mean by saying ‘Aegir’s fire,’ or ‘freya’s tears,’ or ‘sif’s hair’? The norse gods Aegir and Freya and Sif hadn’t been worshiped for over 200 years in Norway or Iceland. Few people remembered the old stories of gods and dwarfs and giants, and so the old poems hardly made sense.” So, of course the boy-king wasn’t interested in the poems, and sent him home.
Snorri took this as a challenge.
He had first, in 1220, wrote an elaborate poem in praise of the king and his regent. Said poem was 102 stanzas long, in 100 different styles- which was unprecedented. Snorri was literally amazing.
It wasn’t the best place to start, however.
Luckily for Snorri, he realized this and didn’t send it. Instead, he took the time to write a section explaining how skaldic poems worked- including kennings. Then he began to write myths that would explain the kennings- myths that he’d heard, stories he’d pierced together from old poems, and others that he himself simply made up- which is a great deal of the reason why the characters rarely gave the impression that they needed to be feared and worshiped. Like Thor- he’s quite the idiot in the myths that Snorri wrote. Snorri didn’t fear or worship these gods- he just liked poetry, man. (Thor was nowhere near the idiot Snorri portrayed him as- he was the favorite god. Everything was named after Thor- nothing was of Odin. In fact, Odin is rarely mentioned- and is, from what i understand, the least norse of the gods- only belatedly one of them at all. However, Odin was Snorri’s favorite- and thor was demoted to comic relief.)
Thats also likely the reason for alllllll the mentions of sex, and the insane results- like Sleipnir, or Jormungand. He was trying to keep a 14 year old boy interested- of course he’s going to fall back on dirty humor. Loki was often a main feature of his stories, and often the mischievous antagonist.
Heck, the tale of where poetry even came from can be blamed on- i mean claimed by Snorri. He really, really liked both mead and he liked poetry, and he was trying to convince the boy-king to get interested in Snorri and hire him, and to scold him at the same time. (Its also said that the myth perverts an ancient ceremony- from celtic sources) It says more about Snorri than it does genuine myths.
Snorri also had a mild obsession with connecting the gods to troy and each other and people in weird ways. Like how he was constantly making couples be ‘married’, when originally they were only lovers- maybe even one time lovers.
Like Odin and Skadi.
Or Freyr and Gerdr. Its said that Freyr fell in love with the giantess Gerdr and sent his servant to get her by whatever means necessary. “She refuses at first, but when Skirnir threatens her and curses her, she gives in, and agrees to meet the god, nine nights hence.”
However, according to snorri, they get married- which is never stated in the poem. He also made up an oc- i mean, gave them a son. (Why? Swedish kings claimed descent from Freyr and his son. He also said that Swedish kings were descended from Odin.) He also showed Freyr as lovesick and weakened by his love for Gerdr- and how Freyr gave up his magical sword to win the giantess, which meant that the giants had it. The original poem only said that he gave his servant the sword and horse for the journey- it didn’t say anything about them being gifts.
Thats a pretty mild example, but you can imagine how much worse the others are.
For instance, the beginning of the world. First, he claims the world begins in a volcanic eruption before freezing into ice. That can’t be an ancient myth, because Norway- and the rest of the scandinavian homelands- are not volcanic. Only Iceland was ‘geologically active’, as was discovered when Norse paganism already began to wane. Then, the idea that the world is created by the dismembered body of a giant can be attributed to the idea floating around philosophical treatises of the time, based on Plato. Even the cow can probably be attributed to Snorri, as no other source mentions a giant cow. “A cow, to Snorri, would have been the obvious source of monstrous sustenance. Like all wealthy Icelanders, Snorri was a dairyman. He was also, as I’ve said, a Christian. It fits with his wry sense of humor for the first pagan god to be born from a salt lick.” (Which, when said like that, is objectively hilarious)
Heck, the idea that Odin was the “All-father” who gave men immortal souls and welcomes the righteous to the halls of the dead is very christian-like. It would make it more… welcoming, perhaps, to a young christian king who’d been raised by bishops.
Heck, the valkyries- before Snorri, they were monstrous troll women of gigantic size who rode wolves and poured blood over the battlefield. They rowed a boat (hah!) across the sky, trailing a rain of blood. They were known for their ‘evil smell’ and put me in mind of evil vulture-harpies. Snorri, however, created the iconic valkyries we know and love today- beautiful, powerful warrioresses, who serve valiant men mead.
Now, I promised to go over the Baldr myth before I ended my self-debunk session.
You know the basics of the myth- i can go over it if someone wants me to, but rn the word count is already too high,, so we’re just gonna go over the FiShY parts.
First, the part where Baldr is killed by mistletoe. Snorri had no idea what mistletoe was, since it didn't grow in iceland and was rare in norway. Mistletoe is a parasitic vine found at the top of an oak tree- its not a tree itself. “The ‘golden bough’ of folklore, it was gathered in some cultures at the summer solstice; picking it caused the days to shorten. Originally, it seems, the death of Baldr was a drama of the agricultural year. Snorri did not see it that way. In his mythology, time is not cyclical. Baldr does not die off and come back each year like summer. Instead, Baldr’s death causes Ragnarok, in which the old gods are killed and the old earth destroyed in a fiery cataclysm.”
Mistletoe was, in fact, Baldrs bane- but not in the way Baldr interpreted it. He dramatized it because mistletoe was called ‘mistilsteinn’. Other icelandic words ending in ‘teinn’ referred to swords, and mist is the name of a valkyrie. Surely a plant named ‘valkyrie’s sword’ must be highly symbolic, and deadly.
No where before Snorri is there a version of the myth where Frigga forces an oath out of everything on earth to keep Baldr safe. It doesn’t say that Loki discovered the secret of mistletoe’s being overlooked and guiding Hod’s hand. In fact, Loki’s not mentioned in this context at all.
And only snorri continues the tale with Baldr being retrieved from Hel- in exchange for a ransom, brought by a volunteer named Hermod- who is a god in no other story. (You and your ocs, Snorri)
Theres the whole scene of Baldr’s funeral thats almost absurdly comical, including the gods’ strength being stolen by their grief until they had to get a giantess who rode a wilf with vipers as reins to launch the ship he was to be sent to the sea in, so fast that the earth quaked and fire spurted in its wake. Then, of course, Thor was personally offended that the giantess was stronger than him (??? why snorri) and wanted to bash out the giantess’ brains- and would have tried if the other gods hadnt stopped him. Baldr’s wife, Nanna, drops dead of grief and gets chucked onto the pyre with Baldr- which doesnt exsist in any other known version. Then, of course, they murdered Baldr’s horse, and after teh pyre was consecrated and all that crap and set aflame, thor trips over a dwarf. He kicked at the guy and then literally threw him into the fire of the pyre and he was burned. (???! wHy snorri)
Then we go to hel, and see how things are progressing. The journey itself is quite christian- based off of ‘Christ’s Harrowing of Hell’ from the Gospel of Nicodemus that was popular in iceland at the time. For example, Christ rode a great white horse into hell- so Hermod rode Sleipnir, who was also white. (And eight-legged, but thats neither here nor there) The journey continues, and Hermod finds Baldr sitting in the seat of honor, and Hermod stays the night. In the morning, he tells Hela that everyone was really upset and asks her to let Hermod take Baldr home. (Baldrs horse, burned on the pyre, was safe in Hel’s stables)
Hela was curious, so she set it all to a test. ‘���If all things in the world, alice or dead, weep for him,” she decreed, “Then he shall go back.” If anything refuses to weep, he stays in hel.’
So the gods sent messages everywhere to tell people they needed to cry for Baldr- and so does everyone and everything. (Which includes a fun little explanation for condensation- its merely objects weeping for Baldr, of course) Except, of course, a supremely ugly giantess that Snorri claims is Loki- which of course, isnt insinuated in other versions.
“With baldr’s death, chaos is unleashed. The gods have lost their luck, the end of the world is nigh: Ragnarok, when Loki and his horrible children, the wold Fenrir and the Midgard Serpent, will join forces with the giants to destroy the gods.”
And thats it. No rebirth or anything.
First, why was Baldr in Hel if he was so wonderful?? He definitely should not have been there. Furthermore- why is his horse in Hel, and not the dwarf, who was clearly viewed in an unfavorable light? And where is Baldr’s wife? Is she with him, and just wasn’t important enough to be mentioned? Did she go to one of the hall’s for warriors? (Though i never got the feeling that she was a warrior herself) Plot holes galore.
Honestly though, even though he messed up a crap ton of stuff, he’s kinda funny, and I genuinely love the idea of him in itself- in fact, I’m planning on using him as inspiration in my original novel lol. I mean, the idea of a poet, all vain and puffed up and convinced hes the absolute best, who deserved this incredibly high position in another country, throwing down his best work with extreme pride, only to be rejected out of hand by a literal child who had no desire to learn his own history? And then the poet, out of freaking spite, goes home and writes a crap ton of poetry ‘for dummies’, targeted specifically to be interesting to a child, and warping the stories any way he could to do so, that then become the most well-known source of the myths?
H i l a r i o u s.
A great inspiration to us all. Thanks, Snorri.
(Heh, he also was the inspiration for some Big writers- like Tolkein, who i love, and neil gaiman, who im less familiar with- lol. So i hate him but i also love him ig)
What the heck does this even mean, Regina??? (In other words: way too freaking long, shut up and just gimme the nutshell)
Basically? Believe what you want to believe! We’re going off of the scraps of relics we can’t hope to ever truly understand- assuming that the people who made them even put that much thought in them (‘cause I know I rarely do when im art-ing)- and the fanfictions- i mean, creative interpretations and fantastic retellings of a dude with a pretty clear agenda.
Every single one of these deities could have been a solar deity at one point in time- maybe even multiple times, with multiple combinations. Maybe different eras marked different interpretations of the sun(/moon), maybe it was just by area or personal choice. Maybe none of them were, and we have yet to discover the truth- if we ever will. And im certainly no expert. This all came from me doing a google search and spiraling down deeper and deeper- as im sure you all understand lol.
Either way, it literally cannot be argued that Freyr has zero(0) connection to the sun, so its entirely plausible that he’d show up to a multi-pantheon meeting of sun gods lol.
And bear in mind that I’ve barely scratched the surface here- every single thing ive touched on has sooooooooo much more than I put here XD And some of it remains on the websites of my sources, which imma list for y’all. Theres plenty more beyond those, however.
None of this really, truly matters in reference to how you take inspiration from norse myths. Play with it, have fun- pick and choose pieces you like and discard the rest. Its just here because I think its cool lol
Now, how I personally rationalized this all into the riordanverse previously? (Which you guys are totally welcome to take inspiration from- you dont have to ask if you dont want to! I only want to see your work, whatever it is, because its gonna be amazing and no way im gonna miss out on it lollllllll)
Way back when, when the universe came to be, so did Sol and Mani. Unfortunately, the two were never quite finished- and so they never woke up. Fast forward, and Njord and Nerthus are in charge of both the sun and the moon, with njord having made a fiery chariot from the light of the fire giants’ realm. Over time, they moved on, and Frey and Freya took over, having helped their father and mother and/or aunt for the entirety of their lives. By this time, they adopted 2 wolves, who they loved very very much. Freya and Freyr took the job equally, changing every day, their wolf-helpers changing with them. The wolves just so happened to be the actual sun/moon- far brighter than the earlier chariot. Eventually, Freyr and Freya were chosen to keep the peace between the aesir and vanir, with their dad so he could take care of his little godlings. Freya takes half of the underworld for heroes from Odin, which she had often visited in the ship that toted the sun when the moon rose into the sky (when it was her turn). She had taken great joy in bringing sunshine, light, and happiness to the dead, and eagerly accepted the chance to do so officially. This means that Freyr is now in charge of both chariots and wolves- which is kind of difficult, but he managed.
Then the giant came to build the wall for the gods, as the stories say, and he desired both Freya and Freyr- Freyr as both moon and sun. (I went on and on about how that was such a power move in my original notes, which was kinda hilarious to read XD not sure why i was so impressed with that lol) Afterwards, Loki gives Freyr a new, fancy-er boat, which Freyr uses to send the sun below the sea and into the underworld, visiting his sister and bringing the sun to the dead. He then would raise the moon while Freya took care of the sun, and then vice versa. (He raised them with the chariot and wolves, and lowered them with the ship) Freyr began to be worshiped for a great many things- few of which he had time for. (I never got the impression that norse gods had that ability lol) This was quite distressing, and concerning.
Meanwhile, Sol and Mani had been discovered by a mortal man. Its quite evident that they are gods- judging by their swift grow to intelligence, even if emotional maturity is at a normal pace, and physical growth somewhere in between. (yeah no sources for that dont question it) Beyond that, they were also very much divinely beautiful, and they also maybe kind of glowed sometimes. He was a greedy man, and took great pleasure in the knowledge that he had such clearly important gods for his obedient ‘children’. In his pride, he named them after the sun and moon- the greatest treasures of the heavens, that he has hidden away in his arms. In this time, he gave sol to her husband, and i figure its actually a fine relationship? Havent looked much into it lol.
In any case, the gods discover them, and punish the man and rescue the twins. And its wonderful, and they are all so happy- except that they have no role. Now, Freyr was pretty gosh darn tired by this point, and wanting to move on from sole command of the sun and moon both. He’d had Baldr helping him- such a good, helpful lad- but Baldr had his own responsibilities as well, and so did his wife, when she stepped in. He looked at their glowing skin and made some swift decisions. “Look,” he said. “They glow, just as their namesakes do- just as they should. Clearly, they are to take care of the moon and sun- and i will not contest them for it.” And so it was. Freyr focused on helping Sol, while Baldr (and Nanna) trained Mani. This is why Baldr and his wife were both connected to light- the moon in particular, although the sun as well. This is also why Freyr still has such control over the sunlight and how it effects earth. (Btw, the two wolves are still visited by Freyr and Freya, of course, but they are brought out every day/night by the twins, who take care of them and play with them. Neither wolf has plans to eat the twins- they are merely playing a game when they chase them.)
Then Baldr and Nanna are killed and the moon is suddenly so much weaker. Mani just cant keep up- until he adopts two kids, who take the jobs. Unfortunately, since they are/were mortals, they tire- and this is why the moon waxes and wanes.
(theres also the dude who holds the shield to protect the earth from the sun’s burning rays [thanks to surt being furious ab the light stolen from his realm]- maybe something to do with Freyr, or Sol’s husband??)
To start ragnarok, as it is in some versions, it is fenrir who will swallow the sun and the moon, rather than the adorable puppies- i mean, fierce and determined workers. Their children will take the role after, while Freyr fights Surt.
The end. ~Thank you and goodnight~
Aaaand thats a wrap, my lovelies!!!!! Im really tired and its past 10 here and i still need to do my math homework (also, ironically, im doing THIS instead of my ACTUAL mythology homework… tho tbf, im not sure if thats actually due tomorrow or not) and at least listen to the songs im going to be performing tomorrow, since im like. A veteran in our choir now, and i kinda hate it bc ewww responsibilityy. sO, if theres any plot holes or anything confusing in this, please please please please PLEASE lemme know. In case u cant tell, i love talking, im terrible at explaining things.
I really hope this answered your question, my friend XD
(I also have, like, a lot of things to post on tumblr XD and snippets of stories to wrap up and publish on ao3 and see if i can do more for the monthly prompts lollllll. And to catch up on discord XDXXDXDXD especially since my best friend has now joined, and i havent even hopped on ����busy, busy, busy lol)
(Also does anyone know if there's a way to make things u copy and paste into tumblr to stay underlined, italicized, whatever????)
Love y’all soooooooooooooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3<3<3
Sources (*note that i read a ton of others, these are just the ones i took enough from to credit them*):
https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/57994/Lan-Wang-thesis.pdf?sequence=1
https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1911/the-sun--the-moon-in-norse-myth/
https://norsespirit.com/blogs/mythology/freyr?srsltid=AfmBOop02PnTHoKx0QTZ93g_m5h637-_6P8PJJWngUnxjOnyl3mozpjz
https://web.archive.org/web/20100401223136/http://northvegr.org/lore/prose/037040.php
https://earthandstarryheaven.com/2015/06/17/politics-myth/b
https://odsmal.org/sol-sun-and-nanna-mani-baldur/
https://ydalir.ca/norsegods/nanna/
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28497/28497-h/28497-h.htm#ch21 https://reactormag.com/seven-norse-myths-we-wouldnt-have-without-snorri/
https://medium.com/@nyxshadowhawk/how-christian-is-norse-mythology-b9e0a6a1a029
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luzi35 · 4 days ago
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Oh my++ gosh…what the fuck is wrong with you people???
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…Is this seriously all over her hate for Uzi, NUzi, and shipping J x N??
Like I’ve++ never seen her do anything bad or problematic and even then death threats and harassing her does not make you better?
It doesn’t help when I++ recognize some of the folks harassing her too like…I’m++ so shocked? I++ don’t know what happened last time, I++ saw some posts about it but didn’t really comprehend them but this now? I’m++ just seeing it like…
Is this seriously harassment over not liking fictional characters and their relationships?
I’ve++ heard of NUzi fans being horrible and was in a bit disbelief because I++ never came across one that was so awful and believed that NUzi fans on TikTok were noted as the worse ones but yall are really proving them right about yall not being all that.
I++ don’t like getting involved in situations when I++ don’t know all the details or what’s going on to avoid making major mistakes like that but now I’m++ tired of being silent and watching this person be harassed and no one saying anything.
I++ know I++ don’t really have the amount of followers to be saying this but if you could show @lesslie-sass some love, please do. You can skip over what I’m++ about to say in the Indented if you’d like since it’s directed to Lesslie anyways. I’m++ a very hearty, wordy being so I++, myself++, will always say a lot.
I’ll++ say something below myself++:
Hey Lesslie, I++ just want to show you some love and support during all of this. I++ was the Anon here and we++, as a system, would like to continue supporting you even if we++ aren’t sure about your views on systems. To us++, it’s more important to speak out against harassment that’s so severe like this than to stay silent from any preconceived notion about our++ existence.
I++ want you to know that I++ am here for you deeply if no one else seems to be and I++ would like for you to send me++ a DM so we[++] can talk and I++ promise you I++ will listen. Of course, I++ don’t want to pressure you into sending me++ one but just know that if there’s anything you need, I++ am here for you. I++ cannot stop people from harassing you but I++ can be there to listen and offer you my++ advice. I++ didn’t comprehend what happened last time and I++ wasn’t there when it went down but I++ am here now. Whatever happened then does not excuse what you’re going through now.
I++ know it’s easy for folks to just say “ignore them and move on” even with the best intentions in their heart but I++ know it isn’t that easy or that simple. I’ve++ been harassed multiple times before and those instances have left me++ traumatized. I++ have recovered more since then but I++ can still have those days where it really hurts still. However, recovery takes time whether it’s absolute or most of what you can do at the time. Being told to “get over it” even in the most kindest, sincerest way will not help you. You have to sit with the pain and cope with it.
When it comes to blocking people who harass you, it can alleviate some pain; still, I++ know that it still has the possibility of making things feel much worse. The thought of someone out there talking about you and your work without you knowing or being able to defend yourself can hurt a lot. Trust me++, I++ know. The thought of that leading to even more harassment can be a lot as well, trust me++ when I++ say I++ know that as well. It can hurt a lot but that doesn’t have to be the end of you: whether that’s yourself or your online presence.
People are gonna feel the way they feel about your artwork, regardless of your intentions. That doesn’t mean you should forget your very own intentions. I++ know it can be hard to keep going when you have to deal with all of this but I++ want you to know that despite all the bad, there’s still good to look at too. Think about your accomplishments or things in life that you have or done that have brought you joy. I’ll++ add to that: You’re a great artist and you have an adorable artstyle! That’s something to be proud of!
I++ really loved seeing your CodeGold art and it gave Seph and Ink-o more confidence to start posting sear own regarding our+ in-system relationships! Just seeing someone else out there posting semi-frequently about it was just so nice to see when the fandom tends to hate anyone who ships it / the ship itself no matter the reason behind it so I++ just really appreciate you a lot for that.
I++ know I++ could of send this in a DM instead but it takes me++ a lot of confidence and other mental health related things (ie. anxious that the person I++ DM will hate me++ immediately and so on) to feel okay to DM anyone so it’s easier to make a post strangely enough. I++ didn’t want to wait so long to say anything either—even more from how I++ woke up to seeing this and immediately started typing my++ thoughts 😭—so this was the best option for me++ and I++ can vocally support you even more this way so I++ hope you don’t mind. ^^"
Again, I’d++ like to say that I++ am here for you if you need anyone and I++ hope the best for you! ^^
Now to conclude this…I++ know there’s some of yall who follow me++ or be coming on and off my++ account liking and reposting shit and yall believe in behavior like this. Go block me++ and unfollow me++. Cause if you seriously believe you’re in the right for harassing or supporting harassment against this person, I++ strongly suggest you seek self-betterment and apologize if you actually do something. Cause this looks nothing more than the typical borderline harassment and hate out of no where which is something I’ve++ experienced before.
CURATE YOUR ONLINE SPACES.
If someone is posting something you don’t like, either block that person or that tag. Simple as that. Don’t start harassment campaigns against people over fictional characters or their thoughts on them. You can complain without saying any names! You don’t have to subject people to unwarranted harassment! If they’re doing something genuinely harmful, it’s a different thing but that still doesn’t excuse the harassment side of it and it never should. Get it together. You will be a better person by not being the one who harasses someone over an opinion over fictional ships or fictional characters especially of those with such a small account like Lesslie’s. If you seriously believe harassing someone will make them hate the ship or character less, think again. It’ll make it worse and if they DO change it’s because you took the time out of your day to use a form of abuse to make that person change their mind. Now that may not always be the case as opinions can change but in regard to fandom, that’s usually how it happens.
Here I’ll++ say something myself before I++ end this off completely.
I++ LOVE NUZI and I++ LOVE UZI. Point blank period. They’re both comforting and extremely adored by me++, if that wasn’t obvious enough. I’ve++ seen a post or 2 about Lesslie talking about not liking Uzi or NUzi and I++ personally don’t agree with her on that but I++ can understand where she’s coming from a bit in her arguments against them and that’s fine! She has her reasons for not liking Uzi or NUzi, I++ have my++ reasons for liking them! I++ still like her art posts and I++ still like my++ own NUzi and Uzi hyper-fixations. I++ avoid her serious posts talking about her dislike for them and focus on enjoying all the posts who love NUzi too over the ones hating on the ship. My++ opinion hasn’t changed over seeing her’s and wow! That’s amazing, right?
Moral of the the story, you don’t HAVE to agree with everyone you follow, you don’t HAVE to harass anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and you don’t HAVE to stoop yourself so, so LOW as a person over fictional characters because at the end of the day, you’re hurting the life of someone with real flesh and blood.
That’s all I++ have to say.
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thefreshprinceofjunes · 2 years ago
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well since today is apparently a RANT POST kind of day, im gonna type up some thoughts ive had on vanitas ive wanted to get out of my system (i dont like him)
i realize expending energy on smth negative doesnt help anyone, but its the sort of thing ive had eating at my brain, and im hoping writing it down will allow me to stop thinking about it so much lol (luv having ocd alongside being autistic)
i do not understand the love for vanitas. i really dont.
and im not talking about fans who like him bc hes edgy sora. theyre villain fuckers. i get that.
i mean i dont understand how many people legitimately think hes a sympathetic character with more depth than just, like, being an asshole.
and before anyone says anything, yes, i know the bbs novel goes into his backstory, and makes it really tragic.
but kh3 did absolutely no job whatsover of incorporating any of that into his scenes in the game. he just comes off as the same big asshole that caused nothing but pain and suffering for the wayfinder trio in bbs
like all of the members of the real organization had some sort of redeeming moment before they died again, except for him. to me it felt like he just flipped off ven and sora and went, ‘haha fuck you guys i LOVE being darkness and i LOVE being evil see yall fucking later’, even as sora was trying to reach out to him
(yes i realize theres smth involving the translation of this scene, but im just gonna go off the english dub rn)
and. it sounds really petty. and a sign i might take shipping too seriously.
but i keep thinking about this shit because tumblr keeps recommending an artist on here that draws so/vani + vani/ku + so/ri/vani
and i cannot wrap my mind around those ships at ALL
even besides vanitas having soras face, why in gods name would a pure, sweet, innocent boy like him want to date just. the biggest douchebag??
and riku??? the one desperately in love with sora???? THAT riku??? dating a boy who looks like sora but is the exact opposite of him in terms of personality???????
its like. doing a disservice to both of their characters to have them involved with him IMO. like why would they ever. theyre so much better than him. they DESERVE better.
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again. i know its just shipping and i know ppl are having fun. i recognize theyre not hurting anyone. and they often make up aus specifically to fit their ships. but i just. 
i do not get it, man. vanitas sucks.
(its worth mentioning i am bitter also bc i always see ppl call xion [my fav female character and like second or third fav character overall] the most pointless/shoehorned character in kh. and i just wanna be like. excuse me, have you SEEN vanitas???)
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alanshee-keeper-of-realms · 2 years ago
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Okay so for the last few days I've sat down to write this out, I have this queued to answer the blow out post of Diisdoodles
An ex friend who I thought of like family, a person I actually physically met, a person who now focuses on themselves
I repeat beating the dead horse I listened to them, from that Friday I listened and stayed away ranting in the Server we shared as is my coping mechanism. I rant nonsense because it is my insecurities I know and come to my senses eventually and calm down. I do it rhetorically if I am ranting
1. They weren't 17 when we met June 2021 they'd just turned 18 and was going into senior year of Highschool. I have gotten removed from several servers over former shipper habits, nowadays its rare for me to ship, seeing as everyone treats it like it's reality when it's not.
2. The White Supremists joke, ah that that was because every character they have had white skin, also they really hated acknowledging racism just ask em they removed it because others were uncomfortable with it in their writing,
3.That was without the context I laugh because I come from a toxic environment, my parents expect me to act a certain way and get angry if I try to tell them off, they are getting better however if you get pissed at this then yall are hypocrites, you cannot look at me and say your own families have behaved themselves no matter the race or culture, I'm talking everyone. Humans are Humans and we pick on each other, no matter how much we try to pretend we are innocent, we are not,
4. Oh this one hurt, representation is sick and twisted? Simone was dark already she's an Adult worker I even toned down for their sake. She's supposed to represent that money isn't everything Violet wasn't supposed to be a lawyer in the beginning she was supposed to be a doctor but did you know they have a phobia of hospitals so I purposely changed that for them so I wouldn't be triggering them
They're the ones who came up with the AUs min ideas, hey Dii remember Santa? A monster that feeds on the Fears of others and killed others because they couldn't escape said fears and starved to death
Or how about Echo, who is corrupted by the Wind Element and his own hatred for Zane becoming a Serial Killer? Simone was along for that ride corrupted by him,
And then that wind element moves on into another and turns them into a psychopath? Cause God the amount of tearing apart and gore in those would make Stephen King proud,
5. You see yourself as the Leader in everything. Why don't you step down from your high horse and realize being a Leader means you see everyone as equal
Your sheltered suburban 400k lifestyle is showing, a Leader doesn't step on others to make themselves look better,
A leader doesn't see another trying to create with their stuff and tell them no
I may have been using Nindroid Canon at the time, but I was trying to cater to you. I was trying to suggest things to add a bit to it
Did you forget to tell everybody how you muted those channels because you couldn't handle me having Realm 14?
6. Oh I am still mad about everybody else it's just you I'm vocal about because you traumatized me that much.
Though.she.be.little and General Yasur were apart of the trio,
Though.she.be.little gave bullshit excuses, who takes an RP so seriously like you have to change it thats ridiculous! I actually felt pretty damn guilty for forgetting their Sexuality and would still apologize for that to this day
General Yasur just baffles me. Honestly, I asked if I could vent and they said yes. I need clarification I need bluntness I need someone to rant to to keep that side out of the public. I found out how cold and not understanding they are towards mental issues after I asked for clarification and got blocked.
We were friends for longer than Diisdoodles I remember talking to them in 2018, and now they were so quick to shut me out.
7. You're really looking for an angle here, no I don't I have friends who are proshippers so if you're saying I should judge someone not on their personality and who they are but by their fictional shipping habits
Seriously dipped your toes into the Anti pool have we?
When I made that comment about you I apologized immediately and like I said in a prior post tried to explain my mindset but again you took it to heart
I don't care wtf you are doing I'm neutral and just here to read fanfics and support my fandoms, not get dragged into bs drama that reminds me of the Dems and Repubs fighting
8. No I don't because those people drive me nuts I can get hard headed about certain subjects but I'm no expert and clearly have no power
Came crawling to you? Full of ourselves again are we if I knew this would've happened looking for a friend
I would've never joined your stupid ass server
I remember the exact day I brought up the borg siblings, and you are immediately interested and wanted to hear more and even asked to put Chloe into an idea of an AU you had
And you kept on going. All I know you saw now is a meal ticket, easy street, yank these guys, and take off.
9. Felix is Transgender is it bad I wanted some rep and not have this Nindroid walk around hunky dory after being misgendered? Dysphoria is real and it's horrible.
10. You NEVER included anything at all the reason I mentioned it so much is because you avoid these subjects if your gonna be a show runner get your head out of your ass and be inclusive
None of them ever experienced anything you always had a fairy tale sheltered ending
God reading Harker made me wince because she was like an abused Housewife under Echo
Oh honey it's okay your murdering people but it's okay
Even children's shows push the envelope better!
11. It's because unlike you I didn't have someone to actually teach me this is the part I will admit I fucked up, I do have these and I am a lot more reactive then most
That kinda happens when your 2 years old sitting on the edge of the bed watching your caregivers abuse each other,
My brain learned to feign and shove the emotions away to survive no not an excuse, I know I did damage but I didn't know my emotions and that's why this keeps rearing up,
Didn't you do the same with this post I am writing about, however? You reacted to something that, by the normal sense, isn't a big deal
That picture its posted on Facebook it's on my Tumblr from Way Earlier like, no there is no reason, DMs when I feel angry I'm going to put walls up and show you your wrong, especially when I don't trust you to tell the truth.
You lost my trust the day you created lilac should I show everybody your plagiaristic side because I never got an apology for that
Now if I posted your Address or Name now that would be a big deal, yes my readers I know that very personal information
Diisdoodles in tern knows mine,
Makes me shake my head whenever they go off on a rage this is what the 5th or 6th time you've thrown a Temper Tantrum when people don't act like you want them to. Because to me it was all about you it was all about your Nindroid Canon
it was all about helping you create these worlds do I have no right to feel frustration that I can't create anything I want to do without you throwing a temper tantrum and muting channels that you want nothing to do with because it's not your stuff.
12. Wow with even I literally can remember the line I said that may make you think that I was arguing oh because Even is this way I thought that she would be this way, that's not arguing it's called overexplaining and I do it a lot because narcissistic parent it's how I get myself out of trouble, but it causes more trouble than it is worth especially when you have a person that takes everything to heart like you.
You say I couldn't handle being told no
way to put words in my mouth I don't fucking care honestly even isn't my character never was never will she be nor was Pandora or brat or Charlie
I never copied any of these guys afterwards not like how you did with mine
Quit trying to make yourself look better by telling lies because you removed me from all the servers and hide behind a block. Gee, it sounds to me like you really want this to be one-sided.
As for the final thing I love how you don't mention the fact that I literally asked you guys if you were okay with me talking about that fanfic because I knew it was dark.
I wrote it when I was 14 going through SA myself, yeah that makes it a ton worse but I love even more that you left out that context because we were all on voice chat and I don't recall sending it to you but the link is still up to this day because you know what I never delete things no matter how much a fandom changes shifts or whatever I just give them a warning about the stuff on my page.
It sounds to me like you have issues that you need to sort out because this whole post has just been seemingly about making yourself look better that's all I saw this as
That's all it's ever been about you got into some anti friends who are now side-eying you because of our former friendship and now you want to make yourself look better and God forbid if I post that picture because that shows your lying about your place in our relationship
And honestly that's such cowardice it's not even funny
Next time put some context because you know what I'm not afraid to put some context for people to read you just think about yourself in the long run and not others
You want to talk about white privilege look at yourself in a mirror didn't even have a fast food job they worked for Daddy as a secretary and had their own schedule live in a $500,000 house could go out and buy Legos whenever they wanted they could even within 2 weeks buy a $500 plane ticket to fly from where they live up to the city where the convention was being held for a weekend
Should I tell them about your car and what you wanted to do with it
And how much that actually fucking terrified me that I would hear that you got into an accident knowing that it was on purpose and that possibly the person that I see like a sibling or saw like a sibling was dead.
You're not the only one who is traumatized and you need to acknowledge that.
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annikasevenshots · 2 years ago
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Star Trek Picard: Season 3 Episode 1 Reaction
Who's missed these from me. The screaming you all love to hate. Muah.
Beverly is so 🆒. I actually have no notes. Obsessed with Gates' hair it is On Fleek
Laris being the voice of reason and not being written out to make space for Bev? Very interesting.
Old communicator chirp noise my beloved
"No Starfleet" Picard: i know a guy 🥰 hello riker from starfleet who will contact seven from starfleet for help 😋
No one likes the phat ships 😢 Enterprise D it's okay honey we love you for who you are dummy thicc and all 🥺
RAFFI TIME RAFFI TIME RAFFI TIME
THERE'S MY GIRL
excuse me what did that orion slip in that plate to her i've watched this thrice and can't figure it out
NO??????????????????
"my girlfriend left me" NOOOOOOOOOOO??????????????
CALL ME A WEEWOOWEEWOO I AM MENTALLY UNSTABLE
GUYS NO PLEASE CMON I AM BEGGING
I DONT CARE IF SHES UNDERCOVER YOU CANT DO THIS TO MY GAY ASS HEART
GUYS PUT IT BACK I DONT LIKE THIS SHOW ANYMORE I DONT WANNA BE IN A UNIVERSE WHERE SEVENS LEFT RAFFI
I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS I AM AT MY FUCKING LIMIT.
Ngl seeing the dramatic Titan ship pan just reminds me of the gratuitous Cerritos ship pans in LWD which never fails to make me cackle
Titan theme is so beautiful. I think it's fast approaching my favourite just behind Voyager
The way it intersects with the TNG theme? Chefs mf KISS. Hit me with that shit I want it all
Seven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Commander Annika Hansen" SHAW COUNT YOUR FUCKING DAYS 🔪🔪🔪
I AM AT MY LIMIT I ACTUALLY CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE
Thanks! I hate it!
bby laforge 🥺 for to blorbo? me for blorbo? blorbo for me? for blorbo to????????
Picard telling Seven she'd make a great captain? My heart cannot handle this shit i'm out
Seriously guys i have to do next week with heart medication i was not made to handle this shit
"Should we tell Engineering we're going at lizard space warp 9.99"
At least the show is self aware that Picard is a bit of a fossil ngl, i respect that
Shaw eating blue meat 🤢 sir tf is THAT
Does shaw season his meat with blue raspberry kool aid. Quickly
I wish shaw a very ✨die✨ ❤️
Hate how Shaw treats Seven but tbh i respect a captain that can stand up to picard and riker. Like he's not wrong they can't just abuse their power that's long gone anyway
Also sorry Picard but you have got to stop bringing your own wine as gifts not everybody wants that shit
seven being 👁️👄👁️ during the meal is a mood because same
Love how Riker and picard just barrel ahead without waiting for or checking on Seven. Especially after how awful Shaw was to her. Way to use your friends guys well done gentlemen
"Good morning, sweet girl" raffi you are killing me
How does she look so good
Raffi having her vape horgl with her on the La Sirena is somewhat bittersweet
Headcanon that there are snakeleaf vines in her room. You are not allowed to disagree ❤️
jesus christ worf mysterious handler why the fuck would you pull up that personnel file 😭
RAFFAELA MUSIKER SHARES MY BIRTHDAY??????????? YALL BE FR I CANNOT DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE
GOODBYE I AM ASCENDING
WHAT
WHAT LITERALLY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SCREAMING CRYING
i. raffi. same birthday. no. oh my god. oh my god.
oh, raffi... :(
How tf is Seven around on the bridge more than the captain. They're making her the not-captain captain of the titan and for what
Seven saying what i've always wanted to say like why yes i too would like to airlock picard for his audacity
Riker: grants permission to speak freely
Seven: speaks freely
Riker: no not like that >:(
Shaw being a snork mimimimi king was not on my picard s3 bingo but you know what. Mood.
Brain is too scrambled to take in the rest but
Oh my god
Loved the music
Welcome back my space moms
Oh my god this season is killing me already
In conclusion i'm delirious because they dropped the episode at 12am after i tried to watch streams of it twice on the world's shittiest wifi whilst travelling across the country. Happy premiere day.
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catohphm · 2 years ago
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HPHM Cardverse AU: Friends Aren’t Faraway
Hey everyone! So I got a small stimulus of inspiration today for Cardverse! Why not flesh out Cato’s friendships with a few of the leading members of the other kingdoms? Two years ago I wrote three fics detailing three of his friendships with the canon OCs, Talbott, Chiara and Badeea. While Cato can regularly interact with his friends at Hogwarts in the canon universe, it’s different for Cardverse. 
The characters are all in different kingdoms, but physical distance cannot crush true friendships! For this post I’ll be focusing on canon HPHM characters, so only Spades and Hearts will be covered. Cato and Penny’s ship will be in another post. I’d love to work on friendships with other people’s OCs - all of you guys are always welcome to send me asks and DMs to discuss ideas! 
Tagging a few mutuals: @carewyncromwell, @dat-silvers-girl, @nerdyliv, @helenadurazzo, @oneirataxia-girl (hope you don’t mind me tagging yall)
Cardverse AU was originally created by @ariparri​, who also is the creator of Veruca McQuaid. With all that said, here’s our feature presentation.
Representing the Land of Clubs, the Ace of Clubs, Cato Reese, often interacts with the officials of other kingdoms. He takes part in meetings where the four kingdoms join to conference on issues that affect all the states. Letters and telephone calls are also used by him to reach his friends in other kingdoms. As a high-ranking Clubs official, he also has the ability ride the train to anywhere in Cinderhaven, with first class accommodations. 
It is important to note that he was appointed to the position of Ace of Clubs by King Orion Amari in the early stages of a crisis in the Country of Spades. He couldn’t reach anyone in Spades because Rakepick’s regime had cut all communications and transport. During that period of time, the only way he’d be able to meet and interact with the Ace and Jack of the kingdom was during conferences. 
Queen Veruca elected to only send her representatives Bill Weasley and Rowan Khanna to them. She was very devoted to her commitments and responsibilities to the citizens of Spades. They depended on her to keep their efforts to take back and rebuild their country organized and morale high. As a result, Cato only heard her in mentions, but he held a lot of respect for her and her ways of handling the crisis. 
Clubs and Spades were in an alliance during the war, in which Cato would lead a surprise attack against Rakepick’s army. He got along well with both Bill and Rowan. With the Ace of Spades, he’d go over strategy, tactics and the innards of the enemy. He and Rowan would discuss the impacts of Rakepick’s actions on Spades and the steps needed to rebuild. While the commander of the Clubs’ military, Cato also had a duty in overseeing law enforcement there. These two circumstances were among the reasons that contributed to him taking the diplomatic and political implications of the matter seriously. 
Outside of their duties, Cato, Bill and Rowan also exchanged details about their lives in their respective kingdoms and their hopes for the future. They continued to maintain contact after the war. With the situations in the kingdoms stabilizing, they would have the time to meet up more often.
Cato also had strong relations with Barnaby Lee and Chiara Lobasca, the Ace and Jack of Hearts, respectively. The two Aces were similar in their styles of leadership. When not at conferences, they at many times would look to each other for inspiration and advice, both in writing and over the phone. Cato also revered the times he’d get a letter or a call from Chiara. She concerned for his well-being and how the situation with Rakepick’s regime was treating him. The Jack also appreciated his ways of balancing his loyalty and accountability to his people with the interests of the other kingdoms.
King Diego of Hearts was impressed when he first heard that young Cato had become Ace of Clubs. He was excited and anticipated his future progress holding the position.  The King was thrilled when he was able to meet up with Cato after his appointment to Ace of Clubs. They enjoyed each other’s company, and his attitude helped Cato’s confidence in his new duties. Diego would catch onto his ability to keep calm and reassure his people in spite of the uncertain and unpredictable nature of the Spades crisis. 
He noted that the Ace of Clubs had the values of Hearts, using his intelligence and knowledge for the benefit of the citizens. While he was sure that Cato would also be just as good in the Kingdom of Hearts, Diego understood that his true place lied with King Orion in Cubs. Nevertheless, Cato was always welcome in Diego’s court, even receiving invitations from him, Chiara and Barnaby from time to time. 
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AHH HI CROW anon that sent the paragraph from before <3 if u take emoji anons i would love to be 🦆 cuz i honestly think ducks suit me the best 💪 ANYWAYS I WAS NOT EXPECTING U TO POST THE NEXT CHAPTER RIGHT AFTER I SEMT THAT BRO I MIGHTVE SCREAMED?!?! 🥹 IM SO HONORED AND FLATTERED AND GLAD I COULD GIVE U SOME MOTIVATION BAE AGHH U WROTE IT SO WELL 😭🫶 BUT. AT THE SAME TIME IM GONNA CRY THIS CLIFFHANGER IS EATING ME UP WHATHRKF WHY WHYWHWY WOULD U DO THIS TO ME 💔💔💔 lord i hope yn will be okay CMON BEOMGYU OR TYUN OR SOOB USE UR OVERPOWERED SKILLS OR SMN IVE BEEN WAITING FOR MY OCTOGYU CONTENT (or was it tyun that had the tentacle chara? i lowkey forgot oop) !!!!! ☹️ and pls their bantering on the boat was making me giggle 💀 soob is so sassy and protective i truly love him but at the same time my love for yeonjun grows every chapter I CANNOT DECIDE WHO I SHIP YN WITH ☹️ soob is still #1 for now HSHDJ‼️‼️ chap 11 is gonna be wild i have a feeling ☹️
ALSO HAPPY VALENTINES ! I HOPE UR DAY WAS WELL?!?! :0
YES OFC I TAKE EMOJI ANONS AHHH IVE BEEN WANTING A NEW EMOJI ANON :(((
and i love ducks so yes ofc you can be duck anon (i'm on my laptop, so i dont have the emoji T.T) 🦆 nvm i just copy pasted it lol
when you had sent me that first ask i was like "well shit this is rlly something, I'm gonna finish the whole chapter now" and i wrote more in one night than i've written in the past few months T.T so thank you so much i absolutely love long messages, they give me so much motivation and willpower
and sorry anon (actually not sorry, i love to torture yall <3) cliffhangers make every more JUICY HEHEHEH
but no fr, i'm planning the story out as i write it and im seriously like damn...soobin or yeonjun? soobin or yeonjun??? and i'm just writing out how everyones relationship is progressing through the story and like...sigh. yn and yeonjun have that dynamic that I love so far, but yn and soobin have the history and trust built through going through sm already together yk? but it'll all come to a closure one day, so I guess we'll both see together lololol
im actually going to start writing chapter 11 today, so hopefully I can get it done soon!
(also my valentines was just okay like usually lol but my mom got me a teddy bear and some chocolates! I hope ur valentines day was well too!)
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portraitofalonelydyke · 8 days ago
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I’m going to be so rude right now, you need to get a new hobby. I don’t respect your opinion on this.
Your argument about people in your real life only works if you are quietly and behind the scenes speculating on their life which is a normal thing people do. It’s a normal thing to gossip about people who you actually know. It’s even totally fine to gossip about celebrities behind closed doors and with your friends! I still do it!
What’s not normal is going online and calling Georgia and Anna baby trapping, attention seeking abusers. That’s literally not normal. It’s gross, it’s misogynistic, it’s frankly pathetic.
I don’t know you, I don’t know your blog, I am not accusing you of personally saying those things. But it is being said by people who ship Michael and David and I repeat, that is not normal
You proved it yourself with your friends analogy, you literally cannot tell what’s going on behind closed doors or how healthy a relationship is through photos. You CANNOT. So instead of writing out paragraphs defending yourself for your “right” to do that with celebrities idk how about you go write fanfic! go write poetry, go for a walk, read a book, behold a tree, do literally anything else to be a productive member of society. It’s invasive, it’s rude. Are you not learning anything from Chappell Roan and the other celebrities discussing how invasive fans are becoming?
Because you are being invasive. I mean consider it, would you be proud of yourself if David and Michael saw those posts? Do you think they would feel safe around you? No. You’re treating them like your own personal dolls. They’re real actual people not your puppets to play pretend with. They and their spouses are allowed to post whatever kinds of photos they want and they should be able to do that without strangers dissecting every expression. You say they won’t see it, they don’t care what random people online say or they should expect it, how does that make this behavior okay? I don’t even care if it is expected, it’s not right. it’s not okay.
Like seriously are you really saying, “Well, if she didn’t want people to speculate that she’s abusing her husband she really shouldn’t be posting anything at all. Because we all have a right to speculate” Is your argument really to blame her and say she deserves it? So when someone finally does invade their privacy in real life, when someone takes it upon themselves to save David and Michael, are you really going to say, “Well if she hadn’t posted on instagram!”
Yall need to stop with this. It’s one thing to write fic or draw art of a rpf. But point to ONE TIME that rpf didn’t go into scary and invasive territory. Because it worked so well for the Larries, and Gaylors, Dan & Phil, BTS, hell in my Sherlock days even Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman had to deal with this shit. Has it ever been okay? Has it ever not turned into invasive parasocial behavior?
Again, I don’t know you, I’m not accusing you personally of all this. But Michael and David shippers on the whole, in my experience, are incredibly misogynistic and invasive and I’m really sick of it.
david tennant explaining why he's never addressed the stupid rumour that georgia forced him to do rivals
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just-some-random-blogger · 3 years ago
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The Other Guy
Chris Evans x Actress!Reader Summary: Since you're so adamant on the fact that you're not dating Chris Evans, it's the media's pastime to link you with whoever you even breathe in the direction of. The loyalists of your ship is not having it though. Word Count: 1k+ Warnings: Reader x other dudes 👀 , fluff, crackfic, UH angst?, pining, ALSO TYPOS, still used YN h'iehfhes'f, fake movies titles, misogyny, CRACKFIC OKAY, also Typos, etc.
A/N: So i made a mood boaRDDDD!!!! if any of it doesnt match up with you just ignore it ok i love you you are beautiful the way you are but also we can all improve !!! idk why im doing another chris evans fic anyway. this is sorta part 3 to this technical p1 then this technical p2 but not really it stands alone as do the other fics. again its not a series its more of my stress reliver that causes me stress ???? yeah i also made a part 4 ALSO IM SO SUPER HYPED FOR SHANG CHI IM SO GAAHHHH Also a lot of yall liked my fic so im tagging everyone that reacted to White Bread just in case ya know HEYA (i know bold of me to assume): @time-for-a-lullaby @christmaswonderworld @readsreblogsfics @marianastudiesart @r2gers @undergroundstyle @notbrooklynsblog @marc-rogers @lam0ureuxq @mickymouselol1 @kimmyevansblog @captainwans
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It all started when my friend Gina was recording herself for a video at first, but instead caught me saying:
"I don't know about you, but Simu Liu is a dream cake- I mean dream boat-"
...while on my couch in a grey sweater, belly down, while on my nth video of him. I was on my personal favorite video, where his bestie Steven Lim, made him a bobba drink.
Don't you just get heart eyes when you see him?
Haha, well, Gina posted that on her Instagram, and, well, being a successful model, it apparently was enough to cause a stir on the internet. 🙄
TIKTOK
Video 1: Said video of Y/N in grey sweater, belly-down on couch, simping over Simu Liu, taken originally from @absolutelygina's instagram
Comments:
user892047902: WHO'S GONNA TELL HER THATS WRONG MARVEL ACTOR | 2.5k likes eggs352: wow, she pronounced Chris Evans really weirdly | 5k likes QuackButt90: this isn't how it was supposed to be | 200 likes 600qoolhwip: LMAO Yall do realize Chris and Y/N aren't dating right? 😂😂 | 1.3 likes BridgetJones: Chris Evans been real quiet lately | 9k likes DATazz: FR THO THIS AINT RIGHT | 635 likes quintessentiallyno: SAME THO SAME | 320 likes
Video 2: an edit of Y/N and Steve Rogers that's all fluffy but gets intercepted by Shang Chi, a popular tiktok sound is used
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[pinned comment] creator ● buckysplumprincess: GUYS I HAD NO IDEA THIS WOULD GO VIRAL! DONT TAKE THIS TOO SERIOUSLY. I SRSLY LOVE CHRIS AND Y/N TOGETHER AND I WORKED HARD FOR THIS EDIT STOP TELLING ME TO DELETE IT | 13k likes noahbark: I aint never seen a bunch of fangirls so mad about a celeb NOT dating someone. | 64k likes OnUrLeftFalcon: FAM TOO REAL. THIS AINT IT | 1.8 likes GordonRamzAYE: [liked by creator] Dr. Strange better get me into the right reality real soon or we about to have some problems | 3k likes chrisevansb00bie: haha nice edit *reports* | 10k likes y/nsarm: mood | 204 likes evansy/l/n: SAME | 59 likes user20435092: NGL THEY CUTE TOGETHER BUT MY EVANS-Y/L/N HEART JUST CANNOT | 240 likes
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@captainmurrrrrica: guys- you don't get it- im starting to think simu liu has more chances with y/f/n than chris IM-- @thiquesebz: [replying to @captainmurrrrrica] can you blame her though, simu does look like a dream cake 🥵 @captianmurrrrrica: [replying to @thiquesebz] WHAT HAPPENED TO THE END OF THE LINE? @chrisevansdailykrr: *image of 'i pretend i do not see' attached* @sugarlover: [replying to @chrisevansdailykrr] if it aint confirmed it aint real dont @ me @QQeverything: [replying to @chrisevansdailykrr] we love denial @ily3OOO: @SimuLiu STOP RUINING MY SHIP @SimuLiu: [replying to ily3OOO] 😅
A 20+ minute video on YT titled: Y/F/N being done with dating rumors
It's a panel interview. I'm sitting next to the director and my co-star, who happened to be Henry Cavill in this particular film.
An interviewer asks me, "you have been paired with a lot of brilliant men. How do you manage not to fall for them?"
It becomes twice more a throwaway question when it's continued with, "first Captain America, now Superman, how can you control yourself?"
What a day for journalism.
I immediately raise my brows, "control myself? I mean, beside the fact that you somehow believe humans aren't smart exhibit any form of control over themselves, there is such a thing as not being interested. Don't get me wrong, Henry's great--"
I roll my eyes and add, "and before you ask me, Chris Evans is great too, but I don't feel the need to actively control myself around them any more than I feel the need with any other man in this room. An believe me, I can imagine why people are so excited to see them because I've seen them first hand."
I motion to Henry beside me, "I'm sure it's a compliment to him that you, sir, think so highly of this" I turn to the man I was talking about and slap his toned bicep, "brilliant man, but for the record, if in asking this question you're are projecting your own lack of self-control, I feel like you might need some help with that."
Henry turns to his lap and breaks into a laugh.
--CUT TO--
I'm sitting on a stool reading a cue card, "You did a charity game with NBA player Rudy Gobert and you both seemed to have enjoyed yourselves in the footage. Have you two gotten any closer after that?"
I throw the card behind me, "it was a really fun game. I enjoyed feeling like a helpless child next to someone that tall. We did get lunch after the shoot for the content we did, but other than that we haven't talked much."
The staff asks, "so you didn't have a date recently?"
I contort in to a confused face. There is a harsh closeup, "I'm dating Chris Evans, remember?"
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It was a quick fire round of questions, and I was specifically told to answer one over the other.
"Chris Evans or Henry Cavill."
I roll my eyes, "hnnng, can't I just chuck both of them into the ocean?" I break into a laugh, "I can already imagine the angry women on the other side of the screen."
--CUT TO--
A sad pepe the frog pic.
--CUT BACK TO THE REST OF THE VIDEO--
I place a hand on my face and give it serious thought, about as serious as I get.
I sigh, "like I hate both of them so much it just hurts." I release a chuckle, "okay, okay, in all seriousness, I feel like you win whichever you choose because their both really great guys."
--CUT TO--
The crying man meme video.
--CUT BACK TO THE REST OF THE VIDEO--
I cross my arms, "when it comes down to it though, Chris did eat my toast so I'm going with Henry."
--CUT TO--
A picture of Henry Cavill edited with meme shades on and Chris Evans edited with tears. It's captioned with: 'she really isn't letting this go'. The background sound is the bad flute version of My Heart Will Go On.
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I'm in a radio station. I point at the host after having had a long talk that seemed to be steering in the direction of my dating life. Still recovering from our previous laugh, I say, "if you ask me if I'm dating Chris Evans, I'm leaving."
"Whyyyyy!!!!???"
"Because I'm so sick of it!"
"But you said in one interview that you were!"
"Yeah and I still get asked about it!"
"BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SERIOUS."
"IT'S NOT MY FAULT PEOPLE ARE DUMB!"
TWITTER-VERSE
@absolutelygina: Guess who got invite to Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings 😎 @wanduhvizun: [replying to @absolutelygina] MISS MAAM LEAVE Y/N AT HOME AND TAKE HER PHONE AWAY. I WILL NOT SEE MY SHIP SINK @cracklenpop: [replying to @absolutelygina] If she brings y/n it's all over for us. @udincthatcomin: [replying to @absolutelygina] @ChrisEvans SIR YOU HAVE A PREMIER TO ATTEND @darth_batman: [replying to @absolutelygina] she literally said nothing about y/n and the replies are all about her and evans 🤧 have we fallen so far. @SimuLiu: [replying to @absolutelygina] See you at the premiere! 😎 @everydayy/n: Imma need yall to stop spamming my feed with Simu Liu edits. It's making me unloyal to my Evans ship. @cevansbooti: [replying to @everydayy/n] ^^^ @theatrekidthingz: FACT: same people begging y/n to start socials would be the same people who cry cuz y/n be reportin all yallz tweets abt her n cevanz. @theatrekidthingz: [replying to @theatrekidthingz] I know this the same way i know queen will never let go of that stupid ass bread thing 🤢 @evansy/l/n: [replying to @theatrekidthingz] *image of 'i pretend i do not see' attached* @loveis4lozerz: [replying to @theatrekidthingz] hey man, send your location. I just want to talk. @theatrekidthingz: [replying to @loveis4lozerz] 🏃💨❗
And now: A Bunch Of Random Headlines (and some headlines with a few bits of the article)
Chris Evans brings up Y/F/N in a candid interview with Elle
It was literally brought up but its basically the same thing, right?
Evans-Y/L/N Spotted Grocery Shopping With Matching Black Masks
Literally everyone wears black masks, but hear us out...
Fans Are Not Happy With Simu Liu But Its Not What You Think
It involves Y/F/N and Chris Evans. If you're a fan of either of the two, you might know where this is going now...
Y/F/N Confirms Her Relationship With Chris Evans And I'm Starting To Believe
During the promotion of her new film, Y/F/N yet again confirmed her relationship with Chris Evans, albeit, with her famously sarcastic demeanor. Known as Evans-Y/L/N, they have garnered an army of fans, wishing fruition on a romantic relationship between the two.
The pair have long after the promotion showed evidence of a close relationship, and are often photographed holding hands. Even after multiple interviews of them during and after their time working with each other confirming their relationship, due to their equally sarcastic personalities, onlookers are left wondering if its actually true.
Perhaps now, the real question is, if the stunt was originally for publicity, why continue on with it after all this time?
Gina Faye on her viral video of bestie Y/F/N
... "I honestly think she enjoys the reaction to the video, just because she says she's so sick of having to talk about Chris Evans."...
Chris Evans attends 'Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings' solo, both disappointing and relieving Evans-Y/L/N supporters.
In a twist of events, it's Chris Evans cozying up with fellow Marvel actor, Simu Liu. The two shared a cute selfie making faces and scooching real close to each other. Confused? I'll explain...
Here's How Chris Evan's Post Of Green Slippers Broke The Internet
No but actually: here's the said post, particularly the video, captioned: RIP.
Video starts with a pan to the floor. The camera is switched from back cam to front cam. Chris purses his lips and sighs, "guys she refuses to make an instagram and yet wants me to post this for her."
Off cam, I bark, "I LITERALLY TOLD YOU TO TAKE A PICTURE OF ME CAUSE MY PHONE'S STILL CHARGING-"
Chris shakes his head and adjusts the stupid ass cap he's wearing, "no. You want me to post this, cause if you didn't you would wait."
"Your reasoning is re-" back cam is switched and pointed at me, "markably flawed and stupid."
"Aw, thanks. I love you too."
"Chris, I swear to g-"
"I WONT POST IT GEEZ!" Chris holds his phone up and gives a stupid smile, "now pose cutely for me."
I look past his phone and look him straight in the eye, "you know what, I'm not about to pose for some ugly slice of white bre--" *end video*
There is a separate post of green slippers on a carpet and of them being worn by its sassy owner.
TWITTER-VERSE
@chrisevansdailykrr: MY SHIP IS ALIVE AND THRIVING! @chrisevansdailykrr: Chris Evans for Elle Magazine. *image attached* @myshipisreal: A hero we never knew we needed *image attached* @steverogerswife: [replying to @myshipisreal] ALL HAIL GREEN SLIPPERS @swqgg: [replying to @myshipisreal] ALL HAIL PETTYNESS @y/narmpit: *image of green slippers and 'finally some good fucking news attatched*
@ChrisEvans: No hate but why Evans-Y/L/N, why not Y/L/N-Evans? @oeh3: [replying to @ChrisEvans] AND YALL HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY THEY AREN'T TOGETHER WHEN THIS IS HIS 3AM THOUGHTS @steverogerswife: [replying to @ChrisEvans] MARRY HER THEN 😤 @shutdd: [replying to @ChrisEvans] PETTY KING @absolutelygina: [replying to @ChrisEvans] I was instructed to say: "I clearly wear the pants in the relationship." @ChrisEvans: [replying to @absolutelygina] fair @avengerzbus: [replying to @ChrisEvans] I'M SCREAMING
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autisticlancemcclain · 2 years ago
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3, 9, 17 :3
(for the writer ask game)
3 -- What’s a fic idea that you have but haven’t written yet?
omg no bc ive had this idea for a modern au (yes yes another one i know i just love them) where the team is all at university but the kicker is theyre all on the soccer team, with the exception of lance who is a cheerleader and coran who is the coach. one day while playing a rly nasty rival team keith gets injured and cant keep playing, so lance, who is present at all of their practices bc he loves his friends (and who also helps coran come up with play strategies) grabs an extra pair of cleats and fuckin TEARS IT UP on the field in his cheer skirt. just kicks absolutely ass. i just have to transer this from my brain to the google doc 😭😭
9 -- What’s your favorite line(s) or scene(s) that you have written?
im actually rly proud of this whole fic, but i thought i captured lance's character rly well in this one scene in particular:
Luckily for Lance, he’s not the only person on this ship who grew up with siblings. Everyone here knows the art of chore trading. 
He catches Hunk in the morning, holding a laundry hamper far away from his body and scowling at it. 
“Hunk! Buddy, pal, light of my life!” he calls, forcing himself to sound cheerful and possibly even mischievous. He cannot sound desperate, that’s Negotiation 101.
Hunk squints at him suspiciously. “You only call me ‘light of your life’ when you want something,” he accuses. 
Lance clutches his hand to his chest. “You wound me!” he gasps dramatically. “I am heartbroken! The disdain, the accusations – baseless, if I may add – maim me so! My heart! My feelings! My delicate composition –”
“What do you need, Lance,” Hunk interrupts, but he’s grinning. 
Ha! Lance’s dramatics do come in handy, thank you ever so much. He made a grumpy Hunk smile. 
“I have actually come to offer you something, from the generosity of my own heart,” Lance says. “You see, my dearest friend, my love, the man after my own heart –” Hunk rolls his eyes, but doesn’t stop Lance’s theatrics – “I know you despise laundry with every part of your soul. So I, the gracious do-gooder that I am, am offering a trade. A switcheroo, if you will. I’ll take your horrible laundry duty today, and you get to do the slightly less horrible job of cleaning the pods.”
Hunk raises an eyebrow, but he thankfully looks like he’s considering the offer. “What’s in it for you?”
Not having a panic attack, Lance thinks, but he obviously doesn’t say this. “You not telling Shiro we switched so I can safely and subtly snoop through Keith’s shit and he thinks it’s you,” Lance says instead.
yeah! this is my fave fic ive written so far. im genuinely very proud of it, tho if u decide to read it warning for a graphic description of a severe panic attack.
17 -- Are there any writers and/of stories that you consider an influence?
yes omg so many. of course all the big ones, like icypanther and zenstrike and crystalprinces and deerstalkerdeathfrisbee and thenakednymph and shatterinseconds and speaks and a-zap and a-fools-errand, but i have also made several friends in the fandom who create lots of really awesome things! in no particular order:
@awhoreintheory , @sleepdeprivedflower , @dampkiiwi , @viv-is-a-clown , @littendeservesbetter , @why-are-we-here-again , @ashkirschtein , @quevadilla , @stressedsnake , @korean-toilet-ghost , @one-and-lonely16 and of course everyone who has continued to reblog or comment on my fics! this fandom is seriously full of so many creative people who put SO MUCH hard work into everything they do, and im honoured to have had the chance to be a part of what they create and even work with some of them! yall are blessings :))
questions from this ask game! shoot me a number!
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dreamwreaver · 6 months ago
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And I'm sick of having to explain to people like you who insist on putting shit like this in the ship tags instead of letting me enjoy my non cannon ship why I ship it but fuck it, I will.
Point by point;
1. The most important fact is that they are in HELL. Yknow? The place bad people go? While I understand the point narratively that if heaven doesn't know what gets people in there it's likely very arbitrary and stupid, but NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON in the main cast who is a sinner didn't do something to be there. Alastor was a serial killer, Angel was from a mob family and both he and his brother Arakniss worked for the family business, Husk is a gambler who worked in Las Vegas and was likely involved in some of that underbelly stuff. Also, let's recall; HE WAS AN OVERLORD meaning, he also owned souls and consider, we're seeing him post being owned for a while. Odds are that he was likely just as cruel as Alastor can be if not more so. Additionally, while Alastor forces Husk to work at the hotel note that he doesn't do anything to him with his chains until Husk insults him. Hate to say this but Husk attempted to own the radio demon's soul so while it sucks he has no one to blame for willingly entering that bargain except for himself. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
2. Chaggie doesn't get nearly as much shit from the shippers as you seem to claim it does. What it does get is thoughtful critique because a lot of us feel YALL are the ones who should be mad at how this ship was portrayed and aren't. I went into the series open, I knew chaggie was canon, and at most i thought I could enjoy the charlastor crumbs and the chaggie meals. But that's not what happened. Instead, the show decided to tell me that they don't care about this relationship so why should I? And it goes beyond the writing; on the casting sheets Charlie is mentioned to love "her girlfriend" and it's mentioned once. Vaggie by contrast is mentioned to be affiliated with Charlie no less than THREE TIMES. She has absolutely no character outside of Charlie which makes the relationship feel weak, especially when Vaggie's main role in the relationship is being the "practical" one whose every advice to Charlie is just some variation of "change who you are intrinsically to make your message more appealing"
Say what you want about Alastor, but the audience he brought her to finally gave her the self confidence to be herself without getting shit on for it. Vaggie, who supposedly knows so much about hell, didn't think to go to cannibal town as a test run for Charlie's advertisement for the hotel? As for real support? Ah yes, my girlfriend found out I've been lying to her for three years let me leave her alone to sulk while I tell everyone else. Then get mad at her for making a deal with the radio demon for the information to save everyone even though I ALSO made a deal with him to get a commercial made back in episode 1.
I'll give credit where it's due, at least the writing had Vaggie TRY to apologize for everything and Charlie was the one who cut it off because she can't stand the confrontation.
3. I have listened to whatever it takes. My opinion? It's weird, it's a weird song narratively because until episode 7 vaggie has no connection to carmilla. And as far as vaggie's part is concerned it's a less coherent "do it for him" from Steven universe. Seriously, dub that song over the footage and you can't tell the difference. But whatever it takes isn't the crux of the issue. I can forgive a lot of this stuff, but the thing that I cannot stand and demonstrates how little the narrative seems to care about Charlie and vaggie's relationship isn't that Charlie's a bad partner to vaggie, or that vaggie largely has no personality outside being "Charlie's girlfriend" it's that when it came time for the big duet between them; the core le motif of Charlie and vaggie's relationship; they did a reprise of more than anything. A reprise which several breakdowns have put at the bottom of the hazbin song lists.
Why? Why would you give the father/daughter song to the romantic couple? If you only had a minute to dedicate to this "central" relationship at least give them a song of their own. Or I'd have taken a reprise of whatever it takes because at least that's a vaggie centered song. And it's not like as so many people claim the shippers are "homophobic". Leaving aside the fact that a vast majority of charlastor fics actually do handle the topic of his asexuality/aromanticism with nuance and consideration and that even if charlastor were canon it would still be queer af, guess what one of my favorite ships of the last few years was?
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THATS RIGHT LUMITY BABY! And what a conciseness, it's the same bisexual/lesbian woman ship. Except, and I can't believe I'm saying this, DISNEY DID IT BETTER. Take away the build up, take away the first two seasons. Leave yourself with only the third season comprised of only specials and it's STILL a more compelling relationship onscreen than chaggie got.
I don't hate chaggie, my frustration comes mainly from the fact that chaggie shippers deserved better than to have to do the emotional legwork of this ship when it's canon. And the other part? From people who decide to post their diatribes in the tags of the ship I enjoy for my own sake and then get mad when we respond. I don't have to tell you why I like charlastor, but I can give you a bunch of textual reasons. It's a standard romance trope of heroine and male villain, they're dark mirrors of one another, the "I can make him better/I can make her worse" angle, the fact that even Charlie in show admitted that he might not believe in her ideas but he supports her nonetheless and even if that's for his own designs it still matters because no one else bothered. I could point to the fact that Alastor had the opportunity of an afterlife when Charlie offered her soul to him for the information and he said no. All of that, but ultimately the reason I ship charlastor boils down to this;
I like it. I don't need a moral high ground reason to ship it. You don't like it that's your prerogative but you don't see me posting stuff like "chaggie is toxic and unbalanced" in the chaggie tag now do you? I like charlastor, a lot of people like charlastor. Deal with it. Block the ship tag in every platform. Filter it out of your ao3 searches. Put in the effort to avoid it if you hate it that much. Me? I don't hate chaggie, if anything what I feel is much worse; apathy. I don't care about them.
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I always think everyone is free to shipp who they want, but in Hazbin I will never understand who puts Charlie and ALASTOR together.
This is so...sick
Alastor himself aromantic, asexual and above all an ABUSER of the worst kind.
The song Loser,baby places Husk as a loser enslaved to Alastor in the same way as Angel is enslaved to Valentino.
They can tell me all they want that "I can prove Charlastor can work" but the canon says otherwise and to see Chaggie get so much mud from these shippers is really frustrating.
At least Vaggie really thinks about Charlie, not manipulating her for his own purposes....
But then people ignore all those times when Vaggie has been OF REAL SUPPORT to Charlie.
This rabble who belittle Chaggie watched the show with their eyes closed and ears plugged.
Listen to Whatever it takes with your ears pls
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studious-bookworm · 3 years ago
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This is why always Separate the good shippers with the Toxic ones. Like can someone please tell me how can two wrongs make right?
Like ppl are seriously wishing other ppl to die over this shit?
It was always weird for me, How this fandom sometimes act like Skk shippers are the only one who are toxic in this fandom.
Don't get me wrong, There are Skk shippers who are very toxic. But Like not all of them are toxic. Not everyone who ships Soukoku is going to be toxic. A ship/Liking something doesn't make you toxic. It's the type of person you are, That makes you toxic.
"Your people" Who's People? Like we Do not Control their actions. Usually Toxic Soukoku shippers pull their bullshit and starts harassing ppl, I usually see other SKK shippers calling them out on their BS. And making them realize how stupid they are.
Honestly it's kinda sad seeing other ppl apologize for shit that isn't their fault. Like ofc, their is going to be toxic ppl in the Skk Ship. It's one of the popular ships in the BSD Fandom. (if The Most Popular ship in the fandom) so ofc their is going to be lots of controversy.
Because the bigger/more popular something is, The more people it gets and the more toxic ppl it will have.
Because ppl are different and have different personalities not everyone is going to have common sense.(I know it's sad.) Some ppl are just dumb, and for reason alone is why i always separate Regular shippers with the Toxic ones. Because when the Toxic ones do something bad, Then the people with 0 braincells, Starts attacking other ppl who like the same thing simply because they like the same thing.
For example, If a Toxic Skk shipper do something toxic, Somehow, every SKK shipper is responsible for that shit simply for liking SKK. And It's so stupid. It's like saying if a serial killers favorite is pizza then every Pizza lover is a serial killer and is responsible for how man victims deaths. It's so dumb.
Regular shippers cannot control Toxic shippers actions. just because they like the same ship, doesn't mean there the same type of ppl.
I swear people are out here wishing other people would be dead simply because of a ship or a show. Like damn, it's not that serious. please take Michael Jordan's advice and
Stop it, Get some help.
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You Don't like a popular ship? Your getting attacked
You Like Popular Ship? Your getting attacked.
You Don't ship anything at all? You getting attacked.
Toxic shippers are everywhere, even in the ships that are considered to be "Underrated." I mean just because you haven't experience it doesn't mean they don't exist. I had to deal Toxic Odazai shippers, getting on my throat simply because I don't ship Odazai romantically. But whatever, It happens. I just block them and report them.
I swear some ppl, be acting like a ship is their ENTIRE Identity. I don't know about you, but I am a Human being who happens to like ship and i don't care whether it's popular or not.
And this don't go for anything not just for ships. Shipping Is fun ( for some ppl) Because it allows you to be creative and see how would these two characters fit together. But Just like anything else in life, Shipping could be Toxic.
Even if shipping didn't exist, We still have problem like these. But with Anime characters,
You Like this Character? Your getting attacked
You don't like this character? Your getting attacked.
You don't like any character at all? Your getting attacked.
Same thing but with different animes.
Like Ppl, be like all "We'd be better off if all SKK shippers were dead." First of all, Skk shippers are human beings behind the screen their ppl. Second of all, If SKK wasn't the most Popular ship and instead it was another ship Like Odazai or Dazatsu. And your statement would still be the same, Just that it would be another ship name. (So, I don't know what the hell, yall going to be solving.)
I swear, This fandom is slowly becoming MHA fandom. as this series goes on and gain popularity, The ships will too, and the toxicity will too. But when that happens I'lll be long gone. :) either I will have a new obsession or if I still stay in this fandom. "I'll just say I told you so" And continue with My small space with the small friends I've made the along the way. Predicting exactly as I expected. But just take this as another Help Guide/life lesson, In any fandom or any Community that you decide to join, because the problems will always be the same even in IRL.
You can't control what happens, you only control how you react.
And wishing innocent ppl were dead isn't a good reaction to have, Just saying.
Generalization is so unnecessary and it only cause more harm than good.
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just-antithings · 4 years ago
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honestly the Hetalia talks are making me feel better about liking Hetalia 😩 for a few months I've been on the down low about liking it and ffs, every time someone pops a post about "Hetalia is nazi propaganda" the OP is literally someone who knows nothing about Hetalia and cannot bring actual decisive evidence beyond vague hearsay ("I heard from a mutual who had a friend who knew a person that liked Hetalia-") or use another series' content or creator (AOT) to distract people from questioning how Hetalia or Himaruya is "nazi propaganda" despite having no evidence from the series or creator to backup that claim.
OR, most especially, they're projecting their problems onto other people (namely, blaming the fandom and other people about the nazi or confederate fetish they had when they were a 'edgy I like Dark Humour' tween (or as I noticed, because they had heritage from Germany/the South)).
Seriously, yes, there are issue in Hetalia, but whatever issues in Hetalia is also just an standard anime issue.
Lot of white or light-skin characters? Speaking as a brown person, yeah, that's tiring... But how is that different from other manga and anime (hell, that shit even applies to Western media so yall stfu when Western media is just as behind as Japan? (also why is Japan responsible for Western audience representation? Why aren't you taking that issue to Western studios?)) Fucking hell, it's rare for a character to be brown without being the tanned athlete or gyaru in manga/anime - so expecting more than one genuine brown character in anime is laughable when colorism/racism is still just an issue in Japan as it is in the West.
There's "more men than woman" in Hetalia? And? Really how is that different from any other series? It is an issue, sure, but to pretend that it's an issue that started with Hetalia is disingenuous as fuck. (Especially because you look at these anti-Hetalia fans and they'll be into series with just as a severe gender-ratio. Not much a pressing issue as they pretend it to be.)
It's "a yaoi series that caters to fujoshi" - look no matter how much shipping goes on in the fandom, Hetalia is not "a yaoi" (though, nothing wrong with that), and seriously, there is a lot of nonbinary and male fans that ship within the fandom too. Using "fujoshi" is just a misleading excuse to be misogynistic and transphobic (I've seen yall anti-Hetalia fuckers accusing trans men of "fetishizing gay men as a lifestyle").
And lastly, the idea that harassing and shaming Hetalia fans to "protect Jewish and fans of color"? Bull. Crap. Now, is there Hetalia fans who express antisemitic or racist beliefs? Yes, I've ran into them. I'm also ran into Fire Emblem, Pokémon, and Animal Crossing fans who expressed antisemitic or racist beliefs and in those fandoms, I've been told to just "drop it", "leave it", "just ignore them" (yanno, as a brown person). Hetalia is just the scapegoat other people use so as not to address the antisemites and racists within their own fandom. Select Hetalia circles (read: white prevalent, because I'm in largely POC circles) have issues on addressing those problems in our fandom, but so does every other damn fandom too! Because it's "negative drama with bad vibes".
Anyways, Hetalia isn't a perfect series and the English dub has some terrible dark humor, but the current fandom is nothing like the fandom from the early 2000/2010s because the "older fandom" (i.e. the edgy kids and teens that look at Hetalia as their cringe phase because of socialized bigotry and a lack of proper social behavior) has largely left, and those who stayed do our damnist to instill better behavior because we do acknowledge that select behaviors is bad (i.e. wubbifying or romanticizing nazism, the confederate South, ussr, etc, or current events/tragedies/politics).
But ah yes, none of that happens because we're a hivemind who all "went through a nazi phase because the fandom embraces it" (newsflash, we aren't, we don't, and hell that's a lot of projecting personal failures).
hell yes anon go off!!!!!!
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wwjzww · 1 year ago
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!!!!!!! i’ve seen this before lmaoooo like please sit down. unless we saw / JKR wrote 2 versions of Draco in the books / movies, then please like take several seats. BE SERIOUS. CANON Draco is a little shit. so if yall ship drarry but shit on dramione, i have to laugh. i cannot take yall seriously when the main man here is Draco yet yall wanna shit on dramione.
i don’t care who people wanna ship. drarry, drinny (draco x ginny), hell yall can ship dron (draco x ron), i don’t care but come up with BETTER reasons why yall hate dramione.
and yup, a lot of queers do love dramione but i don’t understand why being queers and/or how fans identify themselves have anything to do with shipping some SILLY FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
THEY ARE FICTIONAL. 😭😭
I think one of the most out of touch things I’ve seen in the Harry Potter fandom is Drarry shippers hating on Dramione… Ma’am I assure you, you are no better than me IF ANYTHING you’re actually worse bc Harry nearly killed Draco IN CANON… The same cannot be said for any Draco/Hermione interactions.
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