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my reign approaches.
#music#furry#furry music#casejackal#hi i'm case#felt like being pink for this one#say hello to my palette swap AU fursona#i call them JC
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Bros before Ho(oh my god is that Hanguang-Jun?)
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#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#jiang cheng#WWX really was unhinged for saying he was going to always be at JC's side and then immediately asking about LWJ.#The D in ADHD stands for Distractible. The second D stands for DooowawawaWaaaah (ADHDers know what I mean)#Their conversation is such a knife twist in this flashback. WWX truly and genuinely does mean it when he says he wants to support JC#And that JC hopes for that too! Tragedies hit the hardest when you can feel the lost futures characters would have together#And I feel it here in this scene so painfully. There's complicated feelings between them but it wasn't what broke them apart.#The rumours and the twisted family dynamics that tried to pit them against each other likely wouldnt have worked.#It set the stage for JC to have an inferiority complex which then grows into his responsibility complex.#WWX even calls it out! That JC has to be the responsible one in the dynamic.#And it sucks to be in that unequal position with a sibling or a not-sibling.#You don't get the love *or* acknowledgement but you do get the pressure to be the 'better one' in the face of the other's misbehaviour.#But I digress. There was a world where they did became the twin heroes of yunmeng jiang and stayed together.#And we'll never see it. That world is gone now. And just like Lotus pier -even if they tried to rebuild it - they will never be the same.
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That one Steven Universe meme but with my babygirls
#i also tried a new brush with this#i can´t call them comfort characters bc neither had comfort in their lives#maybe xl now#but not jc :(#artists on tumblr#art#mdzs#mo dao zu shi#jiang cheng#jiang wanyin#tgcf#tian guan ci fu#heaven official's blessing#xie lian#tgcf art#mdzs fanart#steven universe meme#mxtx#danmei#fanart
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forgive the brief jesus chris superstar rant but. there is a very important difference between the pharisees being villains and the pharisees being antagonists. they're technically antagonists because they're actively working against the interests of our protagonist, but i don't believe they should ever be played as villains. they're not evil or bad or wrong. they're terrified just like literally everyone else in the show is, and their actions are completely justified. to me that's the entire point of the musical. it's not about christianity; it's about the impact the roman empire's brutal and violent imperialism had on everyone on all levels. including jesus and judas, but also including the pharisees, and even herod and pilate. when a powerful coloniser forces their presence on innocent people they are the only winners. everyone else suffers, even the puppet kings and high priests who look like they're reaping some sort of benefit from it all. that's roman propaganda. the romans kept native rulers like herod and caiaphas in power to maintain the illusion of provincial autonomy, and keep populations appeased and therefore under control. everyone in the show is acting out of fear of the romans. the one roman character we do see (pilate) is acting out of fear of his own emperor. it makes no sense to cast the pharisees as two dimensional Bad Guys, especially when the same productions that do that usually offer a sympathetic portrayal of pilate. it would be so easy to stage and direct a production in a way that makes it obvious that the pharisees are doing what they're doing because they truly have no choice, and not because they're pure evil and want to kill jesus for the sake of it. it's not only an antisemitic trope but also undermines a really important theme of the musical. if you can see the humanity in the violent roman governor installed forcefully on conquered land then you can afford some humanity for the pharisees too. they are victims of pilate and victims of rome just like everyone else
#THEY ARE NOT ALLIES OF PILATE. they have a common interest yes. ie avoiding punishment from rome#but the pharisees have no choice but to go to pilate. they have no real power. because like i said. they are puppet rulers#i am just tired of seeing the pharisees as villains#IF YOU WANT A VILLAIN (idk why you need to have one i don't think this show is about that) IT SHOULD BE FUCKING PILATE. AND NO ONE ELSE#THE PHARISEES ARE NOT VILLAINS. THEY ARE NOT EVIL. THEY ARE VICTIMS.#i am tired of seeing them costumed or directed in a way that makes them stereotypical Bad Guys#the 2k version of jcs is my favourite but i HATE how it portrays the pharisees at times especially annas#when annas pushes judas to the floor for literally no reason it's like. you are going out of your way to make these guys seem evil#sucks because the actor from 2k is the best annas i've ever seen in terms of presence and voice#and the actor who plays caiaphas in that film does a really good job at showing fear instead of pure anger and evil#but it's generally all still done in a way that makes the priests seem evil. in my opinion#and yes i called pilate violent. he's not in A Lot of productions but. the real pilate was an extremely brutal governor#and there's a very good reason for portraying him as such. especially when you consider the themes i mentioned here#jesus christ superstar#jcs#ask to tag
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#mdzs#jiang cheng#yanyan polls#jc apologism#does this warrant the apologism tag? idk#better meta-writers than i have spilled much ink on this subject#but why is jc still unmarried? this isnt the sort of setting where people marry for love#and even characters like wen chao and jin guangshan are married so jc what is going on???#king do your filial duty#also given the jiang sect's prominence and ties with the jin sect (via jin ling) ppl really are sleeping on some prime political real estat#like even if you hate his guts madame of lotus pier is a pretty sweet position to have#and if he really sucks too much shit you can find some way to incapacitate him or get rid of him. smh just poison him fr#also#you will notice that there is no “he's a misogynist” option#antis like to call jc a misogynist but tbh i dont see much evidence for that in the text#the only female characters jc interacts with at length in the text are his mom and his sister. and he's respectful of both of them#he also hears out sisi and bicao seriously instead of yeeting them. which would be more normal for a nobleman of his position to do#tbf this is also because there just arent that many female characters for jc to interact with. mxtx did not want to write women :(
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Battle tendency sketch based on a pinterest pose i saw
Idk if ill finish it but we'll see
#my art#jjba#jojos bizarre adventure#caejose#caejoseq#is that their name..i have no idea cuz i call them jc#joseph joestar#battle tendency#art#suzi quatro#caesar zeppeli
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Went down a bit of a rabbit hole (the jc antis were so insistent that "canon jc" was the only tag for them so I wanted to see of "jc critical" was a tag that was actively used) and what do you mean people are calling Jiang Cheng an incel???
Like, when in the books has he ever been hostile towards a woman because they've refused to have sex with him??? When in the books has he even tried to have sex with a woman? Like, if you want to argue that he has internalized misogyny because of his beauty standards thing, sure- I'll hear you out- but incel is a very specific brand of misogyny and it is pure headcanon if you want to call him that
And I kept seeing people bring up the getting black listed by matchmakers thing as proof he's an incel and like??? You know there's more possibilities for why he'd be undatable than just "being an incel," right? Like, maybe he's just loud and angry. Maybe he just jumps to conclusions during arguments. Maybe he just doesn't know how to drop grievances. Maybe he's just an equal opportunity asshole. Or maybe he's just an emotional constipated stick-in-the-mud. The possibilities are endless and acting like "he's an incel" is the canon answer is just clown behavior
#mdzs discourse#jiang cheng#jiang cheng positive#jiang cheng critical#idk man- tagging both because I'm happy to both defend and shit on him when it comes to things he actually did#like i would not hang out with him if he was a real person#but i think making shit up as a means to hate on him is kinda silly#what if we started calling jc antis posts “jc behavior.” think that'd shut them up in the same way “shen yuan behavior” did for svsss antis?#also to anyone who said “why would anyone headcanon jc as ace? why would you want him as ace rep? what would that say about ace people”-#go eat sand#ace people are people and just as capable of sucking as anybody else is#someone headcanoning a character as ace says absolutely nothing about the ace community as a whole#one character never can and never will represent an entire group of people#jiang cheng antis are so strange#I'm not a jc stan but I'm siding with them lately because the other side is just fucking unhinged
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Wen Qing: I am in a lesbian relationship. Not with a woman, but with a man who's a bitch *looks at Jiang Cheng at her side*
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#chengqing#I thought about them due the way the part of the fandom I am in calls jc 'neglected wife at birth' lol#mar!nonsense
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I need people to realize that any care shown by JC does not somehow wash away his shittiness. It's the equivalent of telling a battered woman her husband obviously cares and loves her because he kisses her on the way out the door (never mind her face is black and blue). If an abuser makes a nice gesture, he's still an abuser. 🤷🏽♀️
People excuse child abuse in a way they wouldn’t domestic abuse* because they do not see children as full people. Jiang Cheng smacking Jin Ling around is a hard line only for some readers, but quite a few others would feel perfectly alright with marking Jiang Cheng as a great guardian if the physical abuse never occurred, even as we watch him verbally and emotionally abuse Jin Ling before the first hit lands in canon. Just watch how they downplay Jiang Cheng’s abuse of Wei Wuxian because it’s “just words” that they can brush off. “All bark and no bite” they call him, ignoring how those words clearly make Wei Wuxian never want to be around Jiang Cheng again. “All bark and no bite” they call him, despite the fact that Jin Ling constantly runs away from Jiang Cheng because of those words. Idk, sounds like the bark comes with a lot of bite.
*people will only admonish domestic abuse in hypothetical situations, cause if people actually cared about physical violence between partners, it would not be socially acceptable to discuss the ways in which people “acceptably” physically abuse their partners to “keep them in line,” much like how people discuss children. This is a gender- and sexuality-neutral observation.
#mdzs asks#anon#people only seem to clock something as abusive#when it is outright called abuse#that’s when they think it’s wrong#seriously: saw a post that said jl wasn’t abused because mxtx never used the word ‘abuse’ in the text#but if you were to start describing abusive actions#without labeling them as abusive beforehand#suddenly ‘hey i do that and it’s perfectly normal!’#people have been taught to associate bad behavior to words#but not their material actions#and that’s why we can get ‘jc isn’t an abuser because nobody explicitly calls him one#his loved ones avoiding him or cutting ties means nothing because they don’t call it abuse!’
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trying and failing to think of how to say this in a way that won't make wei wuxian fans mad at me, but while it can be true that you don't owe anything to others and you shouldn't be forced to stay in toxic situations, i feel there is a difference between protecting your peace and just refusing to engage with difficult situations because you don't want to. wei wuxian doesn't like people having expectations of him, because he doesn't want to feel obligated to meet those expectations. wei wuxian doesn't like having to manage other people's emotions or show his own, and he would much prefer everyone to repress and pretend like everything's fine until the problem is either forgotten or it blows up in his face. i admit i may be speaking from personal experience, but when wei wuxian says "it's water under the bridge, i've forgotten and so should you," what i hear is a refusal to engage and a dismissal of the other person's feelings. it's not the "mature" answer to me, it's the answer of someone who still doesn't want to take accountability for what they did and wants the obligation they have to just disappear.
which is why he goes with lan wangji and not jiang cheng because lan wangji does not ask wei wuxian for anything and literally does whatever wei wuxian wants. and like good for them, good that they're happy, but ultimately, cutting off anyone that pushes back and asks you to explain yourself... if you knew someone irl that did that, you probably would not think it was a great quality
i'm not saying it makes him a bad person, it makes him a person. but just because the protagonist thinks and acts a certain way does not mean they're automatically in the right, by virtue of being the protagonist.
#tagging this as#wei wuxian critical#even tho i love him to pieces i love him to the moon and back i really really do but#due diligence#so yeah anyways call me jc-pilled if you want but i was thinking about this again#and i guess the question comes down to what do we owe other people if anything#and i personally don't agree with the take that we owe them nothing#and ik some people will say oh but jc was abusive and i don't have time for that but no he was not#i don't think wei wuxian owes an explanation to literally every single person his actions ended up hurting#or indeed to most of the cultivation world#but i do think he owes jc an explanation#an explanation that potentially could have saved him in his first life if he could have taken that step#anywaysssss#ik too many people that the second i've pushed back on their reasoning i was blocked or frozen out#it's not a cool thing#mdzs
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I will happily use the abbreviations for most mxtx characters but I just can't do it for hualian. ah yes my favorite characters (checks abbreviations) Headcanon and Extra Large
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The Art of Dreams: Reflections and Representations
The Tomb of Caterina della Ratta and the Iconography of the Reclining Reader in Renaissance Sepulcharl Art, Yonni Ascher
Ancestor Masks and Aristocratic Power in Roman Culture, Harriet I Flower
okay so just. play connect the dots with me for a second. Girolamo Basso della Rovere is Giuliano della Rovere's (Pope Julius II) cousin. Ascanio Sforza was a long time rival, and later ex-enemy of Giiuliano's. this kind of familial mirroring in the tombs, the way that Ascanio is being subsumed into a matching visual with someone of della Rovere's family is. interesting. because it goes well beyond the expected patron-client relationship between the pope and his cardinals. like, these were companion monuments.
there's also a kind of tragic romantic violence to it, given Ascanio's persistent loyalty to his family and Milan, and Ludovico's plans to have Ascanio's body brought back to Milan in the event of his death and interred in the same chapel as Beatrice d'Este.
#i want to break into the vatican with a seance board and summon della rovere's ghost to ask him if he fucked that vice chancellor#ANYWAY it's probably a good thing i didn't go to a real college and pursue like. renaissance studies or something#can you imagine how insufferable i would be fighting it out. thankfully i just draw comics and i can say things like#i DO think he fucked that vice chancellor. actually.#that said. someday im going to get my hands on a couple of documents and actually start swinging#because i do think that several scholars got something seriously wrong in their assumptions and im about 80% confident in my stance#but im not going to throw rocks at anything until. i can read. the full letters. with my eyeballs.#moving past that im just. oughhhhhhhhhh. the inscriptions too. part of me thinks that della rovere was pulling some julius caesar#bullshit with it. another part of me wonders if della rovere wanted their reconciliation to outlast both of them so he had it immortalized#on ascanio's monument. RIP buddy. that is absolutely not what happened#GOD THIS IS PLAYING 5D chess. julius II named himself after caesar not the previous pope julius#octavian is JC's heir. ascanio does have agrippa parallels but also specifically his name calls to rome's founding. there's a lot! to unpac#or. uh. there could be! s4 borgias should've had della rovere seduce him away from rodrigo
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He dies if you don't pay attention to him, its a very urgent situation for an uncle to attend to.
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#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#wei wuxian#jiang cheng#jin ling#In the audio drama he's banging on the door and it cracks me up#i really wanted to draw jin ling banging on a window but I could not make it look right B*(#he exhibits such strong needy little dog vibes in this scene#scratching and banging at the door because its *Closed*!!!! how could you do this!!! aughhh!!!#i called him jiang cheng’s designer depression puppy before but this really proves it#this is the perfect and ideal form of a spoiled character. when he gets away beeing needy because he’s loved#JC’s threats are *so* empty. He’s the uncle who says ‘no more candy for today’ and caves after looking at JL’s wet eyes#‘hey op are you going to talk about the clown nose?’ okay sure. it was tucked into the fluff of the dog from the last comic#or maybe wwx just grows them every once in a while when he’s being a clowned on
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sorry but i’m actually just gonna start blocking people who put zhuiling hate in tags bc yall will ship every incest ship in the book then trash on the one ship where they’re genuinely NOT related and it’s getting so fucking old
#like holy fuck i am TIRED of the hypocrisy fr#idk what’s so hard to understand about martial relationships too#are yall misreading it as marital or something???#JC and WWX aren’t blood related#LSZ isn’t WWX and LWJs son#LSZ isn’t blood related to literally anyone who isn’t a wen#LSZ and JL didn’t even grow up together#and no one who’s sane would ever call them cousins just like WWX was never seen as a sibling to JC & JYL#which is why both LSZs ‘adoption’ & him being JLs cousin are both headcanons#not canon#like i’m really so confused why that’s so difficult for people to comprehend??#apple babble 🍎#delete later#not starting drama either so don’t waste my time with any anti bullshit#so not in the mood
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something something abt fans mostly calling jiang cheng by his given name rather than his courtesy name not because that's what most of the other characters call him but because that's what wei wuxian calls him and as an audience we almost always see jiang cheng through wei wuxians eyes
#for any other character calling them by their given name is uncommon except for wen ning but Most Characters call him wen ning not just wwx#its even uncommon with lan wangji who we Also see through wwxs eyes and who he Also referes to w his given name almost exclusively#I don't even know the point I'm trying to make here its just something I think about a lot#something about familial connection affecting the very way we as viewers speak about the story etc etc#something about wei wuxian always seeing jiang cheng through older brother vision#oiughh#ghost posts#text#jc#wwx#yunmeng bros
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projects that have utterly consumed me in the last month:
the linden game
six dead princes (sorry not sorry)
a private little in-development idea that's just "what if grim reapers had coworker drama and love lives" currently titled it's a living
#SDP and IAL both came out of nowhere and fucking blindsided me fwiw#sdp was me going “but what if i WAS trashy”#and ial literally hit me like a truck at work#feat. queer m/f couple Jace (JC) (Jules-César) and Zaley (Azalea) (no one is allowed to call her Azalea.)#Jace is a starvation reaper who cares too much about other people to inflict his presence on them#and Zaley is a perfectly normal human being who happens to be friends w one of Jace's coworkers#feat. Jace's coworkers going “bro you need a life.”
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