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Episode 79 Transcript: He Grabs His Yankle

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, it's Grey.

C: Hello, it's Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, some one who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian

G: Both Asian! For today's episode, we will be discussing Season 4, Episode 19: "Jump the Shark," written by Andrew Dab and Daniel Loflin, directed by Phil Sgriccia.

C: Right, so we just looked up what "jump the shark" means [G, laughing: Yeah.], and Wikipedia says that it's when "a creative work has reached a point where it's exhausted its core intent and is introducing new ideas that are discordant with, or an over exaggeration of, its original purpose."

G: I love it.

C: [laughing] So essentially like, "I don't know what else to do with Season 4. Let's give them another brother." [laughs]

G: Yeah, literally like, "This is a 22-episode season, and we're missing one episode idea. So like, let's just throw this in there." But like, I do love this episode. I think it's super fun!

C: It's a good episode.

G: It's super fun.

C: I had a fun time with it. It feels very Season 1, which I liked.

G: Yes, it does. It feels Season 1 in that a lot of the emotional core of the episode is very John-centric and family-centric, and also like, the discussions that they're having here of like, "What is hunting? What is like- What does it mean for us to have grown up with this life?" etc. etc. is very Season 1. [C: Yeah.] And of course we're gonna continue having those questions throughout the show, but it's nice to revisit it, I feel, every once in a while as the story progresses, because, like, it does change, but also it doesn't. You know?

C: Yeah, yeah. I mean, they never went to therapy about it. [laughs] They have not processed it.

G: Yeah. Yeah, like, their perspectives in life are gonna change. Their experiences are gonna expand. But at the end of the day, they still did grow up with the childhood that they had. Like, they're always gonna carry that. [sadly] Oh. Well. Actually, like, this is one of those episodes where, usually, when I go in, I have like, a specific set of talking points that I want to bring up, and a lot of it is like, "I just wanna go and say my piece, [laughs] and then Crystal can do whatever." [laughing] [C: Uh-huh.] But this episode, I was like, "This is one of those episodes where I want to discuss it." [C: Okay.] Because especially the conversations Sam and Dean have, specifically the one about like, Adam being bait, the one they have right after that scene, I think it is so great. It's so rich, and it's so meaty, and it's like, while I was watching it, I was like, tearing up, and I knew, kind of, what I was feeling, but like, not in any way I can articulate, and so I'm looking forward to this discussion because I'm like, "Okay. Now, finally, I can articulate it" [laughs] hopefully, when we discuss it.

C: Okay. Yeah, I think it may still end up being you saying your piece because I feel like- I did not cry during this episode. I was just going, "Wow, Adam, as like, ghoul!Adam is literally the funniest guy alive. Go him!" And secondly, "Wow, Sam sure is a dick." [laughs] Like, I think during discussion I'll I'll be able to tease out more of why Sam ended up here 'cause it does like, make sense, [G: Yeah.] but it makes sense to me more of like, a- the writers were like, "There's two different ways that one could react to Adam in this situation. Here's the two, and we're gonna give one to Dean, and one to Sam, and the Sam one will make sense, but it would also make sense if it was swapped. But since we've given this one to Sam, people can just decide why it is after we give it to him."

G: Yeah. It is also so fascinating to me because through- like, I always remember Season 4 as a wonderful season, just absolutely amazing, right?

C: And this is the one episode whose name we didn't remember in the fucking Supernatural episodes title quiz that still haunts me every single day. [G laughs] Yeah?

G: The one where I claimed there was a bug man in Supernatural and did lose my mind completely when I couldn't find it. Well, there was a bug man in Supernatural, just so that everyone is known.

C: There was a bug man.

G: Yeah. Wonderful, wonderful episode.

C: Oh, yeah, that's a Ko-Fi bonus, so I guess only one person listening knows what we're talking about. [G laughs] We did the quiz where you're supposed to name every single episode of Supernatural, [G: Yeah.] and we got every single one [G: In Season 4, yeah.] except for “Jump the Shark.”

G: Yeah, in Season 4. We had like, a bunch of season others that were like, kind of sketchy.

C: Okay, true, yeah.

G: Yeah. I mean, as I was saying like, Season 4, I was like, iconic season. Iconic season. But like, while we were watching it like, just right before we took the break, I was like-

C: Is it?

G: - "This season is like, kind of bad." [C laughs] It's not like, as cohesive as I thought it was, right? [C: Mm-hm.] And then we come back and like, "Death Takes a Holiday," okay, fine. So-so episode. And then we go "On a Head of a Pin."

C: Awesome, yeah.

G: Yeah. And "It's a Terrible Life," "Monster at the End of This Book," and then "Jump the Shark." And it's like, these are 4 episodes in a row that are so good and like, iconic. They mean something, they're saying something, and they're good. Like, they're mood pieces, a lot of them. And it's like, you know, very fun, very moody, very atmosphere. And then I look at the rest of the episodes that are to come this season, and I'm like, "Okay, I completely understand now why I thought Season 4 was like, an absolute gem of a season of Supernatural." It's because this final lineup of episodes from 16 to 22 are just iconic.

C: Ends with a 7-episode high note.

G: Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I feel like every time you go through Season 4, even if the middle parts are like, a bit sketchy, once you hit "On the Head of a Pin," everything after that is so amazing that you're like, you do like, a retrospective like, you wash all of that terrible memories of the middle episodes away with this very high note at the end. It's amazing! The episode after this is "The Rapture." [C: Mm-hm.] Crazy! [laughs] And then it's "When the Levee Breaks" and then it's "Lucifer Rising"! What if it's all over? Iconic.

C: Yeah. Well. I hope that it is as good as promised.

G: So yeah, Crystal, what'd you know about this episode before you watched it?

C: So I knew that they were going to meet Adam, who's their younger half-brother from John and some woman named Kate that he met on a hunt, and that during the discussion of that, there's like, a very interesting line about how like, "Sometimes like, you save the girl, and sometimes the girl's grateful," as like, how Adam could have come into being, which I think we've discussed before in terms of, like, the damsel-rescuer sexual dynamics of like, the Supernatural woman of the week. I knew that after that, they like, cross-checked John's journal to see that Adam's never mentioned [G, laughing: Which is so funny.], but he often goes to the city that he's living in, like, each year, possibly on his birthday? Not each year, but he goes there.

G: Yeah, not only that, he fucking tears off the pages [C laughing] that mention having sex with Adam's mom, which is so iconic of him.

C: And that while they're there, Adam's gonna tell them that John was a good dad and took him to baseball games and Dean's gonna be really mad about it, but then it'll turn out that Adam and Kate are both dead, and that this is a ghoul having a lot of fun, and they eventually have to kill it and burn the body. So that's what I knew!

G: You know what? I didn't know about the ghoul part.

C: Wait, you didn't? You've seen this!

G: I thought that was another episode. I thought they meet him, and then next episode, he's gonna be dead by a ghoul, and then brought up-

C: No, he's super super dead, and then [G laughs] Cas drags his body out of the Earth and is like, "Can you defeat Michael" or some shit to him in Season 5.

G: "Can you be Michael's vessel?" [C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.] Yeah. I mean, I knew that conceptually, but I was still a bit surprised. I mean, I don't know. I think it was something like- I thought it was like, they do actually meet him, and then he dies.

C: Like, he gets replaced midway through? [G: Yes.] Nah, this is all the ghoul, baby!

G: There was- at some point in this episode, like, you know, when he does the final switch where he's holding the gun - which is such a stupid thing to do, Sam, by the way. Like, you're gonna give the kid the gun to shoot his mom? [laughing] He's right there!

C: No, at the end, Sam was the one holding the gun, and then Adam wrested it away from him.

G: Then he should have just wrestled it back! I don't know, I thought it was stupid as fuck.

C: Well, I mean, well, the thing about someone holding a gun is that when you try to wrest the gun back, they may shoot you with the gun, [laughs] [G: That's true!] so one must be careful in that situation.

G: [laughs] This is true, but also Sam is like, master gun-holder and Adam just held a gun for the first time today, so.

C: I mean, Adam did a decent job at shooting those targets. [G: For real.] And Sam's trying really hard to give him a chance. [G: He's a natural.] I mean, he's probably just thinking about how like, life would be a lot more bearable on the road if Dean wasn't the only person he could talk to, [G laughing] so that probably distracted his judgment.

G: I mean, we did say that [overlapping] having a younger brother-

C: - would fix them.

G: - would solve Sam and Dean's problems in life, and you know what? I think it would. Or maybe it won't. Let's see. Let's see where the discussion takes us.

C: I think this epiosde does not show that.

G: No, I think I do think it's interesting that Dean's perspective is like, "Yeah, like, we're all-we all come from the same dad, but whatever we experienced as children, we deserved that, and Adam doesn't." And it's like, "Okay, well, absolutely crazy take. Good for you."

C: Deserved? I don't think that's what Dean meant.

G: Yeah, of course. It's more of like, "We're already here already, so like, might as well."

C: Yeah.

G: But again, we'll talk about when we discuss it, because my thoughts are not well-formulated as of now.

C: Wait, so like, when did you know that he was a ghoul?

G: I don't know. When he turned around and was like [both] "I know." or something.

C: And gave a sicko smile of sicko-ness

G: [laughs] Yeah, he was like, "Ha ha, yeah!! Ha ha!" [C laughs] sicko voice.

C: Yeah.

G: So the "Then" sequence this episode, pretty banger! I do love it when they have a "Then" sequence that is like, so obviously, John. [C laughs] 'Cause John, like, only shows up, honestly, for a really few episodes, and so like, they just recycle that shit. Good for them. [C: Yeah.] I don't know. Some iconic lines here are like, John saying that "I couldn't accept that we were different" and Sam being like, "We're not different, like, not anymore," which they do bring up this episode. They also bring up a lot of the blood-drinking stuff because it becomes semi-relevant later in a way that's so confusing to me. Like, what? Supernatural, what are you trying to tell me? What the fuck is this about?

C: Oh, yeah, when when the ghouls are like, "His blood taste different"?

G: No, I mean, specifically, it was like, when the ghouls go, "Oh, but why is my dad a monster? Because of what he ate?" And that's supposed to be like, a Sam like, "You're a monster, too, because of what you drink." And I think it's supposed to be-

C: Oh, I did not read it like that at all.

G: Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, of course, I also was like, "I don't read it like that," but like, I think Supernatural wants us to be like, "Yeah, Sam is also a monster! What a fucking hypocrite!" [C: Huh.] But it's supposed to be like, "Yeah, that guy wasn't a monster, and, like, Sam, isn't a monster." [C: Yeah, literally.] But the way it's framed in the story, is like [C: I guess so.

, "That guy's horrible, and Sam's horrible." And I was like, Supernatural what the fuck is wrong with you? [laughs]

C: Yeah, I mean, wild of them to give the ghouls such a good, logical argument but to think that we would not think that it's a good, logical argument? Like, literally, they were right. They were both right.

G: No, because the whole time they're like, "Oh, yeah, like, my dad was evil, and I'm mad at you, and this is revenge." But, like, the distinction we are supposed to make, I believe, is that when Sam and Dean do revenge, they want to do it, but they feel bad about it. [C laughing] And these two, it's like, they want to do it, but they're like, "Yeah, I mean, this is a fine thing we're doing, I think." So like, that makes it bad. It's not the action, it's how you feel.

C: It's like how torture in Supernatural, you have to feel bad about it also. God.

G: Yeah, exactly. It's not about what the action actually is. It's about how you feel about the action, like, when you do your torture/killing for revenge situation, do you go, "Oh, woe is me," [C laughs] or do you do like a "Ha ha! Yeah! Ha ha!" in a sicko voice. [C laughs] And that's what makes it either morally bad or morally good.

C: Oh, god, Supernatural's so fucked in the head. [G laughs]

G: It's such a fucked in the head show, for fucking real. [laughs] "You can only do things that are logically sound and that you want to do if you feel bad about it." [C laughs] Like, okay, sure.

C: Yeah, you should also do logically unsound things all the time [G laughs] just based off of "it's evil it's not human." God. [G, laughing: Yeah.] Whatever. Whateber. What-fucking-eber.

G: [laughing] Whatever. Well, so-

C: Also, the "Then" sequence ends with Dean saying, "It's already gone too far, Sam. If I didn't know you, I would want to hunt you." Can you believe he said that shit? [laughs] No wonder I was like, miserable for a week after I watched that episode and hated recording it so much.

G: Yeah, it's an insane thing to say. And like, honestly, that's what like- the fact that the "Then" sequence ends with that is what informs my like, conviction that my interpretation-

C: Mm, that that's what they were going with with the ghouls?

G: Yeah. 'Cause like, they wouldn't do this- they wouldn't put that line in there if it wasn't- They would put the line of Sam being like, [teary] "I'm not actually-" or whatever. Has he ever said that? Or was he just like, "Yeah, I am evil. But I'm sad about it!" or whatever. [C laughing] Supernatural is such a stupid-

C: I think he said things in "Metamorphosis." But I guess that line does remind me about- Okay, in Season 2, Dean never was like, "Dad told me to kill you, but I promise I won't," right? He just said, "I'll save you so I don't have to kill you." right? Like, that's what he said?

G: Yeah. I think so.

C: Okay, well, first, fucked. Secondly, like, I feel like Sam's arrogance in Season 4 is the only thing preventing me from wondering if part of the reason why he's hiding it from Dean is that like, he'll be like, "Well, Dean, said that if I cross a certain line, he'll kill me. This is probably the line." [G: Slay.] But I feel like Season 4 Sam is in a mental and emotional place where, like, if he had that thought, he would be able to repress it really fast and have it not affect him much. Maybe- I feel like if he had the thought, he'd have it in like, a, "Oh, but I could take him. But I don't want to be in a position where I have to."

G: Yeah, he'd probably be like, "Dean is too weak to kill me" [both laugh] or whatever.

C: [laughing] No, for real. [G laughs] God.

G: I love how at the beginning of this recording, I was like, "And these last seven episodes are so good and so iconic!" And now we're just, "Supernatural is so stupid!" But like, both things can be true.

C: Love is love.

G: Yeah. Love is love.

G: So we start this episode in this woman's house, and I don't know. She's walking around, kind of screaming. She's scared something chasing her, etc. She ends up backed against a door and then, you know, backed against something else. And eventually, she's like, by the bed. And she's still terrified. She's standing beside the bed, and we see, like, a shot from underneath the bed. It's, you know, normal, typical horror movie like, being is creeping out of the bed into this unsuspecting woman's feet. And then she gets grabbed. She screams. And as she gets dragged on the floor, she leaves scratch marks, and the dresser falls over, and we see that part of the stuff knocked over is a solo picture of John Winchester.

C: [laughing] Solo. Solo.

G: Solo!

C: On her nightstand.

G: What the fuck is this?

C: Like, she goes to sleep every night, waves goodnight to a solo photo of John fucking Winchester. Like, no, she does not.

G: Like, why?

C: Like, they have photos later of, like, the two of them together. If it was a photo of the two of them together, I'd be like, "Okay, that's fine." Like, that's something you would put in your bedroom. Solo photograph of John Winchester? And she doesn't even know he's dead, right? So like-

G: She doesn't know he's dead, 'cause if she did, the ghouls would know just because they have like- they keep their memories-

C: Yeah, they have her memories from taking over her body or eating her or whatever.

G: It's so odd!

C: If he was dead, like sure, you could have that. But like, come on. John? Winchester? Solo picture? God. Poor woman.

G: Also, like, I don't understand what the relationship between Kate and John is supposed to be. Like, are they supposed to be in love?

C: I don't know. Because, yeah, I really thought it was- 'cause, okay, she wouldn't tell Adam about him or call him until like, what?

G: When Adam was twelve, yeah.

C: - six years ago? And then he would only visit on Adam's birthday and shit. Are you telling me- what? She's been like, holding out for John Winchester for 6 years? Like, that's incredibly sad. [laughs] I don't think anyone would do that.

G: Also, John died like, 4 years ago, right. What is it? I don't know when John died.

C: Yeah, he died in Season 2, so I guess he died 2 years ago.

G: Oh, yeah. Dean does say that. What an odd, odd, odd-

C: Also, she thinks he's a mechanic, right?

G: Yeah, I have no idea what's going on.

C: So like- Yeah. Like, he doesn't really have like, an excuse. Like, if she wanted to be with him, she would have just like, asked.

G: Moved to where he is like, doing mechanic work, yeah.

C: Moved to where he is like, mechanicking, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I think that perhaps-

G: Is she pining? What is this?

C: - Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin don't understand what people are like. [laughs]

G: If this was kind of like, a, so like, John shows up and then like, 12 years gone, and then he realizes he has a kid and then commits to himself to this family, like, that would make more sense.

C: But he does not.

G: But obviously, that doesn't happen. Obviously, it's not what happens, so I don't know. I don't know.

C: Yeah. Yeah. You think when he visits, she like, hides the portrait, or like, he comes in-

G: 'Cause it's like, it's too embarrassing?

C: - and he's like, "That's a normal thing to have on the nightstand!"

G: Yeah. [laughs]

C: Like, "Correct of you to do. I see you once a year. I hope that you look at my photograph every night."

G: They also have a picture together that's like, they're lovey-dovey. Like, they're like- her hand is on John's neck or whatever.

C: Right, so are they meant to be like, long-distance? Like, were they like, [laughs] supposed to be dating throughout Season 1.

G: [laughing] That is so- Maybe Season 1 John was gone because he was having a torrid love affair honeymoon period with Kate.

C: Yeah, maybe so. He was like, "God, I'm so obsessed with getting revenge for Mary's death, blah blah blah blah blah, but also, like, most of the time I'm not looking for the demon." I mean, Kate is blond.

G: No, I mean, here's the thing. The reason why they have this picture is because it's similar to a picture that John and Mary have, and that's the whole point. That's the whole point. [C: Right.] It's for Dean to look at it and go, "Ugh. Just like Dad and Mom. But that's not Mom. [fake-teary] That's another woman! [C: Yeah.] Hweaghh!" [both laughing] So like, it's so stupid!

C: Yeah, I have no clue what the nature of their relationship is.

G: Best not to speculate, yeah.

C: Yeah. [both laugh] Best not.

Aiya. Well, now that we've panned this poor woman for her decor choices for 10 minutes or some shit [G laughs], let's move on to the episode.

C: We start by a lake. It's morning. The Impala is parked. And Sam is outside leaning against and brushing his teeth! It's so cute.

G: He's not using toothpaste.

C: He also does not have water to rinse off the toothbrush. Like, it's gotta be icky.

G: I think he's using the salt method where, like, you brush your teeth with salt, [C: Mm.] I suppose, is what he's doing. I mean, they have so much salt, so it probably is like, "All of our toothpaste budget went into the salt, [both laugh] so like, let's just use the salt to brush my teeth." But also, what an odd, odd, odd- I don't know. I thought it was odd. Good for him, though.

C: No, I guess they just don't have time to hold on to things, so no toothpaste.

G: He doesn't even look like he's brushing his teeth. I feel like he's just stimming with this like, fucking toothbrush. He's like, "Okay, I just want something in my mouth right now. I wanna dig into the back of my like, cheek." And then like, good for him.

C: Good for him.

G: It's cute, though. I do like this visual a lot. And I think this adds to what you said about it looking like a Season 1 thing, because, like, even in this shot, I looked at this, and I was like, "This doesn't look like Season 4 Sam. It looks like Sammy!"

C: Yeah. He does look younger. Aww. Sam.

G: Yeah. And he's about to learn that he's a middle child. [C laughs]

C: Yeah, yeah. Maybe all that like, hashtag sick and twisted shit he said later, was just like, from learning that he was a middle child. Like, I get it. [G laughs] He was like, "I have to ruin Adam's life. This is the only option."

G: Yeah, "It's my job as an older brother." Yeah.

C: Yeah, like, "I've seen how this goes. I have a great role model for how to be an older brother. [laughs] Let's do this."

G: For real.

C: Dean, he's asleep. He's doing a physical comedy bit where he's sleeping in a very uncomfortable position and then, when he opens the door, he like, falls on the ground, almost. And it's

G: This is not a physical comedy bit. It's not funnay! [C laughs] I don't know. Probably. But I didn't think it was funny.

C: Alright, yeah. But yeah. I don't know. They're talking about how they're two hours away from any food. Dean searches for a sandwich in the backseat, but it's tuna so it's- is it just that like, it's gone bad by now and smells bad? Or is it like, "It's gay to not eat beef"? Like, what's the situation here?

G: Tuna, if it's a tuna sandwich, I'm assuming it's the thing with the mayo and everything? [C: Yeah.] That shit's gonna expire like, real quickly, so it's probably gone bad. [C: Yeah, makes sense.] And it's in a backseat in this warm whatever this is? Yeah.

C: There's a phone that rings inside the car. Dean gets it, and Sam goes, "Isn't that dad's phone?" So I guess that does mean that Dean-

G: Keeps it charged.

C: Yeah, has to charge this sometimes. And I'm assuming it's Dean who does it. But okay, I wonder if Sam kept John's phones charged, like, while Dean was dead as well. Probably, just 'cause like, he was in like, hardcore hunter mode and probably wanted to know if there was going to be any intel relevant to the demon war. Dean picks up the phone and someone asks, "Is this John?" And, you know, Dean says he can't come to the phone.

G: Why? 'Cause John is dead. [both laugh] [laughing] Sorry.

C: Real. The person says, like, "I really need to talk to John." He introduces himself as "Adam Milligan, someone that John knows." And Dean, with absolutely no tact at all, goes, "Well, sorry to be the one to break this to you, pal, but John died more than 2 years ago." Rude!

G: I think it's fine.

C: I think it's the "pal" that makes it condescending to me. [G: Yeah, I suppose so.] I mean, I just would deliver it differently.

G: [serious] "Hate to break it to you, my friend. [both laugh] That John is dead for more than 2 years now."

C: So there's- Adam makes like, a sound of surprise and dismay. And Dean goes, "Who is this?" And Adam goes, "I'm his son!" [G gasps] Gasp!

G: Iconic, honestly.

C: Truly.

G: We go to a like, Minnesotan diner. And Sam and Dean are preparing to enter, but Dean is really loading up, really loading up with weapons. Sam is talking about how like, Adam does check out. He was born like, September 29, 1990. Sam was saying that "This guy checks, out, Dean. I don't know what to tell you." And Dean is saying, like, "Yeah, maybe the person checks out, but like, that's a demon, or whatever. He can't be actually dad's-"

C: Also, he's a biology major who's premed. Just like Sam was pre-law.

G: Which is so funny! Which is so funny because here, they acknowledge that they understand that, like, a pre-blank course, is like, a bachelor's degree that you specifically take to do something after, right? [C laughs] So like, they understand that, like, biology is a course, it is the major.

C: There's a premed track on biology. What is the pre-law track on whatever Sam's actual major was? [both laugh] What was his major? [screams]

G: Literally, the dean was like, fucking lying to him or something. Like, the dean was like, "I think we can keep this kid here forever, [laughs] like, in undergrad." And they probably could!

C: I mean, Sam's probably getting- well, Sam's getting a full ride, so like, they're like, losing the longer they keep him. [G laughs] They're probably like, "Oh, we're giving you this special course that actually only takes like, three years, or whatever. It's pre-law. That's the name of it."

G: It's pre-law, yeah!

C: Yeah.

G: What is Sam's course? We had this discussion before, but every single time-

C: We decided on psychology, I thought.

G: Psychology, right? What if he's a business major?

C: [laughs] God.

G: Literally, I think all business- I don't wanna be a hater. [C: Mm.] So I'll just stop talking right now. [laughing] [C laughs]

C: I don't think Sam would be a business major. I think that's too removed from his skillset.

G: Sam would not be a business maker, but it would be pretty funny if he was!

C: It would be pretty funny if he was.

G: Everybody in that course would be like, "Yeah, my dad, like, established this real big company, and I wanna be just like him," blah blah blah. "Our family has had this company for centuries," you know, whatever. And Sam's like, "I don't know. My uncle has like, a salvage yard. That's pretty cool." [laughs] Good for him.

C: Yeah, it is pretty cool.

G: And it is pretty cool! Yeah. Have I talked about here about how like, for the longest time, I thought "salvage" meant "kill," and I couldn't understand why salvage yard- like, Bobby Singer's salvage yard was called a salvage yard?

C: They murder the cars there. [G laughs]

G: Yeah-

C: You bring good cars there. You bring cars that work in there, and Bobby-

G: And then you kill the car.

C: Yeah.

G: They go in there. And as they approach the table, Dean does this really interesting thing where he removes the chair beside where Adam's supposed to sit. What is the intentionality behind that? Just to make sure he uses the fork-

C: So he's sitting across from Dean so that Dean can shoot him.

G: Oh, that's crazy! But he's not, though? He's sitting like, in front of Sam!

C: Is he really?

G: Yeah. He sat in front of the water and everything. I thought it was because so that like, what if the server serves like, two cutleries for that place and like, he doesn't get the cutlery that's supposed to be the-

C: Yeah, that could be it.

G: Yeah. But when it first happened. I was like, "Well, that's very odd. But go Dean!"

C: I feel like you were planning to murder this kid, you should arrange to meet somewhere other than a public diner. Like, personally-

G: Maybe Dean was like, "Well, we're already in a fucking like, FBI watchlist. Like, [laughs] IDGAF."

C: He's like, "I care so much about saving innocent civilians from knowing about ghosts, but I will murder people in front of them. No issue."

G: You see a vampire sucking blood? Hell nah! You see a guy get blasted open in the middle of this diner? It's fine.

C: "Grow up. Get over it."

G: "It'd be worse if I was a vampire, bro." [C laughs]

They have this bit where Dean is very rude to the waiter. The waiter is also pissed at him. Dean gets his house water and pours it down like, a plant and then fills it up with holy water from his flask. And then he puts the glass like, where Adam is supposed to sit so that Adam can drink it when he shows up. You're gonna give this kid cholera, is what's gonna happen here. [both laugh] You're gonna kill this person with like, amoebiasis or something. [C: Yeah.] Fucking awful thing to do. [C laughs] I was like, half-hoping that when when Adam drinks it, he's like-

C: He spits it out?

G: - "Holy shit. What-" He's like, "What the fuck happened to the tap water here? What the fuck is this?" Yeah, and Dean also takes out a bunch of cutlery that is, I don't know, silver, I suppose.

C: Right, which implies that a shapeshifter upon touching silver, not even being cut on it, would react. So why do they always test themselves with silver knives instead of just like, [G: I know!] tapping the blade with their finger?

G: Also, it's like, a whole thing where, like, they're holding the knife up, being like, "It's silver!" and it's like, [C laughs] well, isn't that already- like, you don't have to be like, "It's silver, and then I'm gonna cut myself with it." Like, what the fuck is this?

C: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, the whole time, like, I mean the vibe's that Dean's being incredibly intense, and Sam's just like, "Chill out." I think that kind of reaches the-

G: Not "chill out" and more like, he's sad about this.

C: "Let's take a reasoned approach to this"? Sam is sad about this?

G: Yeah. I don't think- I think he is like, aware that Dean is reacting in a way that is out of proportion, but in a way that is like, understanding of the situation and is kind of like, skittering around Dean, you know? [C: Okay.] Like, the way he approaches the conversation is like, "Look, man, I get it. But..."

C: Mm. But yeah, what Dean says is like, "Either way, this thing is going to bleed. I mean, using Dad as bait. That's the last mistake of its short, pitiful life." So yeah. I mean, clearly, he still holds the- I don't know. He like, holds the memory of John as incredibly sacred, but then, at the end, like, it is an insult to say that Sam is like John. Like, that is how he means it.

G: I mean, yeah.

C: Yeah. But I guess one can have complicated relationships with complicated figures in one's life.

G: There is a big difference between like, other people using your relationship with your family against you versus like, you with a person who also went through the same shit going like, "Yeah, that guy's horrible." [laughs] You know?

C: Yeah. Yeah. This is true.

G: Sometimes, I do feel sad that even Sam and Dean, between each other, often can't just admit that to each other. And a big part of it is Dean can't admit it to himself, that like- the way he talks about what happened with their childhoods too, you know? Kind of like, absolving John of it, even. And not even absolving in the "he did the right thing," and just more of like, "yeah, he probably did the wrong thing, but still, it's not like he had any choice." It's crazy. Crazy! Well, we'll get into it later.

It's like, "Look. I think there is some truth to this, because 1990, January, he does say he's heading to Minnesota to check out a case." And then [C laughs], Sam opens to that page, and the next two pages were like, ripped out completely.

C: Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

G: Fun stuff! But why? Because-

C: 'Cause Sam says later, like, "He wasn't exactly a monk," but like, to feel so ashamed of like, having casual sex once that you tear it out of your journal implies that, like, John, was a monk until now?

G: No, but the thing is, this is a binder. [C laughs] This journal is a binder. So like, if he wants to remove those pages, he could. And also, if he just wants to rip it out, he also could do that cleanly, with no mark left behind. So it implies that the tearing out is kind of like, a last minute thing. He didn't have the time or the thought to remove it carefully from the binder, or tear it out and remove all of the remaining pieces.

C: Or he did it in like, an emotional whirlwind. But like, he had to write all that down. Also, 2 pages? He described it for 2 pages?

G: I think what happened here is that when he was giving this journal to Dean or whatever, when he's leaving it behind, he was like, "Okay, let's remove this part." Like, I don't think this is like, immediately after, he's like, writing in his journal, "Oh, what a night!" [C laughs] a la Mama Mia! [C laughs] and then like, tears the pages out, like, right after. I think this is like, years and years and years down the line. [C: Huh.] He's like, "Okay, I need to leave this journal to Dean so he has references." And he's like, "Oh, shit! But I have that one page. Let me tear that out real quick."

C: Okay, that makes sense, I think. But like, why is he also so vague in all of his later trips to Minnesota lines?

G: First of all, isn't it so fascinating that it's like, multiple years of John's life is like- decades, even of John's life is in this journal. And it's just-

C: Well, it's just the hunts.

G: Yeah. But like, it's this short? How many hunts was he going to?

C: Eh, I'm sure he has some kind of a shorthand.

G: That's true, that's true. Isn't there like, a physical, like, publication of John's- that's true, right?

C: Journal? Yeah.

G: I will never read it. Good luck to everyone, though.

C: I will also never read it, but sometimes, I see passages, and I enjoy seeing the passages.

G: Also, I think maybe part of that, as you said, is the "it's just hunts." So he's not gonna go there, be like, "Today, me and Adam went to a baseball game. He's 15 years old now. He's all grown up!" Like, [laughs] he's not gonna do that shit.

C: I feel like the published John's journal is like that, though. [G: I mean, yes.] It's all like, "I'm worried about Sam because he isn't having sex with girls, unlike Dean."

G: [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, it's like, "I'm worried about Sam because he's a fucking homo! [both laugh] And he's so weak and small!" And it's like, okay, slay. [C: Yeah.] But like, this journal is obviously not that. [C: Yeah.] I mean, you think Sam is opening the journal and be like, [C laughing] "Wow, Dad thought I was a homo and so weak and fucking small and tiny."

C: Yeah, I mean, I feel- I don't know who wrote the John's journal official Supernatural whatever the fuck, but I don't think that they coordinated with the props team or whatever regarding what would be in it.

G: I don't know. I think that's a reason behind the Minnesota. It's more of like, recording where I was this week instead of like, recording what actually happened in shit.

C: Yeah. Makes sense.

G: Fascinating personality John has. This is also fascinating, just by virtue of the whole, like, realizing that your parents are like, more than your parents. Like, John is Dad, but also, John is John, you know? [C: Yeah.] And yeah, this is what's happening to Sam and Dean right now.

G: Sam is saying, like, "I don't really wanna believe it, but you know, Dad would just be gone for weeks at a time, and he wasn't exactly a monk." And Sam goes, "I mean, a hunter rolls into town, kills a monster, saves the girl. Sometimes, the girl's grateful."

C: Fucked up.

G: Horrible!

C: Like, okay, Sam has not had an encounter like this, right?

G: Similar to this, yeah.

C: Right, 'cause Sarah, Cara, and Madison-

G: And Dean, in a way, has not had also.

C: Dean had that with Jamie.

G: Who the fuck?

C: From "Monster Movie"?

G: Oh, yeah. Did they have sex?

C: After the case ended, yes.

G: Oh, yeah, I forgor. Well-

C: Dean had that with Jamie, and then we have, like, tame versions of that with Haley and Andrea in 1.02 and 1.03 with Dean. Dean does follow that- Okay, Madison. Madison, one could claim that that is that. Because they think she's no longer a werewolf, and then she and Sam sleep together, so it is kind of like a, "Oh, you rescued me." [G: Yeah.] And then, "Let's have sex." So both of them have engaged in this dynamic before.

G: Yeah.

C: Well, it sucks. [laughs]

G: Adam comes in. He's looking around. Adam goes to sit in the chair that Dean has reserved for him. He's asking like, "How do you know my dad?" And Sam’s like, “Yeah, we work together." And Adam's like, "As a mechanic?" And Sam and Dean are like, "Yeah, he died on the job. A car fell on him." [both laughing]

C: Dean comes up with "a car fell on him," but yeah, it's great. [G laughs]

G: Lovely! Absolutely wonderful. They also do this bit where the-

C: Well, okay, a car did fall on him, though.

G: Like, he got hit by a giant truck?

C: He did get hit by a giant truck. Like, [laughing] a car did fall on him.

G: So we do this thing where the waiter earlier, who Dean was rude to and was rude back to Dean knows Adam, and is like, asking him very friendly, like, "Oh, what's your order? The usual? Okay, thanks." And I do think this is like, very interesting, because the way they do this scene is like, they really are tearing down all of the suspicion for Adam, which is, I think, such a wonderful way to do it.

C: Yeah. Yeah. It's like, he's just a nice kid, and they all know him.

G: Nice kid. Everybody knows him so like, it must be him 'cause like, if it's not him, how would he know all these people? And also the, you know, obviously, the holy water and the silver. Sam is asking, "When's the last time you saw John?" It's a couple of years back now, and he decided to call John because [dramatically] "He's the only family I got." [C laughs] And yeah, Adam says his mom's missing. Yeah, Sam hears this, and goes, "Oh my god, I'm sorry. For how long?" And Dean's like, "IDGAF. [laughs] If you're John's kid, how come we've never heard of you?" And Adam said, "Yeah, we didn't really know each other, just not until a few years ago." And he starts telling his life story, like, his mom never really talked about John. He just knows that his mom is a nurse, and his dad came into the ER and like, got fixed up in the hospital, but that's all he knows, and they're not exactly a nuclear family. Interesting dynamic, I suppose?

C: True, right. Because it is like, sort of a swap of what Sam assumed happened. [G: Yeah.] Like, she rescued him, or whatever. Like, he was grateful to her.

G: Yeah. And Dean asks like, "Oh, so when did you finally meet him?" And it was when he was 12!

C: What did- Adam says, "We're not exactly a nuclear family," and Sam says, "Yeah, well, who is these days?" What is Sam talking about?

G: [laughing] I don't know.

C: The dissolution of the family?

G: Everybody's getting divorced? Is that what this is about?

C: I don't know. Was this like, a big political talking point in like, 2009? Like, is this a reference to like, some kind of a campaign? Or is Sam just being open-minded? Like, what's the deal?

G: I have no idea.

C: We'll all have no idea forever.

G: He met John, finally, when he was 12. Like, he begged his mom to get one of John's numbers. That's- what a fascinating childhood.

C: So John left his number, it means.

G: Like, maybe Kate does have contact with John.

C: Yeah, like they text?

G: But like, but the way it's implied is like, John didn't know he had a kid until Adam called.

C: Yeah. So John left his number as like, a "If that ghoul ever comes back"? 'Cause I guess it's like, he didn't get all of them, right?

G: Yeah, maybe.

C: 'Cause he only got the dad ghoul. So maybe it was like, "Give me a call if like, case stuff starts happening"?

G: Baby ghouls come to being, yeah. [C: Yeah.] Yeah, maybe it was also just a good lay. [laughs] Like, call me when you want another good lay.

C: True. True. [G: Yeah.] And she didn't, for 12 years, [G laughing] so that says something, I think.

G: Literally. He says when he called, John dropped everything. He raced to town, he drove all night. And, like, Dean is watching all this, and by this point, by the way, he has pulled out a gun. [C: Yeah.] [laughing] Dean has just solidly pulled out a gun.

C: Yeah, under the table, aimed right at that kid.

G: He's so- [laughs] I felt kind of like- like, the entire scene, the moment Dean pulls out that gun, and then every single second he's just like, pointing it more and more at Adam's direction, and like, whatever it is that they do when they pull back that thing. Like, I was like, "Good lord! What the fuck is Dean doing?" But okay, fine. At this point Adam has drank the holy water. Nothing happens. He goes to start eating. He holds the silverware, nothing happens. He's reminiscing. He's saying like, "Oh, yeah, he told me poker and pool, and he bought me my first beer when I was 15. [C: Horrible.] He showed me how to drive." And yeah, "He had this beautiful '67 Impala." And Dean is just like, "Oh, fuck you! Like, let's stop this all at once." But I want to dissect the Adam lines first. [C: Mm-hm.] I think what's supposed to to be the thing here is like, doesn't Dean mention like, drinking beer when he was young? [C: Yeah.] With John? When was that?

C: It would be 15.20, wouldn't it? I'm sure it happens earlier as well, but isn't the beer they drink in Heaven-

G: Oh yeah! He said something about like, "This is the first beer we shared, and it was so bad. It was like, actually terrible." Yeah. [C: Yeah.] And also, when did Dean learn how to drive?

C: Earlier than 16.

G: Definitely.

C: I think so. I don't know.

G: I think I think this is part of the reason why this is what pisses Dean off. 'Cause, especially in the poker and pool part, it's like, we know that Sam and Dean use these like, poker and pool to earn money. We know that 'cause we've seen it. The pool, anyhow. Like, the poker, I think we have- We will see it. Like, Sam does play poker at some point.

C: Also, in "Bugs," doesn't Dean get money from poker? Like, he comes out of the bar at the beginning-

G: No, that's pool.

C: No? Are you sure? Okay.

G: That's pool. That's what I'm saying that like, they earn money using this shit. And so it must hurt to be like, "Oh, the poker and pool, which is like, something that we had to learn or well, I had to learn to sustain myself is something that like, John taught Adam as like, a fun thing." [C: Mm-hm.] Sharing your first beer, I don't know. It's like-

C: Six years below the legal age.

G: Yeah. Wait, what do you mean?

C: Drinking age is 21.

G: I don't think that's bad, though.

C: Yeah, bad.

G: Letting a kid 15 years old drink. You think it's bad?

C: I think it's bad, yeah.

G: Ohh. I think if you do it with parental supervision, I think it's actually better because it's like, if you're gonna drink anyway-

C: Yeah, I think it's better with parental supervision, but I think the- at 15?

G: Yeah.

C: Well, okay, John buys it for Adam, right? So like, [G laughing] that it wasn't like- it doesn't necessarily mean that Adam, like, was like, begging him to like, "I want to like, see what it's like to drink." [G still laughing] Like, I don't know. I feel like I read that "He bought me my first beer when I was 15" as just like, John sprung it on him, and he was like, "Okay, that's a cool thing to do."

G: Uh, you don't drink.

C: That's true.

G: So like, I understand that.

C: I guess I don't want to at age 15.

G: But many people at age 15 are begging to have a drink, yeah.

C: Huh. Interesting.

G: So yeah. And I- something that- [laughs] I sound so like, [fake-teary] "My parents did it, so it's fine!" [laughs] But like, something my parents would do is like, when I drink, they make it so that like, I am drinking in front of them so that they know what I'm drinking and how much. It's better this way than like, have you like, drink somewhere else with other people, who-

C: Yeah, I agree with that.

G: - especially if it's like, your peers and you're all like, fucking 15, and none of you know what your limits are, you know. And so it's better to just do it, like, whatever. At home. [laughs] So this is not actually- this is something that I was like, "Yeah, that's a good, fun dad-kid bonding experience."

C: And I was like, "John's an irresponsible parent and awful for this." [G laughing]

G: Yeah. And then showing how to drive, I suppose, is like, I don't know. I don't know what Dean's driving history is. Poor- yeah, this did make me sad. And you know, Dean is like, "Yeah, you're lying to me. Be on the lookout." [laughing] Adam goes, "No, I'm not." [C laughs] And Dean just goes, "Yeah, you are." They're so funny. They're already brothers. Like, they're already living the brother life. [C: Mm-hm.] Adam is like, "Who the hell are you to call me a liar?" And this is when Dean reveals that like, "Oh, we're John's children."

C: He goes, "We are his sons!" [both laugh] God, he's so funny.

G: Yeah. And Adam replies to this like, with, "I've got brothers?"

C: He's happy! 'Cause he's a ghoul being so so funny.

G: Yeah, he's pleased by this. And Dean says, "No, you don't have brothers. I don't know if you're whatever you are, but I don't know what game you're playing here." And Dean goes to leave. But Adam says, "I can prove it."

C: Yeah. So we go inside his house where his mom died earlier.

G: RIP.

C: Dean is being shown a photo of Adam and John at a baseball game because this was something that they did together for Adam's 14th birthday. Sam crossreferences that in the journal. It's true. Dean goes, [angry] "He took you to a freaking baseball game?" Adam goes like, "Yeah, why? What did Dad do with you on your birthday?"

G: Horrible!

C: And Dean's face just twitches. God! So funny, so funny, so funny!

G: And the thing is, this fucking ghoul knows that John is a hunter and probably knows that he treated his kids poorly or whatever. [laughing] And so he literally is just taunting Dean specifically; it's so funny.

C: It's great. I love it.

G: Yeah. I wuv it, even.

C: Also, every time Adam calls John "Dad," like, it does jumpscare me a little, which is the point, I think. So good on them, for that.

G: [laughing] Does it also just scare you when I call John "Dad"?

C: Yes, of course. [G laughs]

G: Every time I do that, and then, like, I go back to edit or whatever, I also get jumpscared. When I go, "But Dad is blah blah blah," [C laughs] like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

C: Sam is on this. Like, he's ready to accept Adam into like, the family. 'Cause he says, like, "Adam, you said you called Dad because your mom was missing." Which, yeah, I feel like if he was talking to someone else, he'd say "John." Like, he's saying "Dad" in the like, "your dad" way, not in the "my dad" way, it feels like, but also in an [both] "our dad" way.

Yeah, he says, "Adam, you said you called Dad because your mom was missing." And turns out she's been gone for 3 days. She didn't show up to work on Wednesday. And then this is when Dean sees the picture of John and Kate hugging that looks very similar to the photo of John and Mary that was on Sam's nightstand in 1.01. And yeah, she does look like Mary. So [laughs], hm. Adam says that the hospital supervisor called the cops. He drove down here. He feels guilty about not being here. The police weren't able to find anything, but he knows that she wouldn't leave without telling anyone. So they go to her room to check. There's more photos of Kate and John and Adam together. He's looking around, and then Adam asks him, "What else can you tell me about Dad?" And Dean says, "You knew him," and Adam says, "Not as well as you." And Dean says, "Trust me, kid, you don't want to know." Slay! Sam and Dean talk outside for a bit 'cause Sam found some newspapers from 1990 that are about how there were 17 bodies missing from the graveyard, but were recovered from some abandoned shed. So that is probably why John was here because he is in the photograph [G laughing] looking like a creep.

G: Just a menacing form in the back, yeah. [C laughs] I can't believe like, whoever published this newspaper was like, "Yeah, there's this guy like, lurking in the back, looking menacingly at this whole affair." And he is also like, a new person in town. "No, yeah, that's nothing. It's probably nothing."

C: Yeah, "It's probably nothing. I mean, we found the bodies. We don't know who took them. There's this creepy guy. But whatevs."

G: "Yeah, and criminals frequently go back to the scene of the crime and like, looks at investigation and stuff, but who even give a shit?"

C: Who give a shit? They don't know anything about the hunt because those were the pages that John ripped out of the journal, but recently, last month, three bodies disappeared from the local cemetery. So whatever he's hunting may be back. The two living people missing are Kate and a bartender named Joe Barton, who, we find out later, used to be a cop, so like, I'm glad he quit his job.

So Dean comes back in and finds out that Kate did not know Joe Barton. And then he notices that there are scratches on the floor of the bedroom, so they lift up the mattress and see that there is a large vent right under the bed. And then there's a cute little scene where, like, they look at each other and nonverbally decide to start playing rock paper scissors. And Dean loses. Hell yeah. Dean usually loses, right? Because he always picks scissors?

G: Yes, that is a- Isn't there already an episode way back? I think it was like, the one where Dean goes into a thing. I think it's "Bugs," actually. They do rock paper scissors to see who goes into the fucking hole.

C: Doesn't Sam go into the fucking hole, though?

G: Oh, no, that's different. They were supposed to do the rock paper scissors, and in the last minute, Sam goes, "I'll just do it."

C: Aww.

G: But there is one where people-

C: There is one where Sam goes like, "Ha! Scissors. Every time."

G: I think this is such a nice thing to bring up, and with such like, casualness, too.

C: Yeah, no, it's like, "Wow, they are brothers."

G: In an episode where they have a new brother, you know. It's interesting. Like, in the scene I had the thought of, like, "Yeah, like, there is more to family than like, blood. It's about like, you know, growing up together," blah blah blah. And then the other part of my brain got really defensive and was like, "No, but like, Adam really is their brother! [both laugh] Even if they didn't grow up together!" Like, it still does mean something that they had the same father, blah blah blah, whatever.

C: I don't think it does unless they decide it does.

G: Well, of course. But like, to Sam and Dean, I think it does matter that there is this other aspect of John's life that they didn't have access to [C: Yeah.] and now they have access to. And there was this kid that John treated this way in a way that he never treated Sam and Dean. And like, that does mean something.

C: It means something that they're both projecting on him.

G: It doesn't mean that it automatically makes them family in the way that Supernatural tries do the family bit but fails so severely. I just mean that it means something.

C: Yeah, yeah. I mean, they both have complicated feelings around Adam because of what he represents about themselves to them. [G: Yeah.] Though, I mean, I do think that Sam is pretty fast willing to like, welcome Adam in as like, a member of the family or whatevs.

G: Yeah.

C: Dean loses the rock paper scissors. He's upset, but he goes inside of the air vent. At the end, he sees a lot of blood and then, like, bits of like, flesh and bone and stuff.

G: Hair and scalp. Yea.

C: Yup. RIP.

G: We go to Sam and Dean's motel room, and it's just the two of them. Dean is cleaning a weapon or whatever. [laughing] And there is this really funny post-

C: - post about "Mystery Spot"?

G: [laughing] Yeah.

C: We've all seen it.

G: Yeah, I've seen it. Do you think-

C: You reblogged it.

G: Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean everybody has seen it-

C: And I didn't reblog it because I didn't like it. [G laughing]

G: But I thought it was the funniest shit. The post is like, "Oh, people were attacking me when I said Dean cleans all of the guns, and Samgirls were like, 'Hey, Sam also cleans guns!' [laughs] And the only picture they would send is from 'Mystery Spot' when Dean was dead." So fucking funny. Well, Dean does clean the guns. Like, that is his job.

C: I'm sure that Sam also cleans the guns.

G: [laughs] They need to have gun cleaning equality?

C: Yeah.

G: Exactly. Well, Adam comes into the motel room, and he is asking Sam and Dean like, "Who the hell are you guys?" And Sam is trying to do the like, "Calm down," like, taming- like, calming down a horse kind of voice. And Dean is just straight up not talking. Adam is saying like, "Oh, my house is a crime scene. My mom's probably dead. And you told me to call the cops, but also that you need to go [laughing] before the cops show up."

C: If he had looked them up- I mean, this is a ghoul, so it doesn't matter. If this is real Adam, and he had looked them up like, he'd be out of here.

G: I mean, even John Winchester. If you look "John Winchester" up.

C: Yeah, it's like, "father of serial killers Sam and Dean Winchester."

G: And he said, like, "I also heard you talking about stuff earlier. What really is going on?" And Sam just goes, "We're hunters." And Dean is shouting at him to like, stop talking, and Sam goes, "He deserves to know, Dean!" They explain it to him. Adam just goes, "So like, so every like, monster movie is real? Every nightmare?" And Dean goes, "Godzilla's just a movie." He wished it was real. Dean literally wishes Godzilla was real. But yeah.

C: Are we calling him a monsterfucker? What's happening?

G: [laughing] No!

C: What- what does he want?

G: I just think he would think like, a Godzilla is cool the same way he was like, "Oh my god! Vampires! We could kill a vampire, that's so cool," you know?

C: You mean zombies?

G: Was that about zombies?

C: Yeah.

G: Wasn't he also like that with the vampires?

C: Maybe.

G: Well, whatever. Whenever they have a cool monster to hunt, Dean is like, "Ah, this monster is so cool. I can't wait to kill it." [C laughs] And I feel like he would feel the same way about Godzilla. [laughs]

C: Yeah. Dean Winchester is a deeply strange individual.

G: I think you're the one that pointed out that like, "Wait, but he really likes the idea of this monster. Why does he want to kill it?" And it's like, the thing that he really likes is the idea of killing it. That's why.

C: Yeah.

G: Adam just goes like, "Okay." And Dean is in disbelief. Okay, here's the part where we bring up yet again, like, this point, why did he need to hide it from Adam?

C: That they're hunters?

G: Yeah, and that all the shit is real. Because, like, [both] Adam's mom is dead.

C: - from this, so like, this is the point during the hunt, when they often tell- Well, they don't tell everybody.

G: They don't tell everybody, but like-

C: Plenty of people whose families die, they don't tell them what happened.

G: Yeah, but a lot of those people is like, "The monster has been dealt with, and probably like, won't attack again or whatever." This monster is on the loose, and they're just fucking leaving this town. Because that's what they're doing right now. They're leaving this town.

C: Wait, they are?

G: Yeah, they're packing to leave.

C: Oh. They are?

G: Because the cops are gonna show up.

C: Well, no, I just thought they- well, they told Adam to call the cops to his house, so they're leaving the house so that they're not at the house when the cops showed up. I didn't think they were leaving permanently.

G: Okay. Well, I just still think it's like, so odd that they just won't tell Adam when Adam is like, in direct line of danger.

C: Well, I mean, Dean has his whole thing later where he's like, "John specifically wanted Adam to not know about monsters." So keeping that is more important than his safety.

G: There's a difference between becoming a mon- [C laughs] like, knowing about- [laughs] Well, there's a difference bdetween that too. But there's a difference between knowing about monsters and being a hunter, and like, I think Dean's argument is more on "Dad didn't want Adam to have this life of a hunter." But wasn't he also like, "Dad lied to him about his job so that he wouldn't even know about monsters in the first place." Isn't that like, part of it? I think that- I don't know. Is Dean sort of under the impression that, like, anyone who is like, worth a damn, as soon as they know about monsters, they will become a hunter? Isn't that why he hates- It's why he hates Bela so much, that she knows about monsters, but like, she isn't a hunter. She like, has this other job that hurts people.

G: Yeah, but I think that's more of like, taking advantage of the stuff you know about the occult and the etc and the supernatural and using that to earn money to the expense of the people who could be helped by those knowledge. [C: Sure.] But like, for example, Adam is like, "Okay, I'm gonna become a doctor because I'm in premed already" and then becomes a doctor. And is just like, a fucking doctor. You don't have to be a hunter to help people.

C: But like, does Dean know that?

G: We can't all just be fucking hunters, Dean Winchester. I'm assuming he knows that.

C: Okay. I just think he has this weird thing.

G: Do you think he would think that? That like, he's better than other people because of his job?

C: Yes.

G: Why?

C: Because he's a dick and I don't like him? I don't know. [both laugh]

G: I think Dean may have a more expansive definition of hunters than what I am thinking of it. 'Cause like, for Dean, it's like, "Oh, if you know about the supernatural and you're doing something in some way to help with accordance to that knowledge, then you're a hunter automatically." So maybe if Adam was like, a doctor who is helping people who are, like, you know, affected by monsters and stuff, like, to him, that's still a hunter, 'cause he knows about the supernatural. [C: Sure, yeah.] Like, a lot of times, Bobby doesn't do the type of shit Sam and Dean does. He mostly is on the back end doing research.

C: He also does do field work.

G: Yeah. But like, most of the time, he's like, doing the FBI whatever whatever.

C: Yeah, Dean considers Bobby to be a hunter. I mean, I wonder consider Bobby to be a hunter.

G: Yeah, he considers Bobby a hunter. I would, too. But like, is Rufus a hunter? Like, Rufus is specifically not doing the hunting shit anymore.

C: Rufus is an ex-hunter.

G: Rufus is an ex-hunter, but Dean would still consider him a current hunter because of his knowledge and because he's using that knowledge in some way to help by providing information and providing materials. I don't know. Garth, is, well, one, a werewolf. Two, a dentist. But, like, Dean, also considers him a hunter, even if he's not doing the hunter job specifically, just because of the knowledge. And I think I could go on and on. Jody's a cop. [laughs] And Dean thinks she's a hunter due to the knowledge.

C: Well, these people do an occasional hunt on the side, if something in their area seems up, right? So like, that's what makes them a hunter to Dean? That they sometimes do field work. That they're like, willing to do field work if necessary?

G: Yeah. But like, Dean's complaint is like, "We can't let Adam have the life we live." But the thing is, just because you're a hunter- well, just because you know about the supernatural doesn't mean you have to be a hunter, and just because you're a hunter doesn't mean you need to live the way Sam and Dean does. Bobby has a house! Jody has a house. Garth has a house, you know?

C: Okay, well, Garth and Jody come later.

G: Very much later.

C: Wait, what are we discussing right now?

G: Like, Dean's perspective of what a hunter's life is is like, [laughs] not representative of all hunters. #NotAllHunters. I don't know. And so like, Dean's arguments of like, "We can't let Adam know about this because it automatically means that if he knows about the supernatural, then he's automatically a hunter, and if he's a hunter, then he's gonna have the same life we do, and Dad specifically doesn't want him to have the life that we do." And it's like, that's not an automatic. Like, just because he knows about the supernatural doesn't mean that he's gonna become a hunter, and just because he's a hunter doesn't mean that he's going to live the life the way you do [C: Yeah.] and doesn't mean that he's gonna hunt the way you do and doesn't mean that he won't have another job that he also does.

C: Yeah. That's true. But according to Sam, he can't have any friends.

G: [laughing] According to Sam, it's a life. [C laughs] He's so funny. I was half expecting him to say like, "It's not a job. It's a calling." And I was like, "He should have been a priest. He literally should have been, probably." Sam would live such a fantastic life if he was a priest/hunter. [C: Hm. Yeah.] I think he would have a slaycation moment.

C: Probably. But okay, yeah, okay. So you're just saying that Dean's logic here, in trying to hide what hunting is from Adam is faulty. I agree.

G: [laughs] Thank you. After 20 minutes of discussion. I literally need to stop.

C: I thought that we were discussing- 'cause, I said, what? I said because that like, it's because Dean thinks that it means that, like, Adam would be a hunter. And then you were like, "I don't think that that's what Dean thinks." So then, when it became a different topic of discussion, I got confused.

G: Yeah. Yeah. I think it's just like, definition of terms is where Dean and I disagree. [C: Okay.] Like, Dean whatever whatever. Yeah.

At some point, Dean goes like, "Oh, you're supposed to say we're liars, we're crazy. Nobody just says, 'Okay.'" And Adam [laughing], who is a ghoul, [C laughing] like, I want to point out that this is not Adam Adam, he goes, "Well, you're my brothers. You're telling me the truth, right? [C laughing] Then, I believe you." And it's like, he's so funny! [C: He really is.] He's so funny. Absolutely hilarious.

Sam talks about like, what fucking thing got his mom, and that they haven't figured it out yet, and Adam asks if maybe she's still alive, and they say, "No, probably." No, they actually don't say anything. Which we've talked about this, how annoying it is that like, when you're breaking news, like, they just do not say shit. Adam says that he wants in. Yeah, Dean says no, and like, Sam goes, "Dean, he lost his mother. Maybe we can understand what that feels like." And Dean makes the case, as you said, that like, "Oh, John was protecting this kid. He didn't want Adam to have our lives, and we are gonna respect his wishes."

C: He says, "Why do you think he ripped out the pages?" as a part of this. [G: Yeah.] Okay, is that in fitting with your like, "He ripped it out before he gave it to Dean theory." Like, does Dean think "He tried to hide this kid from us so that we couldn't pull him into our lives." Like, what does that mean?

G: Yeah, probably.

C: Huh. Interesting stuff. So Dean thinks that John thinks that Sam and Dean would come and force this kid to be a hunter?

G: Not really, but like, it's a connection. And like, for example, if John was missing and John was gone for a long time, and John, like, knew he was gonna be gone for a long time because he was ominous as hell about it. And so maybe he's thinking, "Oh, if Dean like, scours this journal and finds this one piece and goes like, 'What if Dad had a kid from that time?' and goes to that place and finds out about, you know." And it's like, because he's looking for John.

C: Yeah, so Adam gets caught in the "Oh, I need to find my dad too" blah blah blah thing. Sure.

G: Dean just goes around the United States finding potential John kids [C laughs] and going, "Hey, I know your dad. And also, he's missing. Help me find him."

C: I mean, society if Sam said no that first time so then Dean was just going around like, rustling all the Adams of the world up.

G: Adam asks like, "Do I get a say in this?" And Sam and Dean both say no at the same time, but like, Dean being like, shout-y, and Sam's like, defeated like, "No." And Dean storms out, and Adam goes, "Is he always like that?" And Sam goes, "Welcome to the family." And then he goes to teach Adam how to handle a gun. I do wanna say something about the whole like- Adam probably never had an angry John around [C: Yeah.] because John was just never around and was never in any situation where he is to be angry in that way around Adam.

C: Though, like, have you ever had your dad try to teach you something? [laughs] You get yelled at, no matter what.

G: I don't know.

C: I'm sure, during the pool- I don't think John is that patient of a guy. John shouts at people. I don't think he has the patience to teach Adam poker and pool, [laughs] but I also think that the ghoul fully made that up, so. [G laughing]

G: Well, I don't think the ghoul made up the baseball.

C: The baseball game is real, but I'm remembering that when they bring Adam back to lif, and they're like, "Please do this because of our shared connection to John," he says, "I did not know that guy like that." [laughs]

G: Yeah, and he said, right, like, "I'm not a Winchester. I'm a Milligan." Which is so cool! I love that guy. Or did he say that? Or did he say that in my head in my fanfiction dreams?

C: He probably said that in real life.

G: Okay. Good. In real life, AKA Supernatural.

C: Yeah. So like, I think that this ghoul could have fully made up the pool and the poker. [G laughs] Or it was probably just like, John tried to teach him and then got frustrated like, after five minutes and then gave up.

When, like, specifically, the Sam and Adam conversation at the end is like, Sam decides to start teaching Adam how to shoot, and Adam goes, "Dean said," [laughs] which means that he's already doing the like, "I think Dean is the boss of this family" thing. F. Dean's energy really is that rancid. Sam has his whole like, [dramatically] "I know what Dean said, but I also know what it's like to want revenge," etc etc. Like, he really is just projecting all over this guy. Good for him.

C: In the cemetery, Dean's disguised as an FBI person, asking around about the missing bodies. And he's being given a tour by the cemetery director. The cemetery director, like, is sort of creepy. Like, I thought he was gonna turn on Dean at some point. [G: Yeah.] But like, no, he's just like this. Like, he asks, "Tell me, Agent Nugent. Have you thought about where you might like to spend eternity?" And it literally is just him trying to sell a cemetery plot. [laughs] It is not a threat or anything.

G: Iconic.

C: Yeah. This is a true professional.

G: Yeah, [laughing] this is not a job. It's a life. [C laughs]

C: Yeah. And Dean notices that one of the areas where a body was stolen, there's this liquid that's spilled that is not blood, it's embalming fluid. Which means that whoever took the corpses also opened them up. Dean's next recon is that he goes to the bar where Joe Barton worked, and there's a bartender there who says that the first beer is free for cops and Feds. Boo. Dean asks her about Joe Barton, and she introduces herself as his wife. Dean finds out during this conversation that Joe Barton was a cop briefly, a long time ago, and he was involved in the grave robbery case that happened in 1990. He was supposedly the one who found the bodies. And apparently, like, the version of the story he told his wife was that he had "a little help from a specialist." "'And even though they never found who stole the bodies,' Joe said, 'we took care of what done it.'"

G: Crazy.

C: Yeah. Men love to be ominous and not tell their wives things.

G: The way this is delivered is she's like- it doesn't feel like a-

C: It feels like a "We found who it was, and we killed them." [laughs]

G: No, no, no, I mean, like, the way she delivers this doesn't feel like, you know, she is talking about a story that her missing husband told her. It's like, "Oh, I heard- I overheard." You know. Like, that's the vibe of the conversation, [C: That's true.] which does make it like, disconcerting to me, because it's like-

C: Yeah, she should be worried.

G: Like, if my significant other like, comes home- Well, first of all, I'm never gonna be involved with a cop in this way. [C laughs] But like, if somebody comes home and is like, "Oh, yeah, there was this really, really rough thing that happened. But don't worry. We took care of what done it." I'll be like, "That is absolutely fucking terrifying. What are you talking about?" [C: Yeah.] And I wouldn't be telling it to- well, strangers. I mean, I guess she thinks this is a Fed who's investigating the case. Well, I wouldn't be telling it to people in like, "Haha! Isn't it so funny that he said that?" I'll be like, "What if my husband is a fucking serial killer?" [C: Yeah.] Like, "What if he did it?" I don't know.

C: Hey. Hey. Guess what Sam's doing in this scene?

G: Ahh! But he's teaching someone to do it? [laughing]

C: Guess what Sam is doing in this scene, Grey, and also whoever posted that fucking Tumblr post. [G laughing] I wonder what action- Okay, you have 2 guesses, but it rhymes with "means a motgun." [G laughing] [laughs] Sam's cleaning a gun. So Sam and Adam are talking while Sam, again, is cleaning a gun. [both laughing]

G: [laughing] Well, it's not their fault! Like, it's not that Tumblr user's fault, because it's like, they just said, like, "Dean is always cleaning the gun," and everyone was like, "No, Sam's cleaning the guns, too. Here's a 'Mystery Spot'-" like, it's your duty as a Samgirl to know your Sam lore! [laughing]

C: Well. I think that probably that person picked and chose. [G laughing] I think that there was cherry picking in that academic paper. I think that peer review should have caught it

G: Exactly, and Supernatural, above all else, is an academic endeavor.

C: Yes. [laughing] Oh, to clarify, I'm not actually mad at whoever posted that. But yeah.

So Adam asks Sam how John really died. Every time I say "John" in this episode, they are saying "Dad," just so you know, but I refuse to say that.

G: And I will say it forever and ever.

C: Sam says it was a demon. Adam asks, "Did you hunt it down? Did you get revenge?" And Sam says, "Dean killed it." So Adam says, "So it's over for you." And Sam looks at Adam dramatically and goes, "It's never over." [laughs]

G: "It's never over." That's literally a Katy Perry. [laughs]

C: I mean, like, this life isn't over for him because, like, there's the fucking Apocalypse. But like, does he view anything he's doing right now is like, getting revenge for Mary or for John? What does that mean?

G: For Jess? I don't know.

C: For Jess, too?

G: I guess at this point, it's like, getting revenge for Dean, but he's not acting that way about it.

C: Yeah.

G: And I suppose that's the point. The point is that getting revenge is not really about the person you're getting revenge for. It's about yourself!

C: Mm-hm.

G: And Sam's not there yet though, so. [laughs]

C: The lights go out, and then there's sounds about. Sam, like, he gets his gun, and he just swings it about wildly. Like, I don't know. He's making very fast, jerking motions with it. He looked silly.

G: He looks so funny in this scene. It's so goofy. It's so silly looking. I don't know what it is. [C: Yeah.] Because Sam has done this thing like, multiple times before, but this is the only one where I'm like, "Oh, that's Jared acting in there."

C: Yeah, this is noticeably weird. Are they trying to show that he's more nervous than usual, because he's like, protecting someone who he's decided to care about very quickly?

G: I don't know. Did he not care about literally anyone else?

C: Supernatural puts a lot of emphasis on family, [G: Booo!] and he's very used to hunting with Dean already, [G: Yeah. I suppose so.] so he would trust that Dean can hold his own in a situation like this, but Adam is-

G: Pamela!

C: Yeah.

G: Was he this nervous with Pamela? Or I guess that was more like, the danger was already there, so it's not like, looking out for danger.

C: She already got stabbed. So there's a vent near the ceiling that Sam thinks that the monster is in. They run out of the motel to Adam's car. Sam's about to get in the car. He like, makes Adam give him the keys, and while he's approaching the car-

G: Why, even?

C: I don't know. Like, he just doesn't trust Adam's driving? Like, you don't know this car, Sam. All you've driven is the like, fucking Impala and that one rental car that one time.

G: Yeah. And also like, this is a much bigger car than either of those, and the size of the car does affect how you drive it. So like, whatever whatever. Also, I'm not sure that's true. I heard it from literally everybody else in my life who drives because I don't drive.

C: I think that's true. But as Sam approaches the car, something underneath it grabs his yankle- [laughs] grabs his ankle. Okay, while Sam app-

G: Grabs his yankle!

C: While Sam approaches the car-

G: Sorry, sorry. [both laughing]

C: You're preventing me from- [G laughing] this is to prevent me from being able to resay it so that you edit it to make it sound like I said it right the whole time. [both laughing] You're trying to force "grabs his yankle" into the podcast so everyone knows that I said that. [G laughing]

G: For real. Well, he does grab his yankle! [both laughing]

C: Fine. You know what? At this point, it's too late. [both laughing] He grabs his fucking yankle.

G: Well, I suppose the whole bit with the exchanging keys more of like, making sure that like, Sam's the one who gets grabbed and not Adam.

C: Yeah, that is what it is.

G: 'Cause like, obviously, the person's gonna grab the person who's like, entering the seat. It's just so contrived the way they get there.

C: Sam gets pulled under the car, but he manages to keep himself upright overall. Dean comes running back as well, so he and Adam both pull Sam free. When they move the truck, it is shown that there was a sewer grate that is open underneath, so that's where the monster came out of. They discuss a little bit about the attack that just happened. They will not be able to find the monster in the sewers. Sam and Dean figure out that who it's been going after are Joe Barton, Kate Milligan, and this was a trap for Adam. Which means that the monster is going after people who are related to John, and like, the time that he did a case in this town. Dean goes, "At least we know why it's back," and Adam goes, "It wants revenge." Soo true, ghoul guy! Love you.

G: I know! I mean, I find- like, most of the back end of that conversation between Sam and Dean is actually like, seen with Adam in front. Like, Adam, is like, in profile, while Sam and Dean are talking about this. And it's just- I'm thinking about this from like, the ghoul's perspective, right? Of like, Sam and did are doing all this, saying all this. And like, they're finally figuring out why all of this is happening. [C: Yeah.] And it's like-

C: "Ha ha!"

G: Yeah, it wants revenge.

C: Yeah. He's like, telling Sam and Dean, "Oh, I'm doing this for revenge for my mom." And it is him doing revenge for his dad.

G: For his dad. Wonderful!

G: We go back to the mom's house, right? They do this thing where they let Adam just go upstairs by himself. [C: Mm.] Stupid move! Why are you doing this? Like, we just established that the ghoul is out to get him. [C: I don’t know.] Why are you leaving him alone at any given opportunity? But Dean is saying that, “Oh, Adam needs to pack up so they can hit the road,” and Sam is just like, “No, we shouldn't.” And also, he's in the kitchen, he’s seated down and he’s propping up his foot up on the other seat, and at this moment I didn't realize that he was doing it because he's injured. So I was just like, “Oh, he's making himself feel at home,” and I was like, “Go, Sam!”

C: [laughs] Go Sam.

G: Dean is saying that they need to drop the kid off at Bobby’s, yeah, and then Sam and Dean are gonna kill this, whatever this thing is. I do find it interesting that Dean calls the kid ‘the kid’ here.

C: Yeah.

G: I think I've been doing it much of this episode also.

C: Yeah, I’ve also been calling him ‘the kid’. I mean, he's a college student so he feels like a kid.

G: He is. Sam is just there lounging around going, “Well, we got no leads, no anything. And what we do have is what this thing wants.” And Dean is like, “Oh, you want to use the kid as bait? That's why you want to stay here?” and gets, you know, upset about it, he could die, Sam’s like, “No, but we can train Adam, blah blah blah, and we could all die, and even if we–” [laughs] Sam is so funny, honestly. “What if the kid dies? Well, we’re all gonna die anyway.” [C laughs] Like, so true.

C: Yeah. He listened to “Memento Mori” recently, and he was like, “That's a great point, Will Wood.”

G: [laughs] He was like, “Thanks, Will Wood.”

C: But I mean, I guess the point is that with the Apocalypse upcoming he's not really betting on longevity for anybody. So he's more willing to do this. Okay, also, didn't Dean ask a literal ten year old to be bait in “Something Wicked” 1.18? Didn’t that happen? [G: Yes.] Yeah.

G: Yes, but to be fair to that one, I think it is different when it’s like, if we get rid of this we can save your brother or whatever–is that true? Or is that not true? Is that a lie? Am I lying?

C: Yeah, true, his brother's sick in the hospital.

G: It's different when it's to save a life versus [C: Just to kill the ghoul.] when it's like, you are the target. Yeah.

C: Because, as far as we know, she doesn't want anything other than just to get Adam, and then go back to sleep?

G: Yeah, I don't know, I suppose.

C: Though I mean, they still don't know who it is, and they still aren’t sure–I guess they still don't know for sure that the ghoul would stop killing afterwards.

G: You know what I thought of when you said that is that Dean was used as bait in “Something Wicked,” when they were kids. That's what I thought you were talking about.

C: Oh, no.

G: You do GAF about that. [laughs]

C: Yeah, I mean, Sam was bait mostly. [G: Sam was bait.] Dean was there to kill the shtriga, Sam was the bait.

G: Yeah. In this scene, Sam is basically being like, Adam can both be the Sam and the Dean, he could be the bait and he can also kill the thing, good for him honestly. And of course it's different. Because Sam and Dean were small children. [C: Yeah.] Versus Adam now, who is, you know, a 20 year old minor, or whatever.

C: [laughs] I mean, I still think it's not a great suggestion, because yeah, like we said, if we're pretty sure that the ghoul only wants to kill Adam, then just get Adam out of here and call it a day. It’s a revenge-driven thing only, I guess, is the point, which is why it feels worse than the shtriga in “Something Wicked.”

G: I mean, the thing about Sam and Dean is every single time there's something else, someone else on screen it’s a projection material [C: Mm.] and in that episode, it was Dean projecting to the kid the part of him that wanted to take care of Sam.

C: Yeah, like, “I couldn't save Sam back then, so now let's–once this kid is used as bait, he'll be so happy that he helped save his brother.”

G: Yeah, and here, the thing that Dean is projecting is his desire to not have had gone through all that shit, you know. [C: Uh huh.] If we're looking at it from like, what are Sam and Dean's moral stances in these situations? And it's like, they're deriving from their own experiences and from different facets of those experiences. And that's why this is how it is.

C: Right. What is Sam projecting specifically here? I mean, he is on his “Dad was right” kick right now.

G: Revenge. [C: Yeah.] The revenge is the big one, I feel like.

C: Yeah, yeah, Adam should have a chance to kill the thing that killed his mom. [G: Yeah.] ‘Cause Sam didn't get to kill Azazel, and then Dean got the nod of approval from John, who completely walked past Sam and then went to Heaven. [C and G laugh] So. God, that is still so funny!

G: Every time we bring that up we just go, “What the fuck were they doing? Seriously, what the fuck was that?”

C: And they still tried to claim that Kevin couldn’t go to Heaven!

G: And the thing is, I don't know if I said this in the podcast or maybe I said a completely different thing, but that was one of those things where you just forget it happens [C: Yeah.] and so every time it happens, you’re completely shocked to your core [C laughs] like, “What the fuck is this? I completely forgot about this,” and you forget it because it’s so stupid. [C: Yeah.] But now I remember it because it’s so stupid.

C: Funny as fuck, though. Yeah, 'cause I feel like every time people are mad about the Kevin thing, they're like, “That's not true, because John's mentioned to be in Heaven in the finale.” And it's like, well, that's not true, because John in Season 2 went to fucking Heaven. One forgets.

G: Yeah. But yeah, because you can make the argument that, “In Season 15, they already change the Heaven deal so now Kevin can go to Heaven,” you know, stuff like that, but no, in Season 2, they did it. So did something change between Season 2 and the beginning of Season 15?

C: Maybe so, maybe so.

G: I don’t know, maybe so. Perhaps. Perchance, even.

G: Sam keeps on going. He says, “Even if we do kill this thing, there are tons of other freaks that want revenge on Dad and on us. [C: He says ‘freaks’.] So what if they find the kid instead? And he's not ready?” And so his point here is like, I suppose we just have to prepare him because he already is in the life, no matter what. [C: Yeah.] The argument that we can't bring him into the life doesn't work, when, whether we bring him in or not, he's already in.

C: Yeah. Okay. So about the use of the word ‘freaks’, obviously [G: Freaks! Yeah.] that's a very charged word for Sam.

G: Yeah, he's a sick bitch.

C: I mean, he likes freak sex.[laughs]

G: [laughs] I mean, other than that, he also does say stuff about being a freak and et cetera.

C: Yeah. Doesn't he go–isn't that what causes him to break in “After School Special”? [G: “A whole new level of freak!”] Yeah, no, but also, isn't that what causes him to beat up Dirk so hard, is being called a freak? Does he also punch Dean at some point because he gets called a freak by him? Freak in Supernatural is used as a substitution slur for something. So the fact that Sam is saying it now–I think part of it is just that he's trying to distance himself from monsterhood really hard. And part of that means cosplaying the big, strong hunter like John, like Dean sometimes when he's pretending. So that's part of that word choice. It is interesting that he's like–'cause what I thought “Well, we could all die” is about is, well, the Apocalypse is happening. But no, he's like, “Specifically, there are things that want to kill us. And John, who is already dead.” When was the last time anyone wanted revenge on Sam and Dean?

G: Meg. But that's a different thing I feel.

C: That's true. But that was in Season 2.

G: Yeah. Who is getting revenge on Sam and Dean? I don't know. [C: Yeah.] I mean, Jenny, but that’s later. [C laughs] Jenny is a later revenge. So it was true, somebody was coming to get on them for revenge reasons. [C: Yeah.] Sam was right!

C: God, that's so funny, it’s so funny that they did that.

G: And the fact that it’s like, “Hey, Jenny,” like we’re supposed to know who the fuck that is, when they never mentioned that name in the episode she was in. Like, okay, slay.

C: [laughs] It’s great.

G: Supernatural’s so unserious.

C: Yeah. So okay, so part of the projecting is that Sam wishes that he could have revenge more than he does. And also, “What if they find the kid instead, and he's not ready.” Is that something that Sam's just saying, or is that a strong belief that he holds?

G: I think he does not GAF about this. He's just saying shit.

C: Yeah, 'cause I guess there is something to be said about like, Jessica died because he thought that he was safe, but Azazel found him anyway. [G: Yeah.] He'd let his guard down and all that shit by that point. Adam is currently in college studying premed, so I think that he could definitely be projecting a lot of his Stanford self onto Adam, and finding his Stanford self weak and lacking in the current mindset he's in. Yeah, I don't know. They really do not mention Jess in this show. Isn't there a scene in Season 12 or some shit where Sam’s like, “And I still think about Jessica every day,” and it's like, well, that's nice. I wish this was shown in any way.

G: Does he say that in Season 12?

C: I don’t know, there's a later season thing where he does say that he still thinks about Jess a lot

G: And he does–I think that's true, and I think he does say ‘Jessica.’ [C: Oh.] Which is like, I don't know.

C: That's different. That's not the person he knew. That's just the event.

G: I think it's also just like, when you're talking to someone who didn't know her, it's easier to use the more formal names. blah blah blah. [C: Sure.] But I don't know. Maybe I'm completely lying. Maybe this is just completely untrue.

C: Well, we'll find out in five years or some shit.

G: As Sam's saying all this shit, Adam comes in, and he goes, “I'll do it, whatever it takes, I'll do it. I want to do it.” [C: Slay.] And Sam does have a look. I mean, I suppose it is a bit shameful to be heard saying [C: Yeah, exactly.] “I want to use you as bait.” Yeah, but he's not too ashamed.

C: Sam teaches Adam how to shoot outside. he's spray painted a target on a No Trespassing sign. Which is, yeah, Sam should have an Instagram, I think. He does a good job with his three shots, and then Adam has a go, and he does a pretty good job. All of them hit the sign [G: Hell yeah.] and two of them are inside the inside circle and everything. Meanwhile Dean is standing several long feet away, shaking his head disapprovingly at all of this. Sam's clapping Adam on the back and complimenting him and everything. I guess Sam's never really gotten to teach anyone anything, so now that he has a younger brother, it's nice.

G: I think I've said this before in the podcast but there is something to say about how Sam, when you see him outside of the Sam and Dean dynamic, is a leader type. He likes to teach, he likes to impart knowledge in this way, when the Season 13 bit happens he was the leader of that whole gang. But when he is with Dean, which, he is most of the time just with Dean, he becomes the smaller person, the little brother, the one who follows orders, and the one who, if he is to not follow orders, it needs to be a whole thing instead of just something that he does. I think for Sam there is some gratification in having someone look up to you in this way and be able to teach them in this way. He can't flex his leadership skills, he can flex his big brother skills.

C: Happy for him.

G: Happy for him. Sorry he's a ghoul.

C: [laughs] Yeah, no, when at the end Sam was like, “Why don't we ask Cas to bring him back?” He was just like, “I really wanna teach someone shooting again.”

G: He was like, “I thought I was out of having to deal with Dean by myself this whole time. [C laughs] Now I'm going to–” This is so miserable. He was really looking forward to having Adam in the backseat.

C: Yeah, truly.

C: Inside of the Milligan house, Sam's doing some reading and also telling Adam stories about hunts and things, and Adam's so impressed at like, “Oh, you used a homemade flamethrower?” And Sam's like, “Yeah, they're easy to build. I'll show you,” he is thriving. He's having a good time, and then he starts being such a guy. [C and G laugh] Adam goes, “That is some job that you got, man,” and Sam goes, “Being a hunter isn't a job, Adam. It's life.” Not even “it’s a life,” just “it’s life,” like, “ball is life” levels of sentence here.

G: [laughs] He literally says “ball is life” for hunting.

C: Yeah. And he goes, “You're premed, you got a girlfriend, friends,” and Adam nods, and Sam goes, “Not anymore you don't.” [C and G laugh]

G: Sam said “Break up with your girlfriend. We're going hunting.”

C: God. [G: He’s so funny.] Adam agrees to be bait on one case. Are we really here?

G: It’s crazy, because it's not like–I don't think Adam is like, “I'm going to become a hunter forever and ever.” He's just like, “I want to do this thing.”

C: “This thing killed my mom. So I wanna be in on this.” And Sam’s like, “Okay, well, quit school. Break up with your girlfriend. Let's go.”

G: Sam says, “That's the price we pay,” and I keep on thinking, “But like, for what?” [C laughs] Like what do you buy?

C: Like, a miserable life? The [both] satisfaction of saving people.

G: But I don't know, is it worth it? The price you pay. [laughs]

C: Wow. Are you really so arrogant to think your life above the six billion other people on this planet, or whatever the fuck Lilith said? [G laughs]

G: And Sam literally was like, “Yes.” God, because again, they do not acknowledge "It's a Terrible Life" like it's an episode that ever happened. And in that episode, Sam, without all of the burden of knowing what hunting is like, without knowing all of the whatever whatever, still wants to do it, you know? Even without the context of his childhood, anything, he wants to do it. I don't know. I feel like this is such a, if Sam thinks of it in that way, I don't know. Again, we're asking, what's the price to pay for what? And Sam answers it in that episode, kind of, like, “Oh, we can do this because it's adrenaline, blah blah blah,” but also it’s something that he was built to do, something he was made to do.

C: And also so that they could help people a lot, is something he mentioned also.

G: Yeah. And it's just like. I don't know, for Sam it's like, “Yeah, that's the price you pay because you feel like it's the thing that you're supposed to be doing.” But do you think that kind of argument works for someone like Adam, you know? Adam wasn't raised into this. Adam doesn't have the proclivity to it, or whatever.

C: Sam’s current era is fairly biodeterministic, I think. [G: Yeah. Yeah.] So it could just be like, “You’re John's child, you’re a Winchester, and therefore-”

G: Yeah, but they also know that Mary is a hunter, and they know for a fact that Mary came from a hunter family, and they know - well, not for a fact, but, like, Dean thinks John didn't come from a hunter family, and in a way, John really did not come from a hunter family, because his dad was not a hunter, he's a Man of Letters, and also, he was not raised by his dad. [C: Yeah.] So I don't know. I feel like this conversation is just- it would have gone differently if Sam remembered that shit. But what the fuck.

C: Yeah, well, what Sam says after "Not anymore, you don't" is, [dramatically] "If you're really gonna do this, you can't have those kinds of connections, ever. They're weaknesses. You'll just put those people in danger. Get them killed." Which, I mean, I guess is why I think of Jess. Like, "You're in college. Do you have a girlfriend? Well, you're gonna get her killed." God, he's being so dramatic, though. Only a ghoul would sit and nod along to this shit. But like, Sam's just like, so far into whatever he's far into that like, he's not realizing.

G: Like, if this is really Adam, Adam would have said, "Dude. Unclench." [C laughs] And Sam would be like, "Oh, okay. What? Okay!"

C: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Sam has the "price we pay" line. And he says, "There's only one thing you can count on. Family."

G: Horrible.

C: Right, and this is all very laughable. But then, like, Dean pulls Sam aside and goes-

G: [gasps] Okay, we're here.

C: - like, "Hey, what the fuck was that about? Dad gave you that exact same speech, remember? It was just before you ditched us for Stanford."

G: Crazy.

C: Which, yeah, that's craaazy. Well, okay. "It was just before you dished us for Stanford." Does this mean like, this was during the Stanford fight, or does Dean mean like, "C: I think this is part of what prompted you to take the offer?"

G: Yeah.

C: The second one?

G: It's like, what prompted to like, have the fight.

C: So it was during the fight, and not like, during Sam's acceptance of the offer, you think?

G: No, I mean like, this is what prompted the fight.

C: Right, okay. So Sam said, "I'm going to Stanford." John said, "No, you can't." and then they had the fight was the timeline.

G: I feel like if it was like, during the fight itself or even close to that fight in that way, Dean would say like, "That's what Dad said when you went to Stanford" or whatever.

C: "Right before you ditched us for Stanford" is like, that's not very- like, that's a thesaurus.com rendition of what you just said.

G: I don't think so. [C: Okay.] I think this means like, a couple of weeks before, or like, a couple of months before.

C: "Just before" is pretty close. Yeah.

G: Yes.

C: Also, okay, I guess quick note that it's still insane that Dean says "ditched us for Stanford" [laughs] when John was literally the one who said, "If you leave, you can never, ever come back." [laughs] [G: Yeah.] Like, wow, Dean is still a shithead about this. Good to know.

G: 'Cause the speech is, "If you're going to be a real hunter, you need to get rid of everything else in your life, and the only real person in your life you can count on is your family." I feel like that's not really in direct with the Stanford. Because if the argument is, "You cannot have a life outside of hunting if you're gonna be a hunter," that's not really something you say to someone who's going, "I think I'm gonna leave hunting."

C: No, I mean, maybe it was just like, "I think that I want to go to Stanford. But that doesn't mean I'm like, leaving you guys." And it's like, "No, it's all or nothing."

G: I just do not see it as like, a direct like, thing with the fight. Like, this is more of like, John says this, and then Sam is in like, hearing this, brewing, brewing, brewing, and then being like, "Actually, I don't agree."

C: I think that makes sense as an interpretation. Yeah, so then Dean says, "You hated dad for saying that stuff. And now you're quoting him?" And Sam says, "Yeah, well, turns out, Dad was right." Dean asks, "Since when?" and Sam says, "Since always. Dean, when I look at Adam, you know what I see?" Dean says, "A normal kid," and Sam says, "No. Meat. Because to the demons and monsters out there, that's all he is. I hated Dad for a long time, I did, but now I think I understand. So we didn't have a dog and a white picket fence. So what? Dad did right by us. He taught us how to protect ourselves. Adam deserves the same."

G: This is what I mean. When like, the conversation starts being about like, what one deserves. [laughs] What a crazy way to look at any of this as like, something that is deserved or whatever.

C: Yeah, Sam also says, "He deserves to know." when he starts telling Adam about hunting. [G: Yeah.] I feel like think that felt like a "As a member of our family, he should have like, truthfulness from us."

G: Yeah, no, because the argument is like, "Cut off all of your family- Cut off all of your friends and everyone you love, etc." And like, Sam, is conflating that with being given the ways and the knowledge [both] to protect yourself.

C: Oh, Sam.

G: I think that does speak to something that, like, Sam thinks protecting yourself includes protecting yourself from all the emotional harm that being attached to other people who may die or be hurt can cause you.

C: Yeah, I mean, we do see that progression in, like, the women he sleeps with. [G: Yeah.] Sarah like, he goes back and kisses her. He stays for a bit. Madison, he has to kill. And then with Cara, like, Dean's like, "You gonna stop by and say goodbye?" and Sam’s like, “What's the point? No.”

G: It is like, for me, I look at this, and I think, "Sam does solemnly think that he's doing these people a favor." Like, "I am not like, involving myself with you, or if I'm involved with you already, I'm cutting you off to make you safe." But like, I don't know, he fails to see that a lot of it is like, himself. Like, a lot of it is like, a self-preservation thing for himself.

C: Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, the Sam saying like, "Meat. Because that's how the demons and monsters out there see him." is like, another like, sneaky little "'Cause Sam's turning into a monster, so he has that POV now!" thing, which goes with what you were saying about, like, their point with the ghouls, and "You are what you eat," etc.

C: I think it's the- He says, "But now I think I understand." So when was the turning point? Because the way that's phrased is kind of like, "On this case, I grew to understand," which is interesting. 'Cause I feel like he was already sort of on the "John was right" train in Season 2, but then, like, he says "now." And I guess that's just like- 'cause again, as we said, this is the first time he's been in like, a position of like, older brother-esque, and I feel like he's taking on a bit of a paternal role with Adam. So now he's like, "Now that I'm in that kind of a role," regarding Adam, it's like, "what John did as a father, I think, is, in fact, what I would do as a father." which is certainly a thing to realize about yourself and then not even feel conflicted over because you're having a real fucked-in-the-head season.

G: I think part of what Sam is trying to say here is that like, "Dad taught us to protect ourselves," and for Adam, that extends to "If Dad taught Adam how to protect himself, he would have also been able to protect his mom." [C: Hm. Yeah.] And then he didn't, and so his mom's dead now. And that's like, a result of John hiding shit from him.

C: Adam was literally away at college. Yeah, but I guess it's like, "He wouldn't even have gone to college if Dad taught him to protect himself!"

G: Yeah. And it's just, I don't know. That's a really sad perspective to have. Because it's like, yeah, like, protecting yourself and being a hunter means protecting the people around you, but also it means that you should never like, love the people around you much, just in case they disappear. Just in case like, your love is what causes them to die?

C: Yeah. Dean says, "Listen to yourself, man," and Sam says, "You think I'm wrong?" Dean says, "I think it's too late for us. This is our life. This is who we are, okay? And it's fine. I accept that. But with Adam, he's still got a chance. He can go to school. He could be a doctor!" And Sam goes, "What makes Adam so special?" And Dean goes, "Are you jealous of the kid?" And Sam goes, "Are you?" I mean, the answer to both of those are "yes," [laughs] I believe.

G: Yes and yes.

C: Yeah.

G: I mean, the thing that really got to me here is that, like, "It's too late for us. This is our life. This is who we are." And especially in an episode where Dean is so portrayed as like, the angry man in the trio, right? The thing with Dean is so many of the things that he does, like being angry, always, you know- just all of the shit. He just always thinks like, "Well, that's just how it is, because it's too late to change now. Like, this is just who I am now, and I cannot improve or whatever, because it's just how it is." The way that he says it is like, "I accept that." And he frames it as kind of like, a positive thing, almost, the acceptance, and not a sign of defeat. He won't fight back against having like, an existence that is unsatisfying for him anymore because he has accepted it and thinks of the acceptance is a good thing. He literally heard, like, I don't know, "Desire is the last illusion. Give it up, and you will be free," and he was like, "That's true!" [C laughs] and then just did not interface with in any way [laughs], like, meaningful.

C: Good for him. Sam says, "Dean. All of this? It's not real." Succession-core. The Dad Adam knew? He wasn't real. The things out there in the shadows? They are real. The world is coming to an end. That's real. Everything else is just part of the crap people tell themselves to get through the day. Man, Sam is going through it!

G: This is the kind of shit you start thinking when you're really, really depressed, you know? [C: Yeah.] That like, nothing else is real aside from the miseries of the world.

C: Yeah. Friends aren't real, love isn't real, only family is real, and family is obligation and hiding and yelling at each other.

G: The thing is like, "The Dad Adam knew, he wasn't real." And it's like, he was real to Adam. Like, that was really John who was really talking to Adam.

C: Yeah, he was there. He said all those things.

G: He said all those things. And it's like, I mean, why? It's because he was hiding an aspect of his life from Adam? John was also hiding Adam from you. That's also an aspect of his life. Was he not real because he was hiding that part to you? "The things out there in the shadows, they are real." It's true. "The world is coming to an end, that's real." Also true. But like, Sam’s perspective of "And those are the only things that are real in the world ever, ever, ever," it's just like-

C: Yeah.

G: I mean, the thing is, I suppose, if you live your life, every single day, thinking of fighting what's out there in the shadows, or like, you, for the last few months of your life, or maybe a year, even, you you just wake up and go, "Yeah, the Apocalypse is coming, and if I don't stop it, it's over. The world is gonna end." Like, of course that's the only thing that's gonna be on your mind.

C: Yeah. And you're gonna see everyone else as mindless sheeple who don't know [laughs] the truth or whatever.

G: Yeah, but also, let's say this is all true. Adam's not gonna change that. [C: Yeah.] Like, okay, maybe Adam does become a hunter and then hunts, and it's like, changes like- I don't know. Hunts a few stuff and saves a few lives. Okay, great. The world is still coming to an end. Like, just let the kid live! I don't know. Like- [laughs]

C: Yeah, but Sam wants to- I think Sam just wants to pull someone else into the misery-

G: Of course. Of course.

C: - and, like, Adam, being John's son is like, an excuse to do so 'cause he probably couldn't justify doing that to anyone else. [G: Yeah.] But it's like, "We're all part of the same sick club. Well, get in." But also, he does find joy in like, having Adam be enthusiastic about the cases, and like, teaching him how to use a gun and stuff. It's not all like, bullshit. But it is just like, "The only people that it's safe to like, have an emotional connection to is your family," 'cause like, that's already like, built in, or something. So like, you're allowed to have fun with your family and be friends with like, people in your family, but like, with no one else, I guess, is the point of that.

G: Yeah. I think a part of it is the voluntary versus obligatory. [C: Mm-hm.] Well, if your family member dies, like, no matter how much you don't like them, you're still going to feel some semblance of a complicated emotion, you know. Like, there's still going to be something there, just by virtue of "This is a person who is tied to me in a way that I cannot untie." With friendship, it's a different thing. And so with- I think there is more- it's easier, almost. You like, allow yourself to connect with your family, because it's like, the leap from familial connection to personal connection is shorter than no connection to personal connection, which is what friendship is. [C: Mm.] Sam is so fucking sick in the head this season.

C: Yeah. Sorry, Sam.

G: Like, Dean's next line is the one that I was like, "Oh." He says, "Dad didn't have a choice with us, okay? But with Adam, he did, and Adam doesn't have to be cursed." Horrible. [C: Mm.] Dean really thinks like, "This is the only way it could have gone."

C: Yeah. Why? 'Cause, like, Mary died, so John just needed to get revenge, and because they're all like, Mary's kids as well as John kids, they just like, had to be part of it? Is that what you mean?

G: Yeah.

C: Well, that's fucked.

G: Yeah, no. For Dean, there was no other option. Like, I think about like, how throughout the rest of this show, Dean will have moments where he goes, "Yeah, what Dad did was fucked up." Like, "That was actually pretty messed up," or "That was actually pretty horrible. That actually traumatized me." But in his head it's like, "But it's all justified." Like, "It was bad, but it wasn't like there could have been an action or an outcome that was good." You know, like, acknowledging that something is bad only goes so far. You also have to like, I don't know, I guess, for Dean, he also needs to acknowledge that there was a way to do that that wasn't bad. 'Cause that is also the kind of logic, then, that Dean applies to himself. He's always guilty that he's so angry. He's always guilty that he did this thing and that thing and whatever whatever. But he never actually does anything to change. Because he applies that logic to himself.

C: He's like, "I wish I wasn't like this, but it's just- yeah, I wish."

G: "But I am." [C: Yeah.] And it's like, but there is a version of this story where you're not the angry man in the house, you know? And he just never realizes. Never fucking realizes. [C: Yeah.] And when he does, he [laughs] dies of tetanus. [C laughs] Hell yeah!

C: Did he realize?

G: I mean, at some point, he was like, "That's not who I am." when he self-actualized as a liar. [C laughing]

C: Yeah, I mean, it's just 'cause Cas gave him a big, beautiful speech that was completely untrue. [both laugh] And then he remembered it.

G: No, I mean, also, like, the, you know, the prayer scene. I feel like that is like, a "Okay. I'm acknowledging it now."

C: I don't remember that.

G: Yeah, of course you don't, because you haven't-

C: Yeah, because I haven't seen it. A prayer to who?

G: To Cas.

C: After Cas dies?

G: No no no, the tree.

C: Oh, you mean in 15.09. Whatever.

G: He does say there that like, "I did this because it was easier." And like, I think there's still ways to go for Dean, but like, I think acknowledging that like, he didn't let Cas go because it was the only way that it could have gone. Like, Cas didn't leave because that's just what Cas does. He left specifically because Dean did something and was afraid to do the right thing. That is an acknowledgement that like, "And that would have gone differently, if I did what was harder but right." [C: Mm-hm.] And then he dies, couple episodes later. [both] Slay!

C: Yeah, Sam says, "He's a Winchester. He's already cursed."

G: Boo.

C: Oh, Sam! I'm really glad that when Sam finally parents Jack, it's- He's good at it. It's different. [G: Yeah.] I'm glad that Season 4 Sam is not where Sam ends up.

G: I mean, like, here's the- you know. "He's a Winchester. He's already cursed." And I, in my head, go, "He's not even a Winchester! [both] He's a Milligan."

C: He goes, "So, whatever's hunting Adam, I'm just gonna find it and kill it, and then it'll all be fine." And then he heads out to do just that.

G: And where he ends up is back to the tomb he was looking at earlier, and this time he sees this fucking tunnel that's just covered by a giant stone. And goes in there, goes into the tunnel, and ends up in this big like, cavern? Is that a term? [C: Mm-hm.] Whatever. There's just this giant like, underground room. He looks around. There's bodies, like, there's skeletons and stuff. And he sees one that like, he recognizes as Joe from the bar. He hears stuff in the tunnel, scuttling around. Oh no! Meanwhile, in the house where Sam is putting Adam up for bait, they close up every single like, panel. Every single vent. And so if the being is going to arrive, it's just gonna be there. And then suddenly, a woman is going like, "Adam! Adam!" And Adam realizes that it's his mom. So he goes to him, and Sam is pointing at Kate. And she's going like, "Look, they took me, but I got away!" blah blah blah. And eventually, as Crystal said, earlier, Adam gets the gun away from Sam.

C: Yeah, 'cause Sam's like, trying- he's aiming this shotgun at Kate. Adam taking it is like a "Don't shoot my mom" sort of situation, I think.

G: There's also like, a fun part where, like, Sam is going like, "You listen to me!" And Kate is going like, "No, you listen to me!" which is pretty fun. Adam eventually points the gun at his mom, and Sam is just going, "Shoot! Just shoot him, Adam! Just shoot him! Just shoot him!" which is very, you know.

C: He says, "Shoot it. It's not human." which is [laughs] a very Season 4 Sam thing, I think.

G: Love that. [gay voice] "That's not your mother." [both laugh] Well, it's not. It's not mother. [C: Yeah.] And Adam just looks at Sam and does a little sicko smile and goes, "I know." And then hits Sam in the head.

C: Hell yeah.

G: And, you know, Sam's collapsed on the ground. As this is happening, by the way, Dean is like, opening up this coffin, and then he sees Kate in there. And he's like, "Oh, she's dead for real, for real." And so we also know that like, that is definitely not Kate anymore, because the body is here, obviously. And at the moment Adam headbutts Sam with the shotgun- So that's not a headbutt. But whatever. He butts with a shotgun. Dean opens the like, coffin beside the Kate one, and Adams in there!

C: Hell yeah, babey!

G: It's so fun. This reveal is so fun.

C: It's really fun. I don't regret knowing the twist beforehand, because it allowed me to to giggle and cackle [G: For real.] as ghoul!Adam continued his machinations throughout the episode.

G: In your sicko voice, even.

C: Yeah, but it would also be very fun to find out here. Dean tries to escape by breaking a stained glass window in the fucking cavern whatever the fuck. Meanwhile, Sam is tied to a table-

G: Jesus style?

C: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he's being crucified. And Kate and Adam - well, the ghouls that are taking on the forms of Kate and Adam - are nearby. Sam calls them ghouls and Kate says, "You know, I find that term racist." I, just-

G: What is this??

C: I guess- Okay, like, the origin of the ghoul is that like, it's a being from pre-islamic Arabian religion, so like, what? It's racist, 'cause she's not Arab? What? [G laughs] I'm not really sure.

G: What even is- Also, like, they make a point of being like, "their dad," and that they're like, brother and sister, right? And so they do have conceptions of gender.

C: Yes.

G: How does that work if the person they last ate is like, the person they become? [C: I mean-] Can you only just-

C: I think they could eat whatever, but they do gender-affirming eating. [G laughs]

G: Hell yeah!

C: Hell yeah.

G: Well, one day a ghoul will eat me and have like, a transgender revelation. [C: Hell yeah.] And it'll be the most important thing to happen in their ghoulish life.

C: She's being creepy and being like, "Oh, wow, I want to eat you so bad." She mentions that she's really excited about the prospect of eating fresh meat instead of what they're used to, which means that, like, dead bodies aren't like, a ghoul's like, natural diet? It's just like, what they settle for?

G: Yeah, I don't know. Pretty benevolent of them to graverob that kid.

C: Yeah, their dad was being really nice! Like, that was really nice of their dad. [G: Yeah.] So Sam's like, "I'm trying to provoke them" or just being a dick in general, where he goes like, "Ghouls don't usually go after the living. You're just filthy scavengers feeding off the dead, taking the form of the last corpse you choke down," which is like, part of that is just like, exposition, but he is doing it in like a "You suck" way. That's just- "It's bad to eat dead things. It makes you a filthy scavenger." Okay, like, are you eating like, your burgers when the cows are alive, Sam? Like, what is this? [both laugh]

G: Sam is like- Dean is in a restaurant being like, "I want the-"

C: Bacon cheeseburger, yeah.

G: "I want the steak like, medium rare, or whatever." [laughs] Sam's like, "Just get the cow in here. I'll just bite the cow." [both laugh]

C: And Adam reveals that ghouls also get the thoughts and memories of the last person that they eat. "We are what we eat."

G: Pretty fun!

C: And Sam says, "You're monsters." And throughout this, like, he's being like, cut up with knives and like, they're like, sucking on his blood and shit, and he's losing blood fast, and it's like, "Ouch! Owie! Ow!" Yeah, Adam says, like, "You know, you use that word a lot, Sam, but I don't think you know what it means." And then Kate mentions that Sam's blood tastes different, so yeah, it is sort of like a "Well, you're calling us monsters, but you've changed from human biology, also, due to the actions that you're doing that are evil this season."

G: It is so fascinating how that works. Is it only demon blood that, like, changes the taste of your blood from human to something else?

C: I don't- 'cause like, what does demon blood tastes like?

G: 'Cause I eat- like, if you eat animal blood, which I do, like, does that change- like, if a ghoul eats me- again, the transgender ghoul eats me [C: Yeah.], like, what's the situation? Are they gonna be like, "Oh, this one just had like, a betamax. What's that about?" [C laughs]

C: We can call a ghoul over after you eat certain things and have them test it out.

G: [laughs] Exactly. I hope the transgender ghoul thinks I'm tasty! [C laughs]

C: The Adam goes, "Our father was a monster. Why? Because of what he ate? He never hurt anyone, Sam. Living, anyway." And like, he's literally right. Like, correct.

G: [laughing] It's all correct, but because they're delivering this in their sicko voice-

C: [overlapping] - they're doing it between sucks of Sam's blood [G laughs], it's like-

G: We're supposed to be like, "And they're so wrong!"

C: It's like, obviously, like, the body is important to many religions and it's not great that that happened to the bodies, but like, [G: Yes.] if you need to eat like, people to survive, like, okay! [G: Yeah.] It really does not warrant a hunt. Kate says, "No, he was no monster. But the thing that killed him was. A monster named John Winchester." So fucking true!

G: Whoo! And, I mean, to add to the ghoul stuff, it's like, isn't the thesis of hunting, like, "saving people, hunting things"? And so like, who the fuck are you saving with like, a ghoul situation? I don't know. Maybe it's like a saving from like, you know, Heavenly blah blah blah. You know, it is quite confusing to me the way, like, hunters are portrayed as nonbelievers of religion when all your equipment is religion- a lot of their equipment is religion-based. But slay. [C: Yeah.] Is it just like, a- what's that thing called? When it's like, it's not the actual- is it a placebo effect [C laughs] when you throw holy water at a demon, it's like, "Ah! Yowchie! Ouch!" and it's just because they think it's holy water, and that's why it's happening?

C: Maybe so.

G: Maybe so.

C: And then. It is also fun that, like, John is like, the monster, you know? Wasn't it like, fucking Jo who was like- her dad used to tell her stories about like, monsters when she was a kid? Like, about the stuff he hunted?

C: I think Mary also received that kind of upbringing.

G: Oh, I think that was Mary, actually. Yeah, you're right. That was Mary, not Jo. And like, I think it is absolutely fascinating to have like, a monster doing like, a "Oh, here's a bedtime story." And it's like, [hushed] "There's this man named John Winchester." [C laughing]

C: "And he's a dick!"

G: "He's a fucking asshole."

C: So more ghoul backstory is that Kate and Adam are brother and sister and grew up orphaned, but had each other. Adam says, "Like you and your brother. Inseparable."

G: There's also like, a very fun bit where Sam has like, wounds, but on his side, a la Jesus! Like, they're really Jesus-ing him on this one. And Adam just digs into it. [biting sound]

C: Nom-nom-nom. Kate says, "It was very hard to get you on your own." Wouldn't they just want to torture both of them? Like, why just Sam?

G: I don't know.

C: Confusing.

G: Sam's their fave.

C: Yeah, they say that for 20 years, their lives sucked ass, and they just ate stinking flesh from a graveyard. But then they decided to move up to alive people, specifically for revenge. This ghoul is sexist.

G: Yeah!

C: 'Cause Kate calls real Kate "John's slut." Okay. And she doesn't even call Adam his bastard. She says "it was John's cop friend, and then his slut, and then his son." Obviously, if this was like, an equal opportunity, just use whatever insult you could, [G laughs] like, "And then his bastard"! Like, that literally is his bastard son! But no. She just hates women! Right, and then they found out that John was dead, so Sam and Dean are gonna be the substitutes. They're gonna feed it on Sam, nice and slow, like they did with Adam. "Oh, by the way, he really was your brother. You should know that. He was still alive when we took our first bites, and he was a screamer." Hell yeah. And this whole time, there are a bunch of shots of like, these bowls under Sam's arms, because, like, every time he's like, flexing to try to get out of the ropes, like, more blood gushes out into the bowls. [G: Yeah.] And for some reason, I thought he was gonna do some kind of cool demon blood trick. Like, that he was like, making the blood out of his arms on purpose. But no, that's just the blood going out of his arms, due to his grievous injuries. RIP.

G: Also, what is the situation of like, drinking your own blood if you have demon blood?

C: Probably nothing. 'Cause it's like, he's increasing like, the concentration of demon in his blood when he drinks pure demon blood. If he's drinking his own blood, that doesn't mean anything.

G: But, like, does the concentration decrease?

C: No, I think it's just the same because, like, you already have demony blood.

G: But- [laughs] How do I put this? Like, do you- you never- [laughs] like, how does that work? 'Cause it's not like there's like, an unlimited vat of blood. It's like, something's gotta be replacing something, you know? [C: Right.] So is the demon blood just so much more powerful than the human blood?

C: Oh, yeah, is Sam just like, pissing out human blood every time after he drinks Ruby's blood? [G laughs] Are his veins bulging with all the extra blood that goes directly in there?

G: I know. What is it? I mean, your marrow does produce blood cells.

C: Well, maybe it's just that [laughs] Sam loses enough blood on hunts that like, it balances out. It wouldn't work for other people. [G laughs]

G: Yeah. He loses blood, and then -

C: He gets his demon blood transfusion.

G: - his body produces more blood cells, and that's human blood. Yeah. And so he needs to get demon blood to get the levels back in order.

C: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dean comes in with a gun, and he gets Adam in the shoulder. And Sam yells, "Dean! They're ghouls!"

G: "It's a ghoul!" Yeah.

C: So Dean kills Kate properly by doing a head shot, which is apparently how you get ghouls. There's a bit of a fight between Adam and Dean, and then-

G: He gets Adam.

C: Yeah, and then he gets Adam, and then he beats his head in.

G: Shoots him.

C: He shoots him, and then he beats his head in, just over and over again, for very long amount of time.

G: There were times in the past where Dean was very gung-ho about killing monsters.

C: Over-aggressive with the final kill.

G: Like, with-

C: Tammy in 3.09?

G: There was also the- "Malleus Maleficarum." Stabbing the witch, right? Or was that a demon? Stabbing a demon over and over again. And then also, like. I think, maybe the one where he cuts the vampire's head off with a saw. He saws the head off that one vampire, yeah. And it's like, a lot of those times, it's like, 'cause there was a threat to Sam, right? And then we are able to justify this like, "Because this is someone who was threatening Sam, and so he was like, real pissed about it," etc. But here, it's like, yeah, they are threatening Sam, and they are tying Sam down with rope and duct tape and making him bleed all over the bowls. But like, also, like, Dean doesn't GAF about that. [C: Yeah.] Sam has to be like, [pained] "Dean! I'm bleeding out." for Dean to even come to his rescue. And it's just a bit odd. Like, is he mad at Adam? Is he mad at this ghoul for killing Adam? What's the situation?

C: I don't think it's that. I think it's what he said earlier, which is like, "Any like, creature that's using Dad's name to try to get to us better fucking watch out," or whatever he said earlier. I think it's just that.

G: Damn. So he just DGAF about Adam at all.

C: I mean, I don't think. Not that much.

After Dean has his fun little killfest on the ghoul!Adam body, Sam is still like tied and bleeding out so so much into the bowls. And he calls for Dean, and Dean sort of snaps out of it and helps Sam get up and give some towels for his arms. Sam says, "Thank you," and Dean says, "That's what family's for, right?" And then "Keep pressure on that" and runs off, even though, like, both of Sam's arms are bleeding! Like, in order for him to keep pressure on one of them, [both laughing] he has to [overlapping] neglect the other fucking arm! What the fuck?

G: [laughing] He just presses them together.

C: Yeah, like Wonder Woman or whatever.

G: You know that pose you do where you're cupping your face to do like, a flower pose or whatever?

C: [laughing] Oh yeah, that's what Sam's doing.

G: Like, your face is a flower? [laughing] That's what Sam's doing.

C: Yeah. Again, he would eat on Instagram.

G: He literally would.

G: We go now to like, Sam and Dean. They're in the woods, and they have built a pyre for Adam. Did they even take Kate's body out?

C: No, they were like, "Who give a fuck." I mean, I think, inside, Dean is still mourning that John and Mary, husband and wife was not the sacred forever bond that he thought it was.

G: Adam's body is there, and they're, you know, gonna burn the shit up. And Dean is saying, like, "You know. the ghoul didn't fake anything. Like, those pictures were real. Dad's journal was real. And Adam was our brother. He died like a hunter? He deserved to go out like one."

C: Yeah, by being killed by ghouls. Like, all the people in the newspapers that start your hunts are also killed by ghouls and such, and you don't do this for them.

G: [laughing] Kate literally also died like a hunter.

C: Not that like, burning a body is that like, nice, or whatever, but I guess it matters to them. Kate also died like a hunter. [G laughs] They died in the exact same way. But, you know, she was only John's slut, whereas Adam is John's son. God.

G: And Sam says, "Maybe we can bring him back. [C laughing] Get a hold of Cas, call in a favor."

C: [laughing] He's so funny! [G laughs] He's soo funny. What has Dean been telling him about Cas [G laughing] that Sam thinks that Cas would even consider doing that, honestly? That's what I want to know.

G: [laughing] The fact that the last time, Cas said-

C: The last time Sam talked to Cas was in 4.16, and he said, "Dean was punched a few times. Can you heal him?" and Cas said, "No." [laughing] But Sam's like, "No, but he'll bring Adam back from the dead for us. That's no biggie."

G: [laughing] Sam is so funny. Also, like, he must be aware that Heaven is trying to like, get them to do things and stuff. And like, calling in a favor is number one way to get Heaven to be like, "But we did this for you, and now you do this for us." And he was like, "IDGAF. I want the little brother in the backseat, bro." [C laughs] He's so funny. Dean says, "Adam is in a better place," which is so fucking funny. Adam is not-

C: Bro, you just went through 4.15.

G: Yeah. And then they burn that fucking body. And they have this final conversation, which means something, and also everything, and also nothing. But no, it does mean something to me. Dean says, "You know, I finally get why you and Dad butted heads so much. You two are practically the same person." And then he goes, "You know I worshiped the guy. I dressed like him. Acted like him. I listen to the same music. But you were more like him than I will ever be. I see that now." And Sam says, "I'll take that as a compliment." And Dean goes, "You take it any way you want."

C: And it ends on Dean's face in the fire. Boo! Boo!

G: Yeah! Like, this is a Sam-

C: This is a Sam!

G: I think this is a Sam- yeah.

G: yeah, like, this is. So

C: I feel like this is a zoom app.

C: That's why he was there during the whole ghoul talk and the fucking torture, while Dean just had brief little shots of like, kicking stained glass. Like, boo!

G: Sam supposedly had the journey of learning that John can be considered the monster in some circles, but only supposedly, [C laughs] because they don't interface with it that way. But like, you know, like, being told by someone that like, "Your dad killed an innocent guy, just for being himself."

C: [laughs] Just for having a fun, cool time!

G: Yeah. [laughs] Just by goofing around.

C: Having a laff, really. [G laughs]

G: And being like, "And he is a monster to us." And then learning what- you know. Like, he also thinks that John was an irresponsible father to Adam! And now Dean is here, being like, "You're just like him. The man that you've hated your whole life, and now, you're trying to reason out, is actually a good father. Because he failed to be a good father, through your definition, to someone else. I'm saying that you're like him." And like, we don't even get like, a good Sam reaction face. Like, what?

C: Yeah. Who give a fuck about how Dean feels about this? Like, this is about-

G: I do give a fuck.

C: I don't. [laughs] But yeah.

G: I did tear up a little bit. I think there is something to be said about how Sam is the one that is purportedly like John but hates him, and Dean is the one who wants to be like him but could never. I don't agree with those character assessments.

C: Yeah, plus John is not hated by Sam, currently.

G: Again, I don't agree with those character assessments, but I agree that Sam and Dean would think this, you know. Like, I agree that they would assess their character in this way, and that is what's interesting to me, that Dean wants to be like John. 'Cause the John in his head is like, this cool hero who always saves the day, always knows what to do, always knows- you know, all that crap. And yet the only part of John that he can successfully emulate is-

C: The aesthetic.

G: - being angry and being spiteful. I mean, every single influence in your life, you know, parents, older siblings, whatever. There will always be aspects of them that we think, "That is something I want to incorporate in my life," and then there would be aspects that are like, "And that is so horrible. I never wish to be like that." And, you know, it must be miserable to have someone that you have forced yourself to look up to your entire life, and the only parts that are present in you of them is the negative parts, the parts that you have to suppress and you have to like, convince yourself is actually not that bad. Horrible!

C: Yeah. But I don't think we see that from Dean this episode.

G: Well, I see it. [laughs]

C: He yells, like, a few times, but they never really go, "And that's like John," like, at all.

G: Yeah. But, you know. I'm talking more just of-

C: Yeah, about Dean in the future. But not Dean in this episode.

G: The all-encompassing everything.

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah. Well, what did we think about this episode? I thought it was pretty fun.

C: Yeah. I enjoyed it. This was good.

G: This is another one of those episodes where I go, like, "We must be halfway through." And then I check, and it's like, "We're about to be done." 'Cause it's like, the story is a lot more room to breathe, etc because it's less fluff. Whatever. Whatever! So yeah, Best Line/Worst Line. I think my best line is, as I've said, like, Dean's, "It's too late for us, and Dad didn't have a chance with us." Because, like, those are the ones that made me think a lot.

C: Makes sense. Ah, I don't know. I think I liked when the ghoul called John Winchester a monster. That was pretty slay.

G: I don't know about like, my worst line, although I really did not like the way Lisa, the wife of Joe, talked. I was like, "This is such a weird scene." [C: Yeah.] The emotional whatever whatever is not correct.

C: I found, you know, "I find that term racist" for like, when Sam calls them ghouls, that was pretty annoying.

G: "Well, I find that comment racist" is what I would say to that ghoul.

C: Spreadsheet.

G: Spread those sheets! So I would say for misogyny, 1?

C: There's a teeny bit with the slut comment. Yeah, that's like, a 1.

G: Racism. 0? 1.

C: For the "that's racist" line? I mean, I feel like I'm just saying slut counts as a misogyny, the, yeah.

G: Yeah, okay, let's do 1.

C: The ones are just like, "There was a moment that we went, 'Ugh!'"

G: Homophobia.

C: I don't think there was homophobia. Do you remember homophobia?

G: No. They did kill Adam, though, [C laughs] and Adam does become like, one body gay person.

C: That's true. Happy for him.

G: What a slay. What a slay way to end his story. Like, good for him.

C: Yeah. Alright, IMDb.

G: I would say this one is definitely less higher than the past couple episodes, but, in my heart, it's good. So 8 point... 8.5.

C: Okay, I was gonna go higher than that. Like, I was thinking an 8.8. Ugh, I don't like going more than 0.1 off from you, but-

G: Yeah. Well, take a chance.

C: Yeah, I'll take a chance. Let's see.

G: Okay, well, [typing] IMDb, "Jump the Shark," which is still the funniest fucking title. It's an 8.2!

C: Ouch. People hate this thing.

G: Hell yeah! You really did take the jump.

C: I jumped that shark.

G: I mean, okay, I understand, 'cause it's like, half-brother shit.

C: Were they like, "It's dumb that they're bringing in a new brother." [G laughs] They did do that in Sherlock.

G: But it's fun when they do it here! This one says, "I simply ADORE the subversion of monster and family with the ghouls here. This blurring of the line between the two categories not only works for Sam's arch but sets up the 6th season more than people realize. The film's humanistic viewpoint comes through strongest when it blurs types like this." My issue with this statement is, what do you mean by like, strongest? If you mean, like, strongest as in like, it's very present, it's like, okay, I understand. [C laughs] If it's strongest as in it's good, I'm like, "I don't think that's true!" But okay. This one is like, "I thought this was pointless back in the day, but now it's fine."

C: Cool.

G: "Ironic title. I know it was picked to prevent the backlash this episode might have had. But it's by far the less jump the shark moment, the show's ever had. It was logical to the loner hunter's life habits, and a nice way to keep viewers guessing. [C: Yeah.] The ending twist, was a nice touch and I knew something like that might happen. From my previous watch. But I didn't remember if it [C: Just like you for real.] was so early on the series." So like me. It is one of the better episodes, is the thing. [laughing] Just because Supernatural has so many bad episodes.

C: Yeah. I mean, multiple people are mentioning that the monsters are sympathetic here.

G: Yeah.

C: I think maybe- was that on purpose? Was Supernatural supposed to like, make us go like, "Yeah, they do have a point"?

G: The thing is, they do have a point, [C: Yeah.] and I feel like anybody watching the show will be like, "They do have a point."

C: Do the writers know that they have a point?

G: I mean, maybe they do. It's just that it's never a point that it's explored or followed through.

C: It's just like, "Huh. Interesting idea. Let's go back to killing indiscriminately."

G: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

G: Well, that’s it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 4, Episode 20! I forgot the title.

C: "The Rapture."

G: "The Rapture"! Leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.

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kitkatwinchester · 2 years ago

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Oh boy.

So first of all, before I get into anything...

Danny plays an instrument?? Okay now I really love him.

What instrument? Or does he sing? Singing would also be cool.

Anyways we love Danny.

Now, to the big stuff.

First of all, this is rule number one of why you never hunt alone.

Why was Tara on her own?? Where was her back-up?? WHY would you answer a 911 call to a more-or-less empty school late at night BY YOURSELF.

Whatever happened to having partners?? Huh? WHERE WAS YOUR PARTNER TARA?!

Ahhhhh. We barely knew her, but she didn't deserve that.

Okay, theories.

This is two episodes now where we've actually kind of sort of gotten to see the Darach. This time, we saw them even more clearly than we did in 3x6. That makes me think that its identity is gonna be revealed reaaaal soon, and I'm honestly lost as to who it could be?

Like, my only theories are Jennifer Blake or Marin Morrell, but I don't feel like either of those make sense. First of all, we haven't really seen Jennifer all that much, and my theory about her being the Darach was a joke at best, given that I really like her with Derek, and every time I ship a good guy with a new character, that character winds up being evil (Supernatural anyone? WEDNESDAY anyone? That one in particular broke me, but anyways...), but that's all I really have to go off of. I mean, she seems to really like Derek, and she hasn't really done anything else overly suspicious.

Ms. Morrell is more suspicious just by sheer fact that she's a Druid and clearly has fewer ethics/morals given that she's the Alpha pack's emissary. But I also really don't think she would kidnap her own brother (it's not Deaton, by the way. I'm certain of it.), and I really don't think she's lying about not being involved.

So, like, ahhhhh...I really don't know.

All of THAT said, the theory that I'm now scared of is the fact that that victim was a cop (a cop that Stiles apparently knew very well, btw, and now my poor baby has lost two people that he has decently close connections with to this Darach and that makes me wanna jump into the TV and kill this thing myself), and GUESS WHO ELSE IS A COP!

THE SHERIFF!

Oh, ya know, Stiles' dad, that he's always so worried about, when he's already lost two people he cares about, which would make his dad THREE, and these things happen in THREES, and if you think I'm just gonna ignore that potential use of the ritual, WELL I'M NOT!

So yeah I'm a little bit terrified, and they better figure this thing out so that nothing happens to Noah Stilinski before we even get to tell him what's going on or I will be throwing hands.

Anyways...

Here's an adorable gif of my poor baby who doesn't deserve any of this.

(Oh and by the way, Stiles, honey...your dad already saw you. Holding your backpack behind your head as you walk away will do nothing and you know it. XD)

Update: Chris is actually a really good dad and really cares about Allison and now I feel kinda bad that she's going behind his back so much because he just wants her to be safe.

#stiles stilinski #noah stilinski #danny māhealani #ahhhh i'm so scared for sheriff stilinski #please don't kill him #please don't hurt him #stiles does not need that in his life okay?#leave the man alone gosh darnat!!#LET MY BABY BE HAPPY #...anyways #3x9 #teen wolf #teen wolf season 3 #teen wolf spoilers

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sarah-dipitous · 2 years ago

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Hellsite Nostalgia Tour 2023 Day 67

Metamorphosis/Daleks In Manhattan

“Metamorphosis”

Would I Survive the First Five Minutes??: I would legitimately never be in this situation, so sure

ooooooo now we get to find out all the things Sam’s been up to…and so does Dean…

This is only slightly more awkward and strained than the McElroys’ “don’t do a hit” PSA. Maybe both of these are signs to separate business and family

This show’s so fucking weird. They spent the first three seasons either ignoring the existence of a god or just flat out not believing in one, but now…NOW god does not want Sam to be doing what he’s doing

Whatever is happening to this man is really difficult to take while I’m eating lunch and having the sound pumped directly into my ears. It’s like bones cracking or even breaking. Eugh

I forgot Dean didn’t know Sam knew about the demon blood……it’s getting FAR more awkward than “don’t do a hit.”

Ew. Dude, is that RAW MEAT??? I hate watching this on my lunch. It’s always the WORST episodes…

They really use the most thinly veiled metaphors to parallel whatever conflict is going on between Sam and Dean, like, one sheet of saran wrap thin

I miss the days when they’d pull off to the side of the road to have nice little heart to hearts not yelling “I’VE GOT DEMON BLOOD IN ME, DEAN!!”

How long after hearing the phrase “long pig” did Dean start to come up with alternatives like “manburger helper”?

It’s not funny to have two men in their mid to late twenties carrying makeshift flame throwers break down your door, but hearing “we’re here to save you…I guess” and “we should leave” “yeah” almost immediately after kinda is. It’s only funny because the audience knows Sam and Dean

Aw, fuck. The other hunter’s gotten involved now…noooo, is this guy’s wife pregnant??? Fuck. Fuck. Fuck…

It’s the gross, wet sounds of this dude LITERALLY feasting on this hunter for me…can’t blame the wife for running away screaming after watching that

The boys showing up 15 minutes late with Starbucks…ooooo, a floor fit for a children’s hospital (how many times will this show give me the opportunity to use that joke??)

Well, that COULD have been a nice moment for Dean to reassure Sam if Jack hadn't attacked.

I’ll have to find it (maybe) but I once read a post about how Sam’s storyline in these first seasons especially tells a very queer coded story, and this episode really really hits you in the face with it. Like, yes, bi Dean and whatever…but there IS something to the heartache that Sam feels being othered to his own family by this thing he had no control over. This wasn’t his choice. It’s really resonant when Sam makes the decision to stop using his psychic powers because they made Dean uncomfy...Dean who has used "god doesn't want you doing this" but also only very recently started MAYBE believing there's a god? Sam think Dean believes he's a freak and less than human or at least other than human, sometimes saying that he's getting closer and closer to the things they hunt instead. I just...I see it.

“Been On My Mind…”: I think I’m gonna do a countdown…if in 10 episodes’ time I haven’t had a yes? I’m discontinuing this segment

"Daleks In Manhattan"

Lazlo should watch Supernatural. Then he wouldn't have gone investigating that weird noise and not gotten turned into a strange pig hybrid

I have a terrible feeling this is one of those two part episodes based solely on the fact that I'm struggling to say anything about this one. The Doctor and Martha are in 1930 NYC, and we're getting a lot of character introductions: the people and specifically the leader of Hooverville, the workers at the Empire State Building, the theater workers (performers and backstage), but nothing's really HAPPENING yet. Though, we're about to get our first glimpse of the Daleks, so that's something at least

There are so many times I'm glad I accidentally fucked up the scheduling and missed an episode of spn because having to hear the term "long pig" all during my lunch and now having these human/pig hybrids has mad that incredibly worth it, and there have been so many other small things that have lined up

Awww baby Andrew Garfield. He's precious, lookin' out for Martha

Somehow I think this foreman trying to get the Empire State Building built for the Daleks is gonna get either killed or turned into something at least close to a Dalek...either way, it's not what he thinks he's gonna get

Nooo, poor baby Andrew Garfield.

oh. that's equal parts terrifying and terrible...the guy who was getting "rewarded" by the Daleks just got...absorbed?? by one? And the CGI!!! Simply atrocious (affectionate)!!!

The showgirl did NOT sign up for all this...well, she's signing up for it NOW, I guess

I can't take this seriously...this is one of the weirdest story lines they've done and......the costuming...again, atrocious (affectionate) The guy who got combined with a Dalek? it looks so bad...

#hellsite nostalgia tour 2023

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After sitting on it for a day, here's some overall thoughts I had about Wednesday. And this is going to have spoilers

As a whole I enjoyed the show, but to be honest I dont want to watch it again.

I think the show overall lacked emotion. When characters had big emotional moments they often felt stilted. And I dont just mean Wednesday being awkward. The writing felt too direct at a lot of points. The big emotional moments just didnt hit.

The pacing for the entire show was kind of off, and I feel like that caused a lot of the lagging emotion.

It felt like they just gave up on balancing the supernatural mystery and the school stuff. Past episode three it felt shoved into any empty space they had. Enid suffered from this a lot. Her wolf issues didnt feel fleshed out at all. It was like they took a list of important story points and shoved those in with nothing to connect them.

But the lack of emotion affected wednesday a lot. She didnt feel like she was spiral despite how much they said she was. She doesnt seem stressed or frantic at all until her confrontation with the therapist. And because she doesnt seem stressed almost killing her friends and torturing tyler feels like the show saying "this is the real wednesday, despite the last 6 episodes saying otherwise."

Overall, it felt rushed.

I liked her interactions with her family but I wish they'd given glimpses of traditional addams family bonding outside of talking about their childhood. If there had been a scene or two that read as addams family™ the rest of their relationship would of played better.

I'd rewatch season one if a second season comes out, but not otherwise.

Mystery things:

The teacher who ended up being evil felt very believably fake. I feel like everyone watching probably clocked her as off immidiently. The gifts and smiley checking in was toned down and even enough that it is easily believed as a measured act without definitly being one. I felt like her dropping the act could of been toned down a bit, but I liked it over all.

The principal being a red herring because she was an old friend of morticias who obviously didnt like her anymore was a good choice. And Morticia being completely oblivious was kind of funny.

I never thought it was the long haired guy, he never vibed that way. I thought he might know when he was first shown coming out of the shed, but after he said what actually happened I didnt suspect him again.

I stopped suspecting the principal when she was revealed to be a shapeshifter. Her saying the teacher was a normie made me positive she was involved.

I first clocked Tyler as the monster when wednesday started suspecting the therapist, and was positive when he didnt die in the gates house.

I felt like ths therapist being the villain was off because they showed her being into wierd taxidermy. And when wednesday went to confront her and I saw it was halfway through episode seven I knew she was going to die. Which is sad, I liked her.

(On people dying, the moment the mortician says hes retiring I was like awww, hes so fun tho? Because characters who are about to retire always die.)(also, the bubblegum would of been there multiple days implying the cameras are never checked to be working which is sus.)

Anyway, the reveal. THE REVEAL. "What does it feel like... to lose?" That line was the best in the show. The delivery? Immaculate. I was screaming.

I wish it had stopped there though. Or at least made him more manic, it'd fit with the cover of confronting the girlfriend who just tortured you. Everything after that felt really lame. Once the "holy shit that was perfect" feeling wore off I got kind of bored. Also the rest of the station def looked like they were in hearing distance.

#netflix wednesday #wednesday #wednesday (2022)#wednesday addams #enid wednesday

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FINISHED SEASON 16 REACTIONS:

Damn they were both actually spying on Vance NOT because of racism? And also just "we were sus of you but turns out y'all are the only good people here" is very funny.

Fornell's daughter my girl? What the fuck baby (I know the spoiler about what happens to her in season 18 and I am NOT ready actually, I like the fornell family)

It is increasingly funny that in a "blink and you'll miss it" scene of Vance deleting the picture of him and the spy who spied on him, they flash his phone and I need to grab a photo sometime except paramount plus is tricky to do that on as it gets small. BUT ANYWAY the photos you see like the default government building, a recent picture of Kayla, and then a photo of his son taken like 6 seasons ago but it's at the top of his phone's gallery implying he took the image recently.

ZIVA CONFIRMED!!!!!!

Anyway I'm so glad that Mitch Pileggi was actually a good guy because Supernatural made him a bad guy but to me he'll always be Director Skinner X-Files

McGee acting surprised by "Gibbs killed the man that shot his wife" SIR YOU KNEW THIS. YOU WERE WITH ABBY WHEN SHE DISCOVERED THIS. YOU WERE THERE WHEN THE DAUGHTER OF THE BAD GUY KIDNAPPED GIBBS AND WHEN HER BROTHER TRIED TO KILL YOU ALL. They literally TOLD YOU this McGee.

It's about time they burnt rule 10 actually. That one is broken so often, and then Gibbs also gets grumpy when you don't break it anyway.

Bishop accusing two of her coworkers of murder. She DEF worked homeland holy shit.

The ComicCon plot was great but you can't just go "Invite Torres" then "Invite Gibbs?" as your sixth invite? You bring Kaylee! SHE IS A NERD GUYS.

TRANS ACTOR JJ HAWKINS? HOLY SHIT. He was only in the show for like 5 minutes but he absolutely stole the scene he was in. Torres WISHES he had that grace.

Torres you are so lucky Jimmy saved your ass you son of a bitch, Delilah bought those tickets with her money, and she can and will have killed you if there wasn't a replacement. I get the whole "we need bribery" but you can't just give away $4500 of comic con tickets purchased by someone else.

Gibbs def needs a nap.

I appreciate them telling Torres "bro it's never your fault if you get roofied bud, don't go beating yourself up" because Torres would never be the type to blame another victim in his situation, so he needs to not blame himself.

Torres approaching his drinking problem? Realism in my show?

HHH stop making platonic friends wanna FUCK. I LIKE platonic Bishop and Torres.

Ducky as historian is a great way to keep him in the show while leaving us with majority Palmer actually. Palmer earned his place and having him play second fiddle to Ducky was starting to feel forced since Palmer has been in charge for a long while now.

The episode where Palmer deals with his father in law and talks about how he has two dads in Gibbs and Ducky? I cried like a bitch. Also his brother in law immediately knowing it was Palmer that saved him and not Ed? Classic. Palmer holds him accountable.

Anyway, Ziva CONFIRMED. I fucking adore Ziva so much.

Okay FINALLY watching seasons 16-current on NCIS.

Still in season 16 but I'm dropping some of my reactions so far.

I love that Torres and Palmer got into a fight at a wine and paint workshop, not because the guys were implying they were gay...but because they guys implying they were gay were being homophobic about it. Half expected Nick to kiss Jimmy just to piss them off.

Vance, dear, you really should vet your romantic interests better.

On Vance, glad they finally acknowledged his son? Apparently he is staying with his aunt but how long has this been happening? I honestly figured they'd killed his son off a couple seasons back, since he had this whole thing with his daughter's friend being a delinquent, but his son wasn't mentioned nor did he show up. At least they've acknowledged the boy.

ZIVA CONFIRMED?

Back to Vance but why is it with the CIA dude and now Mitch Pileggi's character (down to the southern accent he used in Supernatural) whenever there's a whole plotline that will end in Vance being hurt in some way, it reeks of racist reasons? Old white dudes in this show just HATE Vance. Hate him for better reasons, thanks.

Why do people keep putting Gibbs in charge of NCIS. You'd think by now they'd have a different senior field agent or an assistant director to step in, and not the dude who goes on cases and refuses to sign paperwork.

At this point I think Gibbs fully understands tech but refuses to acknowledge he does. Man hung up on Ducky in facetime then went "what's a facetime :3"

I love Palmer so much, he's great.

Whatever Torres and Bishop have going on? I want it. I know later they make it some romance bullshit but right now in the platonic friends era? That's great. Honestly they make great platonic friends they're more ♦ than they are ♥.

I know the next episode is gonna have Delilah, but that's seriously her only appearance this season? What the fuck honestly. I love Delilah.

It still bugs me that between seasons 14 and 15 Quinn just disappeared with a throwaway acknowledgement of "went to care for her mom" that is blink and you miss it honestly. It bugs me so much.

NCIS give me a gay character that doesn't die challenge (I miss Dorney still). Or at least acknowledge how bisexual Torres is. Man has more ex boyfriends than he has sense, and he won't admit it at all.

Still acknowledging this is in fact copaganda, but at least they show that cops suck ass and are dicks more than other copaganda shows? Though honestly it is still wild how the military cop show is one of the more liberal ones in political views, despite killing their gays. I watch it mostly because it's a comfort thing at this point.

#ncis #ncis season 16 #I will probably liveblog other seasons #i enjoy liveblogging and of my one friend who has seen ncis #i don't wanna overwhelm her #i will likely start liveblogging other things I watch too

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eisforeidolon · 2 years ago

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Fan: So we know the Carver Edlund books are in the show, I mean, obviously in the episode they were like skimming one of the books. I was curious, do you think the brothers actually read every single one to kind of find out what their brother was thinking, or did they make a pact not to read them?

Jared: Sam read them, because Sam reads and reads and reads and reads. Well, he's dead now, but [pause for reaction] - too soon? When he was alive, maybe in heaven he just [gestures] has a bunch of books, it's all Carver Edlund.

Jensen: Sam probably was like, "Dean, you gotta read this" and Dean was like, "I don't read books, books read me!" That's probably how that went. He's like, "Why would I read it, I'm living it!"

Jared: [laughs] I don't want a recap!

Jensen: [laughs] Yeah, I don't know that Dean would have read one. Although I think I've got one of the prop books -

Jared: I think I do, too. I don't know which one I have -

Jensen: Yeah, we were full kleptomaniacs on the set of Supernatural. And I can admit that now, because I have not been served legal papers and it's been years.

Jared: What's your favorite thing that you have?

Jensen: My favorite theft? [Jared: Yeah?] Well, I mean, Baby's not really a theft because that one we actually got permission. That would have been awkward. "Guys, guys! Where are they going?" It's just this [points to banner of the Impala driving away], just tail lights, "Okay, I guess we're done with the year."

Jared: We got a little gift - so outside of our own kleptos? We got little gift packages from ? and the props department. And so there were some fun things.

Jensen: I will say this is not something that I got in our little, like - listen we're just getting rid of this stuff anyway because we're scraping all the sets and WB did give a list of 'these are the things that we actually want to obtain and retain'. And there were a lot of just kind of left over things that probably didn't seem relevant or special but were kind of special to us. Or it was like, you know, a broken angel blade something like that - oh, this was broken doing this stunt, it means something to me but it may not mean something to the studio, but. I will say one of the things that I just - that found its way into my pocket, I don't know how [Jared: Accident!] was years before we ended. It was when I knew that they were going to destroy Bobby Singer's house. [Jared taps his arm and points excitedly] On his desk, on Bobby's desk was this little antique brass calendar, that was like one of those things where you roll to turn the date and the day? And I don't know why, but on set I just always was playing with that while we were setting up our scenes or - and I just thought it was the coolest little vintage calendar thing. Yeah, it went missing, I don't know where it went.

Jared: All I know is that explains why Jensen always calls, "Dude, can you believe it's 1996?" "What?"

Jensen: "It's Tuesday, December 1996!" "Bro, stop messing with Bobby's calendar."

Jared: That's really funny, man! I stole two things - uh two things went missing from Bobby Singer's place - on the last day. One was a flask, Bobby Singer's flask, and one was the little owl figurine that was probably about this big [gestures], really heavy, it's a paperweight or something? And they went missing and then Jim was like [does gruff impression] "Aw, man, I was hopin' to get that owl, I don't know what happened to it." And I was like, "shit" and so I went to my trailer and got it and was like, "Here, Jim." But I still have the flask somewhere. From post-show, I think one of the little army men from the car [Jensen: Yeah], some of the Legos, uh, Samulet. Yeah. I know there were several of each - like hotel room cards, and then I got sent, like, three of the burner phones? I was like what the fuck am I gonna do with -

Jensen: Yeah, what am I gonna do with this?

Jared: From like, circa 2005.

Jensen: I just, yeah, it was like - when they were like, "Okay this is our last day in Bobby Singer's set, we're tearing it down tomorrow" Jared and I were like [Jared mimes shoving things in various pockets] full cat burglar. Like, snuck in to the stage - we went full Sam & Dean.

Jared: Crew guys would walk by, and be like, "Hey, what's going on?" and we're like, [looks obviously guilty] "Nothing! Nothing, man, how you doin'? It's good, it's good."

Jensen: The boys are acting really cagey today, I don't know what's going on -

Jared: Like stuff rolled up in our shirts -

Jensen: I'd have taken the couch if I could have fit it in my shirt.

#nashcon 2022 #j2 gold panel #long post

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harleybeaumont · 2 years ago

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Cordonian Ghost Hunters

Episode 1 - The Decuir Hotel: New Orleans, LA

Book - TRR AU

Pairings - none so far

Synopsis - Three lifelong friends have a terrifying encounter with the paranormal that changes the course of their lives. Determined to find answers, they travel the world, investigating unexplained phenomena and documenting their findings. Drake, the unapologetic skeptic, Max the true believer, and Liam the analytical linchpin that holds the team together become the worldwide sensation known as.. The Cordonian Ghost Hunters.

A/N - This fic started with me and @angelasscribbles discussing how we wanted to write something with a ‘horror feel’ to it, and we both came up with different ideas. Go read hers, if you haven't! Thanks to Angela and @txemrn for brainstorming with me and helping me come up with ideas to get this started! And thank you Angela for literally writing the synopsis for me when I finished this fic and couldn’t get my brain to form another coherent thought. Lol

A/N 2- I plan on having several more chapters as the guys go to different haunted locations across the world. I’m open to location suggestions if you have them. I’m tagging those who are on my perma tag list and a couple others who have asked, but if anyone wants on or off the list let me know! <3

Chapter Warnings - supernatural creepiness, hauntings, language, mentions of death

Word Count - 7,300 (Sorry! This first chapter is long because it explains the backstory of how everything came to be. The next chapters won't be this long!)

Episode 1 - The Decuir Hotel: New Orleans, LA

The air was thick and damp with humidity as they stepped out of the car. The sounds of cicadas and crickets played a melody that filled the warm night air around them. South Louisiana. This was stop number three on their tour of historical locations around America.

Liam was given permission to take a break from his royal duties after he convinced his father that he needed to travel the world and “find himself.” His older brother Leo had already gone through his social season and was engaged to a gorgeous woman from Monterisso named Katalina. Liam actually liked her, and it was nice seeing his brother happy. He knew they would make a great king and queen for Cordonia someday.

Liam convinced Drake and Maxwell to travel with him, telling them they could choose the first two stops on their tour of America.

Their first stop was chosen by Maxwell- Las Vegas. The ‘entertainment capital of the world’ had proven to be just that. During their stay the guys visited several clubs, bars, casinos, shows, and even went skydiving.

The second stop was chosen by Drake - Tennessee. First they went to Nashville, so Drake could visit where his mother was born. The next stop was the Jack Daniels whiskey tasting tour, which the guys figured was the real reason Drake wanted to go to Tennessee in the first place.

Liam’s choice surprised everyone - New Orleans, Louisiana. When Maxwell and Drake asked why, he said he always wanted to visit during Mardi Gras. Fortunately for him, the guys had no idea that Mardi Gras was months away, so they didn’t suspect the real reason he wanted to go. Growing up, Liam was always interested in ghost stories and haunted houses, and the rich history in Southern Louisiana intrigued him. He loved watching documentaries about voodoo, haunted old buildings, creepy tombs and graveyards, ghosts and witchcraft. Louisiana had it all.

Liam grinned as he stepped onto the enormous wrap around porch of the three hundred year old building. “The Decuir Hotel.” He looked up at the imposing structure in awe. “This place is gorgeous, right?”

“It’s something.” Drake said, peering into a window. “I can’t believe they let you rent out this entire hotel for the night. They must think you’re a pompous ass, needing a whole hotel for yourself!” Drake chuckled, adjusting his backpack on his shoulder.

Liam laughed. “Well, they were more than happy to accommodate my request after I gave the staff compensation for missing a night of work. Not to mention paying to rent out every room.”

“Wait..” Max looked at him incredulously. “You sent all the staff home? So.. it’s just us staying here? Not another single person inside?!”

“Nope. We’re just waiting for Bastien’s guys to finish doing a sweep of the building, so we can head inside.” Liam smirked, turning back to the door.

“Why did you send all the employees home?” Drake arched an eyebrow.

Liam grinned and shrugged. “To see if it’s really haunted.”

Max and Drake both turned to Liam in surprise. “Li, you can’t be serious.”

Liam ignored Drake, running his hand across the wooden banister. “Wouldn’t that be fascinating though? This hotel is three hundred years old! Can you imagine how many people stayed here over the years?”

“I think it’s creepy.” Max couldn’t help but shiver as he stepped close behind Drake and Liam in front of the old hotel. He wasn’t sure why, but something about this place sent a chill down his spine. He couldn’t help but be curious about the amount of people who probably died here, hell, who were probably killed here. After all, certain parts of the south held a dark history of contemptible injustice and mistreatment. If there were any malevolent spirits, this is probably the place they would hang out at.

Drake clapped Maxwell on the back with a chuckle. “Dude, you don't really believe in ghosts, do you?”

Max glared at him. “Of course I believe in ghosts! And if you knew what was good for you, you would too! Haven’t you seen Poltergeist?!”

Liam gestured behind them toward the two palace guards who had ridden with them in the car. “Max, there is a guard stationed at every door, and-” he checked the text he just got from Bastien. “-they are done with their sweep and it’s completely empty. It’s safe.”

Max rolled his eyes. “Oh ya, I’m sure the fucking undead give a shit about ‘palace guards.’ Dammit Liam, get with the program! They can walk through walls! What makes you think they are going to be intimidated by our meager, mortal forms! We’re just pathetic sacks of flesh to them!”

The loud laugh that burst out of Drake made Maxwell jump in surprise. “What the actual fuck are you talking about, Beaumont?”

“I don’t know!” Max shuddered as he stepped closer to Liam. “I just want to get through this night as quickly as possible.”

Liam paused before opening the door. “You can always sleep in the car if you want.”

“Oh ya, so the Rougarou can bust out the windows and drag me into the night before devouring the flesh from my bones? No thank you.”

Liam shook his head with a smile and pushed open the heavy, ornate door.

The first thing he noticed when stepping into the grand entryway was the smell. It wasn’t a bad smell, just.. old. Slightly musty. Liam was used to being in old places. After all, he lived in a palace with literally hundreds of years of history in it, but something about this place was just different. It was like you were breathing in the life and memories of the building.

The next thing he noticed was how dark it was. Being that this hotel was built in the 1700’s, of course it originally had no electricity, but renovators had put in lights, plumbing, and (thankfully) air conditioning. Noting that they wanted to keep the historic feel of the building, each room was usually only lit by artificial candles and lanterns.

The third thing Liam noticed when they entered the foyer was the overall feeling of the building. Something that warmed and chilled him at the same time. It was quiet and empty, yet somehow it felt like the hotel was full of life. Liam couldn’t help but feel a thrill go through him, as this was the exact reason he wanted to come here in the first place. He knew the history here, although he didn’t dare mention it to Maxwell. He couldn’t wait to explore each room further.

“Your Highness.” Bastien nodded to Liam as he made his way over. “A guard will be stationed outside of your room and at each entrance throughout the night to ensure your safety.”

Liam smiled. “You know what.. That won’t be necessary.”

“But, your father insisted-”

“You can set up a perimeter outside if you want, but tonight I just want the three of us to be inside.”

Bastien opened and closed his mouth a couple times, trying to decide whether to obey Constantine or Liam in this situation. “Are you sure, sir?”

Liam clapped Bastien on the back. “It’s ok, Bas. I trust that your guys checked this place out thoroughly. It’ll be fine.”

Basien gave the orders for the guards to go outside and once the place was empty, Maxwell looked at him wide eyed. “Liam! What the hell? You said the guards were here and we were gonna be safe from ghosts!”

Drake laughed. “And you said that the guards wouldn’t help anyway. Something about them hating our fleshy sacks or something..” Drake couldn’t help but laugh harder at Maxwell’s indignant expression.

“You know how much I want to laugh at the fact that you just said ‘fleshy sacks’? But I can't! That’s how fucking creeped out I am by this place.”

“If you’re gonna bitch all night, then I’ll lock your ass in a closet.” Drake said as he tossed his bag into a corner of the foyer and plopped down in an antique chair.

“You wouldn’t dare!” Maxwell glared at Drake. “Liam, do you hear what this asshole is-” Max stopped as he realized Liam was removing several different items from his backpack and placing them on the front desk. “What's all that?”

Liam shot a quick glance to Maxwell, then continued unloading his bag. “Just some stuff I thought we could use to maximize our experience here.”

Drake made his way over and picked up what looked like a small camera. “What’s this for?”

“It’s a thermal camera.” Liam grinned. “It can detect the presence of heat energy and can measure thermal changes wherever you point it.”

Drake groaned. “Oh Li, not you too. You really believe in all this haunted shit?”

“Of course I do!” Liam pulled out three walkie talkies and digital recorders. “Get ready boys. Tonight we’re going ghost hunting.”

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“You can't be serious!” Maxwell backed away, heading toward the front door. “You know what.. I think I’ll take my chances outside with the Rougarou.”

“Go ahead.” Drake gestured to the door. “I know you’re a coward. Go sleep in the car.”

“Coward?” Maxwell glared at Drake with his hands on his hips.

Drake shrugged. “It’s ok, man. I won’t tell anyone that you practically pissed your pants as soon as we got inside.”

“I didn’t! No.. you know what? I’m not sleeping in the car while you post a pic on insta of you and Liam living it up in this hotel with the hashtag ‘max is a pussy.’ Nope. Sorry Drake, I'm staying here.”

Drake shared an amused look with Liam, who turned away to hide his laughter. They knew Max too well and that trick always worked on him. Liam handed Maxwell a walkie talkie and winked. “Ok then. Welcome to the team.”

“Right.” Maxwell took it nervously. “Well, I hardly doubt there will be any ghosts anyway with the Mardi Gras parade coming by. When does it start anyway? I thought there’d be more people outside by now.”

“Errr.. about that..”

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Liam decided to set up their ghost hunting headquarters in the grand ballroom since it was in the center of the hotel. It had been remodeled slightly, but the ornate artwork, decorations, and sparkling crystal chandelier were authentic to the original design.

“Why is it so dark in here?” Drake asked as he looked around the room. “Did you tell them to keep the lights off to make it extra creepy?”

Liam chuckled as he handed each of them a flashlight. “Something like that.”

Drake picked up several pieces of expensive looking equipment from the table. “How’d you get your old man to let you buy all this stuff? I know he’s not the type to condone ‘ghost hunting’.”

Liam smirked. “Travel expenses.”

“Right.” Drake couldn’t help but chuckle. If Liam was going to waste his fathers money on this, he was all for it. Constantine spent enough of Cordonia’s money on balls and parades and other useless bullshit to promote his image.

Maxwell sighed defeatedly, only slightly resolved to the fact that he was not going to get to party during Mardi Gras. “What does this do?” Max hesitantly held up something that looked like a walkie talkie with several small buttons on it.

“That’s what they call a ‘spirit box’. It continuously sweeps through different radio frequencies, and entities can manipulate it to talk to us. In real time!” Liam giggled with glee as he turned it on, holding it out so they could hear the radio static and white noise. “It kind of.. Gives them the energy they need to communicate. Hopefully someone will talk to us tonight! Wouldn’t that be awesome!?”

“No, it would not be awesome.” Maxwell shuddered at the thought, and picked up another device from the table. “Don’t tell me ghosts can use a digital recorder to talk to us. Bertrand uses these all the time, then gives them to me to upload to his computer. I told him he could use an app that translates voice to text, but you know he likes the sound of his own voice.”

“Oh ya.” Liam grinned. “We’re each gonna have one of these tonight. We can ask questions, and once we play back the digital recorder, we’ll see if they answered! Might need to upload them to the computer and use a program to sharpen them up or enhance the sound. Think you could do that, Max?”

“Me?” Maxwell’s eyes widened in surprise.

“Ya. You said you do it for Bert all the time.” Liam grinned broadly and clapped Maxwell on the back. “Hey, you can be our tech guy tonight!”

Despite the fear of possibly hearing a voice from ‘the beyond’, Maxwell felt a swell of pride inside that he could actually be useful for once. “O-okay. Ya. Ya, I can do that!” Maxwell grinned, nodding his head enthusiastically.

“Who’s ready to get started?!” Liam clapped his hands together in excitement and Max jumped back, startled.

“Shit, Liam.” Maxwell ran his shaking hands through his hair and sat in a chair. “If we’re doing this.. At least tell us what to expect. Like.. What kind of paranormal stuff goes on here?”

Liam sat across from Drake and Maxwell with his hands steepled, trying to look as dramatic as possible. “Let me tell you about Sally. You see, she was the daughter of the former owners of this hotel back in the 1800’s. She was very mischievous, constantly playing tricks on the other guests in the hotel. Well.. unfortunately that led to her untimely demise. She, uh-”

“Don’t.” Maxwell shook his head. “Nope, nope, nope. Don’t wanna hear about the creepy child ghost anymore. Next, please.”

Liam thumbed through some of the papers he had printed out. “Well, there have been various sightings believed to be former guests who perished in the hotel over the years. People have seen a lady in a Victorian dress pass through the halls. Um.. a man in a top hat seems to hang out around the front desk occasionally. But room 413 is the one with the most activity. A woman is said to have died in that very room, and often makes her presence known to the guests who dare to sleep there. Many have even reported finding mysterious scratch marks on their body when they awoke the next morning. It’s where we’re staying tonight.”

“Of course it is.” Maxwell stood up and made his way across the ballroom, flashlight in hand. “Can we at least get a snack in the kitchen first? I’d like to have something sweet for my last meal.”

Drake rolled his eyes and followed Max across the room, heading toward the kitchen.

“Alright, we can eat first.” Liam chuckled and grabbed his own flashlight, preparing to follow them. The horrific sound of a man’s scream coming from their direction caused his blood to run cold.

“What the hell?” Liam took off after them, sprinting across the ballroom and down the hall toward the kitchen. He froze when he saw Maxwell standing a few feet away from a small girl wearing a white dress.

“Oh my god, it’s Sally!!” Maxwell shrieked before scrambling back across the room behind Drake.

Just then, the kitchen lights flicked on and Bastien and a man entered. “I apologize if we frightened you all.” The man said with a smile. “I’m the head chef here, Maurice, and this is my daughter Amelia. When she heard there was a real prince staying here, she insisted I bring her along to meet you.”

“Holy shit.” Maxwell whispered in relief, holding his hand over his pounding heart. Drake laughed hysterically and Liam gave Maurice an apologetic smile.

“I’m sorry Maurice.” Liam nodded politely to the man and crouched down to the little girl's level. “I hope my friends didn’t scare you.” Liam stage whispered to Amelia. “The one wearing the squid shirt is a bit of a chicken.” Amelia put her hand over her mouth and giggled as she looked at Maxwell.

“It’s quite alright.” Maurice smiled. “I just wanted to let you know that the kitchen is yours for the night. In the refrigerator, I have several Louisiana dishes prepared that you may not be familiar with. But anything you want is yours - Gumbo, etouffee, jambalaya, red beans and rice. Truly, help yourself.”

“Oh my god, yes.” Drake grinned, already helping himself to the contents of the large refrigerator.

“Thank you so much, Maurice. That’s very kind of you.” Liam chuckled. “We will definitely take you up on that offer.”

Maurice bowed. “Well, we’ll get out of your hair and let you enjoy your night, Your Highness.”

“Wait.” Liam stopped the man, who was following Bastien out of the room. “How long have you been working here?”

“Hmm. I’d say over twenty years.”

Liam nodded. “And have you ever seen anything.. Uh, paranormal here?”

Maurice’s face sobered as he shared a look with his daughter. “I should say so. Just.. don’t provoke them.”

Liam felt a chill run through his body. “What?”

“I’m sorry.” Maurice chuckled. “You must think I’m talking crazy.”

Maxwell and Drake were both listening intently now as well. “No, I don’t think that at all.” Liam said. “Please tell me what you mean.”

“There are several residual spirits here. They’re basically just stuck in time.. Going through the motions day after day, unaware of life carrying on around them.” Maurice lowered his voice, leaning closer to Liam. “And there are some.. Who are very much aware. Some who.. Play tricks, or make their presence known in other ways.”

“Like S-sally?” Maxwell’s voice trembled and he clung to Drake’s bicep tightly.

“Yes. However, she is one of the friendly ones.”

“And some are..” Maxwell gulped. “Unfriendly?”

Maurice forced a smile. “Like I said.. Just.. don’t provoke them and you’ll be fine.” With that, he took his daughter’s hand and followed Bastien out of the room and into the dark hallway. Liam, Drake, and Max stood unmoving in the empty kitchen, as they heard the men's footsteps grow fainter, then the sound of the main doors opening, closing, and locking once again.

“Ok, I changed my mind.” Max wrapped his arms around himself, rubbing them vigorously as if trying to get warm. “I’m not hungry. Definitely lost my appetite.”

“Well I’m not letting this go to waste.” Drake continued piling food onto a plate and put it in the microwave. “You know they’re just telling you what you want to hear. Trying to play into the whole ‘haunted hotel’ thing.”

Liam was still standing in place, while Maurice’s words echoed in his head. ‘Don't provoke them.’ When he bought all the ghost hunting equipment, he had just planned on talking to them.. That wasn’t provoking was it? Nah, he thought. “Drake, you can't seriously think that all the people who have had ghost encounters here and seen the same things are lying. And Maurice has been here for over twenty years! I think he’s telling the truth.”

Drake blew on a spoonful of steaming hot jambalaya. “Naw, man. That’s because you always wanna see the best in everyone. I’m telling you.. It’s all a bit.” Drake took a bite and closed his eyes, savoring the spicy dish. “Oh my god, you have to try this.”

Liam and Max fixed themselves a plate and the three friends sat at a small table in the kitchen discussing the food. Maxwell even seemed to start relaxing as they laughed and joked together. Unfortunately, it didn’t last long, and a loud clang echoing from the direction of the ballroom halted their conversation.

The guys looked toward the direction of the sound and then back at each other. Liam wiped his mouth and stood up, making his way toward the door.

“Liam!” Max grabbed his arm to stop his friend. “Don’t! It’s the ghosts! They want us gone!” Max looked frantically around the room, suddenly feeling like there was someone watching him that he couldn’t see.

Drake sighed. “No. It’s probably Bastien again. You gotta tell him to stop letting people in here or Beaumont is gonna shit himself.”

Drake clicked on his flashlight and pushed past Liam, heading down the hall toward the ballroom. There were only a few dim candelabras on the wall lighting his way, and Drake couldn’t help but feel a little creeped out by how dark it was. Not that he thought there were ghosts. No, Drake Walker did not believe in ghosts.. However, the darkness had him feeling like he was not in control of the situation. “Huh.” Drake stopped and furrowed his brow once he reached the table with their equipment. “Li, you must have left the spirit box thingy on the edge of the table.” He stooped down to pick it up.

“No.” Liam shook his head softly. “It was in the middle of the table, Drake.”

Drake rolled his eyes. “Or so you think.”

Liam felt chills go down his spine. He knew he put the spirit box directly in the center of the table. He took it from Drake and clicked it on. The static and random radio noise rang out, echoing through the ballroom. They saw a flashlight streaming into the room as Maxwell entered hurriedly.

Suddenly the spirit box let out a noise that sounded like different syllables being sounded out. Liam quickly gave Max a camera to start filming, while he held the spirit box out in front of him. “Um.. is, uh.. Anyone in here with us?”

The radio crackling stopped for a moment and the three of them heard a distinct “yes.”

Liam’s entire body erupted in goosebumps and he nearly dropped the spirit box in shock. Max was trembling and Drake was looking around wide eyed. Liam summoned all his courage and spoke again. “Um.. do you want to tell us your name?”

Again, static and crackling with just barely a hint of different syllables.

Liam waited with bated breath, but there was nothing. After five more minutes, he sat the spirit box back on the table. “Can you believe that?!” He grinned at Max and Drake.

Drake rolled his eyes. “That thing probably just picked up some trucker’s radio frequency or something.”

Liam and Max both started talking animatedly.

“No way!

It was definitely someone trying to contact us!”

Max shivered. “Or someone trying to tell us to get out!”

“There is a logical explanation for everything!” Drake raised his voice to talk over them.

“John.”

The men halted their conversation and spun back around to the noise that had come from the spirit box. Liam gulped and spoke to the dark, empty room in front of him, “W-what did you say?”

Once again the static crackled until a distorted, faint, male voice said, “John.”

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After another hour of Liam trying to speak to ‘John’ and Maxwell trying not to cry, they decided to move on to a different room. Liam gave Drake the thermal camera, and he and Maxwell each took a night vision camera of their own.

Liam flipped the camera around to show his face and started talking into it. “Ok, so far we have footage of an EVP from a man named ‘John’-”

Drake cut him off with a smirk. “Unless Max forgot to hit record, or his hands shook so much the camera broke.”

“Hush.” Liam shot Drake a warning look before speaking to the camera again. “Now we're making our way to the front desk where people often see a man with a top hat.”

“I fucking hate this.” Max whispered as they made their way down a long hallway, and Liam turned the camera to focus on Maxwell.

“You’re on camera, Max.” Liam grinned. “Say hi!”

“Ya, hi everyone. Look, if you find my body in the morning, I need to make sure my conscience is clear so that I can move on to the afterlife. Tell Bertrand that a few years ago, I borrowed his toothbrush to get the gunk out of his watch.”

“What?” Drake’s face wrinkled in disgust. “Why would you do that?”

“I had to borrow Bert’s watch one time to impress a date, and by the end of the night we ended up wrestling in the mud. I took off my clothes but forgot about the watch, so of course it got dirty!”

“Mud wrestling? Who the hell did you go mud wrestling with? Surely not a noble!”

“Oh you’d be surprised.”

“Who was it!? Oh my god, don’t tell me it was-” Drake stopped himself. “You know what, I don’t wanna know.”

Maxwell sighed. “So anyway, I had to clean the dried dirt and whatever else out of the watch and I wasn't about to use my own toothbrush, because eww!”

Drake rubbed a hand down his face in exasperation. “Why didn’t you just get a new toothbrush to clean it? Surely there were extras in your house? Or why didn’t you use literally anything else to clean it besides your brother’s fucking toothbrush!?”

“Drake, if I knew the answer to that question, I wouldn’t have done it in the first place!”

“Shut up, both of you.” Liam scolded them quietly, once they reached the lobby where the front desk was located. “Drake, turn on the thermal camera and look around.”

“Yes sir.” Drake mocked and fiddled with the camera until it was turned on.

“Let me know if you see anything.” Liam whispered.

Drake sighed and scanned the room, turning in a slow circle. He paused for a moment, and looked up from the camera, then back at it again. “Liam, what’s this purplish blue spot?” He asked in confusion.

Liam ran over to Drake and looked down at the camera where a tall form, resembling a human, appeared unmoving across the room. “That means there's something cold over there.” Liam whispered while chills once again ran down his spine.

Drake spoke quietly, desperately trying to keep a level head. “That must be like.. From the AC or something, right?”

Max scurried behind the two of them, glancing down at the thermal camera and wishing he hadn’t. “Oh shit. It’s gotta be the top hat guy. Oh shit, oh shit.”

Liam aimed his camera down at the thermal camera screen, then back up to the empty spot across the room. When he looked back down at the thermal camera, the image was gone. “Oh my god.” He whispered.

“Maybe.. Uh.” Drake stammered. “Maybe the AC shut off and that’s why it’s gone.”

Liam and Max both gave him a deadpan stare, and Drake looked away uncomfortably.

Liam grinned as a thrill ran through his body, then turned the camera to face himself once again. “So that’s TWO different paranormal encounters we’ve had so far in just a matter of hours! Agh, I can't wait to get to our room and communicate with the spirits in there!”

“Wait, what?!” Max whirled around to face his friend. “Maurice said don’t provoke them!”

“I'm not going to provoke them! Just.. talk to them a little. And see if they want to talk back.”

Drake remained silent as he followed the two of them up the stairs, still holding the thermal camera out in front of him, scanning as he walked. Once they reached the fourth floor, they made their way down the hallway, pausing at door number 413.

Liam entered first with his camera on night vision, scanning the room slowly. “Drake, you got anything on the thermal?”

Drake checked the room and shook his head. Liam flipped on the lights and saw that their bags had already been brought up for them. He dropped down on the bed. “Well it’s 2 am, we can go around the hotel with the spirit box and digital recorders, or stay in here and see if we get anything. What do you guys wanna do?”

“Sleep.” Drake said with a yawn.

“You can’t be serious!” Liam looked at him in dismay. “We’re not going to sleep yet! We have a whole haunted hotel to ourselves for the night, we have to make the most out of it!”

“Look, I’m tired as shit from all the traveling we’ve done lately. And I don’t want to stay up all night trying to talk to or video things that aren't there!”

“Fine! Go!” Liam waved him away. “But you can stay in another room. I have work to do.”

Drake rolled his eyes and grabbed his bag off the floor, slinging it over his shoulder. “I didn’t want to sleep in that little bed with the two of you anyway!”

Liam gave Drake the master keycard and he made his way a few doors down, opening a room for himself.

Liam lay back on the bed and sighed in exasperation. Why was Drake always so difficult? “Well Max, I guess it’s just the two of us.”

“I never thought I'd say this but.. I’m kinda with Drake.”

Liam bolted upright. “What?!”

“Not that I don’t believe in ghosts.. I’ve just kinda had my fill. I’d rather stay in a room that’s not haunted and get some sleep.”

“Max, not you too!”

“Sorry..” Maxwell gave him an apologetic glance before heading out and down the hallway to get the keycard from Drake. “I’ll take the room next to yours, ok Liam? Well.. maybe not right next to yours in case the ghost forgets which room is theirs and accidentally go into mine. I’ll be a couple doors down and across the hall.”

“Fine.” Liam waved him away with a sigh. He set up a camera on a tripod in the corner of the room and turned on the digital recorder. “Guess I’m doing this on my own.”

That night, Maxwell and Drake both lay in bed in different rooms of the Decuir Hotel preparing for a good night's sleep. Unfortunately, that wasn’t in the cards.

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Drake

After a long shower, Drake pulled on a tshirt and sweatpants, brushed his teeth, and climbed into the plush, queen sized bed. It was already 3 am, and he was exhausted. Tonight had been a ridiculous waste of time. Liam seemed to enjoy it, and Drake enjoyed laughing at Maxwell, but all this ghost and haunted business was just absurd. There was a logical explanation for everything. Everything! Sure the voice in the ballroom was.. weird. And the cold ‘figure’ across the room in the lobby was.. unusual, but that didn’t mean it was anything that couldn’t be explained. Drake pulled the blanket up to his chin and closed his eyes.

He lay in bed trying to relax, hoping that he could fall asleep, when a rush of cold air blew across his cheek. He opened his eyes and touched his face. Must be the air conditioner. Yep, that’s all. He rolled over on his side in the pitch black room, facing the door to the hallway. A faint but firm pressure on his leg caused him to bolt upright and kick off the blankets, certain that a rat or something was crawling on the bed. He threw on the lights and searched the entire room, but found nothing. Drake couldn’t help but feel a chill down his spine, but he reprimanded himself. He was just being stupid. Maxwell and Liam must have gotten to him. The room was quiet, the only sound coming from the occasional car driving past from the street below. A soft buzz filled his ears and the bedroom lights flickered slightly.

“What the fuck..” Drake reached up and tapped the lightbulb a few times and it stopped. He chuckled to himself. “See, theres a reasonable explanation for everything.”

“Drake.”

A blast of cold air against the back of his neck and the sound of his name uttered in an echoing whisper, caused him to dash across the room. He fumbled for the thermal camera that was on the dresser and clicked it on, pointing it to where he had just been standing. His breathing was erratic as he watched a cold figure move across the room and disappear completely.

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Maxwell

The first thing Maxwell did when he entered his room was flip on every light: the bedroom, all the lamps, bathroom, and even the closet. Next was the television. He turned on a rerun of SNL so that he could lighten his mood and fill the room with some kind of happiness to cover the fact that everywhere in this hotel felt dark and creepy. He realized he still had the camera Liam had given him, and he turned the screen toward him and pushed record. “So, it is now exactly 3 am, aka the witching hour. I am officially resigning from this ghost hunting stuff that Liam was so kind to spring on me under the pretense of being able to party my ass off at Mardi Gras!” He shook his head in mock offense, speaking to the camera with a grin. “Thanks a lot, Liam! I could have tons of plastic beads around my neck right now, but noooo! I’m in the fucking Stanley hotel, feeling like any minute, someone is going to yell ‘REDRUM’ from out in the hallway! Like seriously-”

A noise from the hallway stopped him, and Max turned toward the door with a jerk.

He crawled to the edge of the bed slowly, trying not to make a sound as he listened intently. A distant childlike laugh from the other side of his door left his body frozen in terror. “What the-” Maxwell whispered and remembering he still had the camera in his hands, aimed it toward the door to the hallway. He muted the tv and climbed out of bed, nervously making his way across the room toward the door. Suddenly, he heard the heavy thumping of someone running down the hallway, and the jovial childlike laughter filled his ears once again.

Maxwell’s body was flooded with adrenaline and before he realized what he was doing, he threw open the door and stuck his head out into the hallway. Instead of seeing a child, he caught a quick glimpse of a man in the distance with brown hair turning the corner at the far end of the hallway. “Damn it, Drake! Fuck you, that’s not funny!”

Max went back inside his room and slammed the door closed in frustration. He tossed the camera onto the bed and stalked into the bathroom to wash his face. As he looked in the mirror, he heard the laughter once again outside of his door. He shook his head and yelled out, “I never knew you could make your voice that high pitched, Walker. Fuck off!”

Instead of another laugh, this time there was a knock at the door. Followed by another, louder series of knocks, that became more insistent. Max sighed and threw the door open. “Yes, Dra-”

No one.

Max peeked his head out but once again the long hallway was empty and completely silent. Then the heavy thumping of feet running across the floor echoed through the hallway, growing louder and louder as they seemed to get closer to his room. Max dashed back inside and slammed the door behind him, locking it and crawling under the blankets trembling as he pulled out his phone to call Liam. No signal. Of course.

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Liam

With his friends abandoning him, Liam was determined to get more hard evidence by himself. He sat on the bed with a camera on a tripod across the room facing him, and the spirit box on the dresser beside him. “Ok.” He clapped his hands together. “Let’s see how haunted this room really is.”

Liam turned off the lights and closed his eyes. “Is there anyone here with me?”

Silence.

He chewed the inside of his cheek as he thought. “I know you’re here. Come talk to me.”

Silence.

Liam sighed. He wanted more evidence. No, he needed more evidence. He needed to show Drake and Max what they missed out on by not staying. Don’t provoke them. Nah, he wasn’t going to provoke them.. Just tease them a little to get them to respond. He took a deep breath to steady his nerves and grabbed the digital recorder, pressing record. If the spirit box wasn’t picking anything up, maybe the digital recorder would show something when they reviewed it later. He checked the clock on the bedside table. 2:59 am.

“Come on, talk to me. Show yourself! I want to show my friends that you’re real.” Liam knew Max would hate him for saying this, but he needed results. “If you won’t talk to me, go talk to them! They’re just a few doors away. They’d love to meet you.”

Silence.

The spirit box still only crackled with the same old static, and not a single blip. “What, are you afraid of me?!” Liam raised his voice, trying to bait someone into responding. He decided to channel his inner Olivia.. If that didn’t work, he didn’t know what would. “Wow.. I thought the spirits here would be more impressive, but you are pathetic! This has really been a waste of my time.”

Liam waited for what seemed like an eternity, listening intently.

The spirit box made a few incoherent noises that sent shivers down his spine. Someone took the bait.

A robotic sounding female voice manifested over the static. “No.”

Liam’s breath quickened and his heart was beating a mile a minute. “No? What do you mean no? No, you don’t want to talk to me?”

The spirit box crackled again. “Go.”

Liam had goosebumps on top of his goosebumps. He tried to speak, but his voice cracked and his throat was dry. “A-are you telling me to go, or to not go?”

Silence.

Liam furrowed his brow, trying to make sense of this. Maybe Drake was right. Maybe this was just picking up someone's radio frequency or something. He turned on the lights and searched through his backpack for the thermal camera, then remembered Drake had it. Liam reached out for the doorknob when suddenly a stinging pain radiated down his forearms and the spirit box crackled with the same distorted female voice.

“Stay.”

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“Never again!” Maxwell shook his head as he made his way out of the hotel and onto the sidewalk, where the sun shone brightly. “God, I can’t wait to get out of here and get back to my normal, boring, unhaunted home!”

Drake hadn’t spoken a word all morning, but followed behind Max. “Ya, I’m ready to get home too.”

Maxwell quirked an eyebrow. “Oh really?! Mr. I-don't-believe-in-ghosts! Something happened to you too last night, didn’t it?”

“Nah. I slept like a baby.” Drake looked away, trying to seem nonchalant. There was no way in hell he was going to speak a word about what happened in his room last night. He wasn’t even sure what had happened. “I just miss my whiskey cellar.”

“Of course.” Max chuckled as he sat his bag down on a bench on the street. The city was alive again and people hurried past on their way to work or wherever their busy lives took them. Faint jazz music poured out of a nearby cafe where patrons enjoyed coffee and beignets. A souvenir shop across the street with a display window full of alligator heads and tie dye t-shirts, flipped their sign to ‘open’. A man and woman busking outside of a nearby library sang zydeco music while playing the accordion.

Liam shook the hotel manager’s hand, thanking him, before following his friends out to the street. “Well, that was an experience we’ll never forget.”

Maxwell shuddered. “But my therapist will be working overtime to try and remedy that.”

They climbed into the back of the limo and Max checked his Instagram account. “Guys, oh my god.”

“What’s up?” Liam leaned over to view Maxwell’s phone.

“I put some of the footage on Instagram early this morning, because God knows I wasn’t sleeping. Hell, I may never sleep again.” Maxwell shook his head to clear the memories from the night before. “But anyway.. I uploaded some of the footage, and people are loving it!”

Drake scoffed. “Yes I’m sure dozens of people around Cordonia have liked it.”

“Try 3.3 million people around the world in the last 2 hours.” Max smirked, holding it out for Drake to see. “They’re calling us the Cordonian ghost hunters.”

Liam chuckled. “That’s cute.”

Maxwell scrolled through thousands of comments, in awe. “Guys.. we’re famous!”

Drake rolled his eyes, taking a bite of a croissant that Bastien had picked up for them that morning. “You know Liam is literally a prince. He doesn’t need this to make him famous.”

Maxwell grinned as he read. “Oh my god, Drake, you're famous! Listen to this. ‘Drake Walker is so hot! Like, can I die and come back as a ghost so I can haunt him?’”

Drake blushed and snatched the phone. “It doesn’t say that!”

“Does too!” Max grabbed the phone back, and soon they were all laughing and smiling at the comments.

“This was fun.” Liam grinned at his friends as they made their way down the road toward the airport, preparing to return to Cordonia.

“I mean..” Drake shrugged.

Max smiled. “If you overlook the paralyzing terror and traumatizing memories that will haunt me for the rest of my life.. Then ya, it was fun!”

Liam couldn’t stop the smile from spreading across his face as an idea brewed in his head. “What if.. We became the Cordonian ghost hunters? Like, for real.”

Drake and Max looked at Liam and back at each other. Liam spoke up again. “We could travel all around the world. People could send us recommendations for different haunted places and we could stay there and film it.”

“Seriously?” Drake arched an eyebrow and smirked. “This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you don’t want to go back home and start training for a spot on the council, would it?”

Liam feigned offense. “Of course not!”

Max continued to scroll through his phone in awe. “We could make our own insta page for it! Ahh! Guys, let’s do it!”

“Really?!” Drake asked in disbelief. “You were scared shitless back there! You want to go to more ‘haunted’ places and do that all over again?”

“Not really!” Max shrugged. “But come on, we’re badass ghost hunters! How fucking cool is that?”

Liam laughed and the two of them stared at Drake hopefully. After a moment he threw his hands up and sighed. “Fine. Fine, let’s do it.”

“Yes!” Max began shimmying in his seat excitedly.

Liam knocked on the privacy window between the front and back seats, and Bastien rolled it down. “Bastien, change of plans. We’re not going back to Cordonia. We’re going to hunt more ghosts.”

“Sir?” Bastien looked at Liam incredulously.

Drake chuckled. “Ya, Bas, just don’t let any more random people into the hotel in the middle of the night and scare Max to death again.”

“I'm confused.” Bastien furrowed his brow as he looked between the three friends curiously. “Let random people into the hotel?”

“He means the chef and his daughter.” Max said as he chewed a croissant. “Which by the way, did he make these? They're freaking delicious!”

Bastien still looked utterly lost. “I didn’t let anyone into the hotel last night. Liam, you told me that no one was to enter, so not a soul passed through those doors until morning. Not even me.”

The three friends stared at each other in horror, as they made their way through the busy streets in South Louisiana. The air was thick and damp with humidity and the cicadas and crickets played a melody that filled the warm air.

Max took a deep breath and added a comment to the page. “Where should we go next?”

#the cordonian ghost hunters #trr fanfic #trr #the royal romance #the royal romance fanfic #maxwell beaumont #liam rys #drake walker #ghost hunting #cfwc #cfwc for the boys

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firegiftlouis · 2 years ago

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Yeah that guy ain’t even taste good, poor Louis I would’ve treated you right 😤.

You ever traumatize a milk man during your walk of shame? Lol

I’m sorry but the SUN CAN FUCKING KILL YOU NOW is probably one of the first things I’d lead with Lestat just saying 🙄.

“You’ve had a long life” hello?? He’s younger than you were when you were turned. Confirmation that Lestat is one of those people that act like your life ends by the time you reach 25 😂. Or maybe that was a long life for his century in fairness? 🤔 don’t know what the life span was back then but…

Ok just checked and the life expectancy back then was like 30 by the end of the 1700’s which is roughly around the time Lestat got turned (1794) and was 37 by 1810 so Lestat is showing his age here but otherwise I guess that line is understandable….with his old ass 😂

“White master, Black student but equal in the quiet dark” lol get his ass Danny, point out the glaringly obvious power imbalance early💕

Louis looks so cute eating that fox im sorry. But also just noticed that his hand is still burnt from earlier in the morning which is interesting to note. I think Louis heals slower than he should be cause of his very limited diet of human blood. I don’t know how much Blood a vampire needs eat to be satisfied but I think it’s safe to say Louis is probably consuming less than that.

“I did not readily take to killing” yeah I bet, your first kill was so unsexy 😭. Also he’s apparently had nightmares about it which is interesting.

Louis isn’t surprised at all that Finn wants to steal from him like I said in the last episode.

Interesting that reading minds is described as just another sound the organs make. Also Louis seems to take exception to the idea that humans only think about 3 things at any given moment, I wonder if this comes from the complex social games he had to play all of his life? And when Lestat says he can’t read Louis’ mind any more and Louis says “just like the meat” it’s like he’s saying, so we’re not that much different from them after all.

Ok finally a first (rough) date! Mama Du Lac says Louis hasn’t seen them in “half a season”. This looks like some kind of Christmas party so assuming that is the case it’s only been a month or two since Louis was turned, and since the funeral.

Also Mama Du Lac seems to be surprised Louis knew exactly what she was thinking about the glasses. Also “I could tell by the look on your face” explaining how he knew Grace is pregnant like lol Louis you aren’t hiding your new supernatural powers very well sir 😂

I miss his and Grace’s relationship so much 😭

“Call the balconies fire escapes” ok love a loop hole Louis, also already displaying how his words are how he gets around most situations.

Lol what is Daniel writing and underlining on his note pad during Louis’ “and then I killed him” speech 😂. He’s really giving therapist right here, be careful Danny I’m a firm believer Louis ate the last one 😂.

“Yes let’s have this conversation again” clearly y’all needed to have this convo a couple of times Lestat because it clearly didn’t stick lol 🙄

Louis in his girl boss era, love to see it. Also I love Bricktop’s outfit there 💕

Started paying the staff and band better, that’s nice lol it is interesting to note that the shame of being a pimp seems to have dissipated the moment he could make it as classy as he possibly could (the azalea was everything he always wanted). It’s like he’s saying sure it’s still exploitation but at least he made it far more palatable lol. And in a way I feel like a lot of people think like this growing up in capitalism but let me not go on a rant lol. Imma just say capitalism is the real vampire 😂.

Also he paid back Lestat every cent and made a point of mentioning this despite claiming it was a “pointless point of pride”, it’s like he’s trying his best to convince himself they’re equals despite needing his signature to buy the saloon in the first place.

Ok another date: Louis says he made a “mountain of money” from 1812 to 1817. So it looks like Louis took over the the FairPlay and turned it into the Azalea in 1812. We know next episode is 1817.

Ok so Grace already had the twins (that Louis haven’t even met yet) and it’s been long enough that she’s had the nephew by now too. This time frame is pretty vague unfortunately since we aren’t getting exact dates at this point, but it’s at minimum 1812 or later.

Before leaving Grace picked up a stack of money so I looks like Louis is still giving them a decent amount of cash still.

Ok so at this point the twins are also still babies which means that Benny and the twins must be a year or so apart at most. So maybe it’s still 1812 or maybe 1813 at the latest?

Louis’ last kill was in the year 2000, and thus raises the question what the hell happened with that kill in particular that he decided to stop killing people for at least 22 years? Hope we find out next season 👀.

Also for the record I don’t think Louis ate the baby but I don’t feel like expanding on that right now lol 🤭

Louis is now strong enough to hear the thoughts of other vampires from “1000s of miles away” and yet his his hand still hasn’t healed yet? 👀 how long is the healing factor of a vampire anyways?

Now I might be reading too into these lines but when Louis mentions the “meth addicted son of a coal miner from West Virginia” was that a reference to Daniel’s past? He definitely seems to get on the defensive when Louis says that. I don’t know if we know where Daniel is from exactly but it sounds like that might be his back story? Based on his reaction by bringing the baby up again (Provocation being one of his main tools/defense mechanisms).

And the “Arab youth whose family was wiped clean by a western drone” is that supposed to be Rashid’s backstory that the two of them cooked up? Again might be reading too into these lines but these are very specific backstories Louis just brought up in response to the type of people who would want to live forever and willingly choose vampirism.

All that moaning Louis is doing when “sucking Damek off” lol slut 💕

Ok so far Louis had less than a pint of AB blood, a fox, and he fed off of Damek. I did some research and assuming Daniel is right about his rough estimate of Damek’s weight (200 pounds) Louis could safely drink at maximum 228ml of blood or 0.42 pints of blood. Looks like he drank a little more than he should have because Damek passes out right after, which can happen if someone looses blood too quickly, so let’s assume it was at least half a pint of blood straight from Damek.

So he’s had a little over a pint of blood between Damek and the blood bag from earlier so far and some animal blood from the Fox which we all know isn’t sufficiently nourishing enough for vampires. I don’t know exactly how much blood vampires need to comfortably function but I imagine it’s more than a pint lol. Especially since humans can have 1.2 to 1.5 gallons of blood in them depending on weight.

Also Louis is already “skipping meals” according to Lestat and this is literally their honeymoon phase 😭. What is going ON Louis???

Louis wants to make his own family maybe as a way to replace the family he currently has since he’s only growing more and more distant from them. We can see both from episode 1 and 2 family is very important to Louis.

The way Lestat says “I’m your family Louis” 😭 my worstie can have a bit of sympathy right here, as a treat 💕

“You should just throw me in the incinerator and make another one” lol a bit melodramatic bestie 💕

The nice music playing over the dialogue does a great job of helping you miss the line about how Lestat enjoyed it when Louis fought back, like fight back against WHAT? This is literally supposed to be the honey moon years, hello???

So at this point Louis and Lestat have been together for a few years now and up until the Opera Louis has no idea how many other vampires might be out there and said he and Lestat “can’t be the only ones”. Meaning that he was under the impression, at least briefly that that might very well be the case.

Louis really seems to like the idea that even Lestat as detached as he tries to act about humans still had his human attachments, like his love of music and those who create it. And how it separates man from food (despite saying otherwise next episode).

“To be kind, he did not live in the soprano’s vocal stratosphere.” Lmaooo Louis that’s you being kind?? 😂 Go off snob, love to see it 💕

“Road side gas stations” “Witless swamp dwellers” these lines are so bitchy, love it.

Ok hang on we just got another rough date! Louis says at this point he’s been Lestat’s pupil for 6 years now. Which means it’s 1816 by now!

First time we see Louis with a book, yay!

“You don’t have to humiliate him” I find Louis’ logic very interesting and I think it harkens back to his business as a brothel owner. Like yeah use women’s bodies, many of whom are Black to make a profit but at least pay them well, and even provide some of them with upward mobility. Sure we can kill the tenor but we don’t have to humiliate him before doing so. Provide drugs to those who are addicted so you can drink their Blood and feel those drugs yourself, sure you’re enabling an addiction but at least the needles are clean and the drugs are high quality. Do bad thing, BUT do it in the least bad way possible? Lol Louis your morals are quite gray to say the least 😂

I really like Sam’s delivery of the “kill them swiftly” scene.

Lestat’s pupils are so blown out here and I can’t blame him, Louis looks extra pretty here 😍

Also Louis not wanting to disappoint Lestat at this point 😭 and then calling himself a botched vampire.

There’s something weirdly sweet about using this specific desert because he read about it in Daniel’s memoir.

So he proposed to his first wife “after getting his shit together” no exact date or anything yet but good to know. Also her name was Alice.

Alright and that’s the end of this episode, I think was surprised how little Lestat was in this episode I don’t know why but it felt like he was there more? I mean he was there but I thought he was more prominent? I don’t know what I’m saying lol. Also just realized the sailor guy is called Jacked Sailor in the credits 😂.

I like the moment at the end with Daniel and Louis, their chemistry really shined through this episode I think.

Ok starting the second episode today I’m fucking tired and have no idea if I can get through the third today as well but we’ll see 😭

#renewing my fandom license #season 1 #episode 2

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low-budget-korra · 2 years ago

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Comments on The Boys season 3

I should be able to do a comment for each episode but I just couldn't stop watching so here it's my thoughts on the characters this season and a few other things.

Before I start I just wanna say how much I like the fact that The Boys characters are complex and just feel real for the most part.

Butcher

He is a asshole since his first appearance, so watching him go even worse because of the V wasn't that surprising but watching him become that asshole in episode seven, hits different. We already knew what happened but watching it happening and the impact of Butcher realizing he basically became his father, that's heavy.

Hughie

I dislike him for like 90% of the season. What's the problem with Annie being the powerful one? He was insecure about this girlfriend power and influence. That's a red flag.

And just to compare. Frenchie never felt like that with Kimiko, he always wanted to protect her but he never go that far, and never had a problem with her saving his ass.

At least at the end he seemed happy seeing Annie all powerfull against Soldier Boy

Homelander

What I can say about Homelander? What a terrifying, crazy, deep and charismatic villain. It's so non fair that Anthony Starr didn't receive a nomination for his role this season.

That last scene was scary because we know damn well that, bring to our world, if some politician or celebs blows someone's head like that in front of his crow, he would be praise like that.

Frenchie and Kimiko

Their arc was more distant e from the main plot of the season but I really like because it actually develop both of their characters. By the end we saw Frenchie standing up against Butcher and Kimiko accepting her powers. And they are the sweetest, the care and mutual respect they have for each other are goals

Soldier Boy

I def wasn't expecting him to have the role he had. What a absolut asshole, he make Butcher look like the sweetest guy in the show.

One detail that I think adds a lot into his character is his PTSD, which means that he did felt all the experiments that the russians was doing on him which is awful. And in a way Homelander, his son, is a update of him because he is just as powerful but also can't feel pain (not that I remember at least)

Jensen Ackles did a amazing job. The guy spend 84years in Supernatural and not even for once I saw Dean Winchester in his Soldier Boy

MM and Annie

Those two, Frenchie and Kimiko are the nicest people in this show. Not much to say, both of them being the moral compass of the group.

Annie goes through hell this season, this "wherever it takes" bullshit always goes too far, I'm happy that she ended the season okay.

MM having his moment of justice and bring accepted by this daughter was so nice to see.

Honorable Mentions

- I didn't expect Noir to die.

-Newman is not a villain, she just wants to stay alive and keep her daughter safe. Just like most of the characters this season, she just wants to survive Homelander madness and evilness. Hope they don't murder her next season

-Poor Ryan. Butcher was a asshole with him, Homelander wasn't and now the kid has the worst role model by his side. Don't shit Ryan, what would you choose, a guy that blames you for the dead of your mother or the one that understand that was a accident?

Ryan siding with Homelander was Butcher's fault.

-I still in shock that The Boys give Maeve an (until now) happy ending with Elena. The fucking Boys. And the fact that she face Homelander as a equal match, what a queen

- A-Train and The Deep, two desperate for Homelander's attention even tho Homelander despise them. The only "win" moment for A-Train was when she murder that racist fuck.

-Im glad that Ashley did something human at the end, coving up for Maeve's death angle.

-Herogasm

#the boys #the boys season 3 #homelander #soldier boy #Hughie #starlight #annie january #kimiko #Frenchie #MM #victoria newman #Anthony Starr #jensen ackles #a train #the deep #ashley #comments on #queen maeve #william butcher

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If I Fell For You (Part 3) - A Moment

Summary: Jensen is away from home for a few days but isn’t having the easiest time being away from the kids for the first time since the accident. When he returns home, he has a gala to attend on Saturday night but a kiss on the cheek and slip of the tongue will snowball into the reader and Jensen sharing a moment...

Masterlist

Pairing: Jensen x nanny!reader

Word Count: 6,100ish

Warnings: language, death of a spouse, death of a parent, anxiety, self-worth problems, referenced past harassment

A/N: I love this part so much for so many reasons. Please enjoy!

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“Hi Jensen,” you asked Monday night when your phone rang. “How was your flight earlier?”

“Same old same old. I just got out of work,” he said with a yawn. “Gonna grab a bite out with a friend. Kids eat dinner okay?”

“We had honey sriracha glazed salmon with brussel sprouts and roasted red potatoes.”

“Really?”

“They had kraft mac and cheese and I had Taco Bell.”

“See this is why I like you,” he chuckled.

“I’ll try the salmon again tomorrow. I was gonna make it but they didn’t have any at the store,” you said, opening the fridge and taking out a pint of ice cream. “Hey can I have what’s left of this mint ice cream?”

“Sure. Pick some more up for me sometime before friday please,” he said. “Also, Taco Bell? You do realize we live in freaking Austin right. There are literally hundreds of places you can go that have better mexican food.”

“Yeah but fake cheese tastes good,” you said. He laughed and your stomach rumbled. “I so should have gotten more than two tacos.”

“You in the kitchen?” he asked. You hummed and you heard him let out an oof in the background.

“Yeah. You alright?”

“This bed in my hotel room is comfy,” he said. “But I was starting to say, go in the drawer at the end of the counter by the table. There’s only five hundred gajillion take out menus in there. Order a treat for yourself. It’s on me.”

“Jensen. I can get my own dinner.”

“True but you’re on call 24/7 until I get back.”

“Well in that case I bet you got a menu for a fancy steakhouse in here somewhere,” you teased as you picked up one for a tex mex looking restaurant. “Does this place really have quesadillas this big?”

“You must be looking at the menu on top. I almost ordered from there last week actually. The food’s great. They do delivery too. Just buzz the guy into the gate when they get there.”

“Any recommendations?” you asked, taking out the menu and flipping it over.

“Quesadillas are good. Loaded nachos are amazing. I’ve literally never had a bad thing from there,” he said. “To be honest I’d rather be getting that than where I’m going tonight.”

“Why’s that?” you asked, reading through your options, surprised to find such good prices.

“I have to wear a suit,” he said with a sigh. “After being poked and prodded all day I literally would rather just eat crap and watch food network.”

“How long have you known this friend of yours?” you asked.

“Twenty years, why?”

“Then you guys knew each other when you were young. It’s not too late out there. Call him, see if he’d rather get some crap food, a six pack and just catch up on his couch or in your room. I’m pretty sure he’s more looking forward to seeing an old friend again than the food,” you said.

“You make very good points. I should pay you more,” he said.

“You pay me plenty and barely let me spend a dime of my money on myself,” you said. “I don’t need more.”

“You got that fancy computer though.”

“You literally have the exact same mac in your office.”

“You moved in like three boxes and two computers,” he said.

“An ipad is not a computer,” you said.

“Debatable.”

“Well I like to draw sometimes and it’s easier on an ipad when you’re laying in bed,” you said.

“Are you any good?” he asked.

“No.”

“I bet they’re really good,” he said as you rolled your eyes. “I see you draw with the kids sometimes and those are good.”

“It’s a hobby is all,” you said, leaning back against the counter, your stomach grumbling again. “Anything else you want me to grab at the store? I’m going to hit it tomorrow while everyone’s at school.”

“Nah. Get the usual stuff,” he said. “The kiddos in bed?”

“Yeah, got the last one down about fifteen minutes ago,” you said. He hummed and you heard the sigh in it. “I got a video of them playing earlier I’ll send you.”

“Thanks. It’s my first night away from them in a long time. Normally I’m able to come back same day. I was kinda hoping they’d still be awake to say goodnight.”

“They’re safe and sound dad. We’ll call again after school tomorrow to talk like today,” you said.

“Yeah,” he breathed out. He was quiet and you pulled the phone away, taking a deep breath.

“You okay?”

“I haven’t been alone like this in a really long time.”

“I know. You check out your backpack yet?”

“No. Why?”

“You didn’t bring a jacket with you so I put that yellow hoodie that’s always on the hook in there in case you got cold.”

“That was Dee’s hoodie.”

“I was pretty sure it was,” you said. You heard him shuffle around briefly before he hummed, much happier that time. “I thought you might like to have a piece of...something-”

“I really don’t pay you enough,” he said quietly. “Thanks for putting this in there. I need something from home more than I realized.”

“Well put it on, call up your buddy and have some fun tonight, Ackles. Nanny’s orders.” He laughed and you felt that twinge in your stomach again, your eyes quickly closing.

“I will. Hey you mind if I call again tomorrow night? I don’t have any plans and sitting in a hotel room by myself isn’t very fun.” You smiled and felt heat in your cheeks, quickly thinking it away. He wanted company for a few minutes was all and you were friends. It was completely normal to talk with friends on the phone everyday.

“Of course. As long as you get a dinner in at some point that’s more than fine with me,” you said. “We can talk about The Bachelor!”

“Oh God no,” he groaned, chuckling after a few seconds. “I’ll settle for Grey’s Anatomy.”

“This Is Us?” you asked.

“Supernatural?”

“I haven’t watched that yet. I’m working up to it,” you said.

“Work faster woman. I only know legit everything about that one,” he chuckled. “But probably not a good idea to watch that one until I get back and you're not alone. First episode is kinda scary.”

“Oh well thanks for that,” you said, watching the clock tick by, knowing it had to be almost seven out there. “I’ll let you go. Have fun tonight Jensen.”

“I will Y/N. Promise.”

Friday Night

“Arrow,” you said after she’d flung her pasta bowl all over herself, covering her hair and face. She sniffled and you forced a smile. “Okay. How about a bath after dinner?”

Fifteen minutes later JJ and Zeppelin were in the movie room watching a cartoon while you had Arrow in the kids bathroom, scooping up some water over her head in the tub.

“Well hello ladies,” you heard behind you. You jumped and spun around, glaring for a moment before you recognized Jensen.

“Just me,” he said, backpack still on his shoulders.

“Daddy I got ziti all over my head,” she said.

“You did?” he asked, dropping his bag and taking off his jacket, kneeling down next to you. You got the last bit of sauce off and squirted some shampoo in her hair, Jensen watching you with a smile. “How was your day?”

She told him all about breakfast and daycare, playing with a few toy boats with him while you rinsed out the soap. You did a bit of conditioner before getting it out as well and putting the spray nozzle back.

“I got the rest if you wanna get the dryer ready?” he asked you, reaching for the soap. You swapped spots with him, Jensen washing her up while she kept talking about her day. By the time he was all done you had the dryer out and plugged in, Jensen picking her up and wrapping her up in a big bundle of towels before he set her on the counter. You went to work drying her hair, Jensen draining the tub and finding some pajamas for her.

“Do you want your hair up or down, sweetie?” you asked. She tried gathering it up and you grabbed her soft scrunchie perfectly fine for sleeping in from the counter. You put her hair up in a soft little bun, Jensen making an adorable sound when he returned.

“Aw, you look so cute, baby. I’ll be right there alright?” he said. She hopped off the counter and got dressed, rushing off downstairs when she was all done. “Survive the day?”

“Somehow we always do,” you said, gathering up the towels. “Kids are in the movie room.”

“Thanks. I’m gonna shower but we’re all good for the night,” he said. “Thanks for watching them this week.”

“You gotta go do your job,” you said. “You working on a movie or something? You never said.”

“Uh gonna be in a show called The Boys,” he said. “I’m gonna be one of the superheroes so I gotta go out and get my suit made all special for me every so often.”

“You’re gonna be a supe! That’s so fucking cool!” you said. He grinned and you blushed, shaking your head. “I’m so sorry. That was so not appropriate.”

“I don’t see any little ears around,” he chuckled. “You like the show then?”

“Yeah. It’s great. Like no other show consistently makes me go what the fuck did I just see. That’s so cool you get to be a supe though. Are you a one off or like a main character?”

“I’ll be very present in the next season. Gonna deal with the seven, all that,” he said. “I’m gonna be Solider Boy.”

“I can see that. You have that all American boy thing about you.”

“It’s my adorable face,” he teased.

“Well remember to not stay up too late. You have the gala tomorrow night remember?”

“Yes mom,” he said as you walked out. “Get the kids some takeout for dinner tomorrow and yourself.”

“Sounds good boss,” you said. “Night Jensen.”

“Goodnight, Y/N.”

The Next Night

You froze from where you were mixing up some brownie batter with JJ at the kitchen counter as Jensen popped downstairs. He was in a gorgeous black suit, a maroon pocket square and no tie going on, his hair scruffier looking than normal.

He started to laugh and you realized you were staring, your cheeks feeling hot as you went back to stirring.

“Mmm, you guys save me a brownie or two for when I get home?” he asked, leaning over and dipping his finger in the bowl of cream cheese frosting.

“We’ll spare one for dad,” you said, Jensen going back for seconds. “Ah, ah. No.”

He dipped his finger in and got another fingerful, kissing the top of JJ’s head and the twins at the counter.

“Be good for Y/N guys!” he called as he rushed out.

You whistled and he jogged back, catching you holding up his phone from the counter.

“Thank you,” he said, taking it and pecking a kiss on your cheek. You looked up at him and he froze. “I am so sorry. I…”

“It’s okay. Go have fun and be all charitable,” you said. He shoved his phone in his pocket and ran out, JJ scratching her head.

“Dad’s kinda weird sometimes,” she said.

“Yeah, he is. But so is everybody,” you said. “Let’s get this in the oven so you guys can pick out colors for your frosting, hm?”

“I really shouldn’t. But I really should,” you said to yourself, plopping your second brownie of the night in a bowl and sticking a scoop of ice cream on top. You carried it over to the couch and lay back, watching TV on the big screen as you heard the door open. Jensen came into view a minute later, taking his jacket off and groaning as he washed up at the sink. He went to the tray of brownies on the counter and picked one up with a big sigh. “Fun night?”

He jumped and whacked his head against the cabinet above, hissing before he spun around.

“You okay?” you asked. He nodded and left the brownie behind, pushing his sleeves up before taking a seat on the other end of the lounger.

“Y/N I’m really sorry about the kiss on the cheek. That was so inappropriate. You’ve kinda implied that there was some stuff that’s happened to you at other jobs you found over the line and I’m really truly sorry if I made you uncomfortable. I wasn’t...I forgot you’re my employee for a moment. I really am sorry.”

“Jensen if I had a problem with it or you or your behavior I would quit on the spot. I don’t let myself get pushed around anymore. You were happy and busy and you pecked a kiss on my cheek, not reach a hand down my pants. It’s really okay. You’re way too hard on yourself.”

“Are you sure?” he asked.

“Positive. It’s barely ten which means you left as soon as you could. You’re supposed to be out having fun,” you said.

“I was kinda freaking out that you hated me,” he said.

“Dude you gotta relax,” you said. “Have a brownie and some ice cream.”

He got up and after a minute took a seat at the other end with a bowl of his own, smiling as he got a taste.

“This is fucking awesome,” he said.

“I know,” you said, Jensen smirking. “Do you feel better now silly boy? I promise that if you ever do anything I find inappropriate I will promptly kick you in the balls.”

“I can agree to that,” he said. He ate for a moment, watching the TV and laying back. “Do you ever like, want to go do things with your friends on a Saturday night? If you do that’s totally cool. These aren’t normal hours anyways.”

“Being a nanny eats up a lot of your social life,” you said. “Kinda got kicked out of my friend group after I broke up with my ex anyways.”

“Well they sound like they suck,” he said.

“Yes, they do,” you said. “I don’t mind so much. I meet plenty of new people through work. Only person you can depend on is yourself and I don’t tend to let myself down.”

“That’s a very lonely way to go through life,” he said.

“It’s not easy to make friends in your thirties,” you said. “Maybe for someone like you who travels and meets new people a lot and stuff but you have like, real friendships. You know?”

“Well we have a real friendship, don’t we? You’re friends with Jared and Rob and Ruthie and Rich,” he said. “I don’t trust just anybody with my kids. That’s real.”

“Yeah,” you said, taking a bite. “So when’s your friend free?”

“Hm?”

“Blind date guy. Maybe he could be a friend if things work out,” you said.

“Oh yeah. He uh, he actually got a gig up in Canada so you might need to wait like a month or so. But he’s excited to meet you,” said Jensen.

“Can I have his number?” you asked. “Or do you think that’d be weird?”

“No, not weird. I think he just kinda wants to do it old school if that’s okay. Meet you first and go from there.”

“This friend of yours better be like super hot,” you said.

“If it’s a problem-“

“I can respect him wanting to do things like that. But I’m gonna want a firm date soon,” you said.

“I’ll make sure to get you one,” he said. “I’ll get it down tomorrow, promise.”

“He better not mind me eating like this either. I ain’t a salad on the first date kinda girl. He’s gonna need to keep up with my eating while were at it,” you said. He snorted in his seat beside you and ran his hand over his face.

“I will keep that in mind. I have occasionally had dessert first truth be told,” he said.

“This is why I like you Ackles. You get my sweet tooth,” you laughed.

“It’s a good thing your dinners are healthy cause I swear I haven’t consumed this many baked goods in months,” he said. “The kids love it and my stomach loves it though.”

“I’m gonna need to start working out though if I keep this up. Oh hey is it okay if I do laps in the pool in the mornings? I’ll be super quiet and stuff.”

“You don’t gotta ask,” he smiled. “Like I said when you started, you got free reign to use the pool, the gym, whatever, aside from my room. You a swimmer?”

“Not really but I hate running and supposedly it’s a good workout or something,” you shrugged, eating another bite of brownie.

“Anything in the gym you’re free to use. I know you must get a little bored sometimes when I’m gone and the kids are,” he said.

“Not bored per say. Ordinarily I would do more chores but you have like a cleaner and a landscaper and you just...give me more time in the day than I’m used to is all. It’s actually great though. It gives me plenty of time to come up with ideas for the kids and stuff.”

“Well as long as you’re taking breaks and your lunch do as you please,” he said, his spoon scraping the bottom of his bowl.

“Now that’s just sad.”

“I really should get another one of these,” he said, sucking the spoon.

“It’s really the only choice you have,” you said. He laughed as he hopped up, skirting back into the kitchen and fixing up another brownie and ice cream combo.

“Hey you want more, Dee?” he asked. You popped your head up and he spun around. “I’m-“

“Don't apologize, Jensen,” you said. He tapped his fingers against the counter and took a deep breath, putting his back to you.

“That’s the second time tonight I’ve done that,” he said.

“Jensen. There’s nothing wrong with missing your wife.”

“I’m still sorry.”

“You don’t...talk about her much.”

“It was...she wasn’t…” he trailed off. He sat down on a barstool and you got up, walking over and hopping up on the counter beside him. You set your feet in the stool next to his and paused before you put a hand on top of his head and ran your fingers through the short strands. “This shouldn’t have happened to her.”

“Death is the price for living. Pain’s the price for caring. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth it,” you said. You started to move your hand away when he turned his head.

“Don’t…” he said, easing when you played with it gently again. “That’s always calmed me down since I was a little kid.”

“Someone should take care of you every once in a while you know. Your parents, siblings, friends. Everyone needs a break.”

“I had a lot of help at the beginning. I don’t need a whole day. Just a moment here and there,” he said quietly.

“It’ll be okay, Jensen,” you said. He nodded and you played with his hair a few moments, watching his shoulders ease. This time when you pulled away he smiled up at you. “Better?”

“Yeah. Thank you. That’s not in your job description to do that sort of thing.”

“Well I think your wife would want somebody to watch your back, even for only a minute or two,” you said.

“You don’t have any brain aneurysms I should know about, do you?” he chuckled.

“No. That what happened?” you asked, a single nod coming from him.

“She was sleeping. Not a bad way to go I was told, you’d never even know,” he said. “Not a fun thing to wake up to in the morning though.”

“My dad had a mass at the back of his head. It was that same kind of thing where one second it’s fine and the next everything’s different deal. It was inoperable. Then he goes and dies from a car accident of all things before it got bad. My mom had a hard time with that.”

“You said she had a boyfriend later on right?” he asked.

“Yeah. I know you’ll be okay, Jensen,” you said. You ruffled his hair and he smiled, a soft look on his face. “Pro tip too from someone who’s been there, kids with a single parent turn out just fine.”

“Do they ever wish they had another parent?” he asked.

“They wish the parent they still have around is happy again someday. They won’t understand until they’re older that it’s a different kind of love between parents. But they’ll know it’s a little different and they’ll hope dad feels better too. Your kids are tough. They’ll be okay too.”

“Thanks, Y/N,” he said. You hopped off the counter and washed up your dish, sticking it in the dishwasher before you went to leave for your room. “So I gotta ask. Who takes care of you?”

“Me?” you asked, pointing to yourself. He shrugged and smiled, your gaze going past him. “I’m all good. I don’t need somebody to take care of me.”

“Liar,” he said softly. “You know my friend tells me everybody needs to be taken care of sometimes.”

“That’s the difference between us Jensen. You’re not like me.”

“What’s that supposed to mean?” he scoffed, his face scrunching up suddenly.

“It means you’re not on your own and even if you feel like it, it’s only been a little while. You’ll be okay. I’ve been taking care of myself since I was a kid. I don’t need anyone to take care of me.”

“That’s bullshit and you know it.”

“You haven’t lived my life and I haven’t lived yours. Don’t try to tell me that I’m not capable of-”

“It’s not about what you’re capable of. You said pain is part of life, it’s the price for living. You’ve had more than your fair share-”

“Lots of people have it a lot worse.”

“Don’t compare your pain to someone else's. They haven’t lived your life,” he said. You rolled your eyes and started to walk away, Jensen out of his seat and catching up with you in the hall. “You can be taken care of too you know.”

“By who? My non-existent circle of friends? My crappy ex? My mom’s ex boyfriend who’s got his own wife and kids? I am perfectly fine managing all of this by myself. I’ve been doing it for years.”

“You’re so frustratingly annoying,” he said, running his hand over his face. “Me. I’m talking about me. You just...you took care of me tonight. The least I can do is show you the same compassion.”

“No,” you said.

“No? Why not?”

“Because taking care of me turns into you walking into my shower without my permission and you being a dick and this going away and I don’t want you to be those things so no. We’re getting too friendly. Please leave me alone tomorrow.”

You left him in the hall and went down to your area of the house, shutting the door after you. There was quickly a knock and you growled, ripping it open.

“What?” you snapped at him.

“I am not going to hurt you or be a dick to you or whatever else you think. You need to realize in the real world, not everyone is an asshole.”

“You’re the one not living in the real world then, Jensen. Everybody’s an asshole.”

“Fine. I’m an asshole. But I’m not leaving until you say I can take care of you tomorrow. Two minutes is all I’m asking for.”

“This is my part of the house.”

“And technically I am outside your door,” he said. “Why are you so resistant to somebody doing something nice for you?”

“Because I don’t wanna get used to it,” you said. He stared and you shook your head. “You’re attractive and an actor and kind and funny and it’s not a matter of if you date again but when and when that day comes, we ain’t gonna be sitting on the couch eating ice cream anymore. Please do not invite me to anymore outings as a friend. I’ll attend if required as a nanny but this between us is done.”

“For the record, the only one around here that thinks of you as just the hired help is you. My children are completely like their old selves. I feel more like my old self. You seem happier than when I met you but for some reason, that’s a big problem to you. I do not understand that.”

“Leave or I resign and move out first thing,” you said. He crossed his arms and lifted his chin. “This is my formal resignation then. The company will-”

He moved quickly and you weren’t sure what he was doing at first but soon you realized he was hugging you, your hands resting against his chest. You swallowed and he didn’t move, your forehead resting against him.

“What are you doing?” you breathed out.

“When’s the last time you got a fucking hug?” he asked.

“The kids-”

“Not the kids.”

“I don’t remember,” you said quietly.

“Then you are overdue,” he said. You let yourself reach your arms around him and return the hug, breathing deeply, a small bubble in you rising up. You tried to push it down but it came back harder and you were fighting back tears before you knew it.

He could feel when you lost that battle, hand rubbing up and down your back. There was a soft shushing in the air and after a few minutes you felt better. You lifted your head but didn’t look at him, Jensen squeezing you in his hug again before it eased.

“You know you’re not allowed to quit on me...like ever,” he chuckled. You let out a small laugh, Jensen smiling at you when you forced your head up. He wiped off your cheeks and you let out one last sniffle. “You’re not alone. I promise you’re not. It’s not the quantity of people you have in your life but the quality and I’m sorry but we are friends and there’s nothing you can do about that so I’d just accept it now.”

“I’m sorry I was such a bitch.”

“You were scared, not a bitch,” he said. “I wish I could make you happier is all.”

“I wish I could bring back your wife for you,” you said.

“One of those is a lot more possible than the other,” he said. A small smile crossed his lips before he ducked his head down, shoulders heaving back before his head raised. “Y/N, can I confess something to you? I hope...I hope it doesn’t bother you but if it does, you don’t have to continue working for me. I’d still like to be friends regardless.”

“What’s wrong?” you asked, Jensen looking past you.

“My single friend I was going to set you up with? He doesn’t exist.”

“Oh.”

“Cause he’s kinda me.”

“Oh,” you said, staring at him, a lot of his previous behavior starting to click into place. “That’s…”

“I know,” he said, stepping away and rubbing the back of his neck. “It’s weird and douchey and I’m sorry. I like you and I was trying to see if you would ever go for a 42 year old actor. I left out the widow and kids part but...I’m sorry.”

“When did you like me?” you asked quietly.

“The whole time?” he said, laughing nervously to himself. “It’s kinda snowballed since we met. I never in my life thought I’d like someone again. I didn’t want to like you. I hired you because you were the best candidate and I knew the kids would be in good hands but everyday it’s there, even more, and I know this is so inappropriate on so many levels and I’m really starting to ramble here but you make me think maybe your mom had a point and people are allowed to have...more than one…and sometimes the way you talk to me and treat me and look at me...”

He swallowed as you stepped in front of him, taking a quick breath.

“I will keep working for you and I’ll be your friend...and you can make me dinner tomorrow,” you said with a smile. “We’ll see where it goes from there?”

“You’re not...weirded out?” he asked.

“By your age, you’re my boss or the cheeky lying about a fake friend?” you said.

“All of the above.”

“Age doesn’t bother me. You have no idea how to be a boss, no offense, and the friend...I don’t blame you for wanting to test the waters first,” you said. “But I expect honesty from here on out.”

“Absolutely,” he said.

“Good,” you said.

“You do like me right?” he asked. “Like you don’t feel obligated or-”

“I like you Jensen. Why do you think I was trying to push you away before you got too close? I didn’t want to be hurt.”

“Give me a chance to not,” he said. “We can have dinner and see how it goes from there.”

“Normally the best course of action,” you said.

“But maybe with a few more hugs from now on,” he said. “For the both of us.”

“That’d be okay with me,” you said. He smiled and you returned it. “I guess I’ll see you in the morning then.”

“I guess you will,” he said. He turned to go when he spun back on his heels. “Or we could go back out there, eat way too much dessert and hang out?”

“Yeah,” you said with a smile. “Give me a minute to wash up my face.”

“Take all the time you want. I’m gonna change into something more comfortable anyways.”

He left and you washed off your face in the bathroom, drying it off and taking a deep breath.

You did like him. There was something calming about him to you and you enjoyed his company, even if it was just the two of you having a quiet cup of coffee in the morning.

But he was an actor. And kinda famous. And a widow. And had three kids.

“But your face is cute,” you said aloud, looking the mirror. “Gah, of course you have to be like...into me. Nutjob. He must be a nutjob. That’s it.”

“Y/N?” you heard him saying and you smacked yourself in the face. “Are you talking to yourself?”

“Uh, yeah,” you said, stepping out and seeing him in the hall sporting a pair of pajama pants and a t shirt. “That was fast.”

“Well I didn’t go through an eight step skin routine too,” he chuckled.

“For your information, my routine is only three steps,” you said, walking past him and waggling your fingers.

“I didn’t realize I was living with such a savage,” he said. You laughed and went back to the kitchen, making up another dish of brownie for him while he went over to where he kept his liquor. “You a bourbon kind of girl?”

“Is there any other kind?” you said.

“Touche.” He poured out two glasses and slid one over while you passed his bowl to him. “So what’s this three step routine? Do I need to up my game or what?”

“I think I need your routine, not the other way around,” you said.

“Nah. I like looking at your face more than mine. Trust me.”

“Oh. How long you been holding back those kinds of comments?” you teased.

“Longer than you’d think,” he said, sharing the bowl with you. “Feel okay now?”

“Yeah. I can’t remember the last time I cried,” you said. “Especially in front of someone.”

“A good cry session has never hurt in my experience. I’ll do it for work and stuff but normally I’m not much of one. Aside from the past six months I mean.”

“Are you ready to try this?” you asked.

“Yeah. I know I am,” he said. “I’m positive of it.”

“How can you know that?”

“Because you make me happy. You make me...want to do stuff again, believe in all the romantic...if I wasn’t ready, I’d feel guilty. But I don’t. I just know that maybe some people get more than one chance and maybe I’m one of them.”

“I know you are, whoever it ends up being,” you said.

“Are you ready to try this?”

You took a drink and bite of ice cream, pushing the bowl back.

“I miss my family,” you said. “I miss being happy. I’d like to...have someone that could take care of me for a moment every once in a while. I might mess that up sometimes but I’m willing to try.”

“Me too,” he said. “I’d expect some screw ups on this end too. I’ve been out of the dating game for a long time.”

“I’m sure it hasn’t changed all that much,” you said.

“Well I’ve never dated with kids and as a widow,” he said.

“I’m just in this for them to be honest,” you laughed.

“I see how it is,” he said with a smirk.

“I don’t think it’ll be as hard as you think,” you said.

“I hope not,” he said.

“Do they know? You want to date?”

“JJ does,” he said. “She’s little but she understands that it doesn’t mean I’ll never love her mother any less. She’s been strangely okay through this whole thing aside from the first few weeks. She helps her brother and sister out more now.”

“As someone who was that kid, minus the siblings, I know they’ll be okay. She’s a great kid. I’ve met plenty of spoiled brats. Yours are not.”

“Well that might just be the second best thing I’ve heard tonight,” he said.

“Whatever was the first?” you teased, eating a spoon of ice cream.

“Oh I think you know,” he said, stealing the spoon back. You smiled and heard some feet run around upstairs before the stairs creeped and a little head ducked down into view. “Arrow. It’s bedtime sweetie.”

“I had a accident,” she said. “Sorry.”

“Nothing to be sorry for, honey,” he said. “I’ll be right back.”

“Want help?” you asked.

“Sure,” he said. He scooped up Arrow on the way up the stairs, setting her down in the kids bathroom. He got some clean pajamas and you found a pair of pull ups, Arrow pouting at you.

“I don’t need ‘em,” she said.

“Your brother wears them. I wore them and your mommy and daddy wore them. Everybody wears pull ups when they’re your age,” you said.

“Just tonight,” she said, stepping into them. Jensen walked past with the mattress liner and she was dressed by the time you heard the washer going off in the distance. You walked her back to bed, Jensen slipping in past you and tucking her in. “Night daddy.”

“Night sweetie,” he said, kissing her temple.

“Night Y/N,” she said.

“Night night kiddo,” you said, giving her a tiny wave before you left, Jensen flipping off her light and pulling the door shut.

“Come here a second,” he said, nodding and you saw him head towards his room. The double doors were open and you stepped inside, Jensen going past the bed and over to a set of french doors. He pushed one open and waved for you to follow, showing you out to a rooftop balcony.

“Wow,” you said, a set of chairs, a table and a lounger out there along with a whole lot soft string lights. “I didn’t realize you had this up here.”

“Kinda a place to go unwind, relax,” he said. “I disappear out here sometimes. Been out here a lot at night lately.”

“Thinking about what?” you asked.

“You,” he said. “I talk to Dee about you sometimes as crazy as that sounds.”

“Doesn’t sound crazy at all,” you said.

“I just wanted to say...this area isn’t off limits anymore. Nothing is,” he said.

“She asked you out, didn’t she,” you said with a smile. He rubbed the back of his neck and blushed. “You’re cute.”

You leaned up and kissed his cheek, heading back towards inside.

“Come on, Jensen. Before the ice cream melts on us.”

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A/N: Read Part 4 here!

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