#i NEED TOXIC YURI you DONT GET IT

[noircherri]

the outfits are lazy but the concept is there...kinda......

also this

[swordmaid]

this convo hitting so different if ur a lolth drow like minthara

[aroace-polyshow]

totally worth it (i did more but this is the only one i liked so)

[ispyspookymansion]

its like you people dont even care about andy barclay

[pepperingsteaks]

it is almost 4am but uh oughvsd tmagp episode 31 (head in hands)

here's how

here's how colin becher can still win-

[hauntingblue]

Anne didn't go back to sleep with jack nooooooooo

[smileything]

i Feel like i Want to add to This But i dont Know What to add

Freminet and Collei have a complex dynamic to me. I feel like Freminet would envy her, she got to run away from the Fatui as a kid while his life in completely engraved with it, he cant escape it even if he tried, she got to. She has a family outside of the Fatui and a home. He doesnt have that. He hates how she angers him and how much he wishes to be her. Collei can never bring herself to fully trust him, hes a Fatui. He will always be a Fatui, and she hates them for what they did to her. She dislikes him for that, even as they become friends she still feels that deep hatered. Even if she becomes trusting of him theres still unsettling feeling in her chest constantly reminding her shes a fatui, no matter how matter how much she tries to push it away it is always there. They would never work romantically, as friends sure. Maybe in another universe where the Fatui doesn't exist they can be together. But not in this one.

They feel like the toxic relationship you'd have in middle school and never talk about again.

[currymaker]

can i give up my agency if they're real niceys? what if i like it eventually?

there is this wonderful tool called roleplay that you can use to explore unsafe and harmful scenarios with a caring and safe person and environment. you dont need to ruin your life to get a taste of toxic yuri, you can play pretend, okay? please

[ainnur]

we know you like celestialchaos (Wukong/Xiangliu) and divorced shadowpeach (where Macaque is the pathetic ex) but do you have any other LMK ships?

with or without Wukong, doesn’t matter

I DO!! Im a semi multishipper so I have few ships I like and some of them a pretty rare but I'll explain why I like them in simple way.

Start with my third favorite:

StableBoy (Ao Lie/Wukong)

To me this ship just a cute one. It match my hc that Ao Lie being the first person Wukong ever open up to after all the shit he been through because Wukong loves horses lol. And Ao lie is one of the persons that see Wukong grow to be better. I can see it as first ever heathy relationship Wukong ever have. Also Ao Lie the first person he ever truly trusted always listening to what he says. Ao Lie is Wukong's light.

OTHER SHIPS 👇🏼👇🏼

GoldenDragon (Mk/Mei)

Best friend to lover trope. They is two people that would say "If we single when we 27, we just marry each other" and the keep their dynamic. Plus they always be their for each other and match each other energy. They know each other the best and I like that about them. And when I first watched lmk I actually think they were dating or something lol. Im just like the silver and gold brother demon 🥲 sue me. If anything GoldenDragon is not parelle with Shadowpeach but StableBoy.

FreeNoddle (Tang/Pigsy)

Old married couple for the win✨ I just like how they lovingly fight with each other but comfort each other when needed.

LionPeach (Azure/Wukong)

This really giving love at first sight 😭I mean what is this. Look I like them because they cute. Azure admire Wukong and see him as great warrior, a bother, the King! Little bit too much its unhealthy. And Wukong have all his trust and having same gold as him and that is making the world a better place. But because his admiration, he blame Wukong for failing. For not achieving what he expect of Wukong to be. He also think what he doing is right. But even everything he never wanted to hurt anyone deep down and he made mistakes and redeemed himself with his life despite everything he loved his friends and they all loved him. Just look at Wukong when Azure die. And after everyting Wukong still care about him in a way.

Shadowpuppet (Not Mayor/Macaque)

Petty rival that somehow get together lol. I like them both being shitty to each other but cant leave each other side because they only have each other 🥲.

DestinyBone (Mayor/Lady Bone Demon)

One side love. Mayor do everything for LBD while her only focus on her destiny. Everything he do is for her but now she gone...he is nothing.

PuppetPeach (Wukong/Mayor)

Toxic yuri- okay look I have this idea for them with Mayor try to find someone else to serve after LBD is gone. At first Mayor dont like Wukong because you know, Wukong is the one make him realize that LBD never actually need him. But when fighting with Wukong he remember something. The warm that Wukong left him. It also cold when come to lbd and that how he like it but this warm feel strange to him. After some stalking he see Wukong as the leader, as the protector, as the hero and most importantly as a KING. Someone who deserve to be serve. I made a fanfic once about them HERE

StringDoll (Spider Queen/Lady Bone Demon)

✨Toxic Yuri for real ✨No explainition just them

IronBull (PIF/DBK)

Vilain power couple ✨. They may be a shit parents to Red Son but damn they're THAT couple. They just good with each other. I like how dbk defend PIF by saying that PIF can handle herself because she is a strong women but still worry about her because THAT his wife, he have right to be worry. And PIF? She loyal for him. 500 years finding way to free her husband from mountain. *Ehem* Take note Macaque *Ehem*. PIF would rush to her husband always. Just like when Azure attack DBK and his family, PIF quickly rush and jump infront of her husband wanting to protect him. I was like damn, you go girl ✨They either be good parents or good couple. They made their decision lol.

GoldenFeather (Peng/Wukong)

Okay I like this ship because my friend @starrclown make me ship theme with their cute fanfic. But I still have my own idea for them. I like them in 2 way

1)Peng having a casual crush on Wukong. Its never anything big. Peng just think Wukong is funny and chaotic. Peng love 'chaos' anyway and without it they think it be boring. Peng know that Wukong never actually like anyone and is fine by that. If Wukong like them back it be awasome but if Wukong dont Peng will be just find.

2) Peng have crush on Macaque😬. Hate crush but still crush. The thing is that Mac is a simp for Wukong and Peng just don't get it. He just don't get what so good about Wukong that got Macaque drolling like that. Peng being curious and also don't want seem as coward like Macaque ask Wukong for a "night" just to have the taste. Now he understand Macaque and wanting Wukong

Also Peng might be more important to Wukong consider he is one of first ink from Wukong scroll that show up and the first one to attack

This is OC x Canon:

ToxicPeach (Steve/Wukong)

Okay this is crack ship that me and my friend @halfdeadhalfpaniced made with random character we call Steve. But more time pass I kinda like the ship. Steve the wanna rockstar fall in love with the Monkey King himself. Wukong is questioning why he like that loser lol

[the-geek-librarian]

HI BOYS AND GIRLS AND NONBYONERY HOSE IM SO UNWELL

This ch killed me, we have yuri, inner worlds WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT

Thess kinds of panels are my fav kinds of Desscaras panels

Were we dont get her full face, idk why but they gets used offten with her and im a slut for it

THEN WE GET HIT WITH THIS

Everyone say thank you to the World hater Majik for giving us Desscaeas with her hair down

HI MISS DESSCARAS? SAVE SOME CUNT FOR THE REST OF THE WITCHES i wanna kiss her so bad

HI BABYGIRL, BOYTOY, HUSBAND EVEN

Desscaras voice: My girlfriends back and you're gonna get in trouble~~

World hater majik: ????

Togeice: Hey lil mama let me whisper in your ear- *freezes the WH majiks whole ass*

We got feed with yuri today mhhhh

Ladies when is the wedding? Do they count as toxic yuri? No,no not enough abuse for that... well they sure are gay tho

THE QUAD I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED TILL NOW

I want more of this. Ichi heading into his magic circle and talking with his majik is so fun to me i love it so,so much AND MORE OF INAZURI I MISSED YOU BABY BOY

Also Ururo what the fuck do you mean by sacrafice ??? For what? Also the fact that he said it was Desscaras Duaty to explain to him what he meant by it and im both worried but also HELL YEAH other characters admiting the fact that Ichi is Desscaras student!!

We dont know what kind of relationship they will have in the future, it may be found family, it maybe strictly just student and teacher like in Iruma-kun. But there is love there, Desscaras sees in Ichi the love and wimsy abt magic that she herself has lost and its never, ever shown derectly but its hinted that she cares.

[romsabombs]

Malevolent part 48 The Castle notes!!!

hes still got the plague😟

how it feels to have a job interview

new guy new character unlocked💥

COVER YOUR MOUTH MAN

oh??

"speaking of sick, who are you" HAHA

blud will NOT cover his mouth

who r these people!! pls tell me we're gonna have a murder mystery😋

DISGUSTINGGGG😟😟

i think its gonna be a manor murder mystery

witch mentioned🙏🙏🙏

shes just like me fr. the vibe i bring to the function

maybe we can bond over being blind

we r not making any friends here

ARTHUR STOP COUGHING

i have no idea whats going on

ummmm the cracks??🤕

someones coming :3

HAHA ITS A CULT MEETING FUNNY AS HELL

"whatever you See is necessary" ok😐

so who's gonna die first

nightmare blunt rotation

BLACK STONE MENTIONED☝️💥

ORDER OF THE FALLEN STAR MENTIONEDDD🗣️🗣️ we're so back

i cant believe arthur's in a cult now

RIGHT the ring😬

no gift means no dinner and a hundred hours in the prison pits

we already fucked up HAHA

we're so cooked💀

does this guy have a crush on arthur

HAHA "praying" oscar 2.0

Which God is crazyyy

"the almighty god" laughs nervously

NONE🗣️ OKAYYYY

"heathen" HAHA fucked up

"sleep with one eye open" like thats gonna do anything

LIGHTERRR💥💥💥

arthurs not gonna make it through the night i fear

i can't tell these people apart yet

king in yellow shubniggurath mentioned

"shub" TEEHEE NICKNAMES

OMG IT IS A MURDER MYSTERY🥳🥳

I WAS RIGHT!!!!!💥💥💥

"MURDER👺"

"we need to touch that body" ok. freak

"whats all this then🤓☝️"

throat slit from behind😟 yuck

harlans french accent is so funny

YAAA the ringggg

we could kill someone and frame this guy by leaving the ring at the scene

NOOOO oh nooo

arthurs detective arc

john does NOT want to touch this body

"our chest" TEEHEHEE

the sexual tension between them

idk whats going on fr

"large wooden cross"christianity mentioned

😟 oh hes dead 🤕💔

slit throat again???

"i do not🤓"

"shes doing an awful job" HAHA

HAHA WHAT hes roasting all of them

hes starting sm drama

HAHA HES GETTING BEAT UP

hes tryna touch the body non chalantly

HAHA no way

cover your mouth!!!😩 oh my god

"do you believe ur a decent man" ah😬

not the dog motif again

ummm

UHHH😬☹️

i like when people preach about how incomprehensible these gods are while arthurs having toxic yuri with one of them

god. damn

"barnabas was not with me" OKAYYY

thats it???

ok so its basically Dont Get Murdered

[lilyrayaya]

I love Ur shadow milk X aquamarine Art so much they r very cute ❣️♥️

Are there Any other ships that U like? (srry if this sounds 2 much but just curious U dont have to answr)

Ouhhh thank you ,,!! I love shadowmarine can you tell.

There's no ship I'm nearly as insane about but I do have a bunch I like too. Gonna keep this short! Or at least try to.

There's PureLily. Practically canon and I think they're reallyyyyy cute. What do you mean to tell me they were friends since school and then WL turned evil but then turned out to not be evil and they can have their happy ending.!

Another one with White Lily is ElderLily. I don't even know how to explain this one they just have romantic tension for some reason 💔 I think in the short time they were together they were pinning for each other but never revealed it because they both knew White Lily will leave eventually. Though if I had to choose I'd still pick PureLily.

I used to ship Espresseleine a bunch but as time passed I started to see them more as close friends than a couple. I like it, I have no problems with it, I just? Don't really ship them myself anymore.

HollyTaya is cute,,,, wym Hollyberry wooed a dragon. What kind of rizz does she have...! I need it...! /SILLY they fight everyday except it's not the toxic kind of fight they literally clash weapons ❤️ and they have fun

GoldenBerry (Idk the proper ship name but it's Golden Cheese X Hollyberry). Seeing as they were travelling together before the ancients fully met up they probably have some history together . Ehee... It's cute you don't get to judge me. YURI!!!!!

Looks at the gun being pointed at me) LonganPearl is really cool too /SILLY I really do like them. I blame @qxuiara they've infected me with the plague

[icantwonderhoythepainaway]

If i had to choose a group for QUEEN by Kanaria to go to it would be More More Jump.

For these reasons :

1. Give them a big name Song, they deserve it.

2. Shizuku would absolutely EAT THIS UP. Also Shizuairi QUEEN and Ruikasa KING Combo slays well.

3. Its a song that talks about Love, you know which group mostly cover song abt Love? MOWA MOWA JU-

4. "B-But it's angsty- Niigo is-" They can cover angsty love songs. Proof where they slayed : Karakuri Pierrot, Kiss the Villain, and many others.

5. Doesn't fit EmuNene tbh, you just want EmuNene to match RuiKasa KING.

6. I noticed a pattern that each group has their own Kanaria cover (with the Cup Noodle collab as an exception) with KING Ruikasa, Envy Baby Niigo and most recently Unaware Drunkard Vbs (which slays btw, Akikoha alt when) and i think that if QUEEN does go to Mmj, it would be a duo cover like KING and i HOPE its ShizuAiri, the lesbians ever.

(Which is also why i dont think KanaMafu will get QUEEN, they already have a Kanaria song, two if you count Identity.)

7. To see the more Toxic Wxs Fans to go on an outrage to see a less popular group getting a cover they want for the more popular group (like what happend a few days ago with the toxic Nightcord fans outraging at Leo/need getting Tokyo Teddy Bear) and honestly, too bad for them.

In conclusion : MMJ deserves love. I love me some 2nd/3rd year Yuri. Shizuku will slay and i better NOT see any wxs fans bashing on mmj.

Also if each group eventually gets a Kanaria song, can each group get their own Kikuo song, pls Sega.

[enden-k]

Oh yea i didnt mean it in a personal way that was just badly phrased sorry. (Realising after typing it out that "why i need that hug" is only making sense in my head. Or maybe it doesnt make sense in english how i mean it sorry again)

I just like the concept so much of Vika and Saran. The drawing how he gets craddle knowing that he will get eventually eaten but they are so fluffy and healthy and tearing at the boys because AAAAHHH. Im so obsessed with this concept right now, maybe its my sick brain needing something to cling too. Tenderness in a darker concept.

And keeping it short. Do you get the concept of liking a character a certain specific way but everyone else i want to talk with about the character is just like "yea he is hot, yea he looks cool" but they never go into deeper character analysing ways and then i dont want to talk with them at all about that character.

-🐉

kjasbk its ok its ok

i like to think vika and sarans relationship is like this whole "dark love" themed, but in a consensual, non toxic way as i usually like AHHA (toxic yaoi/yuri my beloved). the super early super first idea was to go into toxic iirc but as i fleshed out their dynamic, saran turned so soft and gentle with vika and i like this so much better. it feels like its supposed to be like this with them: love and tenderness in a gloomy/dark setting

theres genuine, tender, healthy love for each other, both being right there when the other needed it the most. all vika wants is to look into sarans eyes and bask in these feelings and sarans love he finds there, yet every look costs him minutes of his life. their love is literally eating at him but its what he willingly chose and what brings him happiness. and he knows even when his time comes and he will be devoured completely, he will be with saran beyond death. all they do, its all mutual, its all consensual, its all tender.

im aro but whenever i draw them im like whoag this must be what love feels like. my hearts so full haha

overall im kinda trying to give them this "it looks like this but you have to look deeper to properly see" thing like. from the outside it looks like saran trapping vika in his hold and gaze and not letting him escape ever while in truth, its saran keeping him safe and cradled. or whenever saran babbles. the ambiguous meaning?? fooling ppl on first sight?? "look deeper or properly, its not how it seems at first." idk how to describe. maybe i also suck at conveying it AHHAHAHAHKAJSBCKJ

anw im rambling, idk where i wanted to go wtih this. i rlly cant shut up abt them LMAO sorry. im really happy to see how you like them and whats going on with them tho, this means a lot

ALSO I UNDERSTAND THAT SO WELL. i have the tendency to study a character under a microscope if i really really enjoy them and when i tried (i dont talk much to ppl anymore so its all in the past) to talk abt them to ppl who claimed to love them as much as i and then it turned out it was just superficial/surface level, i could feel my excitement shattering and just didnt discuss character studies or lore etc anymore. ofc ppl can like character how they want, im not saying its bad. i just always felt a bit alone/disappointed/embarrassed whenever it happened so im just keeping to myself now. so yeaa i get that

[angy-grrr]

answer to that ask about how problematic bkdk and togachako are in canon

wow I didnt know there were time machines in 2017! In 2025 we are trying to see bkdk more than the bully-victim as the story progressed so so much and neither of them fit those standards nor the abusive dynamic! Oh, and Himiko and Ochako fit more into what stories like Carmilla present, where yes theres horror and murderers but we appreciate the actual symbolism and history of these themes and queerness in literature!

We believe there's a difference between complex relationships with heavy issues and romanticizing abuse! Anyways, we constantly talk about abuse in queer media to the point that the het ship is considered superior and good exclusively bc "they arent toxic", this has been going on for more than 10 years, and at this point I believe this is more of a talking point than an actual concern for queer representation than anything else, searching for which ships are the most "pure" over what the story is about or what their dynamics actually are; you say there are so many characters to ship these characters with writing wise, but is it writing wise actually? Or are you just looking for "not problematic" ships, and claiming it makes sense for the story bc it doesnt include anything anyone could consider abuse, mean, or dirty? Do you really think these characters work better with others, or are you scared of it looking like a stereotype when shipping?

I am tired of this idea that queer stories need to be a reflection of what "good relationships" should be; I think bkdk for example are really good actually, and its wild to see them as just bully-victim relationship, but thats not the point: why do we have to focus only on "clean" representation in the first place? No interesting dynamics, no bad relationships that grow past that, no play onto queer problematic themes, just "feel good, PG representation". Just digestible, just simple, just a literal representation we are supposed to imitate. Wtf? Stories arent meant to be exclusively rule books, and while yes theres a problem with romanticizing toxic relationships in yaoi and yuri, so is in het romance. Its not a queer thing, its a problem we clearly see with hetero romances in manga too, both in shoujo and shonen, so why is it good that we "dont" get these queer ships but good "woman stays as her 16 year old self waiting for a guy who actually never payed attention to her nor noticed her absence after years of not talking, with her needing hallucinations from that serial killer in order to agree to talk to him more", is good? Why are WE the ones that need to be clean and proper and healthy and nice and good and morally pure, why are WE the ones considered as inherently wrong the moment you add complexity, the moment you do something that isnt "they are good friends, and now they are dating"? Why cant we play with the ideas historical stereotypes give us, in order to create our own interpretations outside of what's literal for the real world? Why am I supposed to ignore how vampires, cannibalism, love and imitation are queer shit? Why am I supposed to read all of these themes as not valid, as inherently wrong, when we are talking about a piece of media that knows about these literary tropes?

This isnt about making abuse cute or good, or representing these things in a disrespectful way, bc these characters do so much to be more than that -its not that katsuki and deku would date without addressing shit about the past, bc katsuki constantly thinks about it and keeps it in mind in order to be better, for himself and for izuku, so why is it problematic when their dynamic isnt toxic, and Izuku's bigger issues have always gone beyond Katsuki's bullying? Being canon is also not about literal dating in my opinion, but clearly sharing those feelings for each other, and you may not like it, but Himiko loved Ochako and Ochako loved Himiko. Yes, while she is a serial killer, yes, while killing is wrong, yes yes and yes. Their relationship is complex bc those facts enter in conflict, which only makes the dynamic tragic and interesting.

Am I supposed to dislike it bc its "problematic"? Bc you consider it "darker"? Maybe start watching actual queer things, made by queer ppl, and you'll realize we dont need to look "good", or enjoy stories that are a plain romance. Maybe Rocky Horror Picture Show will give you a heart attack, bu we cant go back into puritanism -bc thats what this is, tf you mean bkdk is problematic and you are glad it isnt canon bc of it? Bkdk? Bkdk?????? Of all ships you draw the line at bkdk???? BKDK???? The ship where two ppl are basically soulmates in canon, explicitly need each other for the story to even work, explicitly are their closest persons, get no actual label except for osanajimi, lose their mind if the other is hurting, and work extremely hard to be better for the other? That's the problematic ship, bc katsuki was a dumb little shit, who is portrayed as a literal chihuahua, and serves as a contrast of how actual abusers like AFO and Endeavor, bc hes better than that and actually cares about the person he hurt? That's the ship that would haunt you if it was canon??? How am I supposed to not read this as puritanism and being scared of making "bad" representation?

[ravenclod]

DISC: this 'essay' is NOT hating on madohomu, or hating on people for shipping them. nor is it hating on Homura, or implying that her actions should be changed. It is simply an opinion from someone who loves Homura's character who also ships Madohomu, and just wants to rant about things i feel are ignored by the fandom. Please read the full thing before reblogging or replying with your opinions so i dont need to repeat myself.

Maybe I'm just a hater, but I don't understand how people can look at Homura and just excuse everything she’s done, especially in regards to Madoka, because she "actually loved everyone!” and "Is traumatised" and "It’s just toxic yuri!". It feels like a complete ignorance of her character and disregards the complexity and depth of her writing.

Now, obviously, I don't mean when people make jokes about it, I get that, but it’s when people genuinely don't acknowledge how madohomu is unhealthy and homura is a bad person. That is quite literally the whole point.

I'm aware that she does care about the other girls, which is why she didn't try to kill Mami in rebellion, and just acted like the others didn't matter throughout the show because she was all out of hope and had to concentrate on the one thing keeping her sane, which was Madoka. But that is exactly my point. That obsessiveness, that reliance on one singular person [ who is also largely unaware of the reason for said reliance ] is incredibly unhealthy. It is unhealthy. It is toxic. I'm not saying homura is abusive, like some people have, because she absolutely is not, but she is obsessive to the point of being unable to see madoka in a negative way. Even when she criticises her it’s from a "you're so stupid you can’t tell that people love you/you’re so stupid for doing this you're gonna get hurt" point of view, rather than the view of "oh you are genuinely naïve and mess up like everyone". [1] This in turn harms both of them, as she is putting her on a pedestal which Madoka will feel guilty for being on and worry about upholding, and it ruins Homura as she will simply spiral further into this unhealthy mindset.

She takes her [ Madoka’s ] word to the extreme, the word of which has no form of context and is speaking from the equivalent of the naïve Madoka that we see in the first episode. Homura then uses that to justify what she goes on to do during Rebellion, which in turn harms Madoka. when she rips Madoka from herself, I understand it's to avoid the incubators getting to her, and it is very in character, but she still actively harmed Madoka, and went against her wish to save all magical girls [ from becoming witches ] at least, in part.

Her obsessiveness does then leech off and affect everyone else, because she is also friends with them and does care for them. They begin to lose respect and gain upset over Homura, as she is now a girl who has one goal and throws them to the side to achieve this, not attempting to make genuine connections and discarding those which she does have - namely Kyoko in the show. This behaviour affects the other girls in the obvious sense of they die quicker and more frequently as Homura is no longer attempting to intervene; affecting Madoka too, as she ends up getting stressed about her friends not getting along, before then having the trauma of seeing her friends die. [ This is not to put the blame on Homura as it happens regardless, but the point is for everyone else, it will seem like Homura could have helped, even if it was out-with her power.] This will harm Homura as a result, for it will plague her how she treats her friends like this, and will only cause her self-esteem to plummet further than it already has.

Additionally, there are points where she could be argued to be manipulative, which is up to personal judgement, but it is worth noting. Obviously, it would not be from her own awareness or intention, but it is still a plausible outcome of her actions - i.e., the way she speaks to Madoka in the show, almost threatening her before then sobbing over her and acting like she is the most important girl in the world, [2] which, keep in mind, will be weird for Madoka as she barely knows this girl. This isn't to say Homura's actions aren’t understandable, especially in the show, but that doesn't remove the negative impact that they have. Homumado may be cute, and it is cute, especially pre-timeloop, but the reality is, even now, it wouldn't work without years and years of couple therapy.

I also am going to mention kyosaya, as they are also unhealthy, and I know someone may try to bring up how I love them so much in spite of this fact. They are definitely not the most healthy relationship, literally trying to kill each other in a fight in the first episode they met. It is practically impossible to ship characters in this show and have a healthy relationship [ with maybe the exception of madosaya pre-timelooping ]. However, the difference between kyosaya and madohomu is my general issue altogether, which isn't that the ships are unhealthy, but rather the way the fandom treats them in regards to them being such.

Kyosaya is known for being enemies to lovers, its known for being unhealthy and its known for being liked in the theory of "oh this is what they could have been, had they been given more time to understand each other.". It is also an equal relationship, there are no forms of power dynamic between the two, both are equally vulnerable; both hate the other at the start, and respect and care for one another at the end - as seen in rebellion. Even when Kyoko is stronger than Sayaka, that's cancelled out by Sayaka's determination and healing properties.

Homumado, on the other hand, are known for being equally doomed, but in the sense of "Oh Homura will never save Madoka, Madoka will always die, they can never be together.". There is never that acknowledgement that they wouldn't work, even if by some miracle the looping ended. There is simply too much that has happened. The only possible scenario is arguably one in which Madoka stays as Madokami, and Homura stays as the devil, for at least both have equal memories of all that has transpired, but even that has huge issues due to Homura's abandonment issues and obsessiveness toward madoka. There is also, unlike in kyosaya, a large power imbalance, which goes both ways at different points.

In the main show, this is heavy on Homura, as she knows so much about Madoka, she's seen her at her best and worst, and she knows all that will happen. She is also stronger than her, as for the most part Madoka is not a magical girl, and is unable to do anything to prevent her friends’.

Flip that to when Madoka is god however, and she is now the topheavy one, as she is fully aware of everything that has transpired. and Homura is so obsessive. If madoka were anyone else, it could very quickly turn bad with Madoka manipulating Homura's infatuation - which obviously isn't an issue as madoka is so nice, but you get my point.

It is a point though that homura still has power over madoka, especially considering her removal of "Madoka" from "Madokami". She technically has a part madoka all for herself, and has relative power over that for the time being. No one is able to do anything. It’s almost like she’s controlling a doll, except the doll is a piece of madoka she’s refusing to let return to the rest of her.

This is what I mean when I say there is no form of permanent equity between the two, while kyosaya are a yin and yang of give and take, madohomu are simply always off balance. Which is why they're so unhealthy.

Again, that doesn't mean they're not a good ship. That doesn't mean they're not cute, and they don't deserve to be together. It could 10000% work out, just as kyosaya is also toxic but could still work out. My issue isn't with the ship, the writing, or the characters, but rather the disregard to the discussions surrounding it.

To paint Homura as a "cute girl who's a bit obsessed” is a disservice to the complexities of her actions and her humanity, as again, she is a heavily traumatised 14 year old girl. Her actions are realistic, her actions make sense. But her actions aren’t good. This is not a critique on Homura, but a critique of the denial that she has done these bad things. denying as such waters her down and mischaracterizes her. It defeats the point of her as a character.

After all, she is the devil. She’s not intended to be nice.

[1] - "How stupid can you possibly be" - episode 5

[2] - fountain scene, episode 8, where she breaks down in front of madoka