#hxh theories

[moretheta]

WAIT IS THIS WHY THEY SAID HALKENBURG WAS CLOSE WITH TSERRIEDNICH!?!?!?!??!!

wait it's all coming together coming together... assuming tserri is in fact unma's REAL child, maybe he found out and tried to get close to halkenburg.... or just tried to fuck with him. idk but wow. wow. rereading those earlier chapters is crazy

[lightfeltmemories]

hxh theory: is feitan a p3d0phile?

tw's: mentions of l0l1c0n, paraphilia, p3d0philia, sadism and torture because its fucking feitan, cp (debatable if you consider l0l1c0n cp), mentions of problematic hxh ships such as feitan x kalluto and hisoka x gon

just a note: before you come at me with your pitchforks leaving hate in my asks and dms, i am not a fan of l0l1c0n nor am i trying to defend it, this post is a simple theory i have gathered by evidence in the manga, no one is saying that you should believe this theory, it's more of a "do with this information what you will" kind of thing.

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so, you may be reading this title and you're thinking "what the actual fuck?" and you probably believe that i pulled this straight out of the deepest parts of my ass, but what if i told you i had some plausible evidence for this theory?

so, for starters, this thought actually came to me when i was reading a post by a user on here named @/cautionworks (i'm not going to tag them here because i don't know them nor do i want to seem like a bother) who made a post relating to their favorite ships (warning as the post does contain problematic ships such as hisogon and such, not saying in particular im against the ship, im just giving out a warning to anyone who is triggered by minor x adult ships) and there was a ship listed as feitan x kalluto.

in the passage it mentions that they found out that feitan may be into l0l1, which at first thought was a bit strange but once you think about it more, the concept isn't the most absurd for someone like him.

i haven't seen anyone actually talk about feitan possibly being into l0l1c0n, much less being a p3do, probably because of the anti's in the fandom.

so, lets get on with the actual evidence!

in the yorknew city arc, after he was done torturing the owl, he is seen reading a book by an author named trevor brown, and as stated on his hunterpedia page, trevor is a controversial artist who's work involves paraphilia; atypical sexual urges.

according to trevor's wikipedia page, "His work explores paraphilias, such as lolicon, ero guro, BDSM, and other fetish themes. Innocence, violence, misogyny, and Japanese popular culture all collide in Brown's art."

there is also a reddit post relating to this topic as well, and according to said post the topic was popular on tik tok at a certain period in time (not very important but i thought it was kind of interesting since im a tik tok user and content creator kind of)

so, does this make feitan a p3d0phile? i can see why people would think so, and i can also see why people wouldn't.

why i would is simple; trevor brown's art speaks for itself, the usage of fictional little girls in... lets just say, VERY interesting situations would make one assume off rip that feitan may be a p3d0phile, or at least a l0l1con, not to mention, togashi isn't afraid of making a character like this especially since we have hisoka (not saying hisoka is a p3d0, but many do, and im just trying to prove a point and give an example as to why the concept of feitan being a p3d0 isn't something completely out of the ordinary, hxh does get pretty dark after all).

why i wouldn't: i've seen some arguments that feitan may not hold the same views as trevor despite him doing some questionable things, similar to how people may like a certain character or even person in real life but not agree with everything they say or do, not to mention he doesn't seem to act weird or overly charming with kids like hisoka, he certainly isn't afraid to hurt or torture one (gon) but theres no actual implications outside of him reading this book by a controversial artist that he is sexually attracted to them.

but in my personal opinion, unless specified by togashi himself, or given any more details about how he feels about such things i wouldn't go as far as to call feitan a p3d0 just because he's seen reading a book by someone known to create l0l1 art, hell, he might be reading a book that doesn't include anything relating to p3d0philia, since the cover art isn't explicitly shown.

[gab-has-adhd]

What the heck is going on on the Black Whale with Hisoka, Illumi and the Phantom Troupe

(Based on ideas and theories I saw and also my own dumb brain)

Illumi was actually Hisoka disguised as Illumi. His powered-up nen now allows him to be able to completely camouflage himself under layers of Bungee Gun and Texture Surprise.

Illumi was Illumi, but the Hisoka we see later going to the movies and talking to Hinrigh was actually Chrollo im disguise for some reasons (I've read and watched an explanation for this theory and I thought it did somewhat make sense but honestly I forgor and I'm not a fan of this theory)

Illumi and Hisoka are actually just themselves and they are eeally actually going to attempt killing the other, and potentially kill each other for fun, because they're fucked up gay murderous husbands. If Illumi dies Hisoka will not actually miss him but he'd have had the best fight of jos life after Chrollo. If Hisoka dies Illumi will first pretend he doesn't miss him, but very slowly descends into a more and more unhinged and unstable mental state, because he killed his only friend, the one he strayed fr the path of the assassin for (because of? Thanks to?)

Illumi is a double agent pretending he joined the Phantom Troupe to help them kill Hisoka. In that case: either Illumi actually also wants to kill Hisoka, but before this they have a little game of whack-a-Spider, or Illumi is fully on Hisoka's side and intends to help him squashing all the Spiders, going as far as ending up saying "Zoldycks aren't allowed to kill each other", referring to their marriage and the fact that Hisoka is now technically a Zoldyck.

Togashi will surprise all of us with something that absolutely no one even considered.

[grimeye-j]

I feel like, now that he works as a bodyguard, Kurapika is going to be put in a situation where he will have to chose between retrieving the scarlet eyes or saving someone's life (maybe the queen, one of the princes or one of the other hunters)

He would have to decide what's more important to him, the dead or the living, his past or his present/future.

[babyilluwu]

Thank youuu!!! I think I'm more inclined towards the 2nd theory (tho I love the detail about them knowing that Chrollo knows and it all becoming a VERY complex mind game), and I think it's worth mentioning the fact he has a VIP ticket 👀 is it just a "Zoldycks are rich" thing or?

@babyilluwu

Illumi!

Illumi is the first chatacter I'll talk about that we've seen recently. Allegedly, he's married to hisoka and stands to gain a great deal of money from this arrangement when he kills Hisoka.

I personally ascribe to the theory that Hisoka is currently disguised as Illumi and Illumi is currently disguised as Hisoka. The marriage proposal sounds like a very Hisoka lie. Needlessly flirtatous I would say, and that describes Hisoka to a T.

Illumi as Hisoka however is pretty stern, and makes expressions similar to those of Illumi. He never lies, merely avoids the question and does not directly answer to Hisoka. He's very strong and pretty evil, but that's all we know about "Hisoka."

Tbh the future holds the camera cutting back to Illumi and he's balls deep in with hisoka while they casually talk about plans to kill the spiders, then swap places as each person resumes their real identity, foreseeing Chrollo foreseeing that Illumi was secretly Hisoka, and attacking with a plan to counter Hisoka that faulters in the face of Illumi.

Basically, they're swapped but I think Chrollo has already figured it out and his plan involves Bonolonov and Machi, whose abilities are bad against Hisoka, finding Illumi disguised as Hisoka and fighting him to eliminate Illumi, Hisokas only help, only to be surpised when Hisoka is really Hisoka.

ALTERNATIVELY

if Illumi is really who he says, his methods are circuitous. If he really wanted to find Hisoka, he would probably best be served sticking to a group of spiders, following them until a lead presented itself, then ditch once it did.

Instead he chooses to travel with his younger sibling, someone trustable and obedient with passable information gathering capacities. If I had to guess, Illumi is telling the truth but not the whole truth. He is searching for Hisoka, but that's a second or third priority to a larger family project. Perhaps one of the Kakin Princes has hired the zoldyck in advance, being tipped off to succession war in advance, or at least infurring from it's convience aboard the black whale. The current hot target would likely be morena.

Thank you! Ping me again if you want any others!

[tryingmybestiguess]

"How to talk to short people" by Kacho

[lumizold]

“Feitan is a Zoldyck for sure, he literally looks like Milluki, but slimmer”

I don’t know, buddy…

To me he looks more like Gotoh.

They have the same eyes, Feitan kinda looks like him, but younger and without myopia. To me it’s canon.

…lol.

[nynyhaha]

Tssereidnich is sus af with his line that he desires “works of art made by young people with potential in extraordinary situations.” Basically,acts of gory murder committed by someone he considers interesting.

atp it doesn’t matter how the troupe relates to the massacre,either way their story will be tragic,the question is if it’s a tragedy of misunderstanding and sacrifice,or of becoming as bad as the ones they wanted to destroy.

BECAUSE THE MASSACRE IS WHAT DEFINES THEM AS VILLAINS. We get introduced to them in that context and we start out viewing them as monsters,that later turn out to me much more sympathetic that we could ever anticipate to the point where we question whether they’re guilty at all,since they’ve become so human in our eyes we can’t quite imagine them doing it.THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE IS INSANE. It might just be me,but using HxH standards,so far the troupe hasn’t shown itself to be all that horrible at all.It’s one of many conflicting crime teams so if we never knew about their alleged crimes in the past,we wouldn’t at all perceive them as evil.

so the kurta clan massacre is necessary to set the troupe apart from morally grey hunters and add some weight to their crimes that would otherwise be pretty acceptable in the fans’ eyes(I’m the fans).

If they turn out to be more innocent than we thought it will ruin Kurapika completely and it will be very fun to watch. It would counter the idea of revenge with “what if you’re wrong” and that’s hilarious. Like he lost part of his lifespan FOR NOTHING. It would affirm our ideas about the troupe having some kind of honour code,SOME moral principles still(and they really keep teasing us with those,like most of Phinks lines speaking to characters outside the troupe,or Nobunagas monologue about how they USED to be lost in the darkness and driven by hate,but NOW they’re not like that)

If that happens I’ll pull some shit like “I always believed in you guys!”(when it came to the question whether Chrollo ACTUALLY cares about his members I bet that he did,and I turned out to be RIGHT!)

but in this case i really don’t know and I might actually like it MORE if they ARE at fault. Because otherwise..Uvo and Paku would’ve died because Kurapika misunderstood everything.AND THIS IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE 😃👹👹

LIKE HOW MUCH OF A SCAPEGOAT CAN YOU BE

and yeah I find it weird how on one hand the troupe wants to be feared and they don’t care who comes after them for what reason (they’re fine with being blamed for everything since the world would hate them in any case)

AND ON THE OTHER HAND THEY SAY THEY HAVE REASONS. Like not only does Franklin say they wouldn’t attack those who didn’t start it,Phinks accuses Luini of being a GLUTTON FOR MURDER,Nobunaga goes defending the world!!!🥹💕 Sure they might be hypocrites but they don’t seem to be very delusional or self righteous characters,so it seems they want to appear to have reasons and act according to sow notion of justice. THIS DRIVES ME UP A WALL

do they wanna reveal their fucking motives or are they strategically misunderstood because the worse they’re seen as,the better??

like dudes,stop ruining your bad reputation🙄🤚

ah and if the meteor city motto note really was left by them,then I figure there HAD to be a reason since I don’t think they’d wanna paint the city as unjust when their whole slogan is based on only striking back. The SPIDER might kill arbitrarily as far as the world is concerned,but why involve meteor city?

Hunter x Hunter: Conspiracy theory

this is a big leap and a reach and feeds my narrative satisfaction.

and it involves HEAVY troupe copium and apologist things of that nature.

you've been warned. proceed with a grain of salt.

(also gonna. put it under a break bcs this got long as hell XD)

I think the troupe was not solely responsible for the kurtan massacre and are on the Black Whale 1 to show the one responsible that they aren't going to continue to protect his clean record.

allow me to explain, starting with yorknew.

so i have had this theory knocking around in my head that the yorknew auction was meant to be a sort of finale or huge thing. because that was a big deal right, that's the world mafia they're pissing off.

AND it was weird bcs chrollo wanted everything at the auction. the troupe calls him out on that. and since we all know chrollo is a theatrical bastard, there is a meaning behind everything so this is no different.

so why does he want to declare war on the world mafia.

here's what we know.

meteor city was selling their own people to the mafia for a guarantee of safety from the black market. we don't know if these people went willingly or not but it was why the mafia didn't want to continue to pursue the troupe. the connection between meteor city and the world mafia was very important.

we know a few things changed between the troupe flashback and present day.

a) the troupe gained a reputation. until yorknew, apparently no one knew they were from meteor city.

b) the elders learned how to use nen. at the very least, we know of one counteractive nen ability that was used to protect the city's citizens from unfair indictment. there were probably more but we dont know for sure.

c) the mafia had gotten really comfortable with their connection with meteor city, now relying more on the city than the city relied on it.

chrollo was the one who most likely set up this relationship. it was his promise to set up the city as a hub for criminals so that he could personally witness and sift through the absolute scum of the earth to find sarasa's killers.

so based on all of this:

Yorknew City was meant to be the start of chrollo's grand finale to tear down the criminal infrastructure in meteor city.

but, things happened. and he got his ass beat.

POINT IS: Chrollo organizes his attacks with purpose.

.... SO WHY THE FUCK IS THIS DUMBASS TRYING TO ATTACK THE KAKIN FUCKING EMPIRE.

"attack" being an exaggeration but cmon. stealing from is the same thing as coming over and spitting in their food.

here's where the conspiracy theory comes in.

what if the kurta massacre wasn't exclusively done the troupe.

yes this is the part with the troupe apologist bullshit but hear me out. i have something interesting to share.

so at this point we know the troupe doesn't do petty theft anymore. this isn't just a "hey the kakin empire is rich. lets rob them :D" job. chrollo on a mission.

i saw this on twitter and a single post led down this downward spiral. (images are linked to the post)

so these pages stood out to me. the troupe never starts fights? that sounds stupid. sound goofy even.

but it's true.

or, phrased correctly, the troupe doesn't start fights they don't know how to finish. since chrollo is the head, they all function as his limbs, meaning they share his mentality when approaching combat: he will not take fights he can't guarantee he will win.

that being said, as shown in the pages above, they will ALWAYS pick up the gauntlet. if someone picks a fight with THEM, the entire gang will spin the block. aint no one surviving.

in the succession war arc, they were framed for the murder of a char-r member because luini was a toxic fan.

so here's the hypothetical: what if the troupe was framed for the kurta massacre?

we know their hands aren't clean. uvo, chrollo, phinks and pakunoda all recall the killing, so that's evidence they were there for it.

here's some things I don't understand about the event though.

a) the kurta were supposedly super well hidden, to the point that when kurapika was shown in vol 0/the phantom rouge, there were tribe traditions that forbade anyone that couldn't hide their eyes properly from going outside of the village. this was like. i think 1 year or so before the massacre.

b) when exactly did the eyes become relevant to body part collection? if it is believed that the troupe attacked the clan for the money that the eyes sell for, that means there must have been some already on the market. we dont get confirmation of this

c) how was a process for preserving magic eyes conceived at this time? im flabbergasted.

leaning mostly on point b, the kurta clan must have had previous victims of their scarlet eyed members getting got. which leads to point a, heightened protection of the kurtans with scarlet eyes.

but, as is anything in the hxh world, if there is something rare, there will always be a market for it.

now keep in mind what i said before: the troupe never picks up fights unless they know they can win and unless there's an ulterior motive. money doesn't matter to them, neither does infamy. at this point they're grade A bounties so yeah, neither of those things mean jack shit.

so i raise the idea that was in that twitter post: what if someone framed the spiders for the massacre and they took it in stride. that's free street cred, of course they claim ownership.

but let's go back and analyze, because who in their right mind would pick these randoms.

the kakin empire would. or someone associated with a high seat of power that can't afford to be tainted with something like genocide.

let's look at fourth prince tserreidnich.

im not saying he specifically pointed the finger at the spiders, but he was most likely the benefactor that wanted the scarlet eyes in the first place. he would stop at no means and he lets his people handle the dirty work.

he even has a damn head that is probably also kurtan.

so let's go out on a limb and say that tserreidnich ordered a party of mercenaries to track down the kurta clan so he could expand his collection. but, obviously, the group can't take the blame, so they pin it on the troupe or claim to be the troupe.

and because the troupe was wronged all of those years ago, chrollo is now aiming a full frontal assault against the kakin empire. hisoka is just a side quest. chrollo *remembers* how he was wronged.

so to recap. here's how the theory says the story goes.

the phantom troupe is in lukso province for whatever reason. probably to target the large movement of body part collectors to the region or something completely unrelated.

the 4th prince's team moves into the kurta village and starts taking the eyes. the kurtans successfully fight back and demand to know who they are. they answer, "we're the spiders"

and the kurtans, now hell bent on revenge for their fallen, seek out the troupe and pick a fight. and the troupe being the troupe, pick up the gauntlet no questions asked.

(alt. the kurtans seek out a powerful ally in the troupe to fight back against what we assume are trained human hunters and when they fail, beg to be killed as well)

chrollo at the time doesn't question the interaction. it was a gang of violent vagabonds trying to right a wrong that the troupe didn't even participate in.

it bothers him, just a little bit, that someone would try to frame the troupe for an atrocity that they didn't do. sure, it fit their narrative and added to their reputation, but it bothers him that someone out there had used their name.

but come yorknew, he's confronted with a surviving kurta. and the problem resurfaces.

he has his hands full trying to reroute the course of the yorknew heist and has to cut a lot of his plans short. he still completed his goal and started the process of severing ties between the mafia and meteor city.

but now the kurta are a problem in his life again and once he gets that damn chain out of his chest, he has two things to focus on:

a) getting away from hisoka to gather abilities

b) figuring out how to deal with kurapika

he remembers the kurta and is totally okay with shouldering the blame for their elimination. but that means that he's clearing the name of someone else for free.

and he doesn't do shit for free.

since he doesn't have to worry about meteor city immediately (the 10 dons are dead and the world mafia is in shambles), he can move onto bigger fish.

right now, his goal is to figure out the truth behind the kurtan massacre. and his search leads him to 4th prince tserriednich. a man in possession of eyes that the troupe didn't sell and way more than the 36 total that *should* be on the market.

THAT is why chrollo is picking a fight with the kakin empire. THAT is why he is on the black whale one. he's here to settle a 7 year old score, and if he can take hisoka down at the same time? good for him.

anyway thats my crazy conspiracy theory. there are some wrinkles in here that may be defied by canon reveals later in the story.

but damn would this make sense for why chrollo is on that damn boat. bcs i know he isn't stupid enough to send the ENTIRE TROUPE on a suicide mission just for hisoka.

so unless we get a reveal of something else substantial, this is what i'm working with.

[timeskip]

I'm literally so obsessed with how her legs are hanging off the chair. Someone get her a smaller chair!!!!!!!!

And I'm really happy to see her again in general <3 I love Melody sm

[honk-illumimimimimimimi]

i used to be all for illumis eyes being that way becos overtime as he had to endure more and more torture his eyes jus became completely lifeless and thats y theyre devoid of any color and all black n shit. but i came to the conclusion that that could jus be his thousand yard stare from everything hes had to endure. not that his eyes had "lost all color and life" sorta thing.

its evident that millukis eyes are also as black as his, so the black eyes are definitely a genetic thing (probs from kikyo) but i think the reason illu looks like *that* is jus a case of thousand yard stare from being traumatized beyond belief, and the black eyes jus kinda add onto it. and maybe thats y hes so fucked up compared to the rest of the zoldyck children.

[moretheta]

putting forth my bingo card now so that i may later be vindicated

[jilted-love]

"Killugon is wholesome, Hisogon is problematic" Nah bruh all ships with Gon Freecss are problematic. Gon is problematic. He will blow up his arms, his life, your sanity if you so much as care about him. That "innocent" smile is a lie.

[kaiasky]

I really like Keith saying "if you can show to even one other character whose nen is demon-related, then we can talk demon world theory..." and has to immediately back down. because there's 2+ other confirmed demon users already in the show by yorknew city (kuropika, melody) 3ish more in greed island and chimera (knuckle's nen is a demon don't @ me. its a summoned thing that gets you by contract law), and then literally demon world theory is fully confirmed when we meet the demon and learn that it came from the demon world.

[justin-peudeau]

Whoooooaaa speaking of Benjamin I always hc Benjamin being "killed by a woman", (I always hc Theta being that woman not gonna lie).

He would die so ashamed of himself if it was the case bc like...being killed by a pussy-possessor, by a no-dick user... for real !?!?!?

My man would have the most outraged face in his coffin 😂🤚

Christian Symbolism in the Succession war

We've all seen Chrollo's cross, but there are some other references to biblical stories in the succession war that I think bear mentioning. We're going to start with the most obvious and work our way down to ones I think are a stretch.

Crown of Thorns

Morena's design features a halo or crown of thorns wrapped around her head, similar to classic depictions of the martyrdom of Jesus. The crown of thorns is the ultimate symbol of self sacrifice, the incarnation of the suffering of Jesus on the cross.

Morena's suffering, and perception of the world because of her suffering, makes her view herself as a twisted savior, here to save humanity from itself by purging all of it. In this way, she views herself as a martyr along side Jesus.

If the parallel holds true, I would expect Morena to die after being betrayed by one of her "disciples"

Samson and the Lion

Our first introduction to Prince Benjamin is as he strangles a lion while talking with his brother. This is possible a reference to the biblical story where Samson, looking for a wife, happens upon a lion and, using the power of god (and anime) beats the fuck out of so he can marry a Philistine lady. Later, she begs to know the secret of his power, and after revealing his power come from his uncut hair, she cuts it off in his sleep and turns him over to the Philistines.

Samson is the biblical ideal of strength. His faith is not perfect, his morals are iffy, and he's not the sharpest tool, but he is physically and spiritually powerful. This is emblematic of Benjamin's strong Nen and physical power.

If the parallel holds true, Benjamin will be betrayed by a woman and left to his enemies.

Virgin Mary and Jesus

The virgin Mary and Jesus are symbols of innocence, hope and the future. Woble might be a good allegory for baby jesus, as he is saddled with the sins of others, and while Oito is (probably) not a virgin, she is young, innocent, unwilling to watch people die quietly and fiercely protective of her child.

If the parallel holds true, Woble will become a symbol of hope and purity and, ultimately, not outlive his mother.

[beatle-07]

Pakunoda Extra from Hunter x Hunter Vol. 38