#huntlow anti

[stanlunter]

I somewhat agree with your post about the parallel between Belos and Willow. Hunter needs someone who sees him as equal. But Willow is written to be so forceful. She drags Hunter down with the vines violently just to make him join her team. And I see her clearly SMIRKING when she pulls Hunter down the ground when he tries to leave. That's so similar to how Belos did that to him. I don't know if this is bad writing or not but Willow is written to be forceful and violent. She violates Hunter's boundaries many times and the way she throws Luz, her best friend, so hard that Luz had a head concussion in Understanding Willow makes me uncomfortable.

EXACTLY!!! And it annoys me so much! I just hate people like this and Willow from s2b-s3 makes me feel sooo uncomfortable

People say It's bc "Willow is strong girl, you just can't handle strong girls" and other shit like that, It's so stupid

Since what absolutely ignoring people’s boundaries and disrespecting them = being strong?

There are a lot of strong female characters who don't act like this and I absolutely love them, like Adora, Katara, all AOT girls, Yosano, Lake, Vi, Kagami, Cassandra, Kohaku and etc...

But they really say this about WILLOW, Idk how can anyone like her in s2b-s3. And the worst thing is that toh ROMANTIZES this behavior, like wtf???

[tiny-taffy]

he's so iconic for this

[falling-through-the-sea]

BROTHER!!! LET ME EXPLAIN.

So, first of all. Terrible punctuation. I'm not respecting your opinion nor person a bit just for this reason. Sorry not sorry, it's just a default standard by me I have towards anyone who can't write and never read a book probably in his life. I do it from my childhood, so you don't have to take this one personally.

• autistic - canon where??? It's not. I advise you to learn to use real reasons. This isn't valid.

• I find him attractive. THE WHOLE FANBASE does at this point, he's almost a tumblr sexyman atp lol, he's actually the most simped character from TOH, so what the actual damn, why are you implying people hate on him cuz he's not attractive. he literally is. 80% of the fandom would choose him over anyone else from toh.

• ohhh, so getting abused alone makes person deserve good things now??? Ah, alright, give H/tler some clout too, then, because I heard HE has a tragic backstory. Also Bosha has definitely, too. So this does nothing to prove that huntlow is better than boshalow or whatever its called. I've NEVER seen a person abuse anyone else without a motif of themselves being abused before, and trust me, I've read and experienced a lot of this before. Also Bosha's literally the archytype where you can see that she has strict, popular, wealthy and basically Amity's parents. So that's not an abuse now??? I don't remember the show correctly, maybe they made an appearance, but this alone definitely proves something.

• adopted is a pitiful thing now??? Pls don't infatilise him. I believe he deserves better reasoning than just "he deserves this out of pity and bcs i feel bad about his life. :'(((" lol also that's literally the reason i ship him with luz, she literally never acted anyhow worse than willow, who repeatedly disregarded his opinion and completely changed his character so OOC that Hazbin instagram profiles are sweating. Like the blushing anime girl he turns into around ger is tbh like the second worst thing about the ship. >:( also willow has physically assaulted him with her plants and magic like thrice or so. As a kind of a social underdog who totally related to H. In the moments she completely ignored his opinions and just (literally lmao) dragged him along, it made me very angry and sick. And - also very mad at the writers for not understanding basic concepts as a healthy relationship (i trusted them after the episodes lumity that they have the ability, goddamit) and romantising abuse and bullying.

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[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

hunter and luz: talk about belos and the magic system, open up to each other about their trauma and fears, rescue each other from dire circumstances

hunter and amity: relate to each other as abused children and perfectionists who are afraid of letting people down

hunter and gus: relate to each other’s experiences of being used by people and helps calm each other down in a moment of distress, also finds a common middle ground with a piece of media they both enjoy

hunter and willow, the literal love interests: uhhh both of them are considered half a witch because one of them was a late bloomer and the other is literally disabled?

[divinemiracles]

Am I the only one that thinks Lunter makes more sense than Lumity and Huntlow

It does make more sense. A LOT!

Lumity bonded over the Azura Book Series and Huntlow bonded over sports. But what did Lunter bond over?

Wild Magic, feeling as if they’re worthless in the group, guilt about helping Belos, being misunderstood by their guardian, wanting to make sure everyone’s safe. The list goes on!

Plus the Caleb/Evelyn parallels are PERFECT. Willow only checks one box for being Evelyn, being a witch, and Luz checks SO MANY MORE!

Like, what does that ‘E’ actually stand for, Luz? Evelyn?

And Hunter’s entire character isn’t supposed to be dumbed down to malewife in the end for his relationship! Hunter’s character is more suited to be in a relationship that has actual equality! Who is he the most equal to? Luz!

[antispopausandstuff]

this might be a hot take, but it feels like a light smack on the face to have Lilith as aroace rep and not include Willow.

now, i have no issue with Lilith being aroace. i love Lilith and there's no actual problem with her being labeled as such.

but in comparison to Willow, who hasn't shown true romantic interest or chemistry with anyone until s2-s3 kinda pushed it in there, i do feel a little bit salty as a questioning arospec person.

i don't particularly understand why there has to be one of every type, when the 'romance' between Willow and Hunter negatively affected both of their arcs and sidelined their true character as a whole. to only have Lilith as the aroace character, when she was an antagonist previously, can possibly send a weird message.

maybe none of this really matters and i'm just nitpicking, but i really would've loved to have Willow as the aroace rep too. there doesn't have to be one way or another.

[fandomlife-confessions]

[stanlunter]

The way Hunter turns into an emberessed shy anime "lady in distress" girl every time he's around Willow from a literal soldier makes me wanna cry

I see no difference

[tiny-taffy]

seeing people claim that huntlow is a confirmed couple is so funny to me because like, bitch where??? 😭😭😭

[falling-through-the-sea]

Brother, I- I- I---

*sigh* As a mid sized, objectivelly ugly, neurodivergent (also Hunter being nd??? Confirmed where??? Guys stop pulling diagnoses out of your asses and act like it's written in Bible or smth, its disrespectful towards people who actually have them. If anyone needs to explain this, write me and i'll do gladly.) and with undiagnosted ptsd --- Yeah, I hate Huntlow. Still wanna talk?

[phddyke]

WILLOW BLUSH MOMENT WE GOT IT FOLKS!!

[tiny-taffy]

NO CAUSE FR!! She literally didn’t show any romantic interest in him until for the future. (And it just happens to be the scene after hunter saves her and says nice things to her.) it just seems so forced and fake on her part lmao.

Dunno if this has been said before but all the 'hints' to Willow having a crush on Hunter are literally her just being nice to him. God forbid a teenage girl show basic decency to another teenage boy lest they be shipped together

Yeah, I think I’ve brought it up in the past. Literally every time Willow interacted with him was JUST her being a friend. It’s the exact way she acts with all her friends, he never once got special treatment, but no- now we have to shove all her other friends to the wayside to make room for the pretty white boy. You know, like always! 🙃 God, Willow, didn’t you know you can’t be nice to boys or the straights (and people with bad taste or no literary comprehension) start foaming at the mouth. I really, really didn’t think Dana would let that type of thing (I.e. teen boys and girls not being friends unless they’re going to date) slide in TOH and if she does, I’m extremely disappointed. But I will say, maybe I’m delusional, but I’m still holding out hope that in the last ep it’s confirmed friendship only, or Willow says something like she’s not ready for a relationship, or whatever. With Dana deleting the retweeted art that said they were “canon”, maybe that’s possible. I’ve gotta say my expectations are extremely low at this point, because all the crew has done regarding their characters this season has really disappointed me already (mostly just Willow, but).

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

now while i do not like huntlow and i think their relationship was rushed and unnecessary, i do see a lot of critics making it out to be a lot worse than it actually was.

i see people throwing around the words "abusive" and "toxic" nilly-willy, saying that willow became "too soft" because she had to be rescued by hunter once, saying that willow is exactly like belos because of a few parallels, etc.

even the whole take about "hunter calls willow 'captain' because he sees her as an authority figure" is far-fetched imo. i'm sure it was just supposed to be an inside joke turned cute nickname, i seriously don't think it's that deep.

while it's fine to dislike a ship, you don't have to make up reasons to justify your opinion. i promise you, you can just dislike something because of existing reasons or even for no reason at all.

[anastasia-queen]

The way the Owl House Fanbase reacts towards Lunter & Huntlow.

A ship should complement the story, but it shouldn't be the main focus or derive the narrative, especially for a character concluding their development arc. (Huntlow)

It has been a while since I made an Owl House post. Anyway, I enjoy this meme.

[xan-the-emo-trans-man]

does anyone else think Huntlow is overrated or am I the only one

[hikaaa-bi]

whenever someone says they dislike huntlow, the usual comeback from toxic huntlow fans is that “you're a misogynist and you don't want to see the woman in a relationship being stronger”. so i want to address this issue today. is huntlow bad only because willow is stronger than hunter and isn't a damsel in distress?

in my opinion, absolutely not. that's not the case. i myself am a fan of subverted tropes and relationships where the woman isn't just a passive damsel with no personality. i like seeing independent women and i like seeing men being vulnerable for once.

to demonstrate my point on why huntlow doesn't pull off this trope well, let me compare it to a ship with a similar dynamic: sokka and suki from avatar the last airbender.

let's go through each of the reasons why sukka works as a ship where huntlow fails.

1. Does it make sense for the characters?

the first question here is: do the roles of the strong independent woman and weaker man suit these characters?

sokka was introduced as.. just a guy. he was a regular teenager who wasn't trained in combat. he could fight well enough if he wanted to and being the only man in a village full of mostly children and elders, he was the best warrior in his village (if we are even to believe his claims in s1, that is).

suki, on the other hand, was a trained warrior. she had spent her whole life training in combat and fighting to continue kyoshi's legacy. in her very first appearance, suki is confirmed to be a skilled warrior who is much stronger than sokka.

this setup makes perfect sense. it wouldn't come as a surprise later on that suki is stronger or a better fighter than sokka, and would have to rescue him or help him out in a moment of crisis.

now let's come to huntlow. in s2, hunter is introduced as the emperor's right-hand man who is young but powerful. while most of his intimidation factor came from his artificial staff, it was clear that he was not an amateur and had decent combat skills.

this assumption is only solidified when we see him go head to head with amity, only losing because 1. he was using a new staff 2. he was sleep deprived and 3. he was in an extremely erratic emotional state.

willow, on the other hand, was the sokka in this relationship. she was a regular teenager who grew up in a normal family and went to a regular magic high school.

she was certainly incredibly skilled in plant magic but she was not a trained child soldier like hunter. she had a lot of potential to be a good fighter but she had only recieved the education that every other student had recieved. not to mention, most of her stronger magic came from her emotional outbursts.

so.. does the whole girlboss-malewife dynamic work with huntlow? no. it really doesn't. even if willow trained and grew as a witch, there's no reason why she should be stronger and more skilled in combat than hunter, who had to pass seemingly impossible trials in order to qualify as the golden guard. especially since after the first half of s2, hunter was not only weaker than willow but just weak in general.

i get it, he doesn't have natural magic like the others. but he was still shown to be a very competent fighter. he was also shown to be cunning and strategic, being able to find a way out of any situation if he wanted to. but after joining the hexsquad, he is dumbed down to willow's shy and pathetic boyfriend, who doesn't really do much on his own.

2. are they in character when in a relationship?

when writing a relationship, this is really important. if you write a relationship where one or both characters have to act wildly out of character to make sense for the relationship to happen, those characters are not compatible. it's like when your friend acts uncomfortably different around their crush or partner.

let's start with sokka and suki.

sokka is goofy, cynical and quick-witted, with or without suki. his relationship with suki doesn't drastically change his character, but it does improve it. suki helps sokka change his misogynistic worldviews and respect women, but apart from that necessary improvement, sokka is still the same. he is not out of character when he is with suki.

as for suki herself, we don't see a lot of her away from sokka but it's still safe to assume that she is being herself around sokka. she is not forced into a new role in order to be in a relationship with sokka. the times we do see her on her own, she is pretty much the same rational, independent and nonchalant person that she is around sokka.

and yet, both of them have incredible chemistry and very clearly care for each other. it's not one-sided and it doesn't feel unnatural.

but huntlow?

hunter is introduced as a sarcastic and bratty but deeply traumatized teenager. he is quick to start a banter with whoever he is with, he tends to talk too much, and he generally has a nonchalant attitude to cover up with trauma.

but with willow? hunter is not just shy or awkward around her, he is a completely different person. i can understand that being attracted to a person can make you act strangely sometimes. but with hunter, that awkwardness never fades away. he is always blushing around her, he is often portrayed as pathetic and helpless, and constantly needing willow's support and guidance.

as for willow, she is introduced as this insecure and good-natured teenager. after her confrontation with amity, willow is pushed to the back for a while. all we know about her at that time is that she's the supportive mom friend of the group. she builds her confidence after a while but she is still shown as a kind person who doesn't use force on someone else, unless necessary.

but with hunter? willow is suddenly not just confident but also dominant and forceful. she basically snatches him from the sky and drags him to the ground, just to invite him to her flyer derby team. hunter is practically terrified at this point, but it's played off as a fun cute-meet. later, when hunter wants to leave the team for understandable reasons, instead of respecting his wishes, willow once again forces him to join her again.

i wouldn't call willow toxic or abusive, because she isn't. but i would say that she didn't respect hunter's boundaries in the slightest. she doesn't treat anyone else the way she treats hunter. she's not exactly mean to him but she also does not seem to respect him as an individual. again, she is written wildly out of character just so that she could fulfil the role of the “powerful girlboss” in the relationship. and it doesn't help that a dominant and forceful figure is the last thing hunter needs, considering how he was controlled and abused by his uncle his whole life.

3. Equality

it is my opinion that in a relationship, both individuals should play an important role. and they should balance each other out, instead of clashing with each other. it doesn't necessarily have to be an “opposites attract” situation, they just need to have qualities that brings a balance to the relationship.

in sokka's and suki's relationship, we've already established that suki is the brawn. she's the trained warrior and her agility, skill and speed are her strengths. sokka, on the other hand, is the brains. suki is still a rational and smart person but sokka is the strategist, the “idea guy”.

here, there's a balance. neither sokka nor suki are weak or incompetent, they're just skilled in different areas.

but when it comes to huntlow, willow is the brawn while hunter.. does close to nothing. after meeting willow, he's basically useless. the most impactful thing he does is stand up against belos in “Thanks to Them” and rescue willow from a short fall in the next episode. otherwise, he is mostly pushed to the back despite, again, having a personality and his own strengths prior to meeting willow. the problem here isn't that hunter shouldn't be weak or vulnerable, but rather that he is forced into the damsel role when it goes against his original character.

4. Screentime, interaction and development

one thing that huntlow and sukka had in common is neither ship had too much screentime together. suki wasn't officially part of the gaang until s3 and before that, she just gets two interactions with sokka. but these interactions were used to their fullest potential.

when they first meet each other, sokka and suki do not get along well. sokka was convinced that women aren't good warriors and his pride is hurt by the fact that suki is stronger than him, while suki is understandably put off by sokka's misogynistic and condescending attitude. after he tries to teach her how to fight and is consequently defeated by her, sokka rethinks his worldview. he goes back to suki and asks her to teach him how to fight, apologizing and admitting his mistake. suki agrees to teach him and through this, they bond. it is revealed at the end of the episode that both sokka and suki may or may not have a thing for each other. afterwards, sokka has to leave and suki has to stay behind.

their next meeting is a lot more brief but even here, we see a clear demonstration of their dynamic. sokka is overjoyed to see suki but he still hasn't moved on from yue, so when suki confesses to him and tries to initiate a kiss, sokka rejects her. suki apologizes to him later for what happened, and sokka kisses her as a confirmation that he has now moved on and likes her back. we see a clear respect of boundaries and personal choices from both sides.

finally, after suki is captured by azula, sokka frees her and they are reunited again until the end. at this point, they're basically a couple. there's no more awkward blushing or stuttering; they're just a pair of teenagers who are in love with each other. they have a bit of playful banter and they're very casual and comfortable around each other.

suki was originally supposed to be a one-time character so it's incredible that they pulled off on the best ships in atla with her and sokka. their chemistry was undeniable from the beginning, and the writers knew how to expand on it.

now let's come to huntlow. hunter and willow meet each other for the first time in the s2b episode ‘Any Sport in a Storm’. willow is looking for candidates to join her flyer derby team and she sees hunter flying on his palisman. completely unprovoked, the willow who normally never attacked or forced something on people for no reason, decides that the best way to scout this random guy she doesn't know is by encasing him in vines and dragging him to the ground, destroying the concrete in the process. this may have been portrayed as something of a slapstick comedy, but that kind of humor never stuck with me.

after willow explains herself to hunter, he agrees to join her team, thinking it would be an easy way to recruit students into the emperor's coven. fast forward, they get a few members to their group.

hunter notices that all of these members are visibly slacking off and gets discouraged. he turns to leave and willow stops him in his tracks. when she tells him to give them a chance, hunter ‘opens up’ to her a little, by telling her that he had to earn chances, especially as a “half a witch”. this comes out of nowhere because we never see hunter being referred to as half a witch by anyone prior to this. there were certainly characters who disliked him, like lilith and kikimora, but they called him names like “golden brat”. in fact, it's not even clear if anyone other than hunter and belos knows that he has no magic. the whole half a witch line was added so that hunter and willow would have something in common.

willow, instead of reasoning with hunter or respecting his choice to leave, drags him to the ground once again and seemingly teleports him back to the flyer derby team. while this may not have been done with malicious intent, it was still another instance of willow invading hunter's boundaries and forcing him to do something.

hunter is convinced that the team is, in fact, competent. he plays the game with them and has fun doing it. after getting the team captured to join the emperor's coven and saving them from darius, the episode ends with darius turning out to be the good guy and hunter getting a penstagram (or whatever they call it, i forgot).

after this, the huntlow scenes are very scarce. we barely see them interact, especially not alone with each other. in the next episode, we see willow standing up for hunter and hunter blushing and recognizing that the fake willow isn't willow. while this would be sweet for an already established couple, since hunter and willow barely had a bond at this point, it just comes off as hunter being observant. which is somewhat in character for him.

afterwards, there's just a sprinkle of this ship, most of it consisting of hunter being shy and nervous around willow. and willow treating him like she treats everyone else. there's no sign of willow liking hunter back until literally the episode before the finale. where, instead of focusing on hunter's recent trauma with being possessed by his abusive parent and losing his best friend, the show decides to focus on willow's issues instead. of course willow deserves her own arc, but she already got it back in s1. there was no reason to give her ANOTHER issue to work on, just so that hunter can comfort her and give her a reason to like him back.

overall, it was really forced and these two characters never had the kind of natural chemistry that sokka and suki did. their interactions were either awkward or surface-level wholesome. we get exactly two (2) episodes where they interact properly and even that isn't done well. it just feels like these characters were pushed into a ship dynamic that they didn't naturally fit into.