#huntlow anti

[stanlunter]

I somewhat agree with your post about the parallel between Belos and Willow. Hunter needs someone who sees him as equal. But Willow is written to be so forceful. She drags Hunter down with the vines violently just to make him join her team. And I see her clearly SMIRKING when she pulls Hunter down the ground when he tries to leave. That's so similar to how Belos did that to him. I don't know if this is bad writing or not but Willow is written to be forceful and violent. She violates Hunter's boundaries many times and the way she throws Luz, her best friend, so hard that Luz had a head concussion in Understanding Willow makes me uncomfortable.

EXACTLY!!! And it annoys me so much! I just hate people like this and Willow from s2b-s3 makes me feel sooo uncomfortable

People say It's bc "Willow is strong girl, you just can't handle strong girls" and other shit like that, It's so stupid

Since what absolutely ignoring people’s boundaries and disrespecting them = being strong?

There are a lot of strong female characters who don't act like this and I absolutely love them, like Adora, Katara, all AOT girls, Yosano, Lake, Vi, Kagami, Cassandra, Kohaku and etc...

But they really say this about WILLOW, Idk how can anyone like her in s2b-s3. And the worst thing is that toh ROMANTIZES this behavior, like wtf???

[tiny-taffy]

he's so iconic for this

[falling-through-the-sea]

BROTHER!!! LET ME EXPLAIN.

So, first of all. Terrible punctuation. I'm not respecting your opinion nor person a bit just for this reason. Sorry not sorry, it's just a default standard by me I have towards anyone who can't write and never read a book probably in his life. I do it from my childhood, so you don't have to take this one personally.

• autistic - canon where??? It's not. I advise you to learn to use real reasons. This isn't valid.

• I find him attractive. THE WHOLE FANBASE does at this point, he's almost a tumblr sexyman atp lol, he's actually the most simped character from TOH, so what the actual damn, why are you implying people hate on him cuz he's not attractive. he literally is. 80% of the fandom would choose him over anyone else from toh.

• ohhh, so getting abused alone makes person deserve good things now??? Ah, alright, give H/tler some clout too, then, because I heard HE has a tragic backstory. Also Bosha has definitely, too. So this does nothing to prove that huntlow is better than boshalow or whatever its called. I've NEVER seen a person abuse anyone else without a motif of themselves being abused before, and trust me, I've read and experienced a lot of this before. Also Bosha's literally the archytype where you can see that she has strict, popular, wealthy and basically Amity's parents. So that's not an abuse now??? I don't remember the show correctly, maybe they made an appearance, but this alone definitely proves something.

• adopted is a pitiful thing now??? Pls don't infatilise him. I believe he deserves better reasoning than just "he deserves this out of pity and bcs i feel bad about his life. :'(((" lol also that's literally the reason i ship him with luz, she literally never acted anyhow worse than willow, who repeatedly disregarded his opinion and completely changed his character so OOC that Hazbin instagram profiles are sweating. Like the blushing anime girl he turns into around ger is tbh like the second worst thing about the ship. >:( also willow has physically assaulted him with her plants and magic like thrice or so. As a kind of a social underdog who totally related to H. In the moments she completely ignored his opinions and just (literally lmao) dragged him along, it made me very angry and sick. And - also very mad at the writers for not understanding basic concepts as a healthy relationship (i trusted them after the episodes lumity that they have the ability, goddamit) and romantising abuse and bullying.

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[mayandjuly1811]

I DISLIKE HUNTER'S FAVORITISM

Lilith is so based for this. Hunter gets special treatment from not only in the Emperor's coven but also in the entire show, crew and fandom.

The crew also loves the idea of giving him more trauma and focus. During livestreams and talk shows, there are always questions about him, even more than King - one of the main characters.

In the show, many point out that the first letters of the episodes in which he appears with the Hexsquad is an acronym for H-E-A-L (Hunting Palismen, Eclipse Lake, Any Sports in A Storm, Labyrinth Runner). It means the Hexsquad, even Luz, the main character, is a plot device for his arc. I also knew that Hunter was written to stay at the Owl House after the whole event of Hollow Mind. Imagine him staying with the main characters of the show, having them comforting him, center around him. It will be the same with how the Hexsquad is written to be centered around him as his support system again, specifically Gus and Willow. Undoubtedly, the show intended to make him one of the main characters so obviously that it isn't subtle anymore.

- Luz: the main character of the show. In season 2B, Hunter replaces Luz as their new best friend in the trio. Like seriously? Even though Luz is dating Amity, she can still have spare time for her friends. But the writers don't care, so Hunter will have more time with Willow and Gus. It paints Luz in a bad light as someone who throws her friendship away once she finds love. It's OOC of Luz. Never thought a main character could get such bad writing treatment.

The nightmare sequence is also unreasonable. While others’ resentment towards Luz sounds more logical, Hunter's isn't, at least to me. I don't get why the writers wrote Luz thinking Hunter get mad of her like this “I lost him helping you.” Who helps who actually? He came to Luz's place first. He was the one asking Luz for help and not the other way around. He literally ran away first and intended to face Belos alone despite Luz's calling. Even though Luz is self-blaming, her interaction in the nightmare sequence with Hunter makes no sense.

- Next is Amity: I was expecting Amity to have more screen time with Willow, since I'm not satisfied with how their friendship is written. But alas, if Luz, the main character, doesn't even have any episodes ever since Hunter appears, how could Amity - a side character - can?

The writing flaw is obvious in her rekindled friendship with Willow. The way Amity views Willow's strength is negatively retconned. In Understanding Willow, she says that she didn't think of Willow as weak. In the next episode, she even cooperates with Willow and Luz to compete against Boscha. Grudgeby is a dangerous sport, and Boscha is a tough competitor who has won several cups. Obviously, Willow proves her strength there, shows her magic and even scores the last goal. Amity sees it all. In season 1, it's going in the right direction, Amity acknowledges that Willow isn't weak and even cooperates with her. She never tries to stop Willow from competing with the excuse of thinking her weak. But in Labyrinth Runner, she gets done dirty so bad. The writers intend to show that she's overprotective of Willow and wants to protect her, but by what way? Trying to make up for the times when she can't stand up for Willow in the past? No, by underestimating her. This makes no sense compared to how she's written in season 1. This scene, when Amity says that the guards are tough, and not anyone can stand up to them, her lines can be added up like “Willow, you just got kidnapped by them and I'm worried about you. I faced the Scouts before, and they were quite tough, so I got thrown down the pit by one.” It would be better than writing her as underestimating Willow's strength! Oh and I hate the irritating scene “Good luck, Willow”. They could have just written Amity asking Willow if she was okay.

Why Amity is retconned like that? I strongly believe that Amity is flanderized as someone who underestimates Willow's strength to uplift Hunter, who admires and appreciates her strength despite only meeting her once. I already saw “Willow forgives Hunter faster because he sees her as strong while Amity sees her as a weakling.”

- Willow: Any Sports in a storm is supposed to be a Willow's episode but it's a Hunter's one apparently. Willow is written to be hard-working, determined and strong from the start of the episode with her dream of being the first Flyer Derby captain. But it gets overshadowed by Hunter's new friendship and interaction with the group. From the middle till the end, there's barely any scenes of Willow being recognized as a good captain. There's no scene at least like other teammates praising her for her leadership and planning. And there's no scene of her interpersonal emotions like “I did it” or her fathers being proud of her. She wishes to be good at Flyer Derby and follow in her fathers’ footsteps. It's never mentioned again. It's not about her, it's only about developing Hunter and the ship tease Huntlow. Instead of writing how her newfound confidence and captain leadership are recognized, her old wound “half-a-witch” is brought up to develop Hunter and Huntlow, even though it's not the SAME thing Hunter and Willow have in common!! Hunter gets the spotlight in the Flyer Derby team, from praising, encouragement to the photo taking. He's the centre in the photo, just like how everyone is focused on his slow typing at the end of the episode.

Willow is also retconned as a forced girlboss stereotype from dragging Hunter when they first met to being insensitive of his trauma. Like why did she get done so dirty? Especially in Thanks to Them, Willow comforts Vee quite well. She said Vee didn't have to go to the museum if she was still afraid. But it's not the same in For the Future when she tries to comfort Hunter by bringing a Flapjack's photo right after he lost his palisman.

- Last but not least, Gus. Labyrinth Runner is a Gus episode that gets overshadowed. The breathing technique is something special in Gus and Willow's friendship. But it's used to develop Hunter again. It's used to develop his and Gus's friendship, and his relationship with Willow.

Gus, who has been friends with Willow for years, can't recognize the real Willow while Hunter can. It's reasonable if Willow gets scared of Hunter. Also, that he thinks Willow doesn't get scared of him isn't entirely convincing to me. Even though Willow isn't utterly scared, she would at least be wary of him. He kidnapped her and others, locked them up, took their Palismen and took them away from their families. He saved them at the end, but what they've been through was very traumatizing. Willow is insecure about her strength. Not to mention it doesn't make any sense when Hunter sees how Willow doubts her strength and calls herself half-a-witch. He stirs up her insecurity and how can he think she isn't afraid of him? Yet in Labyrinth Runner, he is written to be more understanding of her strength more than Gus?

If Hunter knows that the illusion isn't Willow, Gus should have known as well. Gus is the master of illusion, and he can't even recognize an illusionist? Also, his best friend? They could have written that Gus recognizes Willow through the breathing technique, which is the only thing they knew to solidify their friendship more.

In Labyrinth Runner, both Amity and Gus are done dirty in this episode in order to make Hunter outshine them. And most of all, Huntlow. Hunter is written to be more understanding and appreciating Willow's strength more than Gus and Amity, so Huntlow would be more convincing.

- Season 3 has only three episodes but more than half of the screen time is about Hunter, playing the main character role just like Luz. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks Hunter's possessed scene and killing Flapjack are unnecessary. How does it benefit his character and the plot? Hunter can still defy and fight Belos without being possessed. The only effect from this is his ability to do magic and going through more trauma. According to what the crew says, they like to give him trauma. It makes me think that they're too focused on him and make him have more screen time and attention than others.

- The writer gives him too much trauma yet they can't handle it right. Hence, they shouldn't have added that in the show, especially in a cancelled one. In For the Future, Hunter has to shove his grief down to comfort Willow. Gus is sidelined like usual in favor of Hunter and Huntlow. He knows about Hunter's secret, what Belos did and it traumatizes him a lot, but his feelings are never mentioned during season 3. Oh great, it's only brought up again when it has something to do with Hunter.

- Why can only Hunter reach out to Willow when she has a breakdown? Why is Gus trapped and further away from her? And if I thought it can't get any worse, Willow only says thank you to Hunter then holds his pinky. What about Gus? He tried to comfort her too. Willow first met Gus when he was having a mental breakdown, she comforted him and understood him. That's the start of their friendship. It will be much more meaningful when Gus plays a more important part in helping Willow by the same breathing technique she taught him. Even though Willow and Gus usually stay together, their friendship is written on such a surface-level despite having a lot of potential.

- Willow and Gus are considered as the most powerful characters in the group. But the writers say “no, let Hunter shine”. First minute, both Willow and Gus are confident that they can take down Kikimora, but later, Hunter has to come to the rescue. Like, I'm not saying Hunter can't save her or Willow is weak but it doesn't fit right in this moment. Willow has just got her comfort and confidence back, yet she doesn't get to have the moments to show her strength and power. Give me Willow and Gus’s power combo that defeats Kikimora satisfyingly, not just boasting about their power, but failing and then getting rescued by Hunter. It feels like their power is nerfed out so Hunter has a chance to show off his new power (even though he's already done that).

- Lastly, Flapjack tattoo, another sign of Hunter favoritism to me, so feel free to agree to disagree about this. Tattoo is one of the most noticeable traits on one's body.

It's ingrained on the skin and noticeable on the characters’ designs. How on earth everyone else has to have the tattoo of his Palisman? I get that they want to respect Flapjack, but this seems like Hunter has main character favoritism in the show. The group doesn't even bond with Flapjack that much. They can show respect for the Palisman in other ways, making a carving, album and so on. If they tattooed it, it's mostly because of Hunter. I still prefer Luz to have flowery tattoos or something else related to her father. And I prefer others having their tattoos of their own Palismen rather than Hunter's.

- Not only the Hexsquad but another side character also suffers from this, Alador. In Clouds on the Horizon, Alador shows his clear doubt towards Hunter. It makes perfectly sense because he was the Emperor's right-hand man, everyone is doubtful of him, including people at Hexside. They even intend to send him back to the coven. But when Alador doubts him, instead of explaining himself like he has with the Hexside teachers and students, he chooses to criticize Alador. "At least I didn't build him an army." That's a weak counterback. Did Hunter forget that he was the one coming to the Blight factory and inform that Belos wants the Abomatons exclusively?Belos is the most powerful person on the Isles, so both Odalia and Alador can't defy him and can only build the Abomatons only for him. They can't sell their invention to others anymore. It's hypocritical of Hunter to say that to Alador when he was in the same position like them, unable to defy Belos's power and demand. Instead of saying that "I'm leaving Belos" "I'm not going back to him." "I realized he wasn't like how he actually is" to counter Alador's doubt, Hunter criticizes Alador for also helping Belos with such a weak counterpoint. People only attack others personally when they run out of excuses in an argument. The writing of their interaction makes no sense, and intends to make Hunter the victim and Alador the bad guy. Unfortunately, I only saw how hypocritical Hunter is.

In short, the favoritism in Hunter's writing did damage to other characters' writing, including Luz, the main character. He is written as the most sympathetic character, while some characters are nerfed and OOC to make him outshine them. If the show is written like that, no wonder the fandom centres around him too much and put other characters down in favour of him.

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

hunter and luz: talk about belos and the magic system, open up to each other about their trauma and fears, rescue each other from dire circumstances

hunter and amity: relate to each other as abused children and perfectionists who are afraid of letting people down

hunter and gus: relate to each other’s experiences of being used by people and helps calm each other down in a moment of distress, also finds a common middle ground with a piece of media they both enjoy

hunter and willow, the literal love interests: uhhh both of them are considered half a witch because one of them was a late bloomer and the other is literally disabled?

[divinemiracles]

Am I the only one that thinks Lunter makes more sense than Lumity and Huntlow

It does make more sense. A LOT!

Lumity bonded over the Azura Book Series and Huntlow bonded over sports. But what did Lunter bond over?

Wild Magic, feeling as if they’re worthless in the group, guilt about helping Belos, being misunderstood by their guardian, wanting to make sure everyone’s safe. The list goes on!

Plus the Caleb/Evelyn parallels are PERFECT. Willow only checks one box for being Evelyn, being a witch, and Luz checks SO MANY MORE!

Like, what does that ‘E’ actually stand for, Luz? Evelyn?

And Hunter’s entire character isn’t supposed to be dumbed down to malewife in the end for his relationship! Hunter’s character is more suited to be in a relationship that has actual equality! Who is he the most equal to? Luz!

[antispopausandstuff]

this might be a hot take, but it feels like a light smack on the face to have Lilith as aroace rep and not include Willow.

now, i have no issue with Lilith being aroace. i love Lilith and there's no actual problem with her being labeled as such.

but in comparison to Willow, who hasn't shown true romantic interest or chemistry with anyone until s2-s3 kinda pushed it in there, i do feel a little bit salty as a questioning arospec person.

i don't particularly understand why there has to be one of every type, when the 'romance' between Willow and Hunter negatively affected both of their arcs and sidelined their true character as a whole. to only have Lilith as the aroace character, when she was an antagonist previously, can possibly send a weird message.

maybe none of this really matters and i'm just nitpicking, but i really would've loved to have Willow as the aroace rep too. there doesn't have to be one way or another.

[stanlunter]

The way Hunter turns into an emberessed shy anime "lady in distress" girl every time he's around Willow from a literal soldier makes me wanna cry

I see no difference

[tiny-taffy]

NO CAUSE FR!! She literally didn’t show any romantic interest in him until for the future. (And it just happens to be the scene after hunter saves her and says nice things to her.) it just seems so forced and fake on her part lmao.

Dunno if this has been said before but all the 'hints' to Willow having a crush on Hunter are literally her just being nice to him. God forbid a teenage girl show basic decency to another teenage boy lest they be shipped together

Yeah, I think I’ve brought it up in the past. Literally every time Willow interacted with him was JUST her being a friend. It’s the exact way she acts with all her friends, he never once got special treatment, but no- now we have to shove all her other friends to the wayside to make room for the pretty white boy. You know, like always! 🙃 God, Willow, didn’t you know you can’t be nice to boys or the straights (and people with bad taste or no literary comprehension) start foaming at the mouth. I really, really didn’t think Dana would let that type of thing (I.e. teen boys and girls not being friends unless they’re going to date) slide in TOH and if she does, I’m extremely disappointed. But I will say, maybe I’m delusional, but I’m still holding out hope that in the last ep it’s confirmed friendship only, or Willow says something like she’s not ready for a relationship, or whatever. With Dana deleting the retweeted art that said they were “canon”, maybe that’s possible. I’ve gotta say my expectations are extremely low at this point, because all the crew has done regarding their characters this season has really disappointed me already (mostly just Willow, but).

[tiny-taffy]

seeing people claim that huntlow is a confirmed couple is so funny to me because like, bitch where??? 😭😭😭

[falling-through-the-sea]

Brother, I- I- I---

*sigh* As a mid sized, objectivelly ugly, neurodivergent (also Hunter being nd??? Confirmed where??? Guys stop pulling diagnoses out of your asses and act like it's written in Bible or smth, its disrespectful towards people who actually have them. If anyone needs to explain this, write me and i'll do gladly.) and with undiagnosted ptsd --- Yeah, I hate Huntlow. Still wanna talk?

[fandomlife-confessions]

[seagull9111]

"you dont like mileven bc its not a gay ship!!!"

"yeah.. sure..." i saw as i hurriedly push percabeth, timebomb, huntlow, glimbow, and jopper under the carpet

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

wow, is this post about huntlow?

(willow isn't exactly invulnerable, she does have some emotional moments after she meets hunter. however, she is suddenly turned into a "badass girlboss" and the rest of the post holds up.)

[hikaaa-bi]

hot take: gustholomule was way better developed and had more chemistry than huntlow, despite not being a canon ship

[anastasia-queen]

The way the Owl House Fanbase reacts towards Lunter & Huntlow.

A ship should complement the story, but it shouldn't be the main focus or derive the narrative, especially for a character concluding their development arc. (Huntlow)

It has been a while since I made an Owl House post. Anyway, I enjoy this meme.