#hunger games unpopular opinion

[burnerofstars]

Yall think the victors ever tried to make themselves uglier so they were less “desirable”

[felixravinstills]

abyssal!!! from your reblog, I wanted to know: what is your interpretation of clemmie? :D

Okay, so I talked about my interpretation of Clemmie a little over here where I described why I lowkey ship my interpretation of Clemmie and Lyssie (I think you've mentioned wanting to read my oc fic, Close Your Eyes, so I suppose I should warn you that there are spoilers for that in the previously linked post).

Anyway, I'm more of a Clemensia did join the Rebellion but more as a once she can extrapolate her own suffering at Gaul's hands as a wider issue of the Capitol. They let her get away with that, and she'd want revenge even subconsciously.

I think that once she starts going down the path of rebellion against the Capitol, she will start to emphasize more with the Districts (this happens faster in my fic because of bonding with Lyssie reasons but if that doesn't happen, I think she could get there independently), but at some level, there will always be revenge on her mind.

I really love you and Lily pointing out that Clemensia isn't just one-dimensionally nice! I've always thought that Clemensia is obviously nice and pleasant to her friends, but in my head, she would have a vindictive side.

I think a lot of people excuse Clemensia's behavior after the snake bite as just a consequence of the venom or the circumstance (not you or anyone specifically, I'm talking generally as I never see it addressed), and while it is definitely a consequence of the situation. It's not easy having one of your close friends seemingly turn his back on you while you suffer through something like this alone, and everyone who is treating you is in on the coverup.

It's obviously not her at her best, but I do think that the vindictiveness that this event has activated won't go away. To me, her behavior to Coriolanus and Reaper after she's released from the hospital is her lashing out. In my mind, her refusal to feed Reaper is actually directly linked to her lashing out at Coriolanus, but since, Coriolanus isn't really a viable target for her rage in this public setting and seeing he is also a Capitolite, she subconsciously (or consciously we don't know) takes her anger out on Reaper by not even trying to send him food (Ch. 18) and isn't it interesting that once she and Coriolanus have their unspoken moment of forgiveness with the soap (Ch. 20), she becomes more concerned about getting food for Reaper? She states:

“A lot of good it will do me,” Clemensia murmured to Coriolanus. “He doesn’t trust me enough to eat anything I send.”

She's known Coriolanus for years. She can reason away him not going against Gaul (for now. idk after he starts apprenticing under her), because what can he really do? She asks. I think that once she starts stewing on matters, she could very well redirect her anger to Gaul and eventually the Capitol as a whole.

Also, for people who haven't read the other post, the privilege that Anon is referring to is: her popularity, her affluent family (in my other post, I was comparing her to Lyssie. contrasting Clem's dad being a politician while Lyssie's parents being doctors), and being close to Snow (I think he would have a small blindspot for Clemmie and Festus. Not that it would mean much in the end but... it's a small smokescreen).

Furthermore, Clemensia is nice and pleasant, but it's interesting that she's not one of the people Coriolanus invites to Sejanus' posthumous birthday party in the Epilogue. I think she does enforce the Capitol-District divide, but there's some empathy there. She's able to put herself in the shoes of people from the District when she states that the tributes might be made into Avoxes if the Games are cancelled, and then saying that it would be what she would prefer over death (Ch. 6). I don't think most Capitolites would outloud compare their own opinions to those of the Tributes (it feels like a small admittance to a certain level of equality). I think in tbosas, Clemensia's empathy for the Districts is just a seed, but again, it can grow.

Also Clemensia and Coriolanus as potential foils in how they react to the snake bite incident would be interesting to explore. Both of them coming to the same conclusion about them being seen as expendable by the Capitol at large, but potentially doing different things about it. Also the irony of someone named Clemensia leaning into revenge is fun to think about for me (although I think that again she probably starts empathizing with the Districts at some point). I think it would be fun if she never truly grapples with how her want for revenge against the Capitol affects her decisions. I like that to everyone around her, she says she's doing the right thing, but deep down, she knows it not completely altruistic which is the main cause of conflict in my ideal clemmie/lyssie ship. she knows that lyssie is so good and yet.. okay, i'll stop

(there could also be something cool about Clemensia potentially wielding forgiveness like a weapon in the same way the virtue/goddess Clementia was wielded by Julius Caesar to weaken his enemies' standing as enemy's allies were more willing to surrender to Caesar due to his rep for clemency. something about Coriolanus finding absolution in Gaul's ideology but Clemensia somehow finding a way to use his guilt for the snakes against him years later or her getting info from the dead men walking that fell out of Snow's favor through pedaling her own absolution. "You can make a difference. Tell me his secrets.")

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Thanks for the ask, Eddie and anon! Obligatory, I hope this makes sense! Feel free to ask more questions or clarifications! I've been typing this on and off, so it might be disjointed idk

[sheepwhosleeps]

So my hot take is that Peeta and Katniss are not star crossed lovers because star crossed lovers end in tragedy and as we all know Peeta and Katniss's story did NOT end in tragedy. In fact they OVERCAME the tragedy. Definition of star crossed lovers is two people's affection for one another ends in tragedy. But thats just my hot take and you guys don't have to agree with me.

[literallymikewheeler]

people who over hate gale really get on my nerves. like he was a teenager who was manipulated into being a war figure after his whole DISTRICT got burned into the ground. like i dont like his personality all that much, but i dont think he is some disgusting human being. gale was literally supposed to represent katniss if vengeance and hate overtook her heart, and i think ppl forget that. like gale wasn't some active killer, he was just someone who was angry and mad. people always hate gale for literally just being katniss' friend, bc if she is in love with peeta she just HAS to cut off her best friend of a few years, doesnt she??? like i have literally seen ppl make videos saying he was worse than COIN AND SNOW!! the literal DICTATORS!!!! like people need to wake up and realize how much of a complex character he is, and not some baby bomber. gale. was. not. trying. to. actively. hurt. prim. and i think ppl just hate him bc of their love for peeta. like dont get me wrong PEETA MEANS THE WORLD TO ME!! but im willing NOT to despise the "competition" peeta had just bc i love peeta (and lets be fr, it was never a competition) people just need to finally understand that gale was never an evil villain, just a manipulated teen. ok, thats all!!

[seaskate]

"The book is always better"

People like to say that the book is always better than the movie. That's not true. I've watched Dead Poets Society and the read the book that was written after the movie.

The movie was better.

It's not that the book or the movie is better, it's that the original-which is often the book-is something raw like an open wound. It's a bowl that holds everything in it that the author could pour.

The adaptation is like a broken glass. It struggles to hold as much and the liquid escapes even as the most important parts are still there.

The Hunger Games movies cannot properly show the thoughts in Katniss's head throughout the series, and because of this she seems cold, just as the Dead Poet's Society book could not properly put into the written word the way that Neil looked at Todd.

If the original is an open wound, then the adaptation is the mark marring the skin after someone has sown it shut.

[hot-take-tournament]

HOT TAKE TOURNAMENT

PRE-PRELIMINARY #33

Submission 123

Studio Ghibli did to Howl's Moving Castle what Lionsgate did to Hungergames

Basically each studio did to the book what the villains of the book are all about: in hunger games the Capitol focuses of the Romance and Spectacle of the games instead of the deeper themes and in Howl's Moving Castle the villain (the Witch) wanted to take just 1 part of Howl (his pretty face) and mix it around with other unrelated fragments of other people to make her perfect puppet husband, throwing the rest in the garbage. and Ghibli took the pretty veneer of story and mixed it around with completely unrelated stuff to make a very pretty movie that lacks all of Howl and Sophie's soul.

Pre-preliminaries will be used to determine what qualifies as a hot take. Propaganda is encouraged!

Also, remember to reblog your favourite polls for exposure! (exposure like when your exposed to the fact that the KISS Scooby Doo crossover does actually exist, scarring you for life)

[thefabulousfab-3]

🔥 any unpopular opinions about thg!!

Oooo yes!

Gale: He gets way too much hate for things he did solely in the movies and being a “war criminal” and not enough hate for being fucking annoying. Like I can forgive him for being angry and wanting to retaliate against the capitol. I can’t forgive him for whining and making katniss feel guilty for not loving him. Like she literally came back from the most traumatic experience of her life and he has the audacity to be like, “why don’t you love me? why did you kiss that guy? I’m not going to run away with you if your fake fiancé is coming”

Regardless of the above, I don’t hate Gale. He is a very well written character and there are times in the books I genuinely like him.

The movies are garbage (no hate to the actors, all my hate is for the directors and screenwriters)

Coin is not worse than Snow. Like Snow literally murdered people and prostituted victors out. He is the actual worst. Coin is a tyrant (and katniss was so right to take her out) but is nothing compared to Snow.

The prequel is good but it is in no way a love story and I’m genuinely concerned about the movie.

Ask me my unpopular opinions

[districtunrest]

Let's talk about Delly Cartwright.

Do you like her character?

What do you think about Katniss' description of her: "Delly Cartwright is a pasty-faced, lumpy girl with yellowish hair"

How did you feel about her exclusion from the movies?

What do you think happened to her after the war?

Do you have any fancast?

Any fanfic with Delly as main character or with her POV of the book events?

Thank you :D

@curiousnonny

ugh, love her. optimistic, homely queen in a dystopia.

as above. it's at the very least realistic and at most kind of refreshing. Delly may not be pretty but her good qualities shine through regardless; she is known more for her kindness and sensitivity than her looks, or lack thereof. tho I do think it's notable Katniss calls her "lumpy," which I interpret as being a bit chubbier, when Katniss has also said that fat is seen as a good thing in 12, because it means you've found a way to be well fed. but idk "lumpy" has a more negative connotation.

I see her as one of the people who come back to D12 eventually after the war. I differ on whether she'd become a cobbler like her parents or something else. I'll decide if it comes up in SOO lol

no fancast. but like, an overweight actor please.

honestly, this exclusion I kinda understand. like if we *had* to cut minor characters, Delly is really only important in Mockingjay, as someone from Peeta's past who's able to support him in hijacking recovery. maybe combining her and Madge's character could've been a solution?

I can't think of any rn where she's the main character but good Peeta-centric fic tends to feature her a lot: Standing and The Strongest Among Him. Fernwithy's End of the World series expands on Delly when she's around (she develops a friendship with Haymitch, which I appreciate). also I wrote a fic Gym Class that portrays a different side of Delly, to say the least haha

[katiekatluvz]

Tbh probably not a popular opinion but...

I would love to see the Hunger games movies remade with actors who are actually the age of the characters. Like what's been done with the new PJO show on Disney.

The original cast and crew did a phenomenal job but, I think it could have a way bigger impact if the kids were actually kids.

[oh-fuck-all-the-names-are-taken]

The hunger games movies are pretty disappointing and unlike the book. In the first book the plot developed in two ways: Katniss’s thoughts and violence. It is not possible to show Katniss’s thoughts so that leaves violence. So they are going to show the violence right? WRONG. I couldn’t watch the whole movie without being outraged at the way they censored the violence. Like, the whole point of the book to show how awful the capital is. If you’re not showing the violence, you’re not really showing what they were doing. It’s supposed to be awful. But without showing the violence of the capital, how awful is it? I wish the movies could be remade and made into what they should’ve been. A borderline saw movie. A movie that actually shows instead of telling. It just makes me so mad. They don’t even show Rue covered in flowers. Somethings about it I liked. Like the flashes back to Ceasar and the announcers talking about the development of the game. I think that was a very good choice but basically everything else I didn’t like. Pretty sad about it, the hunger games series was a favorite of mine. I was so excited about the movies coming out, I even saw them in theaters. I don’t think this is a common opinion and I might be a psychopath for wanting to see children getting slaughtered by the capital. I want to see the raw horror of what the hunger games actually is. they even get some very explicitly stated things wrong. There is no Avox redhead girl. Thrush got an 9 as a score instead of a 10. Haymitch didn’t get drunk a single time. I don’t think it’s the directors fault, some books just don’t make good movies.

[primrosing]

everytime u bag on gale hawthorne one of those books with a minimalist cover and a description like “friends to lovers” where every character can be replaced by a shrub is published and added to the book section of every target

[andreabaideas]

About me: Stuck in the middle

Sometimes i feel really isolated in certain fandoms, mostly those with love triangles, because i just love them, and its very difficult for me to "choose" a side...Because i like them both, so it feels like i'm in the middle of "the girlies war" in my friend group:

It happened with -drumroll and shivers in fear- :

First was ... Twilight (Team Edward/ Team Jacob/ Me: Team Bella just be okay girl...and go to therapy ASAP)

Then It continued with... The Hunger Games: (Team Peeta/ Team Gale/ Me : Team Katniss rocks+ Finnick is the hot one you all...)

And later with... Daisy Jones and the Six (Team Daisy Billy/ Team CamiBilly/ Me: Team I wish everyone of this messy group of souls happiness in Life and Please dont get overdosed, thank you very much.)

Wonder What Will be the next Ship drama for me to be in the middle tbh.

Help, please.

[givingairtomymouth]

Is it just me, or Lucy Gray doesn't really have anything that heroic? Like, good singing girl, but the people who at least tried to change things are others...

[phefics]

how ticklish do u think the hunger games ppl you write for are? asking for a friend🫣

my brand...thank u

coryo: unpopular opinion maybe but like a solid 7/10. will get very huffy and pouty if you try to tickle him though, he is not a fan. has this really cute, uncharacteristic giggle. ribs and underarms are the worst spots and he will curse at you and threaten ur life.

finnick: he's one of those ppl that can turn being ticklish on and off like a superpower, but if you catch him off guard, he's like a 6/10. thinks it's a cute way to flirt so he'll let you get away with it but then he will turn the tables later. snorts when he laughs too hard and is a lil embarrassed about it.

gale: not that ticklish, like a 4/10. only ticklish in a few places like his ribs. will immediately turn the tables if you try to tickle him.

johanna: idk she genuinely strikes me as someone who is not ticklish at all, like a 0/10 but maybe she has one or two sensitive spots. if you try tickling her, she is immediately going to pin you down and destroy you. proceed with caution.

katniss: also doesn't have very ticklish energy to me?? like, she is, most people are, but she's like a very normal amount of sensitive, like a 6/10 probably. her neck and ears are ticklish and she will flail and kick if you try.

lucy gray: i don't know why i, the person who normally has to headcanon every character i like as being extremely ticklish, is not getting ticklish vibes from these characters but lucy gray is just...not that sensitive either!! she's ticklish on her sides mostly and has this adorable, melodic laugh, but i also think of all these characters, she's the one i picture would like being tickled.

peeta: okay, now peeta is definitely very ticklish, like a 7 or 8/10. his stomach is his worst spot and he has this adorable laugh that just makes people melt. is very squirmy but will try to stay still so he doesn't accidentally whack you.

sejanus: officially dubbing him the most ticklish hunger games character, coming in at a 9/10. just look at that cute face and tell me he isn't ticklish, i dare you. gets very flustered and giggly. sensitive everywhere, absolutely adorable i lvoe him.

[fantasy-nerdddd]

Recall what Finnick said in Catching Fire: "No one in this arena was a victor by chance. Except maybe Peeta."

Well, unpopular (?) opinion, but that is the furthest from the truth Finnick could be. Finnick meant that Peeta won because of his strategy, not because he killed the rest of the tributes. Basically, Katniss gave both of them the win by killing Cato, and Marvel, and Glimmer, and the girl from 4. And the first time I read the trilogy, I agreed. But now, I understand the nature of The Hunger Games. To survive, you don't need to be exceptionally strong, although strength does matter. It's to present the Capitol with a compelling story. To have a strategy shown at the interviews, so hopefully the audience will want to see that storyline unravel. As long as you keep them interested, you keep yourself alive. Rich people will sponsor you and the Game makers are less likely to make your life a living hell, because they'd be afraid of the backlash. That means, you would only die in a fight. But still, your opponent might be injured, exhausted, starving, dehydrated, weaponless and so on. You still have an edge.

And who used that to his advantage? The weakness of the audience for unique, convincing stories? Peeta. He introduced and sold the idea of the love story. He manipulated everyone, even the Game makers, into believing the story in a largely fake TV show. And yes, it was real for him and arguably Katniss too in some degree, but it doesn't matter. The strategy worked. They got sponsors. Katniss was only caught in the fire so she'd get closer to the Careers, to cause more drama. They didn't intend for her to die. The rules changed for them, for the first time in history. They got to a feast that, unlike the others, had medicine and not just food, just for Peeta to survive and for the story to continue. In the end, the Gamemakers chose for them to live just so they'd have more of the love story. All because Peeta had a god-like strategy. And yes, strength is vital, but Peeta was strong, he survived against Cato while having 5 tracker jacker stings. And yes, Cato was also stung, but Katniss, with 3 tracker jacker stings couldn't even move without someone pushing her to.

Finnick, on the other hand, was just your regular Career. Nothing special, except the talent of making people want to sleep with him. And that is mainly genes. He was objectively attractive, and that was pure luck. That's why he had a ton of sponsors. That's why he got a trident for a gift. Because he was born attractive and girls fell for him. He's the Victor that won by chance. Not the star-crossed lovers. Not a girl pretending to be weak. Not a singer. Not a tribute good with camouflage (the Morphlings from district 6). Not an arrogant resourceful boy that used his surroundings to his advantage. A pretty face. Hey, don't complain I am solely focusing on the Games, not the absolutely disgusting aftermath

Finnick thought that Peeta won by chance because that's what he was taught. Violence means Victory. The more people you kill means Victory. Use the interviews to assert dominance. Not to make people look at you with sympathy. Make them look at you with fear. That's the Careers. One-sided kids trained to be killing machines. But, when someone to root for comes in the picture, this whole thing fails. Because no one wants to see an 18 y/o kill mercilessly when the other option is two teenagers in a battlefield defying all odds and being in love. Bring pride to your district by proving yourself to be the strongest. Not survive by infiltrating and ultimately betraying the alliance you are taught to fear. Get a good score so no one will interrupt you while you hunt the other tributes down. Not play weak until the final six.

The other district's Victors tend to be more memorable. And look at the tributes for the. 75th Hunger Games: The brother and sister. The girl who ripped another tribute's throat out. The two geniuses. The crazy girl (Not Mags; Mags volunteered). The pretty face. The camouflaged. The weakling. And of course, the star-crossed lovers. You can tell them apart. Johanna can easily find nicknames. That's what they want. Storylines to follow, memorability not to forget.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Edit: Heeyyyy, I might have fucked up a little with my wording on Finnick's paragraph. I am not trying to downgrade pedophilia anon, just saying that he didn't work hard to win the hunger games, and he had it harder after his Games. I was solely focusing on the Games, not the follow up. Also, yes Finnick did use the arena to make nets, but let's be real the nets weren't his biggest advantage a FUCKING TRIDENT was.

[goblins-riddles-or-frocks]

Do you mean Katniss Everdeen?

The original tag was @susandsnell’s but I assumed it was about Katniss Everdeen.

At least personally, I don’t think her getting guilt tripped into marrying Peeta and having children with him is a fulfilling ending for her whatsoever. I guess unpopular opinion, but her feelings for him always read to me as more platonic and that the romantic angle was more being forced on her. And she literally starts out the series explicitly stating that she never wants children!

I understand the thematic thing Collins was trying to do, where by suggesting that Katniss feels safe enough to have children, it illustrates that the games are like well and truly over and they live in a society that’s safe for children now. But I don’t care lmao I don’t think the protagonist’s wants and desires need to be crushed in order to make that theme happen. In the first book we also see how resentful Katniss feels about being forced into the role of a caregiver, and just, nothing about her suggests that, after All That Trauma, she’s somehow going to be more amenable?

If Collins really needed to make that point end it with her be a fucking school teacher idk. Or give one of her few still living friends a kid and note that she’s feeling optimistic about it. The entire nuclear family set up just felt truly gross and forced on her to me— and the emphasis on how traumatized she still is just read to me like she’s all around unhappy with her life. Like obviously trauma does not magically go away but it truly felt like the book was sacrificing all chances of personal happiness for Katniss to make that ending happen.

And even then, if the execution was good, if it was completely believable that that is what happiness looks like for her by the end of the story, I still dislike it narratively. Why must marriage and a baby be the only way the story telegraphs success and happiness for its female protagonist?

If the main point is about the future of the children of Panem, Katniss is herself a child, the epilogue’s timeskip notwithstanding. Why isn’t it enough to focus on her security and future without making her a mother?

The white picket fence ending feels like an especially bizarre choice to me next to the way the series also presents Snow trying to force an idyllic narrative on her for the Capitol audience. Like consider the framing of the showy wedding dress and fake wedding planning, Peeta claiming that she’s pregnant to try to garner more audience and therefore donor sympathy, or even the propaganda video they try to film in the third book where they try to make her look glamorous and it entirely falls flat, and they end up doing a candid video instead. The narrative keeps making a point of how Katniss is idealized and romanticized in this very traditionally feminine way and how alien that feels to her. And then… the series ends with her framed in the exact same way?

But then, that’s always been my main problem with the Hunger Games in the first place. It’s far too enamored with the pageantry it’s also trying to critique, and it ends up undercutting its own purpose. So yeah, I guess, it isn’t surprising that the toothless series has a toothless ending but shfhff doesn’t mean I have to like it!