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as somebody who hasn’t watched next mutation; how accurate/similar are the turtle’s personalities to previous iterations at that point, if you know?
(anon clarified similar not accurate in another ask, so I'll answer like it said similar)
I would say they're closest to the 90s movies, but to me they are different turtles.
Raphael could most believably be Raph from the movies. Some differences though: he does go out on his own a lot, but unlike in the movies it seems more like something he does for fun than when he is emotionally overwhelmed and needs space. This Raph, when he gets angry, will use mean words more than movie Raph I think. The trouble for him is that he and his siblings also tease each other a lot, often good-natured but you know, mean words. Which means that sometimes his fam won't pick up that he's really mad this time, and other times (more often I think), they assume he's really mad when he's not.
Similarities: loves bikes, pretty chill, pretty gruff, likes to be outside. annoyed with Leo's need to always know where he is
Leo is the most different. From any other Leo really. He's quicker to anger and... well... just a lot more airheaded,, I don't know how else to say it. He tried to use his head to break a stack of bricks. Mikey tried to talk common sense into him. He tried to use the computer that he had watched Donnie use a million times and immediately set it on fire. Donnie apparently beats him every time at tic tac toe and staring contests. He just doesn't have the subtlety that I generally expect from Leonardos. Certainly not the ability to stay calm.
Some similarities: he does take his training very seriously. If he sees something he thinks is cool he wants to learn it. And when he (or his brothers) can't learn something right away he tends to get very frustrated. Another similarity: this boy is so nervous. But it presents so differently, you know? idk 87 and 90s and mirage Leo are all pretty different from each other too. But this Leonardo is just such a different flavor. Meathead Leo is the best I've heard it put. It's still Leonardo but it's in a weird font. I mean a differenter font.
I would say Donnie is between 1987 and 90s movies. He goofs off with Mikey a lot, but his humor is much more deadpan, or else he and Mikey do something together, as opposed to the improv song-and-dance pizza-funeral pork rind comedy routine that the 90s B Team has going. He gets excited about whacky inventions that he made just to prove he could, his energy is just a bit more subdued than 87 lol. This Donnie to me is the most Middle Child Donnie. All Donatellos have this energy, but while some lean more Mad Scientist or Pacifist or Theatre Kid, this one leans Middle Child. He cannot get the front seat (he tries very hard). He can be pretty sneaky, or at least tries to be. He can be a mediator, occasionally we see that, but mich more of a "listen to my genius brain understanding the logic of both arguments" than 90s movies' (more effective) "they're both right, hey look I brought marshmallows." He's very competitive with Venus (new kid) (she has magic) (who's the family doctor now) (who's Raph's soft spot now) (who's Mikey's goofball buddy now) (who's the quiet thoughtful one now) (yeah I'm kind of obsessed with them).
He and Venus do have positive moments too, though, they can be very gentle with each other when they aren't caught up in their ongoing Magic vs Science debate.
Mikey--definitely more similar to 90s than 87 or Mirage. He's the goofball. He loves media (this is the word he uses ajdhsj I think he's mostly talking about radio and tv). He likes weird foods, which I think is a nod to 87, but instead of being pizza-themed this Mikey's foods are fish-themed. Although, sometimes there are some pizzas as well. The way I most see Mirage Mikey is in his friendship with Raph: NM Mikey will always defend Raph and is pretty much always down to go with him when invited. His only possible beef with Raph is when he's not invited (but even then Mikey kinda seems to need to do his own thing too sometimes? Like his shows or his talk show or his recipes. Sometimes he's just in the background of an ep doing his own thing and not really seeming interested in his bros' attention). The way I most see 87 Michelangelo is in his love for animals. NM Mikey is passionate about protecting endangered species specifically, but also just generally has a soft spot for the vulnerable, whether a little critter or an elderly gentleman or a bruised mutant turtle. Actually that probably has a lot to do with why he looks up to Raph ❤️🧡
As a group, compared to earlier iterations, these guys are emotionally immature. They get frustrated with each other easily, argue over petty things, call each other names, and do the opposite of what Splinter asks, usually with Venus protesting. On the flip side though, they forgive and move on pretty quick for the most part. Except some long-term feuds (Leo vs Raph, Donnie vs Venus).
They're also canonically established to be almost eighteen in the first episode, which I think made me see them as even more immature. It's kind of a fun focus, like yeah they grew up completely isolated and their formative years were spent fighting Shredder, it makes sense they are socially and emotionally stunted. 1987 made them do fun teenager things and 90s made them socially awkward, but NM really makes them often painfully immature. Donnie even gives little expository speeches from his psychology textbooks about it. (by no means educational just enough words in there for us as the audience to understand he knows they're messed up and has researched it XD)
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just had some kind of shower thought about the parallels between the throne room scene in return of the jedi and the final confrontation in under the red hood, and idk if it works exactly but it struck me how similar they are, a son pleading with a father to show some kind of feeling, and whenever i think of something like this, it strikes me how much we expect the father to show his true colours and love for his son and how much bruce ... only does the colours bit.
here i am once more with the star wars parallels.
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still ruminating over Lost In the Book With Spooky Skeletons Part 1, so here's a selection of some of my favorite little bits! (...some more loosely paraphrased than others) (I just feel like Idia has no room to criticize in general, okay)
anyway, I'm sure we're just going to have a fun time celebrating Halloween and nothing bad is going to happen whatsoever! :)
#art#twisted wonderland#twisted wonderland spoilers#lost in the book with nightmare before christmas#hajimari no halloween#calling dibs on skeleton kisses as the name of my band#man scully is just a delightful little weirdo and i'm enjoying him immensely#(i'm going with scully until we get something official just because it makes me think of x-files)#(スカリー is also how the agent's name is transliterated and i don't know if it was intentional but i love it as a bonus reference)#(i want to believe™)#gosh though#'no one at school likes me because i won't shut up about halloween and jack skellington' i'm feeling VERY attacked right now twst#look scully your people are out there#just get on the forums and -- oh wait you're probably from like the 1800s or something#(my theory is that he's from the past and there's just some Book Magic going on to bring us together)#(LOOK they made a point of saying that the book fair has been held annually for a super long time)#a hot topic goth born before hot topic was invented...so sad 😔#i dunno i could be wrong but that feels like a good working theory for now#if it wasn't for mal sensing twsty ~magic~ on him i would think he's like. a christmas elf who's going to kidnap jack in a reverse-nmbc#(not ruling that out though because it would be amazing)#god all the sprites in this event look AMAZING. loving the desaturated colors and the extra drawn-on lines 😍#i'm genuinely kinda sad that we aren't gonna get to see every character like this#who knows...maybe halloweentown will be imperiled again next year...#come back and destroy my keys again please#(that said i'm doing weirdly well so far?)#(i promised i'd save for sebek and just do cursory pulls to get the SRs and not hope for the SSRs)#(...but then leona jumpscared me four coffins in anyway. halloween magic is REAL)
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Really frustrating thing is that . Especially with disability assessment.
Is really hard for me to communicate without help from carer. But assessment people don't like my carers coming with me to help me.
(is just under read more because long post)
Is complicated. Can speak with mouth, but in "heat of moment", nothing comes out right. It sounds good but not always what meant to say. Like lying by accident.
And if can't answer a question, like with a number answer, the assessment people say "just give me a number". And have to make one up and lye on purpose!
Like they say "how far can walk unassisted?" and the problem is. Have very little idea of how much a meter, kilometer is, so can't tell them. And they scare me, make me "guess" but am just saying random number so they stop being scary.
And can't tell them about not knowing because the words come wrong. But try, try. Make my best "normal person upset face" in case they understand that. But is never enough.
One carer is very very good at making sure they can't do that to me. He answers number questions because he knows they are hard for me. Because when heat of moment is gone, when away from assessment person, have been able to tell him.
But the assessment people don't listen to him, say answer has to be from me. Sometimes can copy his answer, but then they don't believe me!
They are bad and scary assessment people and have to see them again soon. But don't want to go near them, because why on earth would want anywhere close to them when they are always horrible?
Anyway. need to try best to figure out fix.
Also any advice is welcome, even if seems silly it is one more idea than self has thought of.
#newt vent#(a little bit)#communication#not like the disability assessment people at all#they are bad and mean and not know what they're doing#hope this made some sense
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There's something I've just realised with how Jinx, Isha, and Sevika communicate with each other.
None of them have to actually say words to each other, because they understand what the others saying through body language and looks.
Sevika and Jinx fight seamlessly alongside each other without calling out to each other.
The way they bicker without uttering a word, for example, when Sevika fully takes stock of how her arm look or when the music starts blasting and Jinx just responds with a shrug or a little dance.
Jinx thanked Isha by doing the finger gun towards her and Isha, understanding instantly that it was acknowledgement.
Jinx instructs Sevika on how to operate her new arm by just indicating the motion.
I love dynamics like this because it just shows the level of trust that all three have in each other, even though they know nothing about each other.
Jinx has been isolated from others for the past eight years, Silco has had Sevika work like a horse and, too frustrated with Jinx to really get to know her, and Isha is a new addition and non-verbal. But they still worked together perfectly.
#jinx#arcane#lol#silco#sevika#isha arcane#Isha#I hope some of my ramble made sense#I literally just had the thought and needed to get it out of my head#😅😂#arcane season 2#non verbal
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My page for @sheikahzine; about Impaz's duty to her village, empty of people and full of memories.
[id in alt text]
#legend of zelda#loz#twilight princess#loz tp#i'm still reeling that someone sent me an ask about this one.. that they took the time to find my tumblr and tell me they liked it#it really meant a lot; thank you to anyone that stops to leave comments like that. they make me happy#but yeah! here's the usual symbolism ramble:#i thought it'd be cool to have the 'spirits' flowing one way and the cats walking through them the other way#to kinda show the difference in life inhabiting the village in the past and present#link's face is covered because impaz was just waiting for 'the hero' so his clothes are what matters; not his face#and it (hopefully) gives a surreal and intangible sense to 'the hero' she could only hope would actually show up#you can feel free to interpret the glowy blue sheikah as ghosts or just as memories of the past! i couldn't decide either way#the one on the bottom left is oot impa since she's implied to be the village founder. so i guess she would be a ghost actually?#fan art#my art#project stuff#and ahhh the book-- everyone's stuff is so beautiful!!#especially the writing. some of the fics made me really tear up and some were so fun and clever. i really love them#a lot of them captured the sheer burden of the role of the sheikah; all of the time and grief and doubt#i know i always say this stuff about every project but. the people i get to work with in these are truly so skilled every time
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afrofuturism🪐
☆ one ~ solange hair by darknightt (tsr warning) ☆ two ~ loretta hair by @simtric ☆ three ~ bahati braids by @sheabuttyr ☆ four ~ isonoe hair by octetsica ☆ five ~ binah braids by @sheabuttyr ☆ six ~ cornrows & curls hair by @leeleesims1 ☆ seven ~ indie hair by @sashima ☆ eight ~ loc petals by @shespeakssimlish ☆ nine ~ mnemosyne hair by octetsica ☆
mini dedication essay to black simmers and ts4 creators below! pls read if you have the chance! <3
this edit is a small homage to afrofuturism and the various unique black hairstyles (and especially the black creators of most of these hairs) that i have downloaded and admired over the years! some of these are old and some of these are new.
to me, afrofuturism means constantly honoring/reclaiming/challenging the past while constantly creating/dreaming of a better society/world/future. a society/world/future that embraces and empowers all of our differences, ingenuity, aspirations, and unique lived/cultural experiences. a society/world/future that does not limit us through the various systems of marginalization and oppression (racism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, sexism, xenophobia, ableism, classism, colorism, etc.) that often affects how we, as black people, live today.
blackness is so diverse and intricate yet it's always been a struggle to find my culture within a game that's known for being so limiting, bland, and extremely eurocentric when it comes to hairstyles, clothing, food traditions/events, etc. black simmers have always had to figure out how to make this game more inclusive and make it resemble either more like how our ancestors lived, how our current lives are, or how we would want our lives (and even our children's lives) to look like in the future no matter how dystopian the real world look and feel now. fortunately, these hairs and their uniqueness bring a huge sense of culture and style to this game. they have always inspired me and made me feel extremely proud to a part of the lovely african diaspora (and the ever-growing black simmer community).
in a way, being a black simmer and cc creator usually means that we are often digitally creating our own worlds as afrofuturists to varying degrees (whether we know it or not) every time we open our game, make our sims, make houses, and/or make black cultural cc. also, now i know that cc making is not easy to do and is extremely time-consuming so this post is also just me giving all black cc creators especially those who create for free their well-deserved flowers! here are some other black cc creators who created cc that have greatly impacted my game since i first started playing sims 4: @/leeleesims1 @/simtric @/hi-land @/yuyulie @/sims4bradshaw @/ebonixsims @/xmiramira @/sheabuttyr @/qwertysims @/oplerims @/sleepingsims @/shespeakssimlish and so many more im forgetting probably (im too shy rn to tag ppl but i greatly appreciate y’all fr i hope y’all telepathically get this message somehow 😭).
last but not least, i am hoping that this inspires somebody to keep creating or start creating regardless of what they think their skill level is! somebody will absolutely fall in love with your work and/or your art/work will 100% change someone's game forever <333
#ts4#sims 4#the sims 4#black simblr#black simmer#ts4 edit#🪐#🪐 black hair#soleil jones#xolani souza de oliveira#angela evans#leona morrison#chantelle diang#ayesha solomon#nylah rivers#nykhor chantelle diang#dove adeyemi#something to end black history month with!#i really hope my essay make sense 😭😭😭#i planned to this last year but hated the pictures i took so i scraped it and redid it#i couldn’t thank enough to all the black cc creators before me and hope to help/inspire new black cc creators 🙏🏾#this is also kinda the updated version of my for the culture post…i made sure to include some familiar (but updated) faces 😭☝🏾💗🙈
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And I will stay alive for my future self, so they can one day learn to be kind to who I was as a child. And I will teach them to honor who we used to be, so they can remember the comfort of what once was our untempered flesh and gentle soul. Me and myself are each a fresh wound and a rough scab, bearing respectively the gift of green faith and honed will.
This has been in my draft for a while because I was determined to post this only after I knew what I should write underneath it. I’ve read a lot on the concept of healing the wounded inner child since even before my c-ptsd diagnosis. However, I’ve sought as much comfort in my little self as they had in me. Looking back, I was an impressively emotionally-intuitive kid. I remember well how I used to think, the things I would write to my future self; they were wiser and gentler than I could ever hope to be as an adult. Needless to say, the little poem above is inspired by the aforementioned experience. Sure, big me is armed with a more developed pre-frontal cortex and access to invaluable resources (coping mechanisms, therapy, on and offline communities) , but I struggle to rediscover/reinvent my identity. Little me was the biggest vestige of my lost personhood. So yeah, this might be just a huge self-indulgent projection with my favorite character, but thinking that post-S3 Hunter would also be in my shoes is not completely baseless. 16yrs old Hunter is the fresh wound (a lot of things happened before his teen years, but I’m going to interpret the events of Hollow Mind - which happened when Hunter was 16 - as the ultimate boiling point in his trauma timeline, hence the ‘fresh wound') and 20yrs old Hunter is the rough scab. Each version of Hunter could be dealing with a different set of trauma-induced symptoms. I think his loyalty to Belos kept him going as a child. Being doubtless was important to Hunter back then; it held his sense of self together. And maybe when he survived and was rewarded the time and space to grow into his own person and live for himself, there was this lasting emptiness. I feel this sort of emptiness even today. My only reference of what ‘wholeness’ felt like was when I was obedient to my family. I equated self-abandonment as the righteous norm. The symptoms I deal with today are definitely different from when I was Hunter’s age pre-time-skip. Now that Hunter is in a safe space and an adult post-time skip, he might also need to seek that strength from his younger self. Reminding himself of how far he’s come and the parts of him that he'd like to keep from his past. The parts that he knows in his bones are purely his - not instilled by Belos, not inherited from Caleb.
#the two pic look so different lol they were completed with a month in between them#if you actually read the whole thing#thank you means a lot#i hope it made some sense- i rarely put into words these sort of thoughts so im kinda all over the place#hunter toh#hunter noceda#the owl house#the owl house season 3#toh season 3#toh#toh hunter#toh s3#toh s3e1#toh s3e2#for the future#thanks to them#toh spoilers#cw: abuse#cw: trauma#hunter deamonne#toh s3ep3#watching and dreaming#the owl house spoilers#owl house#thank you dana#toh literally saved and changed my life
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I find it funny that Wild, who has basically a couple years ish of full life experience, comes up with the most insane theories for everything
He assumed that the only other explanation to Four being able to split in Four was. That he was quadruplets who'd been hiding this whole time???
Also apparently he believed that his wolf companion Twilight in botw was a diety (and felt very uhh shocked upon finding out that he was not)
Malon made things worse, telling him about her aliens theory
What's even FUNNIER is that every time Wild expresses any sort of confusion at magic stuff that he's never seen before, everyone else in the chain acts like it's crazy for him to be weirded out by it
Honestly maybe Wild's the only one with his head on straight, rather than everyone else who are just like 'it's magic bro' like no he's right this is weird
I appreciate this because it's very considerate of the fact that he woke up with no memories not too long ago, so he doesn't have much experience to explain the stuff that's 'normal' for the chain. Plus the explanations he comes up with are funny.
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Art and comic and adorable character by Jojo @linkeduniverse au :D
#I hope this made sense I didn't edit much#linkeduniverse#linked universe#Lu wild#djdjdjdkdjdkckdkxkgg#the 'this is normal it's fine' chain#and 'why is this tree speaking to me' wild#it's just. I mean. I'd have some pretty insane theories too ok#he has no idea why someone could split into four but he has seen two identical twins at a stable once so surely that's an explanation#he's literally so smart tho. like creativity and stuff? being able to pick up on new skills and concepts? he's a genius. a very goofy genius#aahh for his age I said 2 years of life context because he says he's 117 + Jojo said Lu is less than a year after his journey#also mental memories maturity and time awake is all so complicated#so I just said a couple years as kind of a base number idk#(aaaaand if i said anything offensive im sorry of course and none of this is meant as a criticism of wild but I love his crazy theories)#everyone's thoughts matter so much and I love you guys /gen <33#:)#and. I like this and it's funny and fluffy but if my angst writers wanted to get a hold of this O.O
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So, I was nosing around the gang's tents and I thought that it was honestly so sweet that so many of them have photographs of themselves or of family right?
Little baby Charles with his parents, a young Susan, young Hosea and Bessie, but then I found something interesting in that pile of junk down the cliff just behind Arthur's tent-
Dutch actually writes notes for his famous camp speeches.
And if you've seen the speech that these notes are referring to, Dutch seemed to simplify it a lot when he recited it, almost dumbing it down for the gang entirely?
Writing notes for an important speech isn't the strange part, but the fact he dumbs them down and that these notes are hidden/thrown away out of sight is really strange to me. It makes me think that this is possibly a rough draft or early version of what he wanted the speech to be, sort of implying that Dutch practices and revises his speeches.
Which, if he ultimately dumbs them down for the gang, then what is the point?
The likely answer is that he holds himself to a higher standard because he feels he's above the gang members, in a way. He's the visionary, the leader, the man in charge, the one who reads philosophy books almost exclusively, to say that Dutch didn't think highly of himself would be a lie. And because the gang is 'below' him, he simplifies his speeches for them - despite majority of the gang being well educated and understanding. He doesn't think that the gang is as intellectual as him.
I made a post previously talking about Dutch and his Evelyn Miller philosophies and how he argues with gang members that don't agree or understand. It's especially interesting how Lenny, also an avid reader, disagrees so strongly with Miller's writings when that's what most of Dutch's philosophies are based on.
It solidifies that Dutch was manipulative from the beginning, and probably long before too.
#“writing notes isn't manipulative 🤨” it isn't the notes itself it's what the notes *imply*#I hope I've made some sense :')#it's fucking fascinating honestly#dutch needs to stroke his own ego so bad that he writes notes just to dumb it all down when reciting#let me know what you guys think <3#I'm not saying this is 100% true or anything it's just what I think about it#mick squeaks#mick rants#mick thinks#rdr2#red dead redemption 2#arthur morgan#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews#bessie matthews#charles smith#susan grimshaw#red dead redemption community#micks pics
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Destiel Pride - Day 4; Divine Purpose
#destiel pride#dean Winchester#castiel#spn art#spn fanart#spnfanart#wiggleart#so I was thinking about how raising dean from hell to serve heaven was some kind of divine purpose#and how cas serving god is some how his divine purpose#but instead their divine purposes seemed to be breaking each other free from the shackles of said divine purpose#and how cas raised Dean up and Dean grounded cas [ground in a good way like emotionally]#so yah I hope this made sense
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Sometime around 1977
#maybe it's a lonely christmas idk#gregory house#house md#i hope my made up lighting makes some sense#my art
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something to recognize that choosing recovery again and again is difficult work, and you are not weak for faltering
#comics#hey proud of myself for completing a multi page comic even if its not that long#i realized i tend to operate under made up rules about the art in a comic being super consistent and it limits me#so i tried letting myself be looser with it :>#i hope this makes sense let me know what u think i feel so incoherent lately#hope everyone is doing well !!! havent been v active but i just got a flatbed scanner so i should be able to post some drawings soon :O#been UNWELL super unemployed i am in the slime i am seeing the skull#digital art#autobio comics#ask to tag#self harm cw#self harm tw#addiction cw#addiction tw
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To other sex-repulsed people: Please understand that your repulsion towards sex is your own issue to deal with. Understand that sex is important to a lot of people (you don't have to understand why, just simply that it is), and understand that it's not okay to treat sex as a bad thing simply because it exists and you're repulsed towards it.
It's completely fine to vent about your friend talking in great depth about their sex life when it repulses you (and maybe tell them that it makes you uncomfortable and you don't want to hear about it) or for any reason for that matter, but don't talk about how much you hate sex in front of the people who find it a positive thing because you'll just end up being seen as someone who kills the fun. It doesn't seem fair, I know, but there are lots of places you can talk about this without upsetting people who enjoy it.
And to non-sex-repulsed people: Please understand that we need a space to air our repulsion to sex. If anything we say isn't directly aimed towards you specifically and it upsets you, then maybe consider that this space just isn't for you. Not everyone has the same positive feelings towards sex that you do, and we have just as much right to talk about how we dislike sex as you have to talk about how much you like sex.
And everyone needs to understand that it's possible to have negative feelings about sex —and to talk about these feelings— without it automatically being sex negativity.
#pk;m shy#asexual#ace#actually ace#sex repulsed#apothisexual#I'm sex-repulsed too. I get it. but please stop treating sex as some evil just because you don't like it.#maybe I have a different perspective because I'm part of a system and my non-ace headmates are going to have sex anyway#with the same body I use. I hate it but I'm not going to make it their problem because this body belongs to them as much as it belongs#to me.#I'm not saying you need to suffer in silence but just don't involve people who are happy to have sex in your negative feelings about it.#I hope this made sense ^^;
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holy shit I did NOT realize how popular my "I will remove my teeth, for I want to remain kind despite my anger" quote is. I just googled it for fun to see what would come up, a bunch of people are quoting it not knowing who its from, an artist called Kuma made an album titled that, so bizzare
#also people are misatributing the quote to kuma and the first google result for the quote attributes it to them#which is kind of upsetting but not a huge deal whatever#its cool it seems to have entered culture like that#i get very mixed feelings about those instances where something I made got WAY more popular than i expected and#people are reposting it or using it without attributing it to me#i both feel bad when stuff isnt credited to me but also good that my art has expanded beyond my reach#its out of my control kind of and other people have it now#which IS what i want for my art and how i generally think art should be#but it is also obviously causes some anxiety to lose control and really full ownership of something that is yours#i think also there is anxiety about something of mine being taken by someone bigger than me#since they can just claim it as their own and most people will know them as the origin#not talking specifically about this quote btw just any of my work#ive definetly been thinking about that hbomberguy vid lol#i hope any of this made sense im a little high rn
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I’ll also preface that my knowledge is limited to the fact that I was pretty young during the height of emo as a movement and only have some interaction with punk as a movement. Not very knowledgeable about Goth or Grunge aside from these basics.
So the one I’m probably most knowledgeable of, Emo, is very much characterized by a focus on emotional trauma, sensitivity, and angst (among other things). Grunge actually shares a lot of the similar ideas, though with a higher focus on misanthropy and anger as I see it at least.
Goth on the other hand tends to focus more on its fashion as a form of liberation and a comradery for people out of society’s norm. Goth in general has always had a big part in the queer scene and in general promotes an idea of community and acceptance.
This is also where I’ll promote my Goth-Punk Raven wishes. While all these subcultures are anti-conformist by nature (emo, grunge, and goth are all generally considered offshoots of Punk), punk is more actively political. Being very anti-establishment, anti-authority, punks tends to be more involved political movements and actions.
show raven is goth but book raven is emo/grunge and that’s the fundamental distinction between the two for me
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