#homeland theories

[linguisticalities]

[blindmagdalena]

rapid fire predictions for the finale of the boys s4: SPOILERS AHEAD.

sage left behind her cute little maeve notebook full of manipulative misinformation that homelander or firecracker or both will conveniently misuse exactly as sage intends them to

sage shows up at the boys headquarters to say 'hey losers, ready for the next stage of my plan?' and reveals to them that she's been the guiding hand for them this whole time, and she was just manipulating homelander. she got fired on purpose as to not be caught up in the downfall of him/the seven/vought. she doesn't want him in power any more than they do. why else would she help them so much? we're left uncertain if this is true or if she just intends to get back in homelander's good graces.

soldier boy and maeve both made merch appearances in e7. one or BOTH of them appear in the eleventh hour of the finale???

billy becomes a meat puppet for joe kessler, setting him up as a secondary BBEG for season 5. we get DOUBLE BUTCHER as he is now the hallucination screaming at joe. ryan will be the key to restoring butcher to his senses? this one is maybe more abstract and unlikely.

this thought i'm WAYYY less jazzed about but feel is possible: homelander, hurt by ryan excluding him from his televised family spiel and possibly driven into a spiral by ryan expressing a desire to leave him, reveals to ryan the truth of how he was conceived, and how there's no way becca actually loved him because of it. he will also throw her death in ryan's face, and how butcher also can't love him because he killed his wife. he will insist that he is the ONLY one capable of loving ryan. he will say literally anything to try and isolate ryan because he is that desperate not to lose him.

[averytiredchild]

This might be a bit optimistic of me, but I have a theory that Sage (the smartest person on earth) is secretly not on Homelander's side.

First; when they were choosing which HL supporters so kill in order to frame the Starlighters, they "just happened" to choose the guy in a relationship with MM's ex-wife, possibly in order for The Boys to see him there and know what really happened at the rally

Second; I really don't think she'd fall for the evidence Ashley planted in, what, a couple of hours? On Cameron Coleman. He has literally no motive to betray Vaught

Third; Webweaver has had deals with Butcher before. If she knew about them, it means she knew The Boys would infiltrate the party under his guise to plant bugs, which would mean at some point they'd have to go through Tek Knight's library to get to his sex dungeon in order to not blow their cover, which is why she made sure to be there. Then, she knew just what strings to pull to get MM to shoot her specifically in the head (those threads also prove she knows about his family, aka Monique's partner from my first point). This made sure she had an excuse not to help HL with the rich assholes at the party, whom he couldn't have handled without Neuman there. There're two possibilities for this one; either she actually didn't know Neuman would be there, and it didn't go according to her plan, or she knew The Boys would plant bugs, which would give them incriminating evidence for a cupe against her. Regardless, this blunder did buy enough time for them to get the information out of Tek Knight

Perhaps I am completely insane

[toxycodone]

oh what i’d give to peg homelander

I think maybe if he got his prostate pounded flat he’d stop being such a bitch.

[dirtypopchik]

So, i've seen people point out that Antony Starr would be perfect Albert Wesker, but i don't remember anyone have talked about how similar Homelander and Wesker are.

Calls himself God

Potential love interest was with him for her own purposes

Works for a "pharmaceutical" mega-corporation

Was "made" in laboratory in order to create the perfect human

Convinced that most part of humanity is garbage that must be destroyed

Is a psychopath

Has red demonic eyes

Old scientist regrets of his creation

Has an illegitimate son

Just look at them... i mean....

I swear im not crazy (also im really sorry if i made a mistake in the lore)

[nonokoko13]

SPOILERS MANGA CHAPTER 3: OCTAVINELLE

OMG THIS YUU IS SO SO CUTE!!!!!!

LOOK AT HIM/THEM. ADORABLE. I WANNA HUG HIM/THEM 💖💖💖

Edit: Apparently his name is Yuuta, 16 yo. Maybe his surname is Mito, from what I heard in Reddit. I also read there that his family owns a Chinese restaurant, until you have better sources or find where it says that yourselves don't take it as official.

[plasticfangtastic]

okay so i did say I was gonna be annoying here's my first little analysis of the trailer for the boys. this shit is messy but its 8 am over here and i just need to ramble... spoiler talk here...

i'm a little concerned about Ryan being so down to kill people this early on in his life, like he's straight up just killing or trying to kill a man in front of a small crowd that got a bunch of phones out, he's also with who i assume its Zoe Neuman and at first I thought it was butcher who was getting thrown againts a building bcuz the guys's colour scheme matched but frankly i don't know.

lowkey feel like the whole arc between Starlight and Homelander will be about him trying to prove to Starlight that she's in the wrong side of history, he just looks so fucking smug when the riot takes place and both his and starlight stans are beating each other up-- frankly both scenes do not seem to be in the same spot... but there's just something in his face that screams "I told you so" to me. its also really interesting how nobody sees him in the middle of the carnage like nobody its stopping their shit when he shows up compare to Gen V where the whole school froze.

likely to be a parody of the captain america musical scene from the Hawkeye's tv show if i had to take a guess but as some xmas production (as u can see the baby jesus scene in the back)

I already seen ppl throw cloning theories over these hairs that I bet are Madelyn's but its just his murder shrine which do include Black Noir so I guess Homelander cheated on Maeve with Noir, I would not be surprise if he has a whole wall of ex-gfs and we might see some Becca's stuff but my question is why its A-train in his house, is he stealing something/breaking in to spy or was he invited by Homelander? and where in the apartment is this? like is down mystery hall over here:

I wasn't sure who this guy its but I'm gonna say Webweaver as he looks like nobody I recognize and his hair its too logn to be Frenchie or Joe and he's according to Vought HQ meant to die by Homelander's hand (maybe he's fucking Anika and Homelander no longer accepts race traitors in his ranks)

I imagine Splinter over here its connected to Firecracker as he seems to be in the conspiracy theory convention and Firecracker its supposed to be yassified Alex Jones plus the con its called truthcon and her show its called truthbomb...

and here's the most spoilery thing and what tells me the Vought HQ spoilers are real... Kimiko will lose her arm to Zoey according to the spoilers and here's she is fighting kimiko and her powers seem to match the description.

I imagien that they finally decide to take a hit at Neuman and try to kidnap Zoe/Zoey and this is the end result...

[allegg]

I’m not sure on any fans theory of what will happen to homelander at the end of the show so I’m just putting my personal prediction out there.

I think it’s best that he lives at the end but loses all his powers. Sure I’m not against that he just dies but i love the idea of him being unable to escape the idea that he, no matter what powers he has, no matter how much he scares/controls others, no matter how much he thinks of himself as a god, he is just human and he can’t escape that.

The fact that solider boy is still very much alive and can get rid of a supes powers is probably my biggest reason to why I think this is true. Sure homelander could just take v but maybe the boys figure out a way to make it permanent (like improving soldier boys powers or destroying all compound v).

The best part is homelander could very much use this to his advantage to win over the public completely by being “oh woe is me my powers have been stripped completely and now I’m unable to protect any of you” but he won’t. He has been shown time and time again especially throughout s4 that he isn’t actually that smart or emotionally mature enough so he would probably blow any chances of winning over the public by showing his most true rotten self because he lost what he thought made him better than them.

[psychic-refugee]

Theories on Marie’s powers

Marie can sense Compound V in the blood. We know that most Supes were dosed as children, so Compound V must replicate itself and is attached to the blood if she can still sense it in the blood of adult Supes.

We know that when Supes take Compound V recreationally, they get a high and their powers are enhanced for a short while.

How she survived Homelander: Marie can subconsciously produce more Compound V/concentrate it more in her blood when she’s under threat, therefore making her powers more potent.

Most Supes seem to have some level of invulnerability and heightened strength. Some Supes are specifically strong as their main power, such as Sam, Queen Maeve, Soldier Boy, and Homelander. Others it seems to be more of a fortification, such as Andre who was able to put up a fight with Sam but it’s not his main power.

Homelander is so strong because he got a higher dose than normal of Compound V in utero, and basically was made that way. Stormlander and Soldier Boy were part of the OG experiments and I believe it’s implied with a more pure or concentrated form of Compound V, and they happened to survive. It’s made them super strong and have longevity.

I believe Marie has a baseline of invulnerability and super strength that most Supes have. Because she can basically dose herself with more Compound V, she can give herself temp bursts of enhancement.

Because Compound V is attached to the blood, could she also reverse its bonds? Could she naturally filter it out from the blood? Soldier Boy can burn it out with his nuke powers, could Marie detach it from the blood?

Could she eventually be the one to be able to depower Supes?

I feel like Marie could have a Scarlet Witch, House of M moment where she says “No more Supes” and extends her powers worldwide to detach Compound V in all Supes’ blood and wipe out powers that way.

I need Gen V to have like three more seasons, a cross over event with The Boys, and at least one movie.

[botslayer]

So I was just playing Lego DC Super villains when a thought occurred to me: There's a non-zero chance that in the universe of The Boys, Lego Batman is instead Lego Black Noir or Lego Tek-Knight or something. Consider the following:

-Seeing as most big time heroes are just under Vought, you gotta imagine Soldier Boy (Voiced by an imitator) was in a few with Homelander. Makes you wonder what those games had as their hypothetical relationship as part of a story. Baring that, Soldier Boy might just be a bonus unlockable seeing as basically the entire country thought he was dead. Albeit, the rest of Payback might have been part of them considering they were Noir's first team.

-Season 2 established they just make things up for villains in the movies and stuff. So the bosses and enemies, things like that, are completely yours to interpret. I doubt they would use actual super terrorists. This is Lego we're talking about... However...

-There's a real chance it might not even be Lego. Mattel owns Mega Bloks/Construx. Hasbro owns Kre-o. Vought might have its own Lego knockoff brand or a brand of silly, smaller toys to base these hypothetical games on.

Just me broadcasting random thoughts into the cyber void.

[shibuya-111]

[blindmagdalena]

do you think there was any significance as to why Homelander brought a cake to the lab? it was just random to me. I wasn’t sure if he was trying to be funny or if it was a silly attempt to break the ice in a way.

i do think it was largely an ice breaker. it's also kind of just... what you do. it reminded me a lot of the early seasons of Dexter where he endeared himself to his office by becoming known as the donut guy. he just always brought in a box of donuts, and that was enough for people to like him.

Homelander was visibly terrified walking into that lab. i said before that i don't believe he knew exactly what he was going to do. the cake was a way to disarm people when he himself felt disarmed and uncertain.

and it worked! people were immediately smiling and distracted while he stood off to the side. it took the attention off of him and let him process. when we cut back to him staring at the incinerator while everyone else is eating cake, that's when we see his body language and expressions change.

that's when he decides what he's going to do.

[tarnishedbloodhound]

Flowers of Liurnia, Far From Home

Or, the Tarnished goes on a photography trip throughout the Lands Between, and all for one specific flower of royal Carian blue.

This small blue flower grows plentifully in groups, on dry land or in shallow water. Whilst found extensively in Liurnia, there are small patches of found growing in other regions as well. I've noticed that they are found near exclusively in or near places associated with sorcery, with a couple exceptions.

These flowers are scarcely found in the Shadows Lands, except for two places, the Cerulean coast, where they glow with almost magical effect, and the Manus Metyr cathedral.

This got a little long so more under the cut:

All throughout the Liurnia region, the player will ride and fight through countless patches of the blue flowers in question. Both within and without the Carian Manor and the Three Sisters grounds:

in the gardens of the Academy of Raya Lucaria:

outside the Carian Study Hall, glowing vibrantly as those in the Cerulean Coast in the Shadow Lands do:

the Church of Vows, but curiously only specifically inside the church, not outside. The blue and gold flowers together likely signify the bond once made here by the Houses of the Moon and Erdtree, by Rennala and Radagon:

Outwith Liurnia, these flowers can be found in Limgrave with their red counterparts, on the road south leading to the Weeping Peninsula:

In Caelid, there is no surprise they are found growing in the Sellia town of magic, suggesting a hardiness to these flowers to be able to resist the rot:

but also in the Caelid region they can be found surrounding Lenne's Rise:

I have found the flowers in two spots so far in the Altus Plateau Leyndell region, in a shallow pool of water between the windmill pastures, close to where a lone battlemage stands watch on the rocks above;

and in the outer moat, where you fight the Dung Eater and where the death-touched (coughGodwyncough) shell crabs live:

I've yet to find in the flowers are in the Mt. Gelmir region, but it is a volcano so I doubt there would be many flowers growing there. Still, I'll check in the future.

Even in the Consecrated Snowfields there are flowers to find. Whether they are actually blue flowers just covered with frost, or white flowers with a slight blue tinge, it is difficult to discern, but evenso. I'll let you be the judge of them:

Now, about those flowers in the Shadow Lands. My search is ongoing, but obviously they are found in vast glowing quantities in the Cerulean Coast, giving the region its name. They grow in such quantities that they are likely native to the area, and merely only happen to share the appearance of their Liurnian counterparts.

The non-glowing flowers can also be found in the Cathedral of Manus Metyr. In the tortoise ponds at the back:

And very specifically, growing around the grave of Yuri, son of Ymir:

So what's the point of this long flowery post? We know Ymir was once a mentor of Princess Rellana of the Carian royal family. Likely he came to the Shadow Lands as part of her entourage, either as a Carian himself or an independant researcher, we don't know when exactly he left his allegiance to the moon.

As Rellana's mentor, he would have had access to the Carian Manor, home of the royal family, and the Study Hall as well. As a learned sorcerer, he would have spent much time at the academy too. He would have likely spent much time in any one or all of these places, and travelling between the three. As an observant man he would of course have taken note of the plentiful, beautiful, blue flowers.

I like to believe that before he was sent or decided to go to the Shadow Lands, he took some of the flowers of Liurnia with him as a keepsake, and after all in the Shadow Lands were abandoned and forbidden by Marika from ever returning to the Lands Between, they were one of the few pieces of his homeland he managed to take with him. (I highly doubt those who left for holy war in the Shadow Lands knew that Marika would abandon them there. Would they honestly go if they knew?)

The flowers in the cemetery are well cared for. They and the grass around them are lively and with colour, the foliage around them the same drab lifeless colour as plantlife in lands touched by the war.

We don't know for certain if Yuri was always just a fingercreeper or once a human boy who passed away before the events of the DLC. Nevertheless Ymir loved him enough to surround him to with the flowers of Liurnia, of magic and sorcerers, of their homeland. A small patch of beauty amongst the bleakness of the land.

[nastasyafilippovnas]

Imagine the epicness of the boys s03 if, instead of the completely random, unnecessary and useless butcher/maeve relationship, they had developed butcher/annie, with her giving him the temp v and hooking up.

[mariejordans]

homelander didnt wanna kill marie tho and thats made pretty clear.

she was unconscious for x amount of hours or days and woke up in a vought facility. what makes u think he wouldnt have just torn her apart limb by limb with his bare hands in that whole time she was out?

marie can be cut with a simple switch blade. his strength would be more than enough to make up for heat resistance.

shes one of five confirmed people to survive his laser so thats not really as big a deal as some are making it.

but there is someone people keep forgetting that is probably the real reason shes being kept alive.

neuman.

homelander is working with neuman. but neuman is probably hyper aware that her and marie arent stronger than him and she is probably keeping some things from him too.

what do u think the supe virus to control them that neuman took was for?

okay aside from the fact that it was already confirmed by the writers in an interview that homelander was shooting to kill and marie survived (seen below), i think it was very clear in that moment that homelander wanted to kill marie when he lasered her. from the language and manner of speaking he used when he was addressing marie, to him being very visibly angry, especially after he saw cate’s popped off arm, it seemed as if he had perceived marie as the threat that he was called to take down.

and even without the writers saying it, andre literally said she “took that blast like a fucking champ, anyone else would be in the ground.” to me, that’s confirmation enough that marie survived homelander’s full blast on her own, not bc he toned it down.

(here’s the part of the interview)

and okay, after marie survived the blast that was meant to kill her, i can see then homelander wanting to spare her, if only so that he could control her. that kind of power is as useful as it is dangerous, so idk that he would immediately jump to tearing her limb by limb. but even that is just a theory bc we literally don’t know ANYTHING about what happened immediately following the laser. we don’t know how or who, specifically, is responsible for marie and co. ending up in a vought prison, or if it even is vought’s doing (mind prison theory is still possible imo.)

we don’t even know for sure if the reason marie survived the blast was even because of enhanced strength/endurance. there’s literally SO much of her power left to explore that we don’t know about yet. and it was being hinted at constantly throughout this season that marie is far more powerful than meets the eye, so i don’t think it’s fair to say for sure that marie is weaker than homelander. also, being 1 of 5 confirmed supes to survive his blast out of thousands of supes is still pretty impressive to me.

as for the stuff about neuman, i agree to an extent, it was one of my first theories after watching the finale that she was gonna be involved somehow, but i don’t necessarily believe it’s the reason they are all still alive (unless neuman is the one who has them currently). i def think she’ll play a huge part in what happens to the four, and even with her working with homelander, i’m sure she definitely has her own agenda.

[crethida]

Oedipal in the streets, Oedipalized in the sheets