#high rufousing

[identifying-cat-phenotypes]

Very interested in seeing your thoughts on these two!

oh! i love designs, and the poses here are so cute!

I'm assuming the red cat is intended to be a Somali, so they would be a longhaired (black) ticked tabby with low white and high rufousing (ruddy), causing the red effect.

the lower cat looks like a blue spotted tabby with medium white! gorgeous, and such dynamic posing!

[loonarmuunar]

Hey man. Mink Bluestar + chocolate Oakheart = cinnamon fireheart n colorpoint mosskit ok?

Everythings mostly the same except Mistyfoot and Stonefur die as kits with Mosskit

[duskfeatherz]

you should draw hollyleaf............

sorry this took a hot minute, school decided to ramp up when i posted last time LOL

bonus genetic stuff because im autistic about that

[whatcoloristhatcat]

sorry if this is an odd question but what exactly is rufousing? sorry i dont know that much about cat colouring fhdhjev

i can't believe i haven't explained this !! >_<

rufousing is a polygene (multiple genes that contribute to an effect) that affects the "warmness" of a tabby cat's coat! (we don't know exactly what genes cause it yet.) basic examples, left is a black mackerel tabby with low(er) rufousing and right is a black mackerel tabby with high(er) rufousing

this is what black tabby fur looks like (source is sparrow's garden):

ignore the red fur on the right for now i can't crop it out.

agouti (aka tabby) fur has bands of eumelanin (black) and phaeomelanin (red) that makes the fur between a black tabby's stripes appear lighter and more brownish. the amount of "yellowing" this fur has is decided by rufousing!

often, rufousing is most visible in a cat's cheeks, chest, stomach, and legs. it's also especially visible in areas where more of the shaft of the fur is visible, like where this cat's fur is folding up where they're crouched:

ok obvious question: how are these not tortoiseshell tabbies?

a: although rufousing is decided by the presentation of phaeomelanin, which makes red cats red, these cats with high rufousing are still black-based! all black-based tabbies have phaeomelanin in their fur, rufousing just decides the visibility of it. notice how the stripes on tabbies with higher rufousing still remain black - if these were tortoiseshell tabbies, their stripes would also be red.

rufousing can also affect the "intensity" of the redness in a red cat's coat, but that is like never what i'm referring to on this blog :p

[amber-tortoiseshell]

Theoretically, how long (how many generations) would it take me to breed non ticked tabby Somali cat that still has that high ruffesing?? Also, how could someone do that??

(Be free to info dump me, that's why I'm here X3)

That's really hard to tell, rufousing is too polygenic to predict it, or at least for me. In theory, only two generations can be enough, especially if you start with an outcross that already has pretty good rufous, but more realistically, outcrosses are usually pretty close to standard and considered purebred again by the fourth generation - but that's only when every generation is crossed back with the original breed.

Here's how someone who works with sphynx described their outcross program:

F2 already has very sphynx-like conformation, and i couldn't tell F3 isn't purebred on my life. (Look at the head and ear shape compared to F1!)

However backcrossing here doesn't give back the dominant allele, so our case with the non-ticked somali would the more complicated: the F1 x Somali cross would give 50% homozygous and 50% heterozygous ticked (this should be visible on the phenotype, but i'd probably still test them to be sure). F1 x F1 would give 25% non-ticked but probably a less Somali-looking cat.

So let's say we do somali backcrosses for 3-5 generations, and by then we have some reasonably somali-typed cats half of whom carry non-ticked: i think, in theory, 25% their offspring would be basically a non-ticked somali.

But at this point, of course, this is still a very small gene pool. To widen it, every time we introduce a new somali, we'd have a "puffer generation" of heterozygotes that slows down the process.

[littlehungrywarriorcats]

hiii! i was wondering about the leathers on a cat, about the ranges of colours they can be? the most i know is that cats with white can get pink leathers, calicos can have multicoloured and spotty leathers, and that ive only seen black cats have black leathers

what are some of the rules around which colour cats can have which ones? also how does rufousing, albinism, vitiligo, silver, golden, etc affect them?

thank you 💚

Leathers come from the color of the pigment or lack thereof! :D

Black cats get black noses, blue cats get blue noses, etc etc... chocolate cats get chocolate noses, you know the drill.

Red cats get red noses, but the breeder term is "brick."

Tabby cats often get red noses too, with a kind of trim around the outside matching their pigment:

Notably, even very warm point cats seem to keep their nose pigment:

Pink noses come from a lack of pigment, either leucism or complete albino.

Noses that are mottled/patched/flecked with multiple colors have multiple pigments (or a mix of presence/lack of pigment). For example, a black & ginger tortoiseshell might have a black & brick mottled nose. A black tuxedo cat might have a black & pink mottled nose.

You'll often (but not always) see the nose's different colors as part of the pattern. The splotch of color is affecting pigment everywhere it lands, whether it be skin or fur:

Silver doesn't seem to affect nose color moreso than regular tabby does.

Smoke doesn't affect nose color either:

I haven't found any textual confirmation, but non-piebald golden siberians (which is more likely Siberian Gold than widebanding?) seem to have lighter noses than I would expect from black tabbies:

...But not always:

Since the discovery of Siberian Gold is so new, I can't confirm 100% if any given cat is Siberian Gold or widebanded gold (or both) since most images' sources haven't tested that. My guess is that widebanding probably doesn't affect nose color (since it's affecting band size, not pigment) but Siberian Gold might.

Again, nothing textual, but I haven't noticed rufousing affecting nose color...

High rufous:

Mid-rufous:

Low-ish rufous:

Somali:

So yeah, there's little differences but they don't seem to follow a rufousing pattern, just kind of individual or up to lighting.

Hope it helps!

[identifying-cat-phenotypes]

can you tell me what the f*ck is going on with Hope?

he's mostly cream, not white, i know he looks a little pale in this image 😔

my first instinct was a chocolate self tortoiseshell and white. HOWEVER. as he is a cream colour this is not so.

Cream cats, as a dilute of red, are always tabbies even if they're genetically solid. He could be a ticked tabby cream, but we'd still see some tabby markings, especially on his face.

so I'm considering maybe a chocolate self tortoiseshell and white (with the white hidden by the chimera) and a fawn self chimera. This would allow Hope to have solid patches that appear cream, along with blue eyes, and his red and chocolate colouration.

maybe a fawn caramel? this could make him appear more cream...

On the other hand, he could also be a highly rufoused chocolate classic tabby (with white) chimera with fawn self, which would account for the brightness of his tabby patches. interesting design! i got to go off the rails with this one

final assessment: some kind of chimera, maybe with fawn?

Hi, Jay asked me to help assess this one! My first thought was "Oh, this could be labeled fawn!"

The white (cream-ish base that the other markings seem to be drawn over) clocks me as high white. This is partly due to the fact that the eyes are a pale blue, and that it doesn't match any pointing genes. Simple.

Other than that, my thoughts lead to a chocolate tortoiseshell self with high white!

I'll be tagging both of them in the post, because both options are valid interpretations!

[identifying-unusual-cat-flavours]

High rufous gray (maltese dilution) broken mackarel tabby with folded ears. Breed: Scottish Loop/Fold

[psystirene]

WC x Rainworld Day 13 - No Significant Harassment

OKAY GUYS IM GONNA BE FR I DONT HAVE AAAANY SPOONS TO WRITE A DESCRIPTION EVEN THO I LOVE NSH </3 I will come and edit this later if I remember to, to give them the explanation they deserve, but for now this will be short </3

Sigilnose is the current mediator of Tideclan, having held the position for quite a stretch of time (pre-flood). They are the father of current deputy Foxchase, and, more recently, the mate of Moonstar!

While Sigil received some judgment after bringing home a litter of kits with an unknown mother, all the while not being considered the most serious member of the clan, Sigilnose was able to more or less smooth things over. If there's anything they can rely on, it's their charisma and easy-going vibe.

Notes: - Sig is a chocolate wideband tabby, maybe a bit of silver too but I'm not sure. Foxchase inherited the wideband ("golden") trait from him, though Fox also has high rufousing. This makes Fox genetically black and not ginger. - Sig is clanborn, and the scarf they wear is one they found while out near the Twolegplace. They usually don't wear it outside of camp, and it rests as a blanket/pillow in their den when they have it off. - Sig is fairly adventurous for a mediator, and has gotten into a few scuffles, leading to several scars... And the aforementioned "random" litter

[clangenrising]

Please give some RisingClan trivia in these trying times? (Has had a very bad day) Likkeee…

Who do you like writing the most? Who do you have the most difficulty with? What’s Orangestar’s favorite meal? Things of that nature ^^ Just some silly stuff :D

Haha How can I refuse? okay, let's see....

Its hard to say who I like writing most, I tend to have more fun with specific scenes than with specific characters, but I will say that the one piece we got in Razor's POV was so fun to write, just like, getting to see the world from his twisted perspective for a bit.

In that vein, I don't have a character who is the hardest to write either. I guess kittens are hard for me, I struggle with writing children accurately to their ages haha.

Orangestar's favorite meal is squirrel. I'm currently struggling to map out the politics in the city following Razor's death. Russetfrond's dad was a big blue and white classic tabby named Wolfmoon. Barleybee isn't actually ginger, she and Sparrowsway are both cinnamon, she just has high rufousing which makes her look redder (like abyssinian and somali cats).

I hope your day gets better <3 I'm glad RisingClan is something that brings you joy

[mamadarama]

Kuro and Madara both seem like maine coons but Madara(and also Leo ) also give me calico vibes. Kuro also fits the norwegian forest cat.

Himeru is one of those freaky ass lanky oriental cats or a russian blue

Adonis is an egyptian mau or a siamese, Kaoru is an orange, Rei is a regular black cat but with weirdly shiny fur and Kouga is a cat who was raised by pitbulls and will not accept the reality that he’s not a pitbull

Keito is a regular european/domestic shorthair but with a weirdly green tint to it

I would say Mika is a khao manee due to the eyes but he is big eyed dark brown colored LaPerm( the specific image I have in mind is one of the pictures in The Cat Encyclopedia and I’m not even sure if it’s for that breed)

Tori is a munchkin

OK OKOK SO i actually already have breed hcs for everyone bc im so autistic abt cats i was gonna wait to talk abt them as i made the cat designs but progress is going really slow on those and now that someone is talking to me about it i cant make myself shut up . i agree with a lot of these !!! im just gonna go ahead and list all of my hcs though bc im insane (these are my somewhat realistic color hcs for what they would be if i didnt choose to make them all candy colored when i draw them lol)

(disclaimer: this is on appearance alone, not all these breeds and mutations are ethical, not all these colors actually appear in the breed stated or are combinations that dont exist, and some of these colors/breeds are extinct)

gonna put this under a readmore cuz its ...... a lot (i woulda added pics too but theres definitely way more than 10 cats here)

fine

eichi - ragdoll, cream point, important to note he is a purebred show cat

wataru - oriental longhair, blue bicolor harlequin

tori - munchkin/british shorthair, dilute calico

yuzuru - domestic shorthair (feral TNR), tuxedo, otter like coat texture

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trickstar

subaru - abyssinian, cinnamon

hokuto - american bobtail, black with blue undertones and low white

makoto - scottish fold, golden, non breed standard (longer face)

mao - ragamuffin, red with high white

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akatsuki

kuro - siberian, black smoke striped tabby

keito - domestic shorthair, brown mackerel tabby with low white

souma - japanese bobtail, brown broken mackerel tabby with high white

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eden

nagisa - maine coon, light gray sokoke tabby

hiyori - laperm, silver sunshine agouti with low white

ibara - chausie (feral), blue cream

jun - thai pisaat, black ticked tabby, kinked tail (pisaat characteristic)

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undead

rei - oriental longhair, black (looks brown in sunlight), long teeth (this isnt a mutation, some cats just have longer teeth than others— my design is inspired by mingus the panther, a black oriental shorthair that was popular on the internet for his huge fangs)

kaoru - turkish van, medium longhair, red chinchilla tabby/white

adonis - arabian mau, but with toyger coloration

koga - lykoi, dark gray/black roan, thinks hes a wolf due to being raised with dogs and the lykoi being known as the "werewolf cat"

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knights

leo - domestic shorthair, dense coat, medium white calico, long teeth

izumi - domestic shorthair, lilac striped tabby with low white

arashi - singapura, breed standard

ritsu - bombay, non breed standard (longer face) long teeth like rei but slightly shorter

tsukasa - ragamuffin, chocolate tabby with medium white, higher rufousing

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crazy:b

rinne - chausie, red grizzled tabby, high rufousing

niki - nebelung, non breed standard (shorter fur)

himeru - domestic shorthair, blue solid, small rounded ear mutation

kohaku - longhair american bobtail, sunshine lilac lynx point

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alkaloid

hiiro - chausie, red grizzled tabby (darker tabby than rinne), high rufousing

aira - ragdoll, cream point, non breed standard (shorter fur)

tatsumi - australian mist, silver spotted

mayoi - oriental siamese, seal tortie point, non breed standard (shorter face) edit: hes more of a balinese tbh

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rab*its

nazuna - somali, fawn, notably smaller than average

tomoya - domestic shorthair, fawn based caramel classic tabby

hajime - russian blue, breed standard

mitsuru - kurilian bobtail, chocolate solid

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valkyrie

shu - donskoy (brush), warm gray with white

mika - appears to be a kurilian bobtail, actually domestic longhair (medium), black heavy tortie, odd eyes and bobtail mutation (khao manee cats do have odd eyes, but can only be white. also mikas backstory lends itself to him being a randombred)

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2wink

theyre twins, so both are red classic tabby domestic shorthairs. theyre somewhat smaller than most cats .

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switch

natsume - domestic shorthair, red solid with minimal white

tsumugi - american wirehair, solid chocolate and white, non breed standard (longer fur)

sora - highlander, golden classic tabby with white, ringtail mutation

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ryuseitai

chiaki - havana brown, chocolate

kanata - turkish van, blue classic tabby/white

tetora - bengal/abyssinian, zorro mask charcoal bengal with high roufusing

shinobu - domestic shorthair, black/medium white spotted, somewhat short tail

midori - domestic (medium) longhair, fawn based caramel solid with white

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MaM and others

madara - maine coon, calico (my design for him is based off dawntreader texas calboy, a male calico maine coon that was the subject of controversy among cat show judges for being a genetic anomaly)

(madaras name actually means calico cat!! madara (斑) means spots and mikejima (三毛縞) means tricolored stripes, with "mike" often referring to calico and tortoiseshell cats. as a kid he also had the nickname "mikekun" in reference to his tendency to startle people by sneaking up on them silently like a cat)

anzu - british shorthair, chocolate tortie with medium white

jin - domestic (short) longhair (stray), dark gray, rough fur texture

akiomi - oriental longhair, fawn

kaname - british shorthair, blue solid, non breed standard (longer face)

[phenotyping-cats]

Cinnamon ticked tabby

Grub is an awfully skittish kitty but I think Gale, being a cat guy, would take the time and have the patience to gain his trust and befriend the little orange angel.

Bonus pic of them chillin below

[failsquirrel]

cats bred to resemble foxes. the high rufousing in abyssinians was added to mink (as well as colorpoint and sepia) and refined to resemble a fox's coat. the foxlike look of oriental longhairs were added in as well, and over many years the breed grew to look very close to a fox with long muzzles, large size and bushy tails.

[warrior-cats-genetics]

heyyy heyyy hiiiiiii,,,,, oriole [left] n pheasant [right]

your creatures are very unfortunately vertical my friend.... but i know them dw

i always have a certified Time differentiating between chocolate and cinnamon, but! oriole is a shorthair chocolate/red mackerel tabby tortoiseshell with high white! [i may blame the darker/redder base on rufousing, but unsure if i want to...]

and pheasant is a shorthair black silver mackerel tabby with high white!

i say shorthair tentatively, their neck fur is quite long, but since the rest is shorthair, i'm classifying them as such ^^

[somerandomicthings]

Sasha, friends and genetics

I will post this only here and Tumblr, because i'm not want to use an anti-ia filter on a sketch page for now.

This is a thought experiment, as i was remembering Sasha description on the Wiki, and i thought: She could be a tortoiseshell, as the books uses a wrong description of a colourpoint, with only having brown ears and tail, with a tan body.

So i decided to make a "biblically" accurate Sasha in genetics(this is just for fun, don't take this seriously), with other cats too that appear on Tigerstar and Sasha and a Shadow in Riverclan with some genetics that are for fun.

Warning: Huge genetic info dump bellow:

Sasha would be a tortie with white, she is cream(as cream is a diluted red, she couldn't be stripeless, as red causes a falsee tabby thing) and has brown ears that can be stripeless, she also has white that can let her have blue eyes(i'm not entirely sure on this one, correct me if i'm wrong).

Tigerstar 1 is a black tabby genetically, with low wide band, so he is slightly darker than normal(i should made him a darker brown however, missed oportunity), he doesn't have any white, it's just the effect of the tabby pattern in his face.

Russetfur is a black tabby but with low wide band and high rufousing, so she is not necessary red, but looks like red. As her father is a black tabby so it's impossible to her to be only red without being tortoiseshell, this is a option for her to still be red, if maybe her mother is a low wide band and high rufousing cat.

The next is Feathertail's tail, she is just a silver cat with high wide band, so she is mostly the same.

Leopardstar is not genetically accurate but i made her to look like a jaguar, a native animal in my country, she looks kinda cool, not gonna lie.

Anyway, Hawkfrost is black tabby, but he is a ticked tabby, which is less accurated to his canon version, but i found more fun like this. He has white spotting, which lets him have blue eyes.

Mothwing is a high wide band ad high rufousing black tabby, which makes her golden looking, she is also a broken braided tabby, to look dappled.

And finally Tadpole, the most non canon looking of the bunch, he is a midnight charcoal tabby, making him look like he has a mask on.

[foryouthegays]

made the crew (in joining order) w @littlehungrywarriorcats new piccrew!!! its so fun ive made so many cats

explanations below cut :3

i didnt go for realistic coats and i know a few of them are Very Unlikely or Impossible. its fine were having fun

luffy: he was the first one i did and i had to decide if i was factoring in like actual appearance or just Vibes. i decided on mostly vibes and went with a light orange (sunshine vibes) (and also for the stereotype that orange cats r Less Smart). i also wanted him to be yellow bc of asl :3 (i made sabo and ace too of course).

zoro: originally i had him as a weird fucked up lilac but then i realized i didnt have ANY basic tabbies so he was Chosen. i like him i think hes cute.

nami: orang,,,,cat burglar,,,, honestly i struggled w her for a bit bc i didnt want her to look too similar to luf but ya know who cares. shes darker and i think she looks good

usopp: i wanted him to be tuxedo (a lot of tuxedo patterns to me look like arrows and ya know. sharpshooter) BUT i also wanted sanji to be tux (bc he wears. suit) AND robin (well. id want her to be black w v low white, but close enough). i actually did all three of them like. three times. but i like where usopps landed! (i also briefly considered making him entirely white as a 'they cant stop fucking whitewashing him' joke but. no.) biiig ears. to See You.

sanji: STRUGGLED w this man. i was thinking abt making him calico or tortie bc of the split face effect and i wanted him to have black (stealth black ref) AND orange (well. yellow. bc hair) but i eventually landed on just this light orange w the split face. again, a bit too similar to luf, but [shrugs] the patterns are different so whatever

chopper: im literally obsessed w chopper. i spent the least amt of time on his and just tried to go for vaguely raccoon-y and god hes so cute. look at him. my darling boy

robin: she started as black w one little white star but then i wanted usopp to be closer to that and i wanted another tortie so i made her this like kinda fucked up pattern. i love her i think she looks so good. unsure if its ya know. Possible. but her <3

franky: was originally gonna just do like a solid blue but then i was like wait hes trans in my Soul he should be tortie. so now he is :3. gave him no tail as a ref to the train. no real thoughts abt him

brook: i wanted him to look like a skeleton. i think i succeeded. this is another one w like no thoughts head empty just vibes.

jinbei: obviously blue-ish bc. [points at him]. also a spotted tabby bc whale shark. i think hes cute. i dont think abt him often enough to have actual ideas but idk i like this one. maybe not really Jinbei Vibes but hes cute hes cute.

i also made sabo (black w high white but i kinda want to change to solid blue), ace (brown tabby w. rufousing? whatever it is that makes it More Orange). low white (same pattern as zoro), and shanks (kinda like a muted orange tabby, missing tail (bc arm))