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see, everything is an epic cycle (or literally anything) ref if you tried hard enough. “I wanna eat my brain” tydeus. You wanna fight god? diomedes. you wanna commit identity theft? odysseus. apple? golden apple of discord. horses? hektor. trojan virus? i dont need to explain this.
#iliad#the iliad#tagamemnon#the odyssey#odyssey#greek mythology#epic cycle#diomedes#odysseus#tydeus#hector of troy#hector iliad
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I have been obsessed with the idea of Paris coming to the modern day in the same way Midas, Lityerses, and Medea did. Like, If anybody had some unfinished business, it's every citizen of Troy. Anyway here are some different little scenarios I've cooked up about how this silly little war criminal fared after making a mad dash for the doors of death in HoO.
Ok, so in this scenario, Paris is recruited by Gaea just like all the other spirits who come back from the dead. He ends up being tasked with working alongside Octavian. At first, he's driven only by grief and anger at the loss of his own family and city. As they approach Camp Half-Blood, Paris regularly remarks on how happy he is that's he'll be the one storming the walls this time. But over time, he slowly finds himself growing worried about Octavian's sanity. He tries to steer Octavian away from making reckless decisions, but Octavian refuses to back down. Paris sees the deadly fervor of his fellow soldiers in Octavian, and pulls away. From here we split off into two endings. 1. (the sad one) Octavian's fate plays out the same as the books and Paris just has to deal with how his actions unintentionally spurred the young man towards his own death. Or 2. (the happy one) Paris leaving is the wake-up call Octavian needs, and he pulls himself out of battle at the last second, breaking the cycle of hatred and wrath that started at Troy. Pick your fighter I guess.
In this scenario, Paris is not the only one who comes back from the doors of death. Half of the Argo II crew find him in Ancient Greece (Don't ask why he's there instead of Turkey idk shhhhh) And he's very helpful to them in whatever quest they're trying to complete at the time. All's well that ends well, except the OTHER half of the Argo II crew actually just met up with Hector on the other side of Greece lol. Turns out neither brother knows the other is alive, and the Argo II take the time to reunite the pair. I would specifically set this in BoO, and have the focus be on Jason and Leo as parallels for Hector and Paris, especially with them both thinking about sacrificing themselves bc of the prophecy (the whole "storm or fire" thing). Like, my idea is that a lot of emphasis would be put on Hector dying first, and how he sacrificed for Troy, and how Paris wishes he could've saved Hector. And Jason would come away from that thinking "Yes, I want to be Hector, i've made peace with making the final sacrifice to keep my friends safe" and Leo thinking "I'll do what Paris couldn't and give my life so that Jason doesn't have to" and ahhhh angst.
This is a ToA scenario instead of an HoO scenario. Paris and one of his siblings come back to life like in the last one, but instead of it being Hector, this time it's Cassandra. Idk when this would happen in the timeline of ToA, bc those books are so tight knit (maybe the infamous TTT to TON roadtrip) But I would add a little side quest where Apollo and Meg have to find Cassandra bc Nero's trying to kidnap her or smth. They run into Paris while they're searching for Cassandra, and the three of them team up for a lil bit. In this scenario, Paris works as a direct parallel to Apollo, all though he's a bit further behind on his redemption journey. Basically, Apollo feels like he's looking at slightly embarrassing old pictures of himself. When they find Cassandra, Apollo offers a genuine apology for everything he did to her. Emboldened by Apollo's example, Paris also opens up to Cassandra in a way he'd never done before. The two are finally able to air out their shared grief from Troy, and they set out to ... idk New Rome or the Waystation or smth. Either way they're a lot closer as siblings now, and Apollo promises to visit them once the Trials are over.
Of course, these are only my ideas that kinda fit into canon, I have a whole bunch more that go entirely off the rails. Anyways this pathetic little failure of a man has bewitched my body and soul or whatever I love rolling him around like a balled up chewing gum wrapper.
#trials of apollo#heroes of olympus#sunny speaks#apollart#paris iliad#hector iliad#cassandra iliad#toa apollo#lester papadopoulos#octavian pjo#jason grace#leo valdez#greek mythology#long post
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IMAGINE being Andromache and your DAD and seven BROTHERS were killed by a blond twink and your HUSBAND gets also killed by said twink bc he killed the twink's bf
#iliad meme#the iliad#paris iliad#hector iliad#andromache of troy#the song of achilles#achilles#patroclus
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I barely ever reblog anything but I feel like I need to endorse this message.
the iliad it boy and tamer of horses
#rb#sunny speaks#points to a 40 year old war vet: THAT’S MY BOY. MY SON.#hector iliad#Hector of Troy#though I will say I am of the opinion there was nothing to forgive sooo /j#this gay supports the people of Troy. I need that on a pride flag actually.
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But never let me die without a struggle and without acclaim
#animation#art#class hw#tagamemnon#iliad#the iliad#achilles#hector of troy#andromache#greek mythology
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i've noticed just how often achilles' dragging of hector's corpse is framed mostly as an act of extreme disrespect, or only some brutal show of triumph. personally i think that's underselling both achilles' intention and what the trojans must be thinking as they watch it happen.
hector's corpse is divinely protected so it can't be damaged by the greeks after death; all that effectively happens in the iliad is that his body gets dirty. but under normal circumstances (and i'm not gonna impose realism on mythology, but the iliad is famously detailed when it comes to bodily trauma), the physical reality of dragging a corpse along stony ground for miles would be severe disfigurement and dismemberment. first the skin would wear off, then soft tissues, then extremities would start to detach. i think the iliad's original audience would be aware of that as an intended outcome.
achilles (who doesn't yet know that hector's body has been granted divine stasis) doesn't just want to parade his enemy's corpse around, he wants to tear it apart ("i only wish that this fury inside my heart would drive me to carve you to pieces and eat your flesh raw..."), he wants it to not resemble a human anymore. he wants hector's blood and flesh to circle the city of troy. he wants to make it impossible for hector's family to gather the pieces of him to cremate and that way hector's spirit won't find passage into the underworld. that's what the gods are preventing from happening, they're not just keeping the corpse pretty for priam to pick up later.
#it's so rarely acknowledged academically and NEVER in adaptations (not even the '''''realistic'''' ones)#like you can see a billion artistic depictions of hector's corpse tied behind the chariot#but i think it's easy to forget what achilles is TRYING to do (and why failing to do so frustrates him so much)#AND why the sight of it would be especially horrific to hector's loved ones#anyway sorry for being gross and gruesome my excuse is that i'm an iliad nerd with a medical degree#i love hector he is precious to me i swear#the iliad#tagamemnon#gore cw#edited the opening to this post because my original wording was very glib about 'our' perception of violence
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a quick psa to anyone recently getting into greek mythology and is a victim of tumblr and/or tiktok misconceptions:
-there is no shame in being introduced to mytholgy from something like percy jackson, epic the musical or anything like that, but keep in mind that actual myths are going to be VERY different from modern retellings
-the myth of medusa you probably know (her being a victim of poseidon and being cursed by athena) isn't 100% accurate to GREEK mythology (look up ovid)
-there is no version of persephone's abduction in which persephone willingly stays with hades, that's a tumblr invention (look up homeric hymn to demeter)
-as much as i would like it, no, cerberus' name does not mean "spot" (probably a misunderstanding from this wikipedia article)
-zeus isn't the only god who does terrible things to women, your fav male god probably has done the same
-on that note, your fav greek hero has probably done some heinous shit as well
-gods are more complicated than simply being "god of [insert thing]", many titles overlap between gods and some may even change depending on where they were worshipped
-also, apollo and artemis being the gods of the sun and the moon isn't 100% accurate, their main aspects as deities originally were music and the hunt
-titans and gods aren't two wholly different concepts, titan is just the word used to decribe the generation of gods before the olympians
-hector isn't the villain some people make him out to be
-hephaestus WAS married to aphrodite. they divorced. yes, divorce was a thing in ancient greece. hephaestus' wife is aglaia
-ancient greek society didn't have the same concepts of sexuality that we have now, it's incorrect to describe virgin goddesses like artemis and athena as lesbians, BUT it's also not wholly accurate to describe them as aromantic/asexual, it's more complex than that
-you can never fully understand certain myths if you don't understand the societal context in which they were told
-myths have lots and lots of retellings, there isn't one singular "canon", but we can try to distinguish between older and newer versions and bewteen greek and roman versions
-most of what you know about sparta is probably incorrect
-reading/waching retellings is not a substitute to reading the original myths, read the iliad! read the odyssey! i know they may seem intimidating, but they're much more entertaining than you may think
greek mythology is so complex and interesting, don't go into it with preconcieved notions! try to be open to learn!
#tagamemnon#the iliad#the odyssey#homeric epics#homer#greek mythology#greek myth retellings#greek gods#ancient greece#zeus#poseidon#athena#medusa#trojan war#epic the musical#percy jackson#pjo#the song of achilles#circe#lore olympus#hector of troy#odysseus#odysseus of ithaca#read the odyssey i beg you
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Dear children of Priam, were you doomed all along?
#I FINALLY FINISHED ITTTT#greek mythology#the iliad#iliad#tagamemnon#the hand placements are very intentional#apollo’s hands over hector’s throat bcs that’s where he was… yk#killed#Aphrodite cradling paris’ face a face known for it’s beauty and hand over his heart the poor thing that got him into this mess#and Apollo over Cassandra’s eye and mouth bcs while she was able to see the future#no one would ever believe the prophecies told from her mouth#hector of troy#hektor#hektor of troy#kassandra of troy#cassandra of troy#kassandra#paris of troy#yeah I don’t think I can just tag paris lol#apollo#aphrodite#deadbaguettesart#artist on tumblr#click for better quality#oh my god please do that
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The Iliad is probably one of the funniest books I ever read
Like I'll be having a not-so-good day, then remember how Hector had given himself an entire pep talk to fight Achilles. He saw Achilles running full speed towards him and proceeds to just book it.
Or when Menelaus got shot by an arrow in like in an ultimately nonfatal spot, and Agamemnon begins prematurely mourning him while he's standing there like 🧍♂️” you're scaring the men.”
Or when Odysseus is walking around the camps with a royal scepter and is just beating people with it if he finds them packing or suggesting to leave.
Or when Hector is brainstorming on how to face Achilles and for a moment goes, “Maybe I could talk with him, we’re both princes, we can both be rational, I could reason with him… that's a horrible fucking idea.”
I have more, but these, in particular, really tickle me.
#greek mythology#achilles#the iliad#patroclus#hector of troy#menelaus#agamemnon#trojan war#odysseus#the oddyssey
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I'M NOT OKAY
#mentally unwell#the iliad#tagamemnon#hector of troy#odysseus#the epic cycle#epic: the musical#epic the musical
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this scene had me laughing why'd they run around Troy not once not twice but THREE times
how big even is Troy
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he gets the point Achilles you can stop now
#doodle#achilles#hector of troy#odysseus#as commenter naturally#imagining the trojans watching them like they're watching an F1 race#the iliad#tagammemnon
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official iliad cheese post
notice: im not a cheese expert
also this is also a modern context and me randomly naming cheeses
Odysseus: Hates cheddar, loves feta (thanks @/empireofmen’s gf)
Diomedes: Loves cheddar, hates babybel for some reason
Ajax the greater: loves cottage cheese, i dont think hes picky tbh
Ajax the lesser: lactose intolerant
Achilles: He hates fermented cheeses but will inhale anything else
Patroklus: Likes swiss, hes not very picky
Menelaus: Lactose intolerant
Agamemnon: loves fermented cheeses, hates cottage cheese
Hektor: loves spicy cheeses, idk what he hates i cant tell
Paris: lactose intolerant
Helen: loves sharp cheeses, hates crumbly cheeses
Cassandra: Likes babybel, hates swiss
Priam: loves paneer, hates crumbly cheeses
Hecuba: loves fermented cheeses, hates mozzerella
#iliad#odysseus#diomedes#ajax the greater#ajax the lesser#achilles#patroclus#menelaus#agamemnon#hector of troy#hector iliad#paris iliad#helen of troy#helen of sparta#helen iliad#cassandra iliad#cassandra of troy#priam#hecuba#the iliad
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The wrath of Achilles...
#Achilles#the iliad#patrochilles#hector#homer iliad#achilles x patroclus#greek epic#ancient greek#greek mythology#tagamemnon
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Oh my god wait. What if the blessings of the gods manifested physically? Like if a god takes an interest in you, EVERYONE is going to see it, for better or worse. And if you lose their favour? Everyone can see that, too
Jason with a peacock tail and feather-crest, both of which go faded and limp when he turns on Medea, so that they drag on the floor and get in the way
Pollux with eagle wings instead of arms, so Castor acts as his hands and that’s why they’re inseparable. When Castor dies and Pollux splits his immortality with him, they each get one arm and one wing, so one can’t fly without the other
Odysseus with a forked tongue and fangs—a subtle feature that he can hide when he needs to. When Athena feels like being helpful (like when she disguises him as a beggar) she’ll cast an illusion over it, but Penelope immediately recognises him by his lisp
When Athena gives Diomedes the blessing of seeing through the gods’ disguises, he also gets owl eyes and the ability to turn his head 180 degrees. This helps when Odysseus tries to stab him in the back on the Palladium heist
HERACLES WITH BULL HORNS. I have nothing to add I just think that sounds sick as hell
Helen grows beautiful golden feathers instead of hair. Nothing useful, just an obvious sign of her heritage that adds to her appeal to the suitors: whoever wins her hand gets to walk around with a physical symbol of Zeus’s favour
Atalanta with antlers that snap when she gets married, leaving jagged shards behind that won’t go blunt and can’t be sharpened down. She can have her husband, but he can’t touch her head without risking badly cutting himself. This can either be one final blessing or a curse depending on how consensual you interpret the marriage
Hector has pristine white raven wings, making him even more terrifying to the Achaeans, flying into battle like divine intervention, and a symbol of hope for the Trojans. Achilles plucks the feathers off his corpse, but they won’t stop growing back. Still, Achilles has a cloak made from them and wears it into battle, turning Troy’s symbol against them
Paris gets dove wings, but he tells everyone they’re too small to fly with because he’s a coward and doesn’t want to have the same responsibilities as Hector. Then he flies away from the duel with Menelaus in front of the entire army, and that’s when Troy finally loses what’s left of their respect for him
#Greek mythology#greek myths#greek gods#the iliad#the odyssey#tagamemnon#castor and pollux#dioscuri#odysseus#diomedes#heracles#helen of troy#Atalanta#hector of troy#paris of troy#rosedtalks
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They're talking about horse riding
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Stop adapting the iliad and the Odyssey into movies. You'll never succeed. Adapt them into shounen anime, as is their god given right
#look at the amount of introspection in the Odyssey and tell me it doesnt call for an animated sequence of the character turning#to the screen with an exasperated and simplified scribble face#the Odyssey#the iliad#odysseus literally rips of his clothes before fighting people#nestor constantly complains about his age#hector literally tells paris to die#aphrodite tries to pick up aeneas and drops him after getting shot#and then apollo catches him#ares gets stabbed and goes whining to zeus who calls him a disappointment
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