#heavenxearth

[lany-d-flow]

素晴らしい!

Amazing addition!!!

Canon is there because it's part of the message the writer is expressing to the readers.

Shipping is fun and a great expression of creativity in fandom, yet just because our preferred ship didn't become canon, doesn't mean the writer hates/doesn't prefer one of the characters of the said ship. Infact it could be quite the opposite, but to put it simply: the writer chose a canon pairing because it worked better with the themes, the message of the story, thus making their message all the more nuanced and artistic.

Let's think about it. Writers probably don't look at their characters and think,

"Hmm, X and Y are both underserved people who could make a great pairing if they eventually realize their mutual hardships and approach to life's challenges can help those who experiences mutual struggles, thus tying in with my main theme of Community."

"BUT I think Z is cooler and I like their design better, so I'm going to put them with X while Y is left in the dust."

That's simply a missed opportunity in storytelling, and would possibly raise the eyebrows of readers.

It's mindsets like this that we shouldn't use when looking at canon.

Maybe there's a narrative device that causes a bit of wavering for a protagonist--and more specifically the reader/player. Eventually one of the folks dies and later the plot reveals the protagonist's main reason for fighting, also why the protagonist took his path in life in the first place: one of the characters as part of the wavering. It was done to create a romantic story with themes of illusion vs. Reality, life and death, commitment, unconditional love, etc. It was also done to subvert the audience's expectations and eventually comprehend and appreciate the message of the romantic story when it reached its conclusion. One of the ones in the wavering could not get with the protagonist since they already had someone in mind who ended up being their primary reason even when he didn't fully remember that reason, but also because the former had a very specific role in the story that nobody else could do, and she was able to fulfill it in death. Yet despite this, she left an impact on the protagonist and eventually she had somebody else to reunite with.

And what does it all connect to? The themes of life and death.

And guess what? Maybe there's a message we want to tell people, and we can do so via characters we are familiar with.

We can convey that message by making a fanon scenario for the other character and protagonist, and that won't change canon.

The canon story's not there to make you despise everything; it's there to creatively tell us something, hopefully leaving an impact on us when we draw our conclusions to the writer's work.

Thank you for the reblog. It was marvelous!

Just Another Perspective on Fanon and Canon

I remember talking to some good folks on these two ideas while also talking about the "preferred route," a route that's most likely to become canon in a story's continuity. Well, I wanted to give my two cents on how to treat fanon and canon while using a certain topic, popularity, to make my point. So, here goes:

I would like to pull some screenshots for this topic:

All right, each of these screenshots have two pairs to a specific story.

Final Fantasy 7: Cloud and Tifa end up together. Their love is realized during the Lifestream sequence; they have an intimate night under the Highwind before the battle with Sephiroth; They raise 2 Children--eventually 3 in Dirge of Cerberus--and both have their own business: Seventh Heaven, Tifa's bar; Strife Delivery Service, Cloud's business done via his motorcycle. Ship name is CloTi. Another ship in the FF7 fandom is Clerith. The latter ship wasn't realized in the canon story, but plenty of its fans enjoy--while respecting the other ship--writing, drawing, and talking fanon and they're great, amazing people!

CloTi is generally the more popular of the two

Avatar: The Last Airbender: Aang and Katara meet after Aang is released from a self-made iceberg while in the Avatar State. After going through many struggles and eventually bringing peace to the four nations, Aang and Katara end up together, with the last scene in the series showing the two kissing. In continuity, the two raise a family of 3 children together. Ship name is generally Kataang. Zuko and Katara start as bitter enemies, and slowly close the distance between each other throughout the story. They both faced a similar tragedy--losing their mother--and together they defeated a common enemy. Their story of enemies to close friends has a lot of depth, one of many story arcs to appreciate in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Ship name is Zutara. Between the two, Kataang is canon.

Zutara is generally the more popular of the two.

So what am I putting all this up for? Well, to state my perspective on the topic of ships, canon and fanon, popularity, and appreciation/depreciation

Popularity is meaningless to what happens in canon, and it is one of many things that cause unnecessary tension in fandoms. Popularity could also change overtime and these screenshots lose their meaning. Just because canon's more popular doesn't give a good reason to bash fanon. Just because fanon isn't canon doesn't give a good reason to bash canon. And just because canon's less popular doesn't make it non-canon. Both ideas can be criticized, yet respected.

If there's written canon for something in a story, it should be respected. It is what the writer intended for their story, and if you did not like the outcome, that's fine. What's unnecessary is spreading misinformation and showing rudeness towards others who like and respect canon, to the point of something completely uncalled for like death threats. Fanon/headcanon will not become canon unless the writer chooses to make it so in their story. And fanon sure as heck will not become canon if one decides to harass the writer.

Also:

If there's fanon from a story, it should be respected, too. Some people genuinely love what the writers gave them. That does not mean they are not allowed to write different outcomes for the story or write their version of continuity. I know people who prefer fanon over canon. BUT they also love canon and will defend it without a second thought. There's plenty of brilliant people like that around, and fanon can end up being an interesting interpretation for different outcomes. Also, there are folks who aspire to become writers, artists, etc. or who simply want to improve their skills in each of this. I believe fanon is great for honing these skills, just like canon can hone your research skills and writing skills if you're looking to write something like a defense essay/analysis. That's what research is good for: Discovering and Re-discovering, especially the latter when misinformation starts to spread.

There's people who like the universe of a story, a series, a franchise. Fans are passionate for these things and would love to create something out of them as well as discuss them with other people. The real world doesn't always allow that, so that's where fandom comes in. There's endless potential for creation and connection in fandoms. Of course, since we're human, fandom doesn't always get along with outcomes, canon, fanon, etc. But if one's aware of said mishaps, we should do our best to work through said issues.

Respect canon, respect fanon. Don't twist what's written but feel free to make an interpretation of your own while respecting others' interpretations. Unnecessary stigma will move very little forward, while also causing unnecessary pain for plenty. We love what we're fans of, so let's respect each other in the process.

[silver-wield]

Man I used to like Aerith and in a way I still do, but the cult makes it really unenjoyable to engage with content related to her. And that kinda sucks.

I've never liked her character because she's weak and I prefer melee, but I tolerate her cause she exists. The cult make me look forward to the moment she dies so I can watch their meltdown and cackle while eating popcorn 🤣🤷

The cult made things so bad a lot of cleriths ditched the tag for a new one. @otp-oasis-heavenxearth what's the new tag for that? I never look so idk.

[hartofhearts]

Claudia’s words and memories of the promise

I know the Claudia/Cloud’s mother flashback scene has been discussed quite a bit, but I don’t think I’ve seen something yet which fully answers why Cloud had a starry sky in his eyes (a callback to his promise with Tifa) after waking up.

(this infamous shot)

But it finally occurred to me: Cloud wakes up with the promise scene on his mind BECAUSE the flashback reminded him of it. And the flashback reminded him of the promise because the promise was on his mind during his entire conversation with Claudia.

(Spoilers for the Remake and OG throughout.)

Backstory for the memory, and spoilers for the OG: Cloud is only having this conversation with his mother because he was trying to hide from Tifa. He’s trying to hide because he doesn’t feel good enough for her. He doesn’t feel good enough for her because he isn’t a SOLDIER. A SOLDIER IS good enough for Tifa because a SOLDIER has the strength to protect her and take care of her. It’d be no surprise to me that a moody 16 year old boy would be sulking brooding on these thoughts while his mom is trying to mother him.

Now, onto the scene:

We start with Cloud lounging on his bed, looking at the ceiling, while his mom chats with him from the kitchen offscreen, to the right.

Claudia: I’ve never been so proud. The man you’ve become... Women must be hounding you day and night.

Cloud: Not really.

We know from the OG that in this moment Cloud isn’t proud of himself. He became an infantryman, not a SOLDIER. And he’s only had one girl on his mind the entire time, so regardless of whether or not women were hounding him, he’s not into it. He tries to shut down this conversation because it’s not making him feel great. (Claudia, on the other hand, is a great mom and is trying to get her son to acknowledge his accomplishments. But as most people know, cheering up a broody 16 year old boy isn’t easy.)

Next,

Claudia: You know, there’s all kinds of temptations in the big city. I’d feel a lot better if I knew you’d found a good girl--one who’d make sure you didn’t get into trouble.

Cloud, with his voice slightly sulky: I can take care of myself.

We see him roll to the left, facing the wall and away from his mom’s voice.

Cloud only joined Shinra because he wanted to take care of someone else: TIfa. He does NOT want to be told that in actuality, he needs his romantic partner to take care of him and that by extension he can’t be her hero, can’t take care of her. He totally disagrees with everything his mother is saying and doesn’t want to hear it.

Claudia, like any mom, knows her son is being mopey in the face of her advice (maybe that he’s being immature and a silly goose? 😜) and does NOT relent. (I do not buy that she is clueless to his feelings and doesn’t hear his sulky tone.)

Claudia: An older, more mature girl that could keep you on the straight and narrow--and tell you when you’re being a silly goose. That’s the perfect type for you, I’d say.

Cloud tries to totally ignore this part of the conversation. No verbal or physical acknowledgement. His eyes are closed and he’s plainly trying to sleep, to better shut out her words.

Tifa has been on his mind throughout this entire conversation, as she is the reason he disagrees with every line his mother has said. Cloud wants to deny everything his mom said, because to agree with any of it would mean that he failed his goals and that he failed his promise to Tifa.

This is why when Cloud wakes up, we get a visual cue to his promise at the well. Because that promise at the well weighed heavily on his mind when he was living that moment.

Final thoughts:

>> Isn’t the C//erith interpretation way more straightforward than this, so wouldn’t that make it likelier?

Background to why Cloud is having this flashback in this moment, and spoilers for the Remake: the previous scene shows Cloud facing the full brunt of motherly scrutiny and protectiveness for her child. Elmyra has told Cloud that he can’t pursue a relationship with Aerith. That as a SOLDIER, he has made the choice to give up a normal life for power. The final shot of Cloud shows him staring after Elmyra and pursing his lips in thought, while Aerith wonders wtf happened while she was gone.

There are a couple big things about this scene that triggers the flashback for Cloud:

It’s been a while since he’s seen a mother in action, which reminds him of the last time he saw his own

Here he is disagreeing with one mom, and it reminds him of times he disagreed with his own (Elmyra tells him that SOLDIERs make the choice to give up normal lives and relationships, which goes against why Cloud wanted to become a SOLDIER... though this could only be acknowledged at a deeper level, as it reflects on his True Self)

I know that one common interpretation is that the flashback is triggered as a sort of “(Cloud’s) mother knows best” way to suggest that Aerith is the ideal partner for Cloud. (Which I disagree with on a thematic level... if mothers always know best as in the case of Claudia and Cloud, then why should we say Elmyra DOESN’T know best in case of her daughter, where Elmyra is saying her daughter doesn’t need to be hurt by another SOLDIER so Cloud should leave? But that aside.) 

FFVII has always been a game about double meanings and subversion of expectations, so I 100% expect that the devs put this scene here to suggest Aerith as a romantic partner. However, with the context of the actual event + Cloud’s behavior during that event + the starry sky scene in Cloud’s eyes, I think it’s safe to say that there’s a double meaning/subverted expectation here. The flashback is showcasing how Tifa has always been a very important someone to Cloud and was really the person on his mind at the time.

>> But what about Claudia’s actual thoughts on his perfect type? Doesn’t that preclude Tifa? Is Claudia actually wrong about what her son needs?

Well, it’s really only the word “older” that would exclude Tifa, and even then, translation of the original Japanese suggests that use of the word “older” is inaccurate. The Japanese script really just means someone more mature and lady-like. See this post by @100wendybirds​, which really made a lot of things click for me! Based on that, I think Claudia’s description actually could fit Tifa, though young Cloud doesn’t want to see it that way at the time (he’s hung up on how HE has to take care of HER, and hasn’t yet accepted that his romantic partner can take care of him, too). 

As a fun observation, given the context that Cloud was being a bit childish in this interaction with his mother AND that Claudia wasn’t surprised at all, it seems as though Cloud really does need someone more mature to guide him and keep him out of trouble. Now where do we see that happen?

Sorry for the long post! And shout out to @silver-wield​, @otp-oasis-heavenxearth​, @nibelheiim​, and all those other amazing people who’ve written incredible analyses and inspired me to look at the game like this with their posts. Thank you! :)

[iaintyourbro]

Best of FFVII Banana Twitter

This started at 5am ET on 8/9/2020. It started when @enigmaphenomenon​ asked Emmie for a Betty in a banana suit. Then I was bored of my Twitter PFP and title so asked for Rufus. The rest of our crew began to get dressed up... and then we brought in lore, a fake shipping battle (Strawbana), fake canon stuff, etc. 

People started following it. It was hilarious and is still going on.

It took a lot of negativity out of the space for a bit. 

Now today we’re getting fed with Cloti fanart for Cloud’s birthday!!

Originals (It started at three and grew to what it is now): @enigmaphenomenon​ @otp-oasis-heavenxearth​ are the two tags over here I know off the top of my head.

Me attempting fanart:

[holysmotez]

No problem and thank you for YOUR additional insight and that important correction/note with the translation!

That’s actually a really good point that even in post-Meteor world, Cloud still might not have fully understood his feelings of reverence/awe, and why he felt like he needed Aerith over Tifa. Or at least he didn’t have the language for it. He didn’t know how to explain that his behavior wasn’t because of an emotional affair, but probably knew that often times a denial or overexplaining can sometimes sound just as incriminating as a straight-up confession. He’s also making the mistake of assuming how Tifa might react, so he chooses silence— which is one of the most corrosive things to a relationship. So in this sense, he was also between a bit of a rock and a hard place, as Tifa was with him.

Also, your Cloud Thoughts Timeline is really bang on, too and I much enjoy FF7 being summarized thusly 😄

Jealous Tifa in AC

Please pardon my delay on this, RL work tied me up this afternoon a bit, but it did give me time to think on this question @magicalchemist asked me: 

“Why do you think the devs decided to point out so specifically in an Ultimania about Advent Children Tifa’s jealousy of Aerith and have Cloud hiding that he went to the church from her. To push the LTD? Or to highlight communication issues? I would love your take on that”

My short answer is that I think it’s some of column A, and some of column B.  My full reply is under the cut due to length (I’m sorry) and for spoilers

Keep reading

[dipperdogrpg]

This probably came up somewhere in reddit and other places, but how many of you think Jenova/Sephiroth has Cloud as a spy on Aerith? Sort of like a sleeper agent, he will behave until the cells in his body need take control. They manipulated Cloud into thinking he is going after Sephiroth for revenge, but it was for Cloud to join the reunion instead. Like the "I can feel her" line is Jenova/Sephiroth urging this action to get Aerith. If Aerith is with Shrina, then how can Sephiroth/Jenova get the black materia to summon meteor? Maybe there's way more to the whole "it's not real" line from Aerith than we thought. What if Cloud asking what she knows about Sephiroth is jenova/sephiroth trying to get information? If this is the case, then gosh. Cloud's warning he is dangerous to be around goes to another level for Aerith. Just how much is jenova/sephiroth manipulating Cloud while he's around Aerith? Jenova's goal was to wipe out the Cetras. Would love to hear some thoughts and theories if you think this is a possibility.

@silver-wield @otp-oasis-heavenxearth @nibelheiim

[madara-fate]

can we ask who your favorite Naruto and ss blogs are based on personality then? Makes sense to follow people you already follow who think they’re likable :)

I’ll probably forget a lot of people, but...

@ina-bon, @raineya, @daniel11209, @tachipaws, @the-foxy-family, @theclosetpoet7, @mrm64, @levy-studies, @nunnallyoz, @veenia, @elite-kunoichi, @kuriquinn, @pig-suit, @otp-oasis-heavenxearth, @mugiwara-lucy, @mika213, @konohanosakuya777, @slashers-hell, @blue-analytic, @lauryn-fr, @b-i-t-c-h-y-m-u-g-g-l-e, @desi-pluto, @lemonade-of-gods, @quirklyss, @mamafishfound, @csisui, @afrouchiha666 and @shybre22.

Now please bear in mind, I met all of those people in the Naruto fandom, but some of them have now moved onto other fandoms, so bear that in mind.

[themelodicenigma]

Do you think the reason some fans speculate that localized translations of the Kingdom Hearts series are faulty is because in the past American translations of Japanese anime have been faulty or purposefully misleading?

Absolutely, which extends into just localization in general.

There is a certain stigma around localization in fandom in general, if in particular those regarding Japanese based products. Some official translations will be praised, while some are considered abysmal. Ultimately, the very idea of generally discrediting localization is born a bit from ignorance on the topic of translation and the localization process of a given company. If I were to talk about KH, and by extension Square Enix, this taboo surrounding localization isn’t really warranted, at least on the scale and in the way english speaking fans tend to do. There’s a specific process and department (based in the Tokyo headquarters) that deals with localization of any language, which combines that of internal and external supports in getting it done. Between cultural differences, time restraints, and project coordination—everything is done to the best of its ability and as intended as those with authority decide it to be. It’s okay to point out the differences between languages—it’s as much a study on that and culture as it is anything else related to the purpose of the material. However, whatever becomes finalized in a given language is official, and as it is, isn’t any less in intention than that of the primary language of those who created the product. If there happens to ultimately be a difference in meaning for certain lines (or nuanced things missed due to language), then that can be talked about, sure, but that’s not synonymous to every line that isn’t a literal translation.

@otp-oasis-heavenxearth provided this PowerPoint created by Richard Honeywood, who back in the day is basically the one who spearheaded the efforts of solidifying the localization process and department at Square Enix Tokyo after FFVII released. It goes into more detail about the process, of at least what they had when he was around (this was made in 2007), but it also seems to have carried on permanently considering what Kitase had to say about the process in 2014 about Lightning Returns.

A typo can be a mistake, and differences can be pointed out, but something can only ever be called a “faulty translation” if it can be proven that what was translated in whatever language wasn’t actually intended to be what it ended up being by the end of it—it can also be faulty if the translated information is inaccurate with corresponding factual information expressed in the original language. (beyond fictional works)

Is it even a difference that doesn’t fit the context of the story, a story that isn’t ultimately different because of language? If not, it shouldn’t be looked down upon carelessly. It’s not “wrong” just because it’s different.

[flowerslightning]

Hi! Do you have any ship analysis about Cloti/Zerith? I love your character analysis about Tifa and Cloud

Hi hi ! Thank you for the support

I dont have much about shipping analysis. I suggest u to check on @silver-wield @otp-oasis-heavenxearth @nibelheiim They have bunch of good observations about Cloti and other stuff too

Will probably make one for Zerith, if I have enough materials to talk about. Right now, i'm interested with Barret's armgun

[fauzhee10069]

Not challenge your opinion or anything, but I want to make my point clearer as maybe you misunderstood because what I wrote was also unclear (sorry for this part).

It’s not about Cloud and Tifa have to get ‘legally’ married in order for their conflict to sound 'valid' and make sense. Forget about the post-apocalypse, we may even be living in a different culture and belief.

Let’s say, between me and otp-oasis-heavenxearth as audiences, we may be projecting ourself to Tifa.

otp-oasis-heavenxearth as a married wife with her ups and downs marriage, is projecting to Tifa.

I, a single woman still looking for potential mate (with several relationship failures in history including some toxicity and abuse), am projecting to Tifa.

And that’s how otp-oasis-heavenxearth can appreciate the struggle of Tifa to mend her relationship with Cloud as much as possible .

But in my POV, Tifa could potentially waste her life for that as I care to her character and think that she deserves better than this.

Still, neither of us are actually Tifa.

And it's up to the writer to tell what path Tifa will take.

I hope you don't misunderstand me again, that I don't intend to dictate Nojima about what he should write… or that he sucks, or that he’s wrong.

And canon is ‘canon’, and I (am a mere audience) have to just accept it.

I'm not saying that otp-oasis-heavenxearth who likes cloti is wrong, liking cloti in general is never wrong.

But I also can't lie to myself that I can't truly enjoy the story of cloti.

And this is why our opinions differ, because we live different lives.

As audience, we have the right to rate, but not the right to demand a change.

And if you really think that Nojima is brilliant in depicting how the couple works during post-apocalypse setting, then fine, that’s your rating.

But have we… okay, it is just me perhaps… have I ever really lived in such a setting? Never (although riots have happened a few times at my place, but that's another story), perhaps that’s why it is very difficult for me to be related to them (cloti).

So, when we may not have to be legally married in this setting (yet there is still lawsuit in AC as far as I remember), does experiencing 'broken heart', 'breakup', 'affair', 'divorce', 'moving on' also become impossible in this kind of post-apocalyptic life?

Or does ‘sticking together’ become obligation in this kind of setting?

I’m skimming Case of Tifa again…

I like that it mentions one of Tifa’s motivations for joining Avalanche really was revenge, plain and simple. I’m also surprised how much of it is just, showing how much Cloud’s and Tifa’s relationship does not work.

The novel starts after its end, the rest of it is told through flashback, Cloud has been gone, and Tifa has absolutely no idea where he is, he hasn’t contacted her at all. She knows he’s still alive just because she has heard from other people who have seen him. (““I wonder where Cloud is.” Tifa didn’t know and put her hand on her neck. Cloud was in Midgar somewhere. She imagined how the worst could have happened as he was caught in an accident where he went to work or he was being attacked by some monster. But she soon found out that he was still out there on jobs. There were people who had seen him. He just left the house, that’s all. Tifa was trying to convince the children that there were no problems, but she lost her composure and the children soon realized something was wrong.”)

Tifa gets mad when Cloud wants to be alone. (“Cloud was drinking alcohol even though he rarely did. He drained his glass. Tifa thought about it before going over and filling his glass. “Shall I join you?” There was something she wanted to talk to him about. “I want to drink alone.” Hearing that, Tifa lost control and said, “Then drink in your room.”)

Marlene notices Tifa and Cloud aren’t getting along… (“As Marlene wondered if Tifa was listening or not, she told Barret in a sad voice, “Cloud and Tifa aren’t getting along very well.”)

Even though Tifa makes an effort to hide it from Marlene and forces herself to talk to Cloud. (“Tifa forced herself to talk to Cloud. When Marlene was near, she would pick something positive, something that wouldn’t turn the conversation into a serious matter.”)

This deserves repeating, Tifa, forces herself to talk to Cloud!

Cloud doesn’t answer at all when Tifa asks about him feeling like the family they have in 7th heaven “isn’t enough”. (““Even though we’ve been together for some time?” “Maybe that just isn’t enough.” “Even we aren’t enough for you?” Cloud didn’t answer. “Sorry for asking some strange things.” “Don’t apologize. It’s my problem.” Cloud closed his eyes. “Let’s work hard together.” Tifa waited for his answer, though she couldn’t hear it even if she waited until the morning.”)

Cloud went to Aerith’s church and assumed Tifa would be mad, so he hid it from her. (“Cloud was making a face like a kid who thought he would get scolded. “Tell me. I’ll decide whether I’m angry or not after I listen.” Cloud nodded and continued. “Denzel had collapsed in front of Aerith’s church. That’s why I thought Aerith lead him to me.” Saying all that in one breath, Cloud looked away. “You went to the church.” “I didn’t intend to hide it from you.” “You did hide it.” “I’m sorry.”)

Cloud was also embarrassed to tell Tifa that he thinks Aerith brought Denzel to him. To which Tifa says Aerith brought Denzel to their home.

Cloud leaves 7th heaven/their home after this conversation.

Reader and Tifa are left wondering was Cloud’s smile to Tifa fake. (“Aerith brought Denzel to our home.” Cloud gazed at Tifa and finally smiled. Days after having that conversation, Cloud left. Tifa wondered if that smile he showed her was an illusion.”)

..Sorry this is a long post, but I just find it sad and love triangle kind of funny after reading this, it’s pretty ship sinking in my opinion.

[lany-d-flow]

Welcome to my Abode of Nonsense!

Not much to see here, but glad you stopped by!

You can call me Lany Destiny Flow, Lany, Lany D Flow, or any other Flow you go with!

Here I’ll talk about various things. I've written some posts for Final Fantasy VII, but that game is no longer my main focus for any future posts that I write. For now, I've pulled away from writing my thoughts until I start expanding on personal topics of interest. I can't say when I'll be able to post them, but thanks for stopping by!

Also, please note: My perspective can change with time, so you may see an older post of mine that doesn't necessarily reflect my latest posts. Regardless, I leave them here anyways to act as reminders of the past rather than attempt to erase what I once was. But if you find something insightful, all the power to you!

Long Post

Whisper Talk: Going Against Alternate Timeline Theories with a Theory, and Answering Questions Saying Otherwise

Thoughts

A Note on Cherry-Picking: Some Concerns

Seven Seconds Before the End: Theory vs. Context

Barret as a Father Figure

Just Another Perspective on Fanon and Canon (with KageSakura/otp-oasis-heavenxearth)

Humor

My Username Canon (a semi-parody on what I've spent too much time reading and talking about)

How to Make a First Class SOLDIER Like a G

If Aerith and Sephiroth Were in the Star Wars Universe

My First Post

[silver-wield]

New fan here and I just want to ask, are you sure there is even a canon ship for FFVII? I can't find any quotes or interviews from the creators that confirm that Cloud loves Tifa or Aerith. Cloud did want Tifa's attention when they were young, but I haven't seen anything saying that he actually loves her after the OG even though he lives with her in AC. With Aerith, he wasn't his real self with her the whole time she was alive in OG so he couldn't have truly loved her.

Tifa’s AC design specifically mentions her cloudy wolf ring. Which is a promise ring between them because in FF7 they wear those rings on their right ring finger, which president Shinra also does because his is a wedding band.

OTWTAS, where both Barret and Tifa confirm Cloud is in a relationship with her because you don't ask your friend to do up a lifetime supply of food and drink and if they were just friends then why is Cloud talking like he's just realised something deep? Also, Cid says women wear the pants in reference to Tifa, which is a phrase used to describe a romantic couple's dynamic. They're saying Tifa’s the boss.

And they were gonna bang in OG, but the idea was toned down. The fact the devs mooted this as a possible end to the HW scene, even though it's ultimately rejected, shows what kind of relationship they expect Cloud and Tifa to have.

@iaintyourbro @otp-oasis-heavenxearth @holysmotez @chubbybeaver77 I'm sure you guys got more 😁

[cherryscape]

there's an interview that says kishi wanted karin with sasuke and there's mixed views on whether it's fake or not?

It's fake hun. Has no source, Japanese written from left to right, slang used etc. It's fake. Check naruto forms and you'll see that kishi never mentioned Karin and sasuke together in an interview. Plus I believe @otp-oasis-heavenxearth already debunked it.

[iaintyourbro]

READ THIS BEFORE SENDING IN ANY ASKS

Due to the amount of asks I’m getting regarding certain subjects, there will be certain ones I will no longer answer and will simply delete. I’m listing those topics first with links to where you can find more information. You can further find more information below. Please know that this is due to the fact that people need to look through and see what’s already been answered instead of blindly asking questions.

I’m more than happy to answer anything for clarification purposes or new questions that aren’t shown here, but please go through these before sending in an ask regarding: Tifa Deserving better, Cloud Pining for Aerith/Loving Aerith, Cloud Choosing Aerith over Tifa, anything regarding shipping in Advent Children. Thank you!

Tifa Deserves Better than Cloud/Cloud is a Jerk/Cloud is Selfish

The TL;DR: These are usually related to how Cloud acts in Advent Children. Cloud is suffering from severe depression in AC. They’ve explained multiple times this is over guilt and due to him getting Geostigma. Here’s the answers I’ve provided:

Tifa Deserves Better/Cloud Pines for Aerith

Tifa is too good for Cloud

Cloud is in love with Aerith in AC/Any Advent Children Shipping Related Asks

Tifa is Jealous/Cloud Pines for Aerith

Why is Cloud Unhappy?

One of the Saltiest Posts I’ve Done Regarding This

Would Cloud choose Aerith Over Tifa/Does Cloud Love Aerith more than Tifa?

Tifa is Important to Cloud

More About Why Tifa is Important to Cloud

Lies about Canon Pairings

I need to make one of these because things are getting out of hand and it takes me forever to find things...

Welcome to my blog thing. This is mostly a FFVII blog with a sexy focus on Cloti. I also love me some good Zerith and Aerti. 

I’m on Twitter.

I love all of the characters. Don’t come here with anti-bullshit. However, you can absolutely talk as much shit on Hojo as you want to.

I will answer almost any ask. Keep it respectful. I try to explain as best I can, sometimes I can get excited and my answers may get a bit long. 

I try to find the humor in everything. I’ll start a post trying to be serious and somehow find something funny in it. For example, during the Ghoul battle, Cloud saves Tifa and Aerith and they get hit by some blue jizz fire. I thought it was funny that Cloud’s flat ass is on display. I will point out stupid shit.

I will respect you and your ships if you respect me and my ships. I think different ships can live in harmony. A difference in opinion on something doesn’t mean you can begin to berate and bully someone. No matter what “side” you’re on, there is a person behind the screen. Remember that.

Don’t be a shitty racist, homophobe, or other nasty type of person. Oh, and #BLM.

When Vincent Valentine finally wakes the fuck up, you will see him take over this blog, but don’t worry, it will still be full of Cloti goodness, too. 

Here is my list of things I’ve covered. Take a look and if there’s something I haven’t covered or you want more info on, ask away!

General Posts - Random Stuff

My List of Cloti Fanfiction Favorites Will be updated as much as I can remember to update it. I’m making this post so I can find this list easier... 

Nostalgia 

Tifa Asks Cloud About Aerith It’s not LTD related

Cloud Falls a Lot

Aerith’s Street Cred

That Wholesome Marlene Reunion

Xenogears and FFVII - Cloud and Fei

HAVE FUN - OG Affection Points System with Remake Story Points

Do I believe in Love at First Sight? (No)

Why Not to Compare FFVII and FFVIII

The New Red Herrings: Biggs and Zack and How Avalanche Tells Us the LTD is Dead

Musings to New Fans Regarding Canon Information and The Shipping Insanity with @silver-wield, @holysmotez, and @otp-oasis-heavenxearth

Totally Canon Chats

Third Wheel Monologue - Barret Wallace

Glad I Didn’t Miss This Opportunity

Costa Del Sol

Vincent the Fortune Cookie

Cloti Specific

Cloud and Chocobo Sam

Case of Tifa and The Kids are Alright

Case of Barret - First Page

How Cloud Looks at Tifa Part 1

Suspicious Scenes

...We’re Already Friends

Cloud Adds to His Life Lessons from Tifa

She Remembered that Comment

Chocobo Cart: Cloud in Screenshots

Cloud Looking Back at Tifa - Chapter 18

Cloud Saves Tifa

Tifa is Important to Cloud

More About Why Tifa is Important to Cloud

Hopes, Dreams, and Curiosities Series - My “Wishlists” for Future Parts of Remake

Part 2 Hopes, Dreams, and Curiosities

Part 3.1 Hopes, Dreams, and Curiosities

My Thoughts on The Lifestream and Highwind Scenes

Nojima on Characters in Remake

Cloud is a Cinnamon Bun

Cloud Doesn’t Like Giving Bad News

Soft for Barret

Marlene is Afraid of Cloud

More Cloud Soft for Barret

Cloud’s Depression During Advent Children

Why Zack is Important to Cloud

Zerith Specific

Why Zack is Important to Aerith

Train Graveyard Series

Train Graveyard Part 1 Falling in the cargo container Triple Arm Grab

Train Graveyard Part 2   Triple Arm Grab

Train Graveyard Part 3  Part 1 of the RUN scene

Train Graveyard Part 3.5 Part 2 of the RUN scene

Train Graveyard Part 4 Cloud suspects a poltergeist

Train Graveyard Part 5 Cloud and Tifa nope the fuck out

My Thoughts on the LTD (Long Term Debate) of FFVII

OG vs Remake Affection Point System Part 1

OG vs Remake Affection Point System Part 2

Shipping Makes Me Question My Sanity

The Future of the LTD Includes links to other blogs as well for further LTD Death analysis and discussion

Why is the LTD Back? Maybe?

“Is Tifa like... your girlfriend?”

Under the Highwind - High vs Low Affection - OG

How I Became a Cloti Fan (Maybe) Discussions on memory and why I probably think I remember something I don’t or feelings I may have never had 20 years ago.

Jessie Asks Cloud About Tifa

So Your Ship (or Theory) Isn’t Canon

Shitposts

WTF Were Biggs and Wedge Thinking?

A Collection of Cloud... Looking at Something...

Back Dat Ass Up.. In to Cloud

“Ghosts Aren’t My Thing”

Drunk History of the FFVII Compilation

Other Interesting Discussions

Rufus Shinra Read the comments through on this one, LOT of great back and forth discussion. Ultimately my thoughts changed from the original post, because it’s okay to do that when you’re presented with new information.

Vincent and Tifa - Are They Related?

[dipperdogrpg]

Does anyone have the correct translation for this scene in the picture? Its a false claim for anti to use that tifa was a bully. But im sure it was Cloud just being shy and refusing to ask to join the group. I read it somewhere before but can't find it.

Anychance you guys know?

@otp-oasis-heavenxearth @100wendybirds

Update! Thanks to @otp-oasis-heavenxearth

What he actually said was this.

"I really wanted to play with everyone. But I couldn't bring myself to join the group."

Cloud the shy boy.🤭

[madara-fate]

Since this fandom is mostly a mess and the tags are hell, can you suggest some good Naruto-related blogs like yours to follow? :) I love that you're always calm and collected and always back up your claims with facts without being rude or obnoxious, this place needs more people like you!

I’ll refrain from just spamming people who are part of my Tumblr family, and just name some blogs off the top of my head. In which case, you can’t go wrong with - @raineya, @bibi-loves-books, @mrm64, @thatismyninjawaytoo, @hipsterlacie, @kuriquinn, @theeternallyfangirlingauthor, @otp-oasis-heavenxearth, @warlordess, and @team7fangirl.

Some other really good ones which are on the other side of the fandom include @mrs-gossipgirl, @someone-who-is-there and @blue-analytic (although he’s not as active as he used to be ^_^).