#he's a male dilute tortie

[littleivyart]

Cider Bean❤️

[bastart13]

The big one! At least one cat of each generation is the "one who has kits"

Redtail is still a male tortie, only he's trans. Also since Spottedleaf is described with brown and gold, I thought making her a tabby tortie would make sense

Ironically despite this tree being named after Sorreltail... I couldn't make her a tortie. Whitestorm's family doesn't have any ginger and Willowpelt isn't ginger either. So, reddish brown tabby for her

Even more ironically, Cinderheart becomes more like canon Cinderpelt than my version as a result

Cherryfall, Honeyfur, Sorrelstripe, Hollytuft, and Flywhisker become torties. Sorrelstripe is especially funny because Lionblaze and Cinderheart are both dilute longhairs so their children all have to be dilute longhairs. My compromise was a fawn-cream tortie because at least that's brown. Fernsong couldn't be ginger so he's also fawn

[amber-tortoiseshell]

Male tortoiseshells

Tumblr loves male tortoiseshells, right?

It's common knowledge (...i think?) that's tortoiseshell cats are almost always females. (Here and everywhere else i use the word "tortoiseshell" in its broadest meaning: it includes all kind of calicos and torbies.) The reason of this is that the red color's gene is located on the X chromosome, so if a cat is both red and not red (in other words it's a tortie), it needs two different X chromosomes: one with the red (O), one with the black (o) allele.

Generally there are two ways to get a male tortoiseshell: he can be a chimera, or or he can have atypical number of sex chromosomes.

Chimeras are the fusion of two or more embryos thus they can have cells with different genotypes: they can be longhaired and shorthaired at the same time, have both diluted and undiluted area in their furs, or... be black and red in patches. They are generally fertile and pass the colors that their gonads (testicles or ovaries) carry, which is not necessirely the same as they show.

The normal number of sex chromosomes are two; for males an X and an Y. If a cat has two Xs and an Y, it'll be male, but it can carry both the O and the o alleles. Of course, an XXY male can easily have two red or two black alleles, and be a seemingly normal red or black cat. But they are typically infertile regardless of their color.

Let's see some male tortoiseshells!

Dawntreader Texas Calboy

Yeah, he's quite tumblr-famous, maybe you've seen that one post about him. He's a black tortoiseshell blotched tabby with white, a chimera and fertile; on his facebook page you can see several of his children. He has both black and red daughters, which means he can produces gametes from both of his cell lines.

Unfortunately I coudn't find his name, but in this picture the back right kitten is also a male tortoiseshell. Specifically, he's a black smoke karpati tortoiseshell with white and dominant blue eyes. (His breeder seems to like experimenting with new things.) More pictures and videos in his owner's facebook posts (it's possible that you have to join the group to see it): newborn kitten kitten young adult

Sherpa Cats Beyond Heaven

Beside red and black he also seems to mix pointed and not pointed. (Note the dark red cheeks and the light brown legs of a black colorpoint.) When tested, he consistently showed the results of multiple cats.

Ezra

He is red with a few black patches, and tufts of long hair. His owner tested him and the lab found both XX (female) and XY (male) cells, so he definitely is a chimera. I find his differently colored eyes especially cool!

Brady

Black tortoiseshell tabby with white, and for once not a chimera: according to the tests he has three sex chromosomes, XXY.

[felinefractious]

So my grandmother has told me she used to breed siamese cats. I don't know how well bred they were, because she stopped long before I was born, but she's talked about it. One of her stories was that one litter had each kitten a different shade of siamese (chocolate, flame, lilac, blue). I was wondering how,,,,plausible this might be? Or how rare? Not that I don't believe her, I just have no idea how the genetics might've worked on that. Wish I knew what color she said the mama was, idk if that would help at all

If we assume all of the kittens had the same parents - it is possible for one litter to have different fathers, but that complicates things so we’ll leaving it out of our hypothetical - the dam had to have been a tortoiseshell or dilute tortoiseshell and the sire couldn’t be red or cream.

We’ll assume the flame/red was a male, he can get that from the tortie queen so we’re putting him aside because he isn’t further relevant.

The blue, chocolate and lilac could be male or female.

One parent had to be black/black tortie or blue/blue tortie but both could be. The other parent could he chocolate or lilac, but both parents can’t be dilute.

Dilute is a recessive gene so neither parent may display it but can still produce dilute offspring if they carry the gene, and one parent could be dilute (blue/lilac) but not both.

Chocolate/lilac is recessive to black/blue so similarly neither parent might be chocolate/lilac but can still produce offspring in these colors if both parents carry it. Again one could be chocolate/lilac but not both.

Tortie dam x Black sire

Tortie dam x Blue sire

Tortie dam x Chocolate sire

Tortie dam x Lilac sire

Blue Tortie dam x Black sire

Blue Tortie dam x Chocolate sire

Chocolate Tortie dam x Black sire

Chocolate Tortie dam x Blue sire

Lilac Tortie dam x Black Sire

WAIT, I’m removing the little flame point from where I set them down to the side. If this flame point is a girl and the other three are boys…

Tortie dam x Flame sire (gen. black/chocolate)

Tortie dam x Cream sire (gen. blue/lilac)

Blue Tortie dam x Flame sire (gen. black/choc)

Chocolate Tortie dam x Flame sire (gen. black)

Chocolate Tortie dam x Cream sire (gen. blue)

Lilac Tortie dam x Flame sire (gen. black)

I think these are all valid combinations but I’m tired and could have made a mistake. As for the probability of getting a chocolate, a lilac, a blue and a flame… that’s a math question.

Math questions go to @amber-tortoiseshell.

[goldenflowerceo]

have any warrior cats headcannons you'd like to share? :3 /genq, curious

ooooo i'm gonna talk abt a few design ones i have that i've been meaning to share!!

so ofc the tiger clones look like. tigerstar. but i do like to dream about going all in with the tiger motif for his descendents. tigerclaw looks like a pseudo-melanistic tiger, swiftpaw looks like a white tiger (he's a tiger son to me), brambleclaw looks like a regular tiger, tawnypelt is a tortie of a pseudo-melanistic and golden tiger, hawkfrost looks like a pseudo-melanistic white tiger, mothwing looks like a golden tiger, tadpole looks a pseudo-melanistic tiger, tigerheart looks like a regular tiger, dawnpelt looks like a golden tiger, and flametail also looks like a golden tiger. i just think it's fun :3

sparkpelt is not orange. she is not red either. she is this vibrant golden-yellow and i will not be taking criticism. think like a yellow highlighter.

dilute yellow/gray yellowfang... but also rattier. i agree a LOT with runn1ngn0se’s post about her hygiene. give her mats and bottom canines that stick out like boar tusks. also i think we should design her with the trope where her brows are so thick they completely cover her eyes. those peepers only come out during times of great emotion.

oh!! not design-related, but willowpelt and whitestorm are a QPR to me. aroace woman and her gay best friend lol

also !!! i have to mention frostfur here... i think she kinda looks like the burmilla cat breed, with the sort of "frosty" gray top coloring. also i can see her as both trans female and also trans male. slowly blorboifying her in my brain... another thing to add. i think as bluestar starts to lose her faith in starclan and trust in her clanmates, she keeps slipping up and calling frostfur "snowfur" ... [keels over and dies]

i don't like the briarjay ship, unless it's a QPR or jayfeather is trans fem. briarlight is a beautiful butch lesbian

ohh!!! final headcanon i'll mention here, and it's something i want to draw one day so i can fully explain: ever since i picked up the first book back in fifth grade, i’ve only been able to picture redtail as a ruddy, brick red tabby with dark, blackish stripes and a wonderfully thick tail. he's also gained a mullet in my mind over time. i've never been able to see him as a tortoiseshell, lol

[cinderella-ish]

This is a VERY SILLY idea I got earlier this week and it took over my brain so please enjoy the Fruits Basket characters as cats! (Bonus fun: see if you can guess who they are before scrolling down!)

Mabudachi Trio + Kureno

Hatori - I went back and forth with him on whether he'd be a black cat or a Siamese cat, but his eyes are so striking! It was hard to find photos of black cats with naturally blue eyes (I'm sure they exist!)

Shigure - a Russian Blue, obviously

Ayame - clearly an elegant white long-hair

Kureno - a derpy and sad-looking chocolate tortoiseshell

Yuki and the Student Council

Yuki is the silver tabby who looks like he regrets all his life choices lol

Kakeru is the very silly tabby in the top left

Machi is the shy-looking dilute tortie in the top right

Kimi is the white long-haired Persian cat

Nao is the talkative (demanding) almost-still-a-kitten tabby

Kyo, Tohru, and their families

we already know what Kyo looks like as a cat lol but Tohru is the ragdoll cat next to him in the upper right (because she's OBVIOUSLY a ragdoll!)

Kazuma is the brown-ish Maine coon. Dignified but still a cat!

Kyoko is the light ginger and white tabby (did you know female oranges are fairly rare?)

Katsuya is a handsome adult black cat

Grandpa Honda is a sweet gray tabby

Kyo & Tohru's Friends

Arisa is a calico (did you know most calicos are female? I feel like that would fit Arisa's feminism)

Hiroshi and Yusuke are twin tuxedo cats! (Right?!?!?)

Saki is a gorgeous long-haired black cat ofc, and Megumi is her miniature

Youngest Zodiacs

Haru would obviously be a black and white cat. I think he'd have a unique marking, too, like a mustache, or a spot shaped like a heart.

Momiji is a blond German Rex (which is a breed I just learned exists!)

Kisa would be a Bengal kitten because she'd definitely look like a wildcat

Hiro would be a little baby tabby

Other Zodiacs

Akito would be a slightly intimidating black and white cat

Ritsu would be a rare male calico (and an exceptionally beautiful one, too!)

Kagura would be a very cute Russian Blue

Rin would be a skittish black cat who's actually a sweetie once she gets used to you, if you're her person

Everyone Else + Bonus Cat!

Mine would be a long-haired tuxedo cat, obvs

I thought about Mayu as a dilute tabby, but I like her as a tortie tbh

Mitsuru is an anxious white and gray cat

THE CUTIE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT IS MY CAT!!! HE'S SIXTEEN AND SO SNUGGLY AND I LOVE HIM!!! HERE HE IS TOTALLY ZONKED OUT BECAUSE THE SUN WAS OUT!!!!!

[yotenotes]

them ^^

i like to view jayfeather as the shortest of them. hes a male tortie (intersex) and i like to imagine his eyes are kinda squinted shut and only really open slightly when hes surprised. hed get his more dilute genes from sandstorm. if he wasnt diluted, he would look a lot more like a leafcrow lovechild. big ears too, which he can hear real good out of

hollyleaf is kinda average height. shes 100% crows kid, minus the green eyes. shes trans mtf, and i like to think shes much closer to lion than she is to jay. out of all three shes also the fastest.

lionblaze like canon is the biggest out of them all. he takes after leafpool a LOT in appearance. softer features, smaller ears, fluffy, and hes brown !! his coat colour specifically is what really helped sell the whole "this is brambleclaws kit" lie. also made tigerstar buy into the fact lion is his "son."

[moki-dokie]

Oh, you've seen male calicos?? That's really cool. My father has always wanted to see one but in all his years never had

yes indeedy! you come across all sorts of oddities working with rescues/humane societies :)

male calicos and torties, naturally occuring lykois (which is how they started!), many many polydactyls, chimeras, crazy coat patterns that make no genetic sense, vitiligo, cleft palates, the list goes on!

the last one we had was even a little extra special, he was a dilute calico!

[mistblaze]

Rosekin

Queen´s Right rules, folks! I can do whatever the fuck I want with Rosetail´s kits, it´s glorious. We´ll get to Thistle-asshole when I untangle the Bluekin-line.

White text is what I put in initially, blue text is when I went back to put in something I needed for their decendants to work.

Rosetail

In here as a fomality and to give her kids the Ginger genes. She´s a diluted tortie with a really funky pattern. The pattern in tories is developmental, so I´m taking creative liberties. Other than canon, her ears are also cream, as well as some cream spots up both front legs that look like rose petals. The rest is allll blue mackarel tabby with white underbelly. Why white underbelly? Because Redtail.

B/ O/ d/d A/a MC/ L/l W/S

Spottedleaf

We´ll start with Spotty because she´s a genetical dead end. Because Rosetail claimed Queen´s Rights, we don´t know what Spotty´s and Red´s dad looked like, so we can dump whatever we want in their genes. Now, Spottedleaf. Dark tortioseshell with white in canon. I also envision her as solid under all the brindling and a shorthair. I´m not settled on her final design yet, I might go with @bonefall´s idea to give her a skull mask and a blighted leaf cape or I do something else, but anyways.

B/ O/ D/d a/a L/L W/S

Redtail

So I don´t know wtf Redtail´s canon design is. He´s always been mostly white in my head. Also, in case it wasn´t obvious, he´s trans, because male torties don´t happen without a mutation. So Redtail is a white longhair with black and red ears and a mostly red tail with black rings. And yes, he´s a tabby under all that but it only really shows on his tail because the rest is white.

B/bl O/o D/d A/a Mc/mc l/l S/S

Runningwind

Bonefall infected me with the Runningred brainworm so now you shall suffer with me. He´s described as a light brown tabby, so I´m making him a cinnamon for reasons we´ll get to later. He has no white and I say he´s mackarel. I have no reasons not to stick with that, so.

bl/bl o/o D/d A/ Mc/ L/ W/W

Longtail

Runningred´s oldest kit, a single kit. Unfortunately, Redtail´s ginger doesn´t make it past himself. Longtail is described as a pale brown tabby with black stripes, which makes me wonder if he´s a black tabby with a high contrast or someone didn´t understand how tabbies work. I´m going with the first option. Also, he has to have some white, but I´m not solid on where it is yet.

B/bl o/o D/D A/ Mc/Mc L/l W/S

Sandstorm

Sandstorm´s design trips people up because we´re trying to make her cream, but @littlehungrywarriorcats brought up a fantastic idea. Behold:

bl/bl o/o d/d A/A Mc/mc L/l W/S

FAWN TABBY SANDSTORM.

Fawn looks a lot like cream, and it avoids me having to make her a diluted tortie. I would´ve gone with that, but she´s said to have stripes rather than being mottled, so here we are. Why does she have a classic tabby mc in there? That´s for her future kids to deal with. Little spoiler, their dad will not be Fireheart. She also has some white, a locket on her chest and white toes.

The future Generation

I want to have at least one kit in the new generation look like Redtail in miniature, and one kit is gonna be a classic tabby. Both Sandstorm and Longtail will have kits, but because their other parents aren´t mapped yet, I can´t do them yet. Anyways, that´s it for today.

[warriorcatpelts]

Could Redtail father Sandstorm?

I wanted to start of this blog with a hard question: Can Redtail father Sandstorm?

A long time ago, it was hypothesized that Redtail was Sandstorm's father. At some point, it was made pseudo-canon and added to the old fandom wiki. Here, I plan to take the question seriously: Can a male tortoiseshell tom produce a female red cat?

The answer is yes, but how?

There is only one way to produce a tortoiseshell tom: two fused embryos.

Tortie and calico are due to an interaction of two genes; it is not a single recessive gene and it isn't lethal to male embryos. Because most tortie males are chimeras (2 fused embryos), and not XXY, they are actually fertile although they only pass on either black or orange, but not both.

Now that we have that out of the way, we can make a choice: Does Redtail breed like a black or brown tom or does he breed like a ginger?

Well, the answer to this question requires answering another question: Is Sandstorm a true cream she-cat, pale ginger, or is she some other color?

Then, we can look at this chart to determine who Redtail has to mate with in order to produce a cat like Sandstorm.

REDtail is a RED tom

If Sandstorm is a pale ginger, then the answer has to be a red tom.

The only viable options are a female tortoiseshell and a female red she-cat. I took some liberties with potential mates based on the Hunters' absolutely hilarious description of cat coats.

Potential mates could include:

Goldenflower - a yellow tabby, aka double-dilute red aka apricot she-cat

Rosetail- a gray tabby with "pink" tail, aka a gray tortoiseshell she-cat

Now, I personally want it to be Rosetail, mostly because we don't see much of her and because I find it funny for similar suffixes to mate. But whichever one you prefer is up to you--if you decide to go this route.

Redtail Might Be Black (or Brown)

The fun thing about Hunter's descriptions and cat coats is that you can take some liberties with how you treat them genetically.

Sandstorm could be a pale ginger, aka cream, or she could be fawn, as mentioned in little hungry warrior's video on Firestar's Family Tree. This makes more sense for Sandstorm because she goes on to produce Leafpool, who is a brown tabby. Two ginger cats cannot produce a brown tabby, so it's reasonable to assume Sandstorm is fawn--just as it can be reasonable to assume that a 'dark red' cat is actually cinnamon.

This means that Redtail has to be a black, chocolate, or cinnamon tortoiseshell--which all get treated the same when it comes to breeding. The only requirement is that Redtail's mate has to be non-ginger, a pale color--which includes gray--and has to be non-tortoiseshell.

This gives us the following options:

Willowpelt - pale gray tabby she-cat

Brindleface - gray tabby she-cat

In Conclusion

Redtail could mate with any she-cat that isn't a dark color to produce Sandstorm.

See a picture of basic coat colors below the cut:

[amber-tortoiseshell]

hi! im trying to design a fictional litter of cats and if you can help that would be great :)

so, the mother is an albino and the father is black with about 30-50% white.

what we know about the father genetically is that hes B/b and S/s or Wh. as for agouti he is a/a.

the mother, of course, was a litter of three and got rather unlucky via getting the underlying albinism gene that both her parents had. the father was a chocolate colourpoint classic tabby, with very low white spotting (technically A/A, b/bl, and w/S. colourpointing gene being cb/cb). the mother is a cinnamon colourpoint calico (a/a, bl/bl, w/s. colourpointing gene is cs/cs. iirc but im definitely an amateur)

if anything in here aint fitting up thats fine I'll figure somefin else out

Hello! What an exciting ask! Let's see!

I assumed for the genes you didn't mention (dilution, silver, ect) all your cats are wild type homozygotes, and didn't include them in my analysis.

This is the family tree I managed to pull together from what you wrote.

I included six genes: agouti, brown, color restriction, mackerel/classic tabby pattern, orange and white spotting. A few notes: since the parents of the mother both carry albino, they can't be cbcb and cscs, they have to be cbc and csc. Instead of 'S' I use 'ws' for the white spotting allele, since it's the same gene as the full white (W).

From the genotypes you provided a lot can be figured out about the mother: she's a heterozygote for agouti, carries at least one cinnamon allele (the other is either cinnamon or chocolate), carries the classic pattern. She's has an o allele from her father and an O or an o from her mother. I can't say anything about the white spotting, since both parents are heterozygotes, she could have inherited anything (the chances are 25% wsws, 50% wsw and 25% ww).

Now to the main pairing! I made a Punnet square for you about the first three genes:

The type of color restriction entirely depends on what the father carries. If he has the cb allele, sepia kits, if he has the cs, you get pointed kittens, if he also carries albino, half of kits will be albinos. If he doesn't carry anything but full color (CC), they can only have Cc (full colored, albino-carrying) childrens.

As for the other genes:

Tabby pattern: depends on what the solid cats carry. Too much data is missing, I can't calculate based only on this.

Orange: with 50% chance, the albino mother carries oo. In this case, the color distributions will be as you can see above. If she carries Oo, half of the kits will be like above, the other half are black and chocolate tortie females and red males. Overall you have 12,5% chance for a tortie (6,75% for black tortie and 6,75% for a chocolate tortie - and the chances are halving again for a black tortie tabby or a black tortie solid and so on), 12,5% chance for a red, and 75% chance for a black-based color (possibilites described above).

White spotting: Father is a heterozygote, which means he passes ws with 50% chance and w with 50% chance. This means calculating the percentages isn't very complicated:

Homozygous wsws: 0.25*0.5+0.5*0.25 = 0.25 -> 25%

Heterozygous wsw: 0.25*0.5+0.5*0.5*0.25*0.5 = 0.5 -> 50%

Homozygous ww: 0.25*0.5+0.5*0.25 = 0.25 -> 25%

In summary the litter can include solid or tabby black, chocolate, black tortie, chocolate tortie or red kittens with or without white, and all of these colors in sepia or pointed (but not both). If the father carries albinism, half the kittens will be albino white as well.

[nattikay]

And here we have the genetic addendum to my Thunder redesign post.

(restating for clarity that this post is assuming that Toothless is indeed the last Night Fury aka there are no other “secret populations” hiding somewhere)

So, can bicolor Furies persist in the dragon population for 1000+ years across however-many generations? Well, let’s take a look.

Given that the Night Lights display patches of both black and white scales, we can assume that Fury colors work somewhat similarly to those of domestic cats.

For those who don’t know, cats have two main color genes: black and orange (which can then be modified by other genes into a variety of other colors; for example, the dilution gene turns black into blue and orange into creme--but we don’t need to worry about that here).

The black and orange genes are equally dominant, so when both are present in a single individual, they create a sort of patchwork pattern of both colors on the coat, aka tortoiseshells (or calicos if the cat also happens to have the white spotting gene but again we don’t need to go into that here).

The same thing seems to be happening with the Night Lights, though unlike cats whose main color genes are located on the X chromosome and are therefore sex-linked (torties and calicos are almost exclusively female with the very rare exception of XXY males, who are usually sterile), dragon color genes appear to be on a different chromosome, so both males and females are equally able to inherit both.

Here’s a chart showing this “co-dominance” over a few generations of Toothless’s lineage interbreeding with Light Furies (yes I know Ruffrunner isn’t on there, but it was easier to organize the chart with just two; he has the same night/light distribution as his siblings anyways):

As you can see, any bicolor Night Light, no matter how far removed from Toothless himself, still has a 50% chance of passing on a black gene to their offspring, hence continuing bicolor patterning!

And that’s not all. Let’s say that after several generations there are two Night Lights. They both retain the black gene, but enough time has passed that they are not too closely related to each other, let’s say idk eighth cousins or something. Let’s say they become mates and...

WOW! We can get fully black Furies again! Cool!

But is this technically a Night Fury? Well...there’s more to a “Night Fury” than just black scales, so it’s gonna be a little more complicated than that.

Let’s go back to our first-generation Night Lights, the direct offspring of Toothless and Nubless. Because Toothless can only contribute Night Fury genes and Nubless can only contribute Light Fury genes, we know that all of the og Night Lights have one copy of each species’ gene in their genotype. We can then look at their phenotype (outward appearance) to determine which ones are dominant and which are recessive.

Taking this approach, it appears that Night Fury back spikes are dominant over the Light Fury back fin. So what does that mean for future Night Lights?

Any Night Light who possesses the Back Spikes gene will have at least a 50% chance of passing it to their offspring when breeding with a pure Light Fury. Once enough generations have passed for Night Lights to start interbreeding with each other, the chance for a pair of heterozygous (Sf) Night Lights to have back-spiked offspring will be 75%. Two Sf Night Lights will also have a 25% of producing a homozygous (SS) dragon, which in turn will pass the spikes to 100% of its offspring even when breeding with a pure Light Fury.

So Back Spikes will be less common than Back Fin despite being dominant, at least for the first several generations, simply because it’ll be a handful of Sf Night Lights breeding with an abundance of ff Light Furies; however, as long as the spiked individuals continue to breed the trait should be able to remain in the gene pool for a decent amount of time, and will eventually becoming more common as it becomes possible for Sf’s to interbreed with each other.

But now let’s look at the recessive traits. While our og Night Lights have spikes on their backs, they also have fins on their legs, so we can assume that Leg Spikes are recessive to Leg Fins. Let’s revisit our chart again.

Because our heterozygous Night Lights are breeding with dominant-homozygous Light Furies, the Leg Spikes trait will completely disappear from the phenotype for the next several generations...

....but not necessarily from the genotype. While none of the earlier Night Lights will display Leg Spikes, they can still carry the gene. I’ve marked these carriers in blue. Fs Night Lights would have a 50% chance of producing another Fs Night Light when breeding with FF Light Furies.

Which, in turn, brings us back to that time when Night Lights can start breeding with each other. FF+Fs cannot produce ss...but Fs+Fs can, albeit only with a 25% chance, and we could get our first phenotype Leg Spikes in ages!

So clearly all Night Fury traits have the ability to persist through the generations, be they a constant part of the population or something hidden that crops back up later. Does that mean we could eventually get another proper Night Fury?

Yes, it is possible to get a fully black Fury again even though it is codominant with white.

Yes, it is possible to keep Back Spikes and other dominant traits within the lineage for generations to come.

Yes, it is possible for Leg Spikes and other recessive traits to reappear eventually.

But how likely is it for all these traits to just so happen to coincide on the same dragon? Alas, probably not very. Possible, yes, but very very rare/unlikely.

So, here’s what I think the future of the Fury population would look like:

Pure Light Furies and White Night Lights would be the most common. Bicolor Night Lights are also moderately common, and Black Night Lights are rarer but not unheard of. Physical Night Fury traits are sprinkled throughout Night Lights of all colors--some have extra nubs, some have back spikes, some have leg spikes...many have none and a rare few have all.

And maybe, just maybe...one particularly lucky dragon just so happens to look a whole lot like a Night Fury.

[slugswarriorsdesigns]

how would the genetics work for duchess and her kittens from The Aristocats?

So I had to do a ton of research for this, ANYWAYS

Duchess is a purebred Turkish angora, apparently. I wanted to make her a silver shaded based on the lighter belly, but apparently she is supposed to be fully white. So let's go with that. Also, blue eyes. Big hint that it's probably W (dominant white) that's showing up here, and not white spotting.

Marie is also described as a purebred Turkish Angora. She is the only female kitten, but she is also W. So we still don't know how the dad looks, except its apparently a Turkish Angora too. And the good news is that they can be several colors, even without dominant white.

Toulouse is orange, so red. No white spotting. I'd make the joke that he's ticked because he has no visible stripes but that's just animation-friendliness. So a male red kitten, which means Duchess is red. Also, his lack of white spotting implies that either the dad wasn't white at all, or he got real lucky and Duchess and her former mate were both Ww (dominant white + no white) and he got the non-white gene from both.

Berlioz brings us a bigger problem; he is a dark grey. Not a black cat! Dark gray. The lighter stomach I am going to interpret as him being smoke. Remember, smoke is dominant and is a gene that hangs around Angora cats. This also means Duchess is a tortie, as she had a black based and a red based kitten.

So; Duchess is a tortie covered by dominant white. She may be dilute, or carry it. She may be smoke, or not. If Duchess isn't smoke, then the dad has to be. But that is literally ALL we can get from this.

TL;DR White cats are a pain in the ass but at least we know she is a tortie beneath the white

[since-times-long-forgotten]

depends on which DNA the reproductive parts carry!

a few examples, info from messybeast, art by me:

Dawntreader Texas Calboy was a male tortie as a result of chimerism- black tabby & red tabby. His owners thought he'd be infertile, so they let him be around the females, but then the females got pregnant lol.

When bred to a black smoke female, he sired a smoke tortie, which means he was breeding as red. But when bred to a red silver female, he produced a silver torbie, which means he was breeding as black!

So we can assume, since he was breeding as both red and black, his reproductive parts had mixed cell-lines from the two fused embryos.

But you can also have a chimera that breeds as only one color- let's take Solkatz Pretty Boy Floyd, another male tortie chimera. He's a mix of red, blue, and white, but he only bred as red, meaning that his reproductive parts had cells from only the red embryo! He didn’t pass down black-based colors, nor dilution.

If your example, a black and cream chimera, let’s say a male, had kittens with a female brown cat: (under the cut)

First I’m gonna take the female brown cat and change her to a black tabby, just to make this easier on myself lol. She will be named BT (for black tabby). The black and cream male will be named BCC (black cream chimera). if BCC’s reproductive parts had the black embryo DNA, he would only be able to pass down black (B). For ease, let’s say that neither of them carry any chocolate (b) or cinnamon (b1) with that black- just B/B. He is not a tabby, so he also passes down a/a. BT is a black-based tabby, so she passes down B/B, and A/-. We don’t know what her second allele there is- could be A/A, could be A/a. If it’s A/A, the kittens will all be black tabbies, like mom. If it’s A/a, kittens can be black tabby (B/B, A/A or A/a), or black solid (B/B, a/a). if BCC’s reproductive parts had the cream embryo DNA, he can pass down red (O) and dilution (d/d) (and his black-based color underneath the red- B/B). Combined with BT, who is either D/D or D/d (nondilute or nondilute carrying dilute). Males will be black tabbies, or if mom has A/a then males will be black tabby or black. If mom is D/d, some have the chance to be dilute- blue tabby or blue. Females will be black tortie- they get red from dad and black from mom. They will be black tortoiseshell tabby, or if mom is A/a, then some could be black tortoiseshell. If mom is D/d, some have a chance to be dilute- blue (dilute) tortie tabby, blue tortie. If reproductive parts had both embryo’s DNA, it could be any of the above! (but you wouldn't get like... a kitten that got DNA from the black embryo that also gets dilution- each kitten only gets DNA from ONE of the embryos)

how does chimera cat reproduction work? if like a black and cream chimera had kits with a brown cat woukd the kittens be black/cream/brown?????? like is there a dilute gene in there somewhere. are both of the chimera's genetics passed on?

[sonneillonv]

Maybe New Babies?

Aspen really needs feline companionship. He loves me to death, but I don’t fit on his cat tree to cuddle him in sunbeams, I don’t get zoomies and I’m a bit old to be chasing him around the house, and I don’t groom him with my tongue (he has doubts about the efficacy of hands). Since Midnight passed, I’m looking into getting new kitties, so I’ve reviewed several shelters in town. Here are some candidates!

This little girl’s name is Rem! I love that she just invited herself into some family’s house and was like “Mkay you have a cat now”. I understand why they were like “LOLno” and I’m glad they brought her to a good shelter. I met her the other day and I really liked her personality - she reminds me of my previous cat, Persephone, who was my absolute bestie for 17 years. She’s 6mo-1year.

Rem is one of the absolute sweetest little kitties.  This little girl is really smart too!  She was found outdoors but found a nice family and kept coming in through their doggy door.  This proved to be problematic.  She also had an old injury where she had bone exposed on her tail.   After arriving at the Hermitage, she was spayed and she had the injured part of her tail amputated.  She's unsure of her roommates so we're not 100% sure whether she's okay with other cats yet or not. She really loves humans though and would love to have her own home to live in instead of the shelter.

I’m taking my mom to see her today! The same shelter also has a bumper crop of the most ADORABLE dilute orange mackerel tabbies, and they have one with little cream toe-socks who just won my heart with his sweet personality and calm nature. He’s around 3mo old.

When he’s grown, I anticipate he’ll have some truly magnificent tail floof. I’ll consider him, but I want to avoid having two male cats in the house in case they decide to get in a piss war 🙄 Also, I have an orange boy cat already. Don’t tell me there’s no such thing as too many orange boy cats. 😣 I’m trying to avoid addiction.

They also had this SUPER TINY (like, 6wks old) Tortie baby. I don’t want her, but I’m showing her to you guys because I know y’all will appreciate her FREAKING ADORABLE bandit markings!

Look at that mask! What a tiny girl! She could have fit in my hand!

This beautiful little Tabbico (or Caliby if you prefer) is named Soba! I sent an email asking if I can meet her, but haven’t heard back yet. She’s 3mo old.

This little beauty is an independent, yet sweet princess with a cuddle streak. Most of the day, Soba enjoys snuggling up in a small, dark space to nap, but will gladly follow you around asking for pets when the mood strikes. She is quite shy in new situations, but given time to acclimate, she warms up to be an absolute sweetheart! She is especially cuddly at night and is an avid biscuit maker.

Since she is a little jumpy and shy, she will absolutely need time to adjust to new people, places, and pets. She does love to play, especially with mouse toys and other cats! Given slow introductions, Soba would do well in a home and would likely get along well with dogs and busy children if given a slow introduction.

I adore her coloring and her little toe socks and I hope her foster responds!

[mann-lee-dickson69420yolo]

okay but like.. you know that myth/folklore/belief/ihonestly dont know how to catagorise this.. BUT THE THING WHERE PEOPLE SAY YOUR BIRTHMARKS ARE PLACES YOU DIED FROM? imagine if the clan leaders start to have markings that show their death blows? what if the reason why male torties/calicos exist isnt JUST because they're trans, (not denying this headcannon, just saying maybe this works too) but because EVERY MULTI COLOURED CAT IS A POSSIBLE REINCARNATION WITH THE MARKINGS OF THEIR PAST DEATHS AND GENETICALLY IMPOSSIBLE WHITE SPOTS ON A CALICO IS WHERE THEIR STARFORM DIED THE DILUTED COATS ARE FADED/FORGOTTEN DEATHS

so for example, firestar whould have a marking on his head where scourge smashed it in. in starclan he'd have a new marking around his muzzle to show how he suffocated in the smoke, add extra tabby like markings for his wounds. mapleshade when she died had a dark/or/red marking on her white mane like neck (perhaps a warning from starclan about her fate?)

MAYBE in clan cat theology theres a myth that a tiger got his stripes from great battles in the shadows from when they where banned to the darkness for a moon and an unwillingness to let the fight go so ealily, killed them one by one, only to be reincatnated/brought back to life by starclan having mercy on them. spots of a leopard where the bruising both internal and externat from their fights, too swift and agile to let claws cut too deeply in them atg the begining, but the internal damage was deadly and impactful all the same. lionclan... i got nothing, lions are boring and overrated anyways FiTe Me =P

ALSO IMAGINE THE EDGY DARKLORD HISSY BRO CONOTATIONS THIS HAS FOR TABY COLOURPOINT CATS WHO UNDOUBTABLY HAVE STRIPES ON THEIR FORARMS/CAT WRISTS AAAAAAAA