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This came to me earlier, and now I am utterly obsessed: While it was clear to me that Odysseus stabbing Poseidon wasn't any kind of Vengeance, there was one act of Vengeance after all, even if inadvertent—it was Odysseus disproving Poseidon's "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" belief right in front of his very eyes. With him as the subject, even.
Think about it—the fact that Poseidon remained ruthless and insisted on punishing Odysseus was the only reason he got stabbed repeatedly. If Poseidon had been merciful, if he had accepted Odysseus' offer of forgiveness, he would've been fine. His own ruthlessness backfired so hard on him this time that I am sincerely hoping it haunts him forever.
I am actually utterly obsessed with Poseidon thinking back to Odysseus "Maybe you could learn to forgive?" on a daily, no an hourly basis. I cannot and will not lie to you that is unironically my favorite moment in the whole Vengeance saga just because of what it says about both the characters—about Odysseus for offering and Poseidon for declining (and also because Odysseus sings it in Poseidon's own motif which is just absolutely brilliant.) And this makes me love it even more.
Poseidon was going to decline, we all know that. I don't think anyone watching—even Odysseus, probably—expected him to accept. But then I'm picturing him lying there, bleeding into the stone, and, against his will, wondering whether maybe he should have. Maybe if he had, he wouldn't be in pain. Maybe if he had not killed Odysseus' fleet ten years ago, he wouldn't be in pain either. Maybe this one time ruthlessness wasn't mercy upon himself—maybe this time, his one grand belief was wrong. Maybe ... it was always wrong.
Obviously, he would never admit to these thoughts, he would slap himself for having them one second later. But I simply need this self-proclaimed god of ruthlessness to be utterly haunted by that and question whether he made the right choice or no—whether he's even lived by the correct philosophy all his immortal life—and no matter what, be too stubborn to admit he was wrong.
He's trying to pretend like nothing changed, but the thoughts still remain. They pester him. They won't leave him alone. Especially every time someone—anyone—is kind to him for whatever reason, they come crashing back into him and they won't leave.
"What if my own ruthlessness hurt me that time?"
"What if ruthlessness isn't mercy upon ourselves after all?"
"What if I'm wrong?"
"What if I have always been wrong?"
The most dreadful thoughts imaginable to a god as proud and stubborn and old as Poseidon, but they're there now and he can't do anything about them. You all don't understand how much I NEED this god to jolt up in his bed at 3 am after having a dream or nightmare about something related to one of his many ruthless deeds (maybe even sinking Odysseus' fleet) and go "BUT WHAT IF I HAD LEARNED TO FORGIVE?? WHAT IF I STILL COULD??" only to immediately slap himself for it because that's absolutely ridiculous.
He is left to watch this belief shatter before his very eyes as he's clinging to the remains of it desperately, trying to keep it all from crumbling. Not because he genuinely believes he's right anymore, but because he simply cannot imagine ... does not know how to live by any other philosophy.
No matter whether it's objectively correct or not, it's the very thing that defines him. The thing he's known for. He has built his entire image around this, he cannot give it up no matter what ... at least not quickly or without help.
But as much he would seek to deny it, his core belief has now been proven wrong; he has actually lived through an instance where it was wrong, and he can do nothing to erase those memories or conclusions from his mind no matter how much he yearns to go back to simpler times.
And that was the real Vengeance, guys—possibly the biggest, most painful existential crisis of Poseidon's immortal life. I rest my case.
Although before I disappear back into the void I simply must give a shout out to @o3o-lapd-o3o (this came to me during a conversation in one of their comment sections for the glorious Friends In Higher Places AU, which is quite possibly my favorite piece of EPIC fan content that exists ...)
#poseidon epic#epic the musical#epic musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic odysseus#poseidon#jorge rivera herrans#i have never believed in ruthlessness is mercy#but thank you so much odysseus for proving me right#with ruthlessness of your own#how very poetic#poseidon having an existential crisis over being too stubborn for redemption is sth i didnt know i needed#i wanna believe he gets there eventually#a few centuries later#odysseus has no idea what he did btw#he stabbed poseidon and that was that#he probably didnt think he could so much as make him question this#someone somewhere out there eventually notices maybe#HAVE I MENTIONED HOW OBSESSED I AM WITH ODYSSEUS' “MAYBE YOU COULD LEARN TO FORGIVE?” YET#because I AM#that god killed your whole fleet#thunder saga!odysseus would not have offered this#i love the subtle hints at odysseus' positive development in this saga almost more than anything#the only thing I don't love about them is that they're so subtle a majority of people don't notice them#friends in higher places au?#am i allowed to tag this as that ouo#epicssay
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after six hundred strike
*odysseus and poseidon are both still on the rocks in the middle of the sea*
odysseus: ok, let's just agree to both say we're sorry
odysseus: on the count of three
odysseus: one..two..three
poseidon:
odysseus:
odysseus: see, now i'm just disappointed in the both of us
#odysseus: listen man... i just need a way to cross the rest of the water#odysseus: then we never have to interact again#poseidon: *still full of holes and bleeding* do i look like a joke to you?#listen ody's raft was destroyed by poseidon/the storm#the storm may be gone#but he still needs to cross the rest of the waters to ithaca#so what better way than the god of the seas?#even if you did just stab him repeatedly with his own trident#poseidon epic#poseidon#odysseus epic#odysseus#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic: the musical#six hundred strike
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Zeus and Poseidon cus good gods do you design them fine as hell🙏
Just a good opportunity for an art dump of the two despicable brothers. Plus I'm finally getting used to the new Zeus' design






#trust me zeus is not trying to rizz up ody😭#Poseidon would rather get stabbed than to have a normal pair of legs.#but he should at least wear something more than... that#zeus#choose your team#poseidon#posyjelly#poseipus#croccoseidon#greek mythology#odysseus#epic the musical#the odyssey
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Poseidon was the last sibling to be devoured by Kronos, and unlike his siblings that were devoured as infants, he had been devoured when he was old enough to remember how teeth felt against his flesh.
Their mother had attempted to hide him, and tore him piece by piece once Kronos found out as punishment.
#not the exact myth but my own take on it#epic the musical#greek mythology#Poseidon#Epic Poseidon#I'm very inconsistent about what he wears#he's usually just wearing the 'water skirt'#i just want him to have ptsd flashback once Odysseus starts stabbing him#art by azi
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I see someone saying
"Poseidon: Get in the water
Person: Yessssir"
And I think:
Poseidon: Get in the water.
Me: EXCUSE ME. I'm in there right now, sir, what are you waiting?
/In the f/cking water
Poseidon : these people are so easy to kill these days...

#he misses being stabbed by ody#you upset him#epic#epic the musical#poseidon#doodle#doodles#funny#silly
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After Ody gets home and, of course, slaughters all the suitors and reunites with his wife and son, that man absolutely sat down with a council and immediately pulled out schematics, like:
"Cool, cool. So, first things first: We're building new temples for Athena and Hermes. What? Placement? Oh, yeah... Just knock down the Poseidon one. It's fine. I stabbed that God, like, 20 times into submission. Pretty sure that means the ocean is my b*tch now....And f*ck that guy anyways, am I right? So, for Athena's temple, I'm definitely thinking blue✨-"
#epic the musical#Odysseus#Hermes#Athena#Ody just going around Ithaca for the next few months of his mental recovery like he's in a home remodel show with the temples#I love the idea of Hermes and Athena fist bumping in their sweet new temples- waving at Uncle Poseidon glaring at them from the water#I feel Ody would feel the need to thank them in some way since they actively were helpful to him?#Mythology tells us that gods f-ing love temples#Yeah yeah he'll fix up the palace and deal with the food stores and all that too- but first: which shade of green would Hermes like more?#Ody: F it. I'll just ask him-- GRAMPS!!!#But srsly why is Poseidon just cool with getting stabbed? I would be concerned about retribution and the raising of the tides once he heals#But i guess Ody isn't?? So yeah screw it- do whatever he wants now. Kill all the cyclops. Why not?#All he hears are screams- and he's jamming out
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So when odysseus fights poseidon it’s “badass” and “an epic anime battle” but when I, caligula-
#before anyone says anything yes I know he would be called neptune just let me have this okay?#if caligula wants to stab the ocean let him stab the ocean#it’s his enrichment#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#odysseus#poseidon#caligula#six hundred strike
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You have the most pattable Poseidon. I love him SO MUCH!!!!!

AAA YESS!! GIVE HIM ALL THE PATS
#niloasks#im not sure he likes getting pet tho#but heyy who cares#is worth the risk#he might stab you later#poseidon#sketch
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...there are other ways of persuasion...
#poseidon begging for his life on 600 strike has me 😳#still deciding if to make this before or after he got stabbed#because i'm very biased to a bloody poseidon#who said that#epic#poseidon#manwhore au#partial nudity#suggestive#if im missing any tags lmk#🌊
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Ok I very much misinterpreted the “shoot through 12 axes” part of the song The Challenge.
My first though was not that they were supposed to shoot through small openings that decorate the handle. I thought the task was to break the metal wedges.
To be fair, it was a bow with so much tension only Odysseus could string, I thought he would have the strength to shatter axes with it.
#I mean#he’s stabbed Poseidon so….#I didn’t realize until that one movie company that uses Odysseus shooting through axes was going around#epic the musical#epic the ithaca saga#epic odysseus
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#minotaur#from the previous post. his pose is awks but that's cause Thesevs stabbed him. poor boy#acrylic paint#colour pencil#ink#artists on tumblr#illustration#greek mythology#my art#Thesevs is sorta the Minotaur's half brother isn't he? Was Poseidon his dad or just the guy who made an extremely sexy bull? It's been a se#but like everyone in greek mythology is cousins at least so#im sure someone will helpfully and lengthily correct me
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Pls tell me I'm not alone—

#epic the musical#epic poseidon#poseidon epic#epic odysseus#IDK IF I SHOULD TAG THIS AS ODYSSEUS/POSEIDON SINCE I DON'T ACTUALLY LIKE THE SHIP IN ITS REQUITED FORM#I JUST THINK ITS REALLY FUNNY LIKE THIS OKAY#Serves Poseidon right to be eternally haunted not only by the destruction of his life philosophy but also the mortal who destroyed it#Poseidon denies everything ofc#But idk he looked like he wanted more#Not that i blame him#If it had been me I would have fallen in love on the spot#I mean it was WITH HIS OWN TRIDENT#Odysseus is completely unaware of the torment he caused him beyond the immediate stabbing#He's happily back with Penelope and intends to stay there#The ppl of ithaca wonder sometimes why the god of the sea is STILL camping in front of their shore sometimes#No one really bothers asking though they're too used to it atp#I am simply tagging all one-sided ship things the following now>>#simpseidon
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odysseus has two modes, bawling and brawling
he initially tried bawling to poseidon during get in the water, but that didn't work, so in six hundred strike he switched to brawling.
#poseidon got whiplash from the change in odysseus' emotions so quickly#poseidon: 30 seconds ago this guy was asking for a truce#poseidon: now i'm laying against some rocks beat by this mortal#poseidon: what the idiot doesn't realise is he's now stuck with me in my stor- wait is that my triden-#poseidon: *gets stabbed* *repeatedly*#poseidon epic#odysseus epic#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga
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hey do you ever think about how Ody stabbed Poseidon a bunch. because Poseidon was trapping him. and how Poseidon is immortal so it couldn't kill him but could hurt a lot. and the stabbing. to make Poseidon let him go. how Ody did that immediately after the windbag was open, no thinking time necessary. and how Ody was trapped on an island for seven years by an immortal
do you ever think about that
#I'm not saying Ody tried to stab Calypso a ton to make her let him go#(I mean. maybe? but probably not)#I'm saying he at least thought about it#epic the musical#epic odysseus#epic poseidon#epic calypso#the vengeance saga#the vengeance saga spoilers#600 strike#six hundred strike#nuclear war speaks
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okay but remember them and different beast having similar melodies is actually so insane to me. odysseus reacted to the sirens trying to eat his crew the same way polyphemus reacted to the crew trying to eat his sheep, rendering them the same. however, odysseus becoming the cyclops means more than just becoming a monster: he’s elevated himself beyond his men, honouring them like sacrificial animals or cherished pets. the line between monster and god is thin because of the power imbalance between themselves and humanity. we see this with calypso, who’s not a monster in the traditional sense but behaves inhumanely because she also sees odysseus as a pet. it’s a running theme as odysseus realises he’s not on an equal playing field and therefore cannot play fair if he wants to survive. originally, he tried to play god by sparing the cyclops but was doing so with the arrogance of a man who lacked the authority to take that stance, which is one of the main reasons he pissed off poseidon so much. odysseus had the gall to think he could be man and god at the same time, not realising that being a god also means being a monster
#sorry I’m in my epic: the musical phase at the moment#jorge went wild with these motifs#he was so right for this#I’m eating this up#unrelated but I think six hundred strike would’ve been improved if rather than odysseus suddenly having god powers for no reason#he had started ‘playing god’ correctly thus winning the respect of poseidon#which does kind of happen but I can’t suspend my disbelief that much#maybe if poseidon had let him stab him just to prove a point#or if odysseus had tricked him and then stabbed the shit out of him in some clever way#idk the god powers thing was a bit random#that’s just my unsolicited opinion though !! because I like the man/god/monster themes so much#RAAAAAA 🫶#epic the musical meta#epic the musical#odysseus#polyphemus#ghost speaks
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Have a poseidon wip because MAN am I cooking

#oh to be teeny tiny and held in his big strong hands#oh to stab him with his own trident until he's begging#<- the duality of man ig lmao#more like the duality of manwhore amiright#anyway.#my art#doodles#epic the vengeance saga#epic the musical#epic poseidon#get in the water
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