#he stabbed poseidon and that was that
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This came to me earlier, and now I am utterly obsessed: The Vengeance wasn't Odysseus stabbing Poseidon, it was Odysseus disproving Poseidon's "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" belief right in front of his very eyes. With him as the subject, even.
Think about it—the fact that Poseidon remained ruthless and insisted on punishing Odysseus was the only reason he got stabbed repeatedly. If Poseidon had been merciful, if he had accepted Odysseus' offer of forgiveness, he would've been fine. His own ruthlessness backfired so hard on him this time that I am sincerely hoping it haunts him forever.
I am actually utterly obsessed with Poseidon thinking back to Odysseus "Maybe you could learn to forgive?" on a daily, no an hourly basis. I cannot and will not lie to you that is unironically my favorite moment in the whole Vengeance saga just because of what it says about both the characters—about Odysseus for offering and Poseidon for declining. And this makes me love it even more.
Poseidon was going to decline, we all know that. I don't think anyone watching—even Odysseus, probably—expected him to accept. But then I'm picturing him lying there, bleeding into the stone, and, against his will, wondering whether maybe he should have. Maybe if he had, he wouldn't be in pain. Maybe if he had not killed Odysseus' fleet ten years ago, he wouldn't be in pain either. Maybe this one time ruthlessness wasn't mercy upon himself—maybe this time, his one grand belief was wrong. Maybe ... it was always wrong.
Obviously, he would never admit to these thoughts, he would slap himself for having them one second later. But I simply need this self-proclaimed god of ruthlessness to be utterly haunted by that and question whether he made the right choice or no—whether he's even lived by the correct philosophy all his immortal life—and no matter what, be too stubborn to admit he was wrong.
He's trying to pretend like nothing changed, but the thoughts still remain. They pester him. They won't leave him alone. Especially every time someone—anyone—is kind to him for whatever reason, they come crashing back into him and they won't leave.
"What if my own ruthlessness hurt me that time?"
"What if ruthlessness isn't mercy upon ourselves after all?"
"What if I'm wrong?"
"What if I have always been wrong?"
The most dreadful thoughts imaginable to a god as proud and stubborn and old as Poseidon, but they're there now and he can't do anything about them. You all don't understand how much I NEED this god to jolt up in his bed at 3 am after having a dream or nightmare about something related to one of his many ruthless deeds (maybe even sinking Odysseus' fleet) and go "BUT WHAT IF I HAD LEARNED TO FORGIVE?? WHAT IF I STILL COULD??" only to immediately slap himself for it because that's absolutely ridiculous.
He is left to watch this belief shatter before his very eyes as he's clinging to the remains of it desperately, trying to keep it all from crumbling. Not because he genuinely believes he's right anymore, but because he simply cannot imagine ... does not know how to live by any other philosophy.
No matter whether it's objectively correct or not, it's the very thing that defines him. The thing he's known for. He has built his entire image around this, he cannot give it up no matter what ... at least not quickly or without help.
But as much he would seek to deny it, his core belief has now been proven wrong; he has actually lived through an instance where it was wrong, and he can do nothing to erase those memories or conclusions from his mind no matter how much he yearns to go back to simpler times.
And that was the real Vengeance, guys—possibly the biggest, most painful existential crisis of Poseidon's immortal life. I rest my case.
Although before I disappear back into the void I simply must give a shout out to @o3o-lapd-o3o (this came to me during a conversation in one of their comment sections for the glorious Friends In Higher Places AU, which is quite possibly my favorite piece of EPIC fan content that exists ...)
#poseidon epic#epic the musical#epic musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic odysseus#poseidon#jorge rivera herrans#i have never believed in ruthlessness is mercy#but thank you so much odysseus for proving me right#with ruthlessness of your own#how very poetic#poseidon having an existential crisis over being too stubborn for redemption is sth i didnt know i needed#i wanna believe he gets there eventually#a few centuries later#odysseus has no idea what he did btw#he stabbed poseidon and that was that#he probably didnt think he could so much as make him question this#someone somewhere out there eventually notices maybe#HAVE I MENTIONED HOW OBSESSED I AM WITH ODYSSEUS' “MAYBE YOU COULD LEARN TO FORGIVE?” YET#because I AM#that god killed your whole fleet#thunder saga!odysseus would not have offered this#i love the subtle hints at odysseus' positive development in this saga almost more than anything#the only thing I don't love about them is that they're so subtle a majority of people don't notice them#friends in higher places au?#am i allowed to tag this as that ouo
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after six hundred strike
*odysseus and poseidon are both still on the rocks in the middle of the sea*
odysseus: ok, let's just agree to both say we're sorry
odysseus: on the count of three
odysseus: one..two..three
poseidon:
odysseus:
odysseus: see, now i'm just disappointed in the both of us
#odysseus: listen man... i just need a way to cross the rest of the water#odysseus: then we never have to interact again#poseidon: *still full of holes and bleeding* do i look like a joke to you?#listen ody's raft was destroyed by poseidon/the storm#the storm may be gone#but he still needs to cross the rest of the waters to ithaca#so what better way than the god of the seas?#even if you did just stab him repeatedly with his own trident#poseidon epic#poseidon#odysseus epic#odysseus#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic: the musical#six hundred strike
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So when odysseus fights poseidon it’s “badass” and “an epic anime battle” but when I, caligula-
#before anyone says anything yes I know he would be called neptune just let me have this okay?#if caligula wants to stab the ocean let him stab the ocean#it’s his enrichment#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#odysseus#poseidon#caligula#six hundred strike
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After Ody gets home and, of course, slaughters all the suitors and reunites with his wife and son, that man absolutely sat down with a council and immediately pulled out schematics, like:
"Cool, cool. So, first things first: We're building new temples for Athena and Hermes. What? Placement? Oh, yeah... Just knock down the Poseidon one. It's fine. I stabbed that God, like, 20 times into submission. Pretty sure that means the ocean is my b*tch now....And f*ck that guy anyways, am I right? So, for Athena's temple, I'm definitely thinking blue✨-"
#epic the musical#Odysseus#Hermes#Athena#Ody just going around Ithaca for the next few months of his mental recovery like he's in a home remodel show with the temples#I love the idea of Hermes and Athena fist bumping in their sweet new temples- waving at Uncle Poseidon glaring at them from the water#I feel Ody would feel the need to thank them in some way since they actively were helpful to him?#Mythology tells us that gods f-ing love temples#Yeah yeah he'll fix up the palace and deal with the food stores and all that too- but first: which shade of green would Hermes like more?#Ody: F it. I'll just ask him-- GRAMPS!!!#But srsly why is Poseidon just cool with getting stabbed? I would be concerned about retribution and the raising of the tides once he heals#But i guess Ody isn't?? So yeah screw it- do whatever he wants now. Kill all the cyclops. Why not?#All he hears are screams- and he's jamming out
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...there are other ways of persuasion...
#poseidon begging for his life on 600 strike has me 😳#still deciding if to make this before or after he got stabbed#because i'm very biased to a bloody poseidon#who said that#epic#poseidon#manwhore au#partial nudity#suggestive#if im missing any tags lmk#🌊
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Oh Jesus I thought that it was Athena who was beating the shit out of Poseidon, like she appeared and started whacking him, but it was ODYSSEUS FUCKING TORTURING HIM??? WITH HIS OWN TRIDENT??? WHAT THE FUCK DUDE
#kiri rambles#epic the musical#that is TERRIFYING HOLY SHIT#I giggled at Ody using the wind bag as a jet pack I thought he would just like blast it at Poseidon’s face but like.#that stabbing???? like ‘look what you turned me into’ YOU ARE NOT FUCKING KIDDING ODY. JESUS FUCK#epic the vengeance saga
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#minotaur#from the previous post. his pose is awks but that's cause Thesevs stabbed him. poor boy#acrylic paint#colour pencil#ink#artists on tumblr#illustration#greek mythology#my art#Thesevs is sorta the Minotaur's half brother isn't he? Was Poseidon his dad or just the guy who made an extremely sexy bull? It's been a se#but like everyone in greek mythology is cousins at least so#im sure someone will helpfully and lengthily correct me
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hey do you ever think about how Ody stabbed Poseidon a bunch. because Poseidon was trapping him. and how Poseidon is immortal so it couldn't kill him but could hurt a lot. and the stabbing. to make Poseidon let him go. how Ody did that immediately after the windbag was open, no thinking time necessary. and how Ody was trapped on an island for seven years by an immortal
do you ever think about that
#I'm not saying Ody tried to stab Calypso a ton to make her let him go#(I mean. maybe? but probably not)#I'm saying he at least thought about it#epic the musical#epic odysseus#epic poseidon#epic calypso#the vengeance saga#the vengeance saga spoilers#600 strike#six hundred strike#nuclear war speaks
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The ending of 600 Strike except instead of getting stabbed Poseidon is just getting kicked in the balls over and over again
#or better yet he's getting stabbed in the balls#epic the musical#greek mythology#poseidon#epic the vengeance saga
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So in Epic Poseidon rlly did give an ultimatum like you either “get in the water” or face the fate of all of Ithaca drowning along with his wife and son…
And Odysseus rlly did get in the water. Satisfied?
I’d say so. I’d say Poseidon in Epic was pleased enough to see Odysseus drowning. I’d say this is the moment where Poseidon did decide to leave his kingdom and family alone, since he’s got what he wanted already—Odysseus in the water, struggling for breath, for his dear life. The rest of the thing is just between Odysseus and Poseidon, with no one else as a price.
#as for Odysseus? He’d probably thought that through already#no more retaliation—just between two foes already tired of waiting and fighting#(it may or may not be appropriate to establish the both of them as foes but it’s a musical after all so I’ll give it that)#anyways at the end of the day a fight is in order and Poseidon knew that. He was expecting the fight the moment he saw Odysseus still alive#and seems like in Epic he did want a fight. And it’s more like another Ovidian competition instead of straight up fighting#and then Odysseus prevailed (method debatable) but still found himself toyed by the god#he was damn tired of everything. He knew the god was already making it personal. He had to play Poseidon’s game till the very end#so…stabbing it is?#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic odysseus#epic poseidon#the vengeance saga#600 strike#six hundred strike#get in the water
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”How will you sleep at night?”
“Next to my wife.”
THAT WAS INSANE?!
ODYSSEUS OVERPOWERED ARC WTF?
POSEIDON WHEN LOVING MARRIAGE WINS AGAINST WAR AND BLOODSHED?
HERMES THROWING IT BACK?
CALYPSO MAKING ME CRY?
POLITES STILL HAUNTING THE NARRATIVE?
THE SOULS DRAGGING ODYSSEUS DOWN?
MY BRAIN IS TOO FRIED TO COMPUTE ALL OF THIS
DID HE JUST BEAT A GOD WITH THE POWER OF LOVING HIS WIFE AND CHILD? AND THEN LEAVE SAID GODS CORPSE AS HE TALKS ABT BEING ABLE TO SLEEP WITH HIS WIFE AGAIN?
JORGE
#Epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#the vengeance saga#vengeance saga#epic the musical vengeance saga#epic calypso#epic hermes#epic odysseus#epic poseidon#jorge rivera herrans#what was going through jays head when he decided to make odysseus stab poseidon with his own trident#that was insane hello?#man i have to go to sleep now#i have an essay due#ironically its on the odyssey#man im#so unwell
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I KNOOOW Zeus is losing his absolute mind, like imagine being absolute destroyed by a Mortal, WITH YOUR OWN WEAPON!!
Zeus and Hades will never let Posedion forget this.
"..You could've just let him g-"
"SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU GOT HIM STRANDED ON THAT ISLAND."
"Yeah but I let him go after, you decided to fuck around..and then you got stabbed, repeatedly. How'd that feel?"
"WANNA FIND OUT!?!"
"Lol"
Like Posedions gonna go to Amphritrite mad as fuck cuz he's a sore loser 💀
#j.p speaks#epic the musical#vengeance saga#its so FUNNNY#(also poseidons screams while he got stabbed was soo.. 👀..)
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odysseus has two modes, bawling and brawling
he initially tried bawling to poseidon during get in the water, but that didn't work, so in six hundred strike he switched to brawling.
#poseidon got whiplash from the change in odysseus' emotions so quickly#poseidon: 30 seconds ago this guy was asking for a truce#poseidon: now i'm laying against some rocks beat by this mortal#poseidon: what the idiot doesn't realise is he's now stuck with me in my stor- wait is that my triden-#poseidon: *gets stabbed* *repeatedly*#poseidon epic#odysseus epic#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga
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"Look what you turned me into" and "You didn't stop when I begged you" while he's stabbing him again and again is so satisfying to me actually
#lads i do love the animatics i do#at the same time i can imagine Odysseus watching Poseidon's face#not unlike the Honda hatefuck#Odysseus watching Poseidon cringe and wince in pain#suddenly all that immortality becomes a bad thing#Odysseus the yapper of Ithaca just says “Exactly” when Poseidon mentions this#proceeds to pick up the trident#come on Poseidon. as Odysseus approaches. realize what's going to happen Poseidon#realize what'll keep happening forever unless you do as he says and call off the storm#Odysseus watches Poseidon's face as he stabs him#for his men. for all the delays back home. for the wife and son hours away from him#no amount of Poseidon being a god could stop Odysseus going back home#it's their ruthlessness against each other#and Poseidon's ichor defaulted his loss#epic the vengeance saga#epic the musical#epic odysseus#epic poseidon#this depiction is much more interesting that it had been at the Iliad imo
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honestly peering through the vengence saga and SPOILERS but the idea of poseidon coming back can be either deeply sinister or deeply hilarious depending on if you choose to go with the interpretation of the original myth where he was absent during athena's plea bc he was vacationing in ethiopia and is now coming back to the worst welcome back party ever (re: getting stabbed several times in the chest by that One Asshole he thought he was done with) or that he WAS present during athena's plea and purposefully chose not to say anything because he was waiting for odysseus to come within reach of ithaca, which does seem to be implied by the first bit of lyrics in get in the water "I've been waiting for this moment/.../When your home's so close and you've reached your coast/that's when our paths collide" but ough,,,,
#gu6chan's musings#epic the musical#epic the vengeance saga#i dont rlly follow the meta BEHIND the songs so it definitely could be confirmed the latter#but i think of him coming back from his neat little trip to ethiopia for a second and seeing that tiny spec approaching ithaca and the#*spits out water* 'HE'S STILL ALIVE????????' that must have ensured and i giggle a tiny bit#like 'poseidon....... how was uh; ethiopia'#*bandaging stab wounds* 'ETHIOPIA? ETHIOPIA was great. ETHIOPIA was fine'#'oh....okay. so what-'#'don't. even. ask'
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can i be a freak on main for a second? (tags)
#was a big fan of get in the water#was an even bigger freak about the odysseus stabbing poseidon and million times while he whimpered and begged#sorry#but i have to live my truth#that scene had the whole watch party silent and WATCHING#and i think about it every day#something is dearly wrong with me but idc
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