#got s8 promo

[thatbuddie]

hi i haven't watched th eepisode yet and sounds like i didn't miss anything but wanted to ask how was the buddie in this episode, i'm seeing conflict because some say it's great and a awesome set up for s9 and others are saying we got baited. just wanted to ask your thoughts.

well i don’t agree with either of those camps. the buddie this episode wasn’t great at all and i also don’t think we got baited.

i think buddie’s storyline suffered from what every other single storyline suffered from this season: no satisfying follow through. i think even with the idea that they weren’t doing anything explicit about it in this episode they could have handled it a lot better. the resting place between where we are now and canon could have been left at a more enjoyable space with one or two small scenes. instead the pause feels awkward and it feels like the loose threads of the storyline are too loose and went by completely unacknowledged.

with that said, the loose threads are still there and they will be pulled again in season 9. season 8 served as the first real acknowledgment on screen of buddie heading in a romantic direction and season 9 will continue that. so for me, that means there is no baiting as the end goal is buddie canon. i believe that all the hype for buddie during the promo leading up to the finale was more for s9 than for s8. 8x18 doesn’t offer many opportunities for pondering about what’s coming in s9 (except maybe the lingering captain question) so they need to highlight the relationships between characters as a reminder of what should keep us attached to s9. which yeah, feels a little ironic as the show seems to forget at times that it needs to meaningfully round up these relationships.

so tl;dr, two things can be true at once: the endpoint of buddie in s8 feels somewhat unsatisfying and we are still in the road to buddie canon so we can’t yet say that the whole journey in s8 was futile.

[valenschmidt]

Let’s not spread false information - it’s never been said it WAS supposed to be Tommy & Eddie. It was said it was a possibility, not a guarantee, but it quickly fell through.

Then Tim revisited the idea of bisexual Buck that got shot down (by Fox, I assume cause, well, Fox) and he then made the effort to specifically get Lou, because he is fond of him and yes there would be no need to introduce a brand new character and thus Tim started writing his lil romcom as he calls it.

Well if you wanna get technical let's get technical...

Tim Minear confirmed that he wanted Lucy in the very beginning but since Arielle was not available THAT LEFT TOMMY. So no, he didn't get Tommy because he was revisiting the idea of bi Buck. It was the other way around. BECAUSE Lou was available and Arielle wasn't, Tim decided to revisit the idea he had had during s4.

So no... He didn't make the effort. Lou just was available and Tim didn't want to introduce a new character to explore Buck's sexuality and therefore Tommy

They even let us know in the show that Hen requested for Lucy and Tommy just happened to be there

And then he had to choose... Ryan himself confirmed during my previously mentioned podcast interview that he didn't know to which one of them that storyline was gonna go so yes it was a "possibility" but it went to Buck because Tim (and maybe Ryan) didn't believe that it was a storyline that fit Eddie so Tim went to Oliver instead. Oliver also confirmed that he was approached with the Tommy idea in the early days of preparing either eps 2 or 3 so it was something that was decided as they were filming so Tommy definitely wasn't the original plan

It was ALSO confirmed yes that the main reason Tommy was chosen to be Buck's first male love interest is because Tim didn't want to introduce a new character which doesn't go into bt favor since Tommy's place could literally be filled by any other man

So yes Tim chose him but trust me when I say he's no Endgame. Especially after all the trouble bt have been causing. Tim called it an entry relationship and yes Tommy is important to Buck because he's his first boyfriend. But there are no wedding bells in the horizon...

ALSO LET ME ADD! Thanks to the lovely @/fiooredimaggioo on Twitter that Buck was supposed to have a big storyline involving Natalia and their break up that was gonna go throughout s7 but because Natalia's actress wasn't available this was scrapped

And as we've been able to see in canon... there is nothing tender and positive about their relationship because Tommy doesn't actually listen to Buck or understand him. So yes... bucktommy is canon now but with the way he's been excluded from every promo/bts/content since they started filming (even though we all know he's coming back) well that doesn't sound good, does it???

AND because I'm petty I'm gonna add this. During the days previous to S7 Tim kept posting buddie stills on his Facebook account (the first one he ever posted was of Eddie himself)

Clearly you can tell Tim has a favorite right??? And I shouldn't even bring up the first still of s8 he posted just a couple of days ago...

Oliver liked a couple of bucktommy posts yes but after 7x04 he never liked a bucktommy post again and just kept liking and posting buddie content

And to finalize...

The ONLY post he liked post 7x10 was a buddie one so... if Oliver himself had to choose Buck's Endgame well the choice is pretty clear

Hoped this helped...

[sugdendingle]

I know not everything the actors say in interviews is accurate but I’m pretty sure in the beginning of the season Oliver talked about how Buck was going to have to work for his next relationship. He talked very deliberately about how Buck has always had relationships come easy. In that he’ll like someone and then end up with them without having to really fight for them. He said Buck's next relationship was going to be different, yet things with T*mmy feel exactly the same as how it’s felt with most of the women Buck's been with. Where the relationship comes easy and it’s mostly based on sex and the person doesn’t really know who Buck is at his core.

I can’t help but wonder if Tim told Oliver that he was planning on making Buddie happen this season or at least moving them closer to happening and it got pushed into s8. In the beginning of this season we had a lot of joint Ryan and Oliver interviews more so than in previous years. Oliver also did a lot of posting/liking about Buddie and Ryan on insta. He also talked about Buddie in all his interviews more than in previous seasons. Given how Oliver has said multiple times in the past that he didn't want to lead people on about Buddie I can't help but feel like he thought things were going to play out differently.

If you watch the beginning of s7 it feels like we’re heading towards something important happening with Buddie. We had a lot of Buddie scenes including the locker room scene, the scene where Buddie talk about underlying sexual tension, the scene where Buck is showing how much he's like Chris' other dad, Buddie working together on multiple calls including rescuing Bobby together. Then of course there was 704 which was like a flashing neon sign saying Buck has feelings for Eddie and is scared Eddie is going to replace him.

Then in 705 it was Eddie who interrupts Buck's first date with a guy. It's Eddie that is the focus of the conversation where Buck comes out to Maddie, where she tells him that if he has something he needs to tell Eddie he will in his own time. Then we get a very intimate scene where Buck comes out to Eddie, including a lot of shared looks between them and a hug. Also of note that Buck only had two coming out scenes in the whole season and Eddie was chosen to be one of them. There was also the gym scene where they talked about Eddie's sex life.

To me it feels like Tim changed course around 706 when he cut a lot of Buddie stuff from the ep especially the karaoke scene. I know a lot of things were likely cut for time but still they shot a scene of Buddie being all touchy feely singing a karaoke love song for the Madney wedding ep. Karaoke was one of the first things Madney did when they were falling for one another it was too much of a parallel for it not to mean something.

I think 706 was really supposed to be a bigger Buddie episode than it turned out to be. This may also be why so much of the promo stuff was about Buddie. I think originally this was going to be the episode to start officially letting the audience know there was something there between them. You can also see parts of the original story where they had Buddie joined at the hip after the bachelor party (helping Maddie and looking for Chim) everything came off very coupley.

This may also explain why Abuela is at the wedding and Marisol isn't (more about Marisol later). I wonder if originally we were going to get some kind of scene with Abuela and Eddie where she says something about Buck. There's no way they brought her in to just stand in the background like an extra there had to have been a purpose for her character originally.

I think Tim changed course when he decided he wanted to do the Kim/Shannon Vertigo mess. Which I don’t get why someone didn’t step in and tell him how ridiculous this idea was especially in this short of a season. I feel like Tim wanted to do something artsy and also get Devin Kelley back on the show and this was how he chose to do that. Unfortunately though the story turned into a mess and worse I feel like parts of Eddie's emotional journey that deserved more focus were lost. Like even the general audience didn't know what to make of that scene where Kim was dressed up as Shannon.

The Vertigo story might also be a part of why there were rumours that Edy had finished filming prior to this storyline starting in 707. Maybe she thought she had but was brought back in for this storyline. Who knows? This season was basically being written almost as they were filming it and I'm pretty sure Tim was changing things left and right. You can see that more in some episodes vs others and definitely more the later the season goes on.

I also think that would explain why so little thought and time was put into both Eddie's relationship with Marisol and Buck's thing with T*mmy. I don't think either relationship was supposed to last the entire season. There was talk early on in s7 that Lou was only supposed to be around for something like four episodes definitely a short run. In interviews Oliver also made it seem like B/T wasn't going to last and that T*mmy eventually was going to be more of a mentor type figure for Buck.

Lou also used the word rom-com when referring to B/T. Although take that with a grain of salt because it may have been on one of his cameos and he said all kinds of stuff on there. But you can see rom-com love triangle type stuff being set up in 704/705/706 between Buck, Eddie, and T*mmy and then T*mmy just kind of disappears (until 709) and the Kim/Shannon thing happens.

This would explain why there is so little development in s7 for T*mmy and B/T's relationship to the point that they never even defined that relationship by the end of the season. They never even had Buck call him his boyfriend. Which I'm glad for that in a way but it just goes to show how bad the writing was this season. And as much as I want Buddie and as much as I dislike Lou and T*mmy I'm also really sad for Oliver because this is not the coming out storyline Buck deserved.

In 707 there was zero mention of T*mmy and this is also when the Kim/Shannon storyline started so I think this is when we see some significant changes to the storyline from wherever things were originally set to go. Though the scene with Buddie and Chris I think some of that was from whatever had been originally planned. It's too flirty to explain otherwise. Maybe originally it was going to be something where Eddie and Chris spend time at Buck's loft but because there was the Kim storyline they wrote it with Eddie leaving for the date.

The thing is Buck's feelings for Eddie throughout this whole season have been louder and more apparent than we've ever seen them be before. Oliver is clearly playing Buck as in love with Eddie. Go back and watch the scene in 704 where Eddie talks about clicking with T*mmy and see how Buck looks like his heart has broken into a million pieces. Or the way Buck watches Eddie in the coming out scene in 705. Or Buck's face in 709 after he said he was worried about Eddie. It's just so obvious that man loves Eddie and would do anything for him.

This is why I really thought there was a good probability of us getting an oh moment feelings realization from Buck in the finale or at the very least a moment where they hugged and consoled each other over losing their son. But we didn't even get that.

I'm honestly not surprised that Oliver went quiet on social media during the back half of s7. Throughout the whole season Oliver wasn't really showing support for B/T and he talked very little about the ship in his interviews. I think this was originally because the plan was for B/T only to be a short term thing and Oliver didn't want to lead anyone on about that ship. I also personally think Oliver has wanted to see Buddie happen for years so he's not going to be rooting for another ship.

I also get the vibe Oliver's not crazy about working with Lou. Anytime you see behind the scenes video and pics of the cast Lou isn't in them or if he is no one is interacting with him. You can also see in the one interview Oliver did with Lou that the chemistry between them just isn't there. They feel more like coworkers just doing their job vs how Ryan and Oliver always appear like giggling besties in every interview and behind the scenes thing we see them in.

Like others have said I'm just sad for Oliver. I think once Tim told Oliver about them wanting to do the bi Buck storyline he must have been so excited. He's talked in interviews about how he's always seen Buck as bi so he must have been thrilled when they said they were finally taking his character there. And for all the issues this season Buck's coming out is still an incredibly important storyline and has meant a lot to so many people. Oliver has even talked about all the people that have messaged him and how deeply they've been affected by a character like Buck coming out.

Still I'm sure Oliver wants more for Buck's love life than the lackluster relationship that he's been stuck with. You can tell in how he talks about Buddie that he wants to see that relationship happen and that he wants to make sure it's done right and doesn't play into stereotypes.

I just hate that T*mmy is the first guy they've stuck Buck with. I hate that Tim and the show have done nothing with this relationship. We don't even really know by the end of s7 how Buck feels about T*mmy or how he feels having been dating a guy for months. Some of that should have been revisited maybe with a talk between Buck and Maddie. But it's like others have said they made Buck bi and then just kind of forgot about him. I think though that's because like I said Tim pushed everything to the side to focus on the Vertigo plot and also all the stuff with Bobby to the detriment of everything else. Buddie was the original plan and Tim didn't really have much else for Buck to do so they left him in this nothing relationship.

I really hope s8 is better all around not just for Buddie but for Buck and Eddie as characters. I hope that Tim plans to follow through and actually make Buddie a reality not just because so many people ship them because of how important for queer representation a ship like Buddie becoming canon could be. I also want to see Oliver actually get to play Buck in a relationship he's proud to talk about.

[lover-of-mine]

I keep seeing all this press thing and just getting and the feeling of disconnected behind scenes and Im wondering if someone is going to get fired …

Okay, so, nuance. It depends on what created the disconnect. I'm assuming that whatever derailed the season and made Tim perma kill Bobby is what threw everything for a loop, so it would depend on how involved abc actually was with Peter leaving the show and all storylines being paused. Everyone and their mother is throwing Tim under the bus and making it seem like Tim went rogue but the concept of Tim being unsupervised enough to break a contract, in this case Peter's, on a whim and fully derail the plans for the season is crazy. Especially considering the amount of money that was put on the show. So it is a question of if the communication did happen but it was too late to cancel the stuff they had planned or if there was no communication and they weren't informed at all that the plan changed until it did because a lot of the season was changed given what we know. No matter what, people involved in Bobby dying for good and Ryan thinking he was fired for a month are having some uncomfortable meetings. But if this was a case of all parties agreeing they needed to break Peter's contract and it having unfortunate consequences, then it's probably a lot of damage control and probably some extra points surrounding the plan of s9 so it can't change as much.

BUT y'all know I have a lot of theories around the switch to abc, it all coming back to how I believe buddie was part of the reason they bought the show and that's the reason for the tone shift with them in 6b and for Buck come out the second they could get him out, also because they ordered a new 911 show instead for buying lone star, so they wanted a franchise out of it but only the og had something pre existing they wanted. In my humble opinion, those things were Angela Bassett, because she's Angela Bassett, and buddie, because one of a kind queer slowburn and abc wants a glaad award. And assuming I'm right about that, they have it in contract that buddie has to happen. My original theory, based on the promo, was that the deal was s7 get one of them out, s8 you get the other out, and s9 plays the will they/won't they. I thought that because of how much promo Ryan did for the end of s7 and 8a, and after the will they won't they from the deadline article, the end of season press tour and upfronts being planned around ryliver, also stuff like the jeopardy question, now the heads up pride deck, ryliver being how they announced s8, the amount of ryliver and buddie content posted to their Instagram, the NBA ad, it feels like the pr was under the impression that Eddie would be out by the end of s8 but he didn't come out. Because if they did all that knowing Eddie would be labeled straight 3 times before Buck got a single I'm bi out, then this is diabolical levels of queerbaiting. Because people can fight me all they want, using ryliver the way they were makes people expect buddie. Buck being out doesn't save them because they aren't teasing Buck with a guy, they are teasing Buck with Eddie. That's queerbaiting because it gives the impression that Buck is gonna get with Eddie and Eddie not queer. Promising queer with no follow through. Anyways...

So assuming I'm right about things the only way I would ever confirm is if one of the producers of the show decided to answer my questions honestly, if the pr was happening that way because there was a contractual expectation surrounding the buy that both of them would be out by the end of s8 and that didn't happen, then heads are rolling. No one wants to be in the middle of queerbaiting scandal in 2025 in the middle of people going to war because a character was written off. Especially not in the middle of producing a new spin off for the show. If all this happened because someone decided that buddie wasn't gonna happen yet for whatever reason and just didn't inform abc because they didn't feel like it, then everyone is about to have a really bad summer.

Those are the 2 extremes of the situation. The question is where the reality of the situation really is and what caused the shift in the show and the subsequent disconnect. We will probably not know unless someone gets very publicly fired. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

[unknown-terrain]

The disrespect that GoT showed Gwendoline by excluding her from their final season Emmy submissions after several years as a supporting star of the show has me appreciating how Severance is including her in Emmy panels and in the Emmy campaign material sent to Emmy voters for her small guest role.

Much kudos to Apple for including Gwen in a lot of promo, giving her so much exposure! Apple is definitely submitting her to be considered for the guest actress Emmy nom. Let's hope she gets enough votes! Netflix also submitted Gwen for Emmy consideration for Wednesday a couple years ago so that was nice of them to do as well.

I love that HBO got so much shit for excluding Gwen from emmy consideration for GoT S8. I remember the HBO CEO Casey Bloys giving some bullcrap excuse about not submitting her because he was afraid the GoT actors would cancel each other out and that hbo's award "expert" determined Gwen's chances of successfully securing a nom were low which is hilarious considering that the knighting scene was one of the only scenes from that dumpster fire S8 that got universal praise. I wonder if HBO fired this award "expert". Also I think Casey Bloys was playing favorites. Crazy how he's still the HBO boss today. Dude is so out of touch with the audience....he's still in denial about the S8 fan backlash.

[isca-rambles]

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SHE MADE FUCKING SERGEANT. FIRST PLACE. SHE DID IT.

The episode was like so-so I loved the cop mum stuff and the Wesley/Del Monte stuff and eh I didn't hate the Randy stuff but I could've done without it BUT OH MY GOD you could have screeched in my ear for 43 minutes and I would still love that episode because LUCY MOTHERFUCKING CHEN IS SERGEANT NOW 😭😭😭😭 That she asked Tim to look for her, she was so nervous and he went right there because he knew she'd be waiting nervously and obviously he wanted to know too but he was there to support her. And that he tried so hard to school his expression so he didn't give it away to her, Grey too, but the second she wasn't looking his face just burst into this bloody teary-eyed smile because he was so proud of her, not just the love of his life but the cop he trained from day dot becoming sergeant and starting her eventual rise to the very top of the LAPD. And the looks. Oh my god the looks they gave each other. I know this was a Chenford lite episode but good lord just one look between them is worth like 20 scenes and we got multiple! Not to mention that she called him again in the shop for advice. Even if it was just silly advice, he's her first call every time because she trusts him even when he gives advice like cigars. Okay back to Lucy. Dear god I keep tearing up. I was up until like 5am again, probably later tbh, and I just bawled at one point. Like I teared up during the actual scene and did a little happy cry at 3am but at some point I rewatched it and everything in me just broke and I full on bawled and didn't stop until I went to sleep again because wdym my girl got first and finally got the recognition she's been denied for so long?!

I would've loved to see everyone celebrate her and I'm still hoping we might get a little scene of that next ep, but I can cope with it being in fic I guess, but oh that scene was so perfect. Her two strongest supporters being there and finding out before her but letting her discover herself just how amazing she is. Headcanon is that Grey was a few minutes late posting the rankings because he had to have a little proud papa cry in his office first and didn't want to give anything away. Like he saw how broken she was for the detective's exam results and this time he could give her good news she deserves! Okay okay I'll stop for now because I could just keep going forever because Lucy has taken so many hits, she's been through so much, and S6 was just frelling awful for her in so many ways. S7 has been a bit rough for her too but slowly getting better and she's finally getting her win. Everything she's earned and fought for and deserves, she's going to get. Sergeant and then the love of her life. S8 Lucy is going to be in charge and on frelling cloud nine! Okay next week and the promo! So so so glad they're not just having Lucy and Tim leap back into a relationship the second she became sergeant. That was their biggest obstacle but Lucy is obviously still hesistant (and for good reason) and Tim is pretty hesistant too - he wants to be with Lucy but he wants to make sure that she's the one calling the shots. So it looks like they're going to be ships in the night, maybe we'll see the first week of her being night shift sergeant and we see them trying to catch each other but failing or being too tired to talk. Either Tim or Lucy will be the one to wait for the other to finish shift and force a talk, at the station or at one of their houses. They'll talk things through (again, I'm not expecting a massive indepth talk that was never going to happen with this show) and then one of them will ask the other on a date. I kind of want it to be Lucy? I want that mirror from S5 and her asking him coyly if he wants to get dinner sometime? Him being all 'yeah?' And them being big goofy idiots in love. A little kiss and those heart eyes and I will go into this hiatus a very happy woman. Honestly i'm going into this hiatus a happy woman anyway because Lucy is my first priority above all else and she got her promotion. Whether it's in the finale or the first episodes of S8, she'll get her man back too. I'm not worried about that at all. I was worried they might try and fuck her over again about the promotion but thankfully no. But yeah, I'm happy to go into this next ep and see what happens, but that's my theory for now. They'll find it difficult, Tim won't want to push until Lucy is ready, Lucy is going to be anxious because why isn't Tim contacting her, and then it'll get resolved. Also the night shift is not going to be permanent. Either it'll just be handwaved away at the start of S8, which is the more likely option, or her Mid-Wilshire family will pull some strings to get her back on days. Maybe in the finale? Maybe at the start of S8. Either way it's not going to last long.

Oh aside from a big celebration scene, or at least other characters acknowledging and congratulating her on her promotion to sergeant, I'm going to need a tiny boots scene. I need Tim to do that for her. He can get help if need be. Tiny boots in her locker, in her car, in the apartment. Something. Celina can take a picture for him. I just have a great need of it, okay? OH OH I also need someone to pin her new badge on. Literally anyone important in her life will do, but I think Tim or Grey mostly. uuuh other things. Oh, only one, but Wesley! Maybe he's going to step into the race for DA now that Del Monte is stepping back? Legit I thought Del Monte might die or his son would and he'd become corrupt because I've always had weird vibes from Del Monte but idk. I think Oscar will be dealt with in the actual episode, but Monica is going to stay a threat into S8 and dear god please no but I guess I'll take it. I honestly don't care I'm riding this high all frelling week.

[eddiecoweyesdiass]

well that was certainly an episode so thoughts! (in no particular order)

firstly, buddie is being messy as fuck again in that fucking kitchen😭 also low-key eddie was fighting with himself BUT that is not to say that he's fucking abusive or whatever fucking bullshit everyone has been saying on here

should have eddie said all the things he said to buck? absolutely the fuck not. is eddie abusive because of one fight? also the fuck not what's wrong with you people

THEY AREE GRIEVINGGGGGG

also the 5 minute buddie divorce (are we on number 4 now??) had me shitting fucking bricks i was scared out of my fucking mind and the shaky camera work and in general how the whole thing wss filmed and the chemistry? fucking masterpiece

ALSO WE ACTUALLY GOT THE EDDIE PHONE CALL I WAS SOBBINGGGG

but the most important thing is that BUCK AND CHRIS ARE REUNITED😭😭❤️❤️❤️ when i tell you i started jumping with joy i mean it i was fucking crying and jumping around like a mad man my babies are back together the whole scece was just so-

eddie waiting for buck? buck's face IMMEDIATELY lighting up the second he saw chris even though his mood was in the trenches? buck and chris mirroring eachother and looking identical? eddie looking at them and smiling like a lovesick fool? i have so many thoughts about buddie this episode that i might have to make a separate post

moving on

idk how i feel about hen not making captain because i do think it would have been good both her and the 118 but i understand her reasoning so at least they didn't fuck that up kudos to them ig

karen wilson the woman that you are, i love her so much and i was soo happy with her involvement this episode she was absolutely amazing as usual

athena and chim still being on the outs broke my heart but based on the promo we saw it's probably going to be resolved in the finale

which wow i can not believe s8 is over cause like finally this season has been a shit show of bad decisions sprinkled with bit of good writing and a fuck ton of phenomenal acting from everyone

carrying on

buck in the confessional fucking got to me bad ngl

cause

1) he looks so fucking young it actually broke my heart

and 2) "you were wrong. you said id be okay, and im not. and they don't need me" SHUT THE FUCK UP IM NOT OKAY

im ending this here or ill be going on about this ep forever

[ribesballtarot]

911 —8x16/s9 current energy : pt.1

—Obviously, this isn't related to football. But after last night's episode of 9-1-1 I was left with a headache and very distright about the state of my silly weewoo show. I had to.

is tim lying about bobby's death on the show?

- knight of swords

Tim is lying about Bobby's death permanence on the show, and he is following through with conviction his movements in regards to the news.

is peter leaving 911 after s8?

- two of swords, four of swords

No, Peter isn't leaving. In fact two of swords suggest being blindsided and four of swords a resting period. Which could be pointing out to the two-week break until episode 16 where he is taking some time to rest until he's back on track—or a longer break that we are unaware of. Two of swords could be pointing out to the way they are lying to us with the promo, to convince us that he is actually dead.

EDIT : this could be applied the other way, where Peter himself feels blindsided.

bobby 8x16:

wheel of fortune, the hanged man, six of cups

During 8x16 there seems to be a lot of moments where they're going to take a look back and recall the past. His character is going to be mostly shown in passing as we see his impact in other people's lives. Wheel of fortune and Hanged man both suggest reflection, time off, a moment to contemplate what one brings to the table and make a decision on whether is it better to stay or go.

The general energy with these cards points out to a more omniscient presence, at least for most of the episode. There's a debacle, there's reminiscing, and there's a turn of events that brings an abrupt change /disruption which leads to a period of uncertainty for the character.

bobby s9 (current energy after renewal announcement)

ten of cups, wheel of fortune, knight of pentacles

There's a change of scenery, for lack of better word a rebuilt of a 'new me' that the character undergoes. It means that there's efficiently and luck in a way that the character might not have felt before, where there comes change for the better. It definetely feels like it sets a before and after in regards of the character's storyline.

is he coming back from his current deadly status?

—seven of cups

clarified: King of cups, ace of cups, three of cups, the hermit.

The initial answer is that there's a lot more that needs to be explored before further decisions are considered to be set on stone. Seven of cups always brings some delays, something about being up in the clouds, and stuck in some sort of dream more than down to earth. When asked for clarification we got a lot of sentimentalness on the matter accompanied with an introspective period. It looks like for him to be able to come back to life there's certain aspects of himself, or maybe another, that the character needs to find closure for.

But the answer looks positive at most. The cards that clarify the relented energy of the seven of cups, talk about movement and decision making, looking at one inside out to come undone to an ultimate success.

athena 8x16:

king of wands, eight of cups, the world, judgement

Funny enough we get an Athena that stays in her ground for most of the episode, that is faithful to her beliefs and acts as the supporting pole of the ship. She is making the necessary movements to get things to move forward, to be there for people, to complace the ones who are suffering. But I do not get the feeling that she is fair to herself in some aspect, she's dealing with it like a champ, she's pushing forward. There's a feeling of 'I've been here before' and stomping the ground with force to reclaim what she's lost. But she is not giving herself time to grieve in solitude, from a emotional standpoint. What she does throughout the episode is continously take action and making decisions.

For 8x16 there's also a complition, a sense of achievement in a macabre way. A cycle has closed and she has to keep her head up for the next.

athena s9:

ten of swords, the fool, wheel of fortune, eight of pentacles

For season 9 Athena seems to be dealing with an unbearable loss/news that leads to a point of introspection about what is her next step, where life is taking here now. It's a beggining after a painful end that she is apprehensive about. This season could feel repetitive for her character or even regressive in soma capacity, like its taking a step back in an uncharacteristic way. This season calls for Athena to focus on what is important in life, and continue crafting even if its the last thing she does.

buck 8x16:

seven of wands, five of cups, four of pentacles, king of wands, nine of cups, eight of cups

We are going to see Buck's change here. He is subtly withdrawn, looking for escapism, not really being as emotional as he could be. He is maintaining a façade that is bound to crumble, but he does so to protect his position as he lives up to some imaginary standard.

Based on the cards I am unsure if the audience will be satisfied with what they'll get out of him.

There's a face he's showing during 8x16, more worn out, more adult, more mature. He is overcoming, struggling, but it's all happening on a second plane, underneath. Because what we will see is Buck overcoming his grieve but barely grazing it. Regret is a common trait in the cards during 8x16, the scarcity of tears will be replaced by something else entirely. They're building on the foundation of a new side of Buck, by momentarily making him hesitate. But Buck is generally going to be resiliant and supporting, giving more to others than he will get out of anyone. He will surely forecast some leadership skills we haven't seen before, not very notoriously, but noticable enough that is important to point out.

During the episode Buck is going to try and find a common ground between being content for 'something' and disillusioned by another thing.

buck s9:

two of cups rx, the star, magician, five of cups, death

Either the season starts placing Buck in the epicenter of all the issues, or it builds up to it in the first part. Buck seems to be out of his essence, questioning things, most likely friendships and/or relationships that she's established or not really, and that's why he's in this disharmonious state for a bit. Buck will have to learn trust, because the issues that he's faced with can be easily resolved, he just seems to be making them more complicated by overthinkinf them/ or the other person is. The point is the issue is totally fixable and it might not take more than an episode to fix, but the storyline it steams from will be important enough that is has come up in the shuffle.

Buck is going to follow naturally with the course of the matter, and gradually find common ground. But this season, by general energy of the cards, seems to be marked by this exact issue that will follow him throught the end even if it seems 'resolved' for th audience. The situation will be confusing, and Buck is going o require guidence to make the right decisions.

This prevalent disharmony that disrupts his world, will be a detonator to a big change and he will have to walk away from something after a mourning period.

eddie 8x16:

the empress, temperance rx, six of cups, ace of cups rx, eight of pentacles rx.

We've got two juxtaposed images right at the beggining, which make me think of the word bittersweet in regards to the general energy that eddie will endure during 8x16.

Eddie is going to be one of the people that is going to engage the most in remenicing, either by having flashbacks or talking about it.

Throughout the episode Eddie will feel helpless, like he has given up or has to give up a life of joys, debating on the what could have beens. He is feeling less than fulfilled, in fact this shuffle looks like a nightmare come true, where the steady structure you had set is destroyed. Its not a tower moment where the foundation cumpletely crumbles, but it's more of a roof that gives in, or a house that is moldy —you can still live in it, but you have the chance to go. and it's difficult to make decisions under dire circumstances that feel close to the end of the world. when you have nothing to come back to, only memories.

There's stagnation, there's repression, there's going against your principles and what you really want.

Eddie s9:

the chariot, eight of pentacles rx, the sun, king of cups

Eddie betraying himself is persistent and follows him to season 9, it doesn't seem like it will be staying with him until the end, but it is something that he struggles to put a stop to. Just like in Buck's case, we've got two juxtaposing ideas, we've got the chariot that goes for what one wants, and the eight of pentacles in reversed position that shows how one is going against what they want. Eddie is constantly clashing between what he wants and what he should do, therefore never really at peace and never able to enjoy the moment.

We will see him overwhelmed, and out of his element. Eddie knows what he is supposed to be doing, where he is supposed to be, but he keeps denying himself. Deprived of joy and a sense of puspse, after it is stolen from him (he feels like he is 'too late') or he himself makes the decision to leave things behind.

But as I said it doesn't last until the end. We've got a beautiful depiction of emotional maturity and sincerity at the end of the shuffle, worth of a person who is taking the rains of his life and making active decisions for himself.

what's the state of buddie for the remaining of s8 :

seven of swords (four of wands), ten of swords (two go wands rx), five of swords (two of swords rx), ten of wands (eight of wands), four of swords (the devil rx.)

Angst. There's an overwhelming amount of angst for the remaining of season 8. This is going to mess up with the foundation of the relationship/friendship in law-suit levels of catastrophic ways doubled it by two. Someone is feeling manipulated and betrayed, and the tension feels very burdensome to carry alone. There's going to be a potential fight that happens which will set in stone how they're going to move forward.

I'm going to deglose this shuffle so everyone understand the picture. But firstly It's worth mentioning that swords and wands together are the perfect combination for an impulsive emotional decision on a heated moment. Swords are the most emotionally driven cards, while wands are the most passion driven cards. Wands often talk about sex encounters, swords about misleading and foundations being messed with in psychological levels. With this being said:

seven of swords (clarified by four of wands) : thinking that someone who is close to you is out to get you and their only purpose is to disrupt your foundation. This goes from telling a white lie to spare someone's feelings and them finding out later, to deceive them. It's the desire to leave a situation unscratched but failing miserably on both ends because you are not being sincere.

ten of swords (clarified by two of wands reversed) : difficult period where one is struggling. we are back at everything swords entail intensified by three; there's betrayal at the pit of it all, and there's a disregard for planning. it's something that happens abrulpty, that comes as a surprise and shakes up your world, leaving you adrift. with no sense of direction and fear that things might change for the worst.

five of swords (two of swords reversed) : a fight that eventually reveals the truth, that makes you take off your blind and see things for what they are, what you missed. it's almost like revelation, a painful confession. The seven of swords white lies coming to the surface to be dissected in the heat of the moment where emotions are at high stake.

ten of wands (eight of wands) : it talks about a period that has weighted you down, that you still feel the burdens of weighting heavy on your back. It talks about a situation that you're worked really hard for, that is overloading, almost unbearable.

four of swords (the devil reversed) : Considering the devil is involved in a reversed position, this is definetely talking about recovery, finally letting go of burdens that were tearing at the seems the foundation of the relationship/ friendship. This talks about rest, liberation, it's taking control in a mindful way.

part two with the rest of the characters coming sometime this week

[buddie-fic-recs-this-way]

Hi! How's it going? Ready for s8? I sure am. Anyways, do you happen to have any fic recs featuring Jealous!Buck, please? Maybe Eddie makes a new friend or reconnects with an old friend and Buck gets jealous? Or maybe Eddie starts spending more time with another firefam member and Buck doesn't like it? Something like that. Hope you can help with this. Thank you in advance and have an awesome day!

hi! i am good, hope all is well with you! i've kind of lost my 911 beans i can't lie, but i'm still trying to do what i can with this blog 🫶🏻

oooh jealous buck my most beloved! i'll put some recs below and as always, anyone is free to add on 🩵

if i risk it all (could you break my fall?) by Princessfbi @princessfbi

pining and anticipation (I don't want you like a best friend) by heartbeatdiaz @lonelychicago

using his words by mansikka @redlightsandicedtea

not only in the movies by ColorMeParanoid @color-me-paranoid

and a lil self promo <3

you've got my attention by browneyedgirl6

high on the way you look at me by browneyedgirl6

[cassiasims]

hi do u have any recs for cameron-centric fics? im less concerned about the pairing i just find her such an interesting misunderstood character :(

oh i’ve been waiting for this one. obligatory ‘read everything on my early camchase fic rec list’, particularly voleuse’s work, although i will try to make this an entirely new list in order to cameronmaxx at full capacity. also obligatory clunky self-promo moment: i write a lot of cameron-centric fanfic that you can find on my ao3 if you haven’t already!! anyway enough disclaimers. let’s get down to business.

The Art of Preservation by LizBee — really great cameron and house joint character study written and set during s1; house pov but very cameron centric too. gen, 867 words, no pairings

Witness, Witness by SkyeBean — ok so technically this isn’t cameron centric; it’s a hilson established relationship au. but actually that should be a resounding endorsement of how good the original fellows’ characterisation is in this because i’m recommending it anyway. just trust that i wouldn’t lead you astray. T, 19.1k, hilson but background camchase (spans s1-3)

now i know why we say that there’s a better place that waits beyond the grave by riceonrye — another cameron and house joint character/relationship study, this time set post s8. the first time i read this i had to lie down. T, 1k, no pairings

Three Hires by copperbadge — THEE ‘how the ogs got hired’ backstory fic, so obviously there’s a great cameron section. anyone who’s been in any decent sized fandom has read a copperbadge fic and knows how consistent the quality is. T, 3k, no pairing

Control by doreah — cameron character study but through the lens of chase, set during s4. really, really gets cameron. T, 2k, camchase

Acheron by EllieL — 3x3 informed consent episode tag. cameron and euthanasia. so, so good. T, 1.2k, no pairing

Familiarity (Breeds Contempt) by belldreams — again, not really cameron centric—hilson relationship study circa late s2/early s3—but there is this one exquisite piece of character work for cameron that alone makes it worthy of being on this list. you’ll know it when you read it. E, 14.5k, hilson with some background wilson/cam

Arbor Day by orbythesea — mini cameron character study with lots of lovely tree symbolism and lovely prose. gen, 659 words, no pairing

Vigil by enigma731 — lowkey the founding father of camchase, post s5 AU of cameron and motherhood. fantastic cam character study. gen, 5k, camchase

Last Rites by Dira Sudis — this will change your brain chemistry and you will say thank you for it. post-cursed but written before the end of s1; cameron flies to australia to attend chase’s dad’s funeral. fantastic character study of them both, platonic pairing but can be read with ship goggles if you’re so inclined. T, 11.4k, no pairing

like the border between greece and albania by alpacas — lowkey just read all of @all-pacas’s stuff because it really is that good. but her post failmarriage camchase babytrap fic especially is very very good fucking food for the cameron-pilled amongst us. not just saying this because she’s my friend i prommy. M, 7k, camchase

[bekolxeram]

S8 opening disaster predictions

I was patiently waiting for more bts material before making my predictions, but due to recent events, it seems like we're not going to get much more before the premiere, so here goes nothing, I'm making wild guesses out of what we've got so far. (No, we're not going to Oz.)

Bees

We've all seen the constant reference to bees in promos, the latest official teaser seems to indicate a bee-nado as well. I don't think it's an actual tornado with bees in it, or even a The Swarm style large scale bee disaster. In that film the bees crash 2 military helicopters, derail a train and contribute to a nuclear meltdown. I don't think ABC would greenlight The Swarm parody or an actual bee-tornado, especially after how widely mocked Lone Star was for that frozen man CPR scene.

I can see it being a severe bee infestation with multiple bee sting emergencies. Whenever a swamp of bees is reported by media, it's often described as... you've guessed it, a bee tornado. I can totally see the 118 dealing with bee attacks in 8x01.

I can't think of how the bees alone would be a major disaster though. A couple unfortunate people might get stung by a swamp, some more unlucky firefighters might have to fight through the bees to get to the patient, but it's hardly a city-wide catastrophe. I highly doubt the opening disaster is just about the bees.

Plane

I've already written why I think S8's big disaster would be aviation related, judging by the few photos and clips uploaded by the crew.

Every international airport in the US is required to have enough resources to deal with regular aviation incidents like bird strikes, hot brakes, engine failures, minor runway excursions, etc. There must be a very real possibility of a catastrophic mass casualty event for the fire department to send in engines from outside the airport for support.

The emergency vehicles we see in the hangar seem to be parked neatly in rows, so I don't think it's the case of a plane rapidly dropping out of the sky, looking for a place to land as soon as possible, or a sudden accident happening within the vicinity of the airfield. Emergency services have already been notified before the aircraft's arrival, so the trucks are just waiting on the side.

One real life example I can think of that matches these 2 conditions would be JetBlue Flight 292 in 2005. The A320 was flying from Burbank to New York when the pilots realized they couldn't retract the landing gear after takeoff. The crew tried troubleshooting while hand-flying the plane in a holding pattern (the stuck gear prevented the autopilot and the auto-throttle from engaging) to no avail, so they decided to divert to Long Beach and suggested doing a low fly-by for airport officials to assess the damage to the landing gear before attempting to land. It was reported back that the nose gear of the A320 was rotated 90° to the left, meaning it was completely perpendicular to the direction of the fuselage.

In the case of unsafe landing gear, pilots would usually attempt a gear up belly landing instead, as most modern airliners are designed to handle that. Since the nose gear was sideways in this case, retracting it was not possible, so the pilots decided to hold over the city for more than 2 hours in order to burn fuel (A320s can't dump fuel), then attempt to land at LAX, since its runways are longer and wider.

The LAFD mobilized over 100 firefighters all across the city to the airport and positioned them at different locations along the runway on standby. On the other hand, news stations sent out flocks of helicopters to broadcast the whole incident live on TV. Not only their loved ones at home, but the passengers themselves could utilize the in-flight entertainment system to tune in and witness the very plane they were on circling over LA, with aviation experts on air discussing the potential disastrous scenarios they might encounter.

At around 18:00, the flight crew turned off the in-flight entertainment system and gave the passengers a few minutes to call their loved ones. After that, the plane successfully landed at LAX with 1000 feet of runway to spare. No one was injured.

This is what's left of the nose gear wheels.

I'm not saying it will be exactly like this incident, but a major mechanical failure that hinders an aircraft's ability to land safely would fit the most.

Prisoner

Apparently Athena will be on a flight escorting a prisoner in 8x02, at least according to that person working at ONT who posted the photo with Angela on reddit. Naturally, some theorized that the prison would have something to do with the plane going down. I've seen nothing to disprove this theory so far, so it's absolutely a possibility. Although, that would make it the second time in a row a sort of transport vessel with Athena in it runs into a disaster caused by criminal sabotage. It's predictable and repetitive. I also haven't seen in bts stuff the amount of cops required for a hijacking scenario.

What I've noticed from crew photos is that the plane outside of the hangar during filming is a Boeing aircraft, while the cockpit we see earlier at the studio is an Airbus. If there are indeed two different airplanes involved in 8x02, then I can see maybe an impending emergency landing shutting down the airport, the prisoner being stuck inside of a plane on the ground decides to open an emergency exit and makes a run for it. Athena tracking down the prisoner would be the B-plot or something I don't know. I have 0 evidence to back it up, it's just a wild guess.

Sankes Bees on a plane?

Bees swarm airplanes all the time, but getting inside is a different story.

It's kind of hard to miss a swarm of buzzing bees inside an airplane. After pre-flight inspections by technicians and the flight crew, security checks by the cabin crew, the time it takes for the passengers to embark and the baggage to be loaded. then pushing back and taxiing, if a swarm of bees somehow still goes unnoticed, I guess everyone has to be blind and deaf.

Also, if the nature of the disaster is merely a bunch of angry bees attacking people on a plane, it would be quite boring? It would just be a lot of first responders triaging people and applying first aid.

What if the the bees are in the cockpit and the pilots are stung? Well, do both of them just happen to be allergic to bees at the same time? If so, I can maybe see a passenger onboard having to land the plane listening to instructions from the ground. I say 80% chance it'll end badly, thus needing fire rescue. But still, it's a very improbable scenario that requires way to many coincidences.

Bee strike

Airplanes accidentally hit wildlife in the air all the time, the most common one is bird strike, but there have also been locust strike, bat strike, even fish strike.

A swarm of bees is not like a flock of geese, bees don't have bones and are much lighter in mass, so while they can still cause some minor damages to the engine(s), it's usually not a big deal. The leftover bee goo on the windshield might affect visibility, but modern airliners have so many automated systems and navigational aid in place that they can pretty much land in 0 visibility.

So the bees have nothing to do with the plane?

Not exactly, bees and wasps are actually a serious hazard to aviation safety, but not in the way you would think.

Some species of bees and wasps like to build their nests in small, exposed cavities belonging to an aircraft, especially the pitot tubes.

A pitot tube is a crucial instrument on the fuselage of an aircraft that measures its airspeed. If it becomes clogged by foreign objects, in this bees, wasps and/or their nest, the pilots would be left with unreliable airspeed indications. If they unknowingly fly too slow, the plane risks stalling and crashing, like Birgenair Flight 301 in 1996. Air France Flight 447 also stalled and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean due to blocked pitot tubes, but this time not caused by insects, they were blocked by icing.

Brisbane Airport in Australia struggles with wasps infestation particularly badly. In 2013, some mud daubers managed to clog the pitot tubes on an Etihad A330 in under 2 hours, resulting in an overweight emergency landing. For that, airport authority recommended the use of pitot tube covers for aircrafts on the ground, but that causes a whole new problem.

Although the pitot tube covers are big red things with "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" written on them, ground crews forgot to remove them before pushing back... twice! The 2022 incident was luckily caught just in time by a refueller nearby, but in 2018, the Malaysian Airlines A330 actually took off with all 3 pitot tube covers still on and the flight crew had to circle back to the airport with no airspeed indications.

While pitot tubes seem to be the most popular among bees and wasps, there have been cases of other openings on an aircraft being blocked by wasps. This Gulfstream business jet had its cabin pressurization relief valve clogged by dried dirt from a mud dauber, leading to a cabin over-pressurization event.

There shouldn't be a catastrophic crash because of unreliable airspeed if the pilots are well trained, but I can imagine a TV show finding some even more crucial flight instruments to be clogged by bees.

Bees as indirect contributors

Of course it can also be the case of bees just happen to sting the one person keeping the aircraft safe. Maybe bees distracted a small aircraft or drone pilot, causing a midair collision.

Or it could be an important airplane mechanic missing work to recover from bee stings. Just last week, an article was published on the Seattle Times detailing the timeline leading up to the Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 door plug blowout incident. It was revealed that there was basically only one single mechanic who would work on door plugs. On the 2 days when the door plug in question had to be opened and closed back up to replace damaged rivets, the mechanic happened to be on vacation. His replacement, a young trainee, had no idea what they were doing, and the 737 with a ticking time bomb of a door plug rolled straight out of the shop.

Aviation experts have commented that if the door plug exited the aircraft at a higher altitude, the result would be much more catastrophic: some parts in the cabin could be ripped off, objects would fly out of the plane and possibly ingested into the engine, and if the plane hit cruising altitude, unbuckled passengers and flight attendants up and walking around the cabin would be sucked right out.

Tommy's role in this disaster

The 217 truck is right there next to the 118 one, so Tommy's house is definitely involved. It probably happens at the airport where the 217 is located as well. We've already seen Tommy working on the ground in 7x06, he'll be needed in this kind of all hands on deck situation at his station's airport too.

He could also be airlifting seriously injured patients to the hospital. One service Air Ops provide that is often overlooked, is VIP transport. Tommy may be asked to fly higher ups of the fire department around the airport to assess the situation. LAFD helicopters were deployed for the JetBlue 292 incident in fact.

*Whisper*

There’s also a chance that Tommy’s helicopter will crash. One crashed in New York back in July because its fuel vent was clogged by a wasp nest.🫣

But I hope not, not so soon. Let me see them be cute and sweet for a while first, that’ll make the angst more delicious.

Conclusion

My predictions are probably super wrong, I don't have a lot to work with, so take them with a grain of salt, maybe think of this as simply a fun read about planes. These all are about as accurate as the Wizard of Oz theory, only I didn't grow up watching classic fantasy musical like a normal person, I watched all 24 seasons of Mayday.

I guess we'll find out in a month.

[whollyjoly]

okay with that first promo i am ON the murder hornet theory for s8 so hard

here me out:

the thing with murder hornets are that the stings are SUPER painful, and getting multiple stings could potentially be lethal even if you aren't allergic

(also apparently, there's some reports of them being able to spray their venom?? in people's eyes??? what the actual FUCK)

anyways, thinking about one of the 118 being allergic to bee stings, and gerard ordering them to go out on a call anyways. gerard doing the whole "it's just a bee sting, don't be such a wimp" (or, more likely, insert some derogatory statement) thing

like i could just SEE him refusing to take it seriously and endangering the team!! especially if one of them got stung, even if whoever it is isnt allergic, i feel like he would refuse to let them go to the hospital, going on about how "this is all a bunch of nonsense, they're just a bunch of bugs what are they going to do?" or even "afraid of a little sting? if you cant handle that, maybe you can't handle being a firefighter"

(bonus points if someone makes a "sure, you know all about little pricks joke", cause i would lose my goddamn shit)

im not convinced gerard is only going to be there for the opening emergency - i have a feeling he'll be around til the mid season finale at least - BUT it still could be a great way to show his blatant reckless endangerment for the 118

...also can you imagine the shenanigans of them freaking out if a single bee made it into the station?? it'd be maurice the chicken and the alpaca on hollywood boulevard all over again 🤣🤣

plus, we could see more of them in their bee outfits from 6x08!!! why are they so adorable!!!!

anyways, apparently im ✨manifesting✨ murder hornets for s8 2k24??? lets go!!!!!!

[sailingfireshipz]

I think Stellaride is gonna end up adopting the baby from 20, and the problems are gonna come up later and be related to something else. I think Andrea’s trying hard to make it look like the adoption is gonna go wrong when in reality it will go fine and something else will come up and cause issues.

I don't think she's trying to make it seem like it's going to go wrong. That's the anxiety around it all. For me, at least.

Things have gone perfectly & for the most part, they've followed the adoption process relatively closely. I thought their issues would be that they wouldn't get approved because of their jobs, but that wasn't it.

I personally don't think the mom or baby will die in 20. I think that's the misdirect, especially since they showed it in the promo. We think that's the complication when, in reality, it's something else.

Dawsey got Louie because his mom died & lost him to his dad coming back & they chose not to fight it.

Brett almost didn't get Julia because of the mom or family. I can't remember who changed their mind prompting 51 to go & speak on her behalf.

Cruz & Chloe almost got scammed with a threat of losing Javi.

So if they chose not to repeat any of the above scenarios, that leaves 2 very real possibilities. Only one of which causes angst, though. Stellaride hasn't had much of that this season. Which I'm not complaining about at all. Will be delighted if this is their first season since S8, where they're not carrying the emotional brunt of it all.

1. Everything goes fine & they get the baby.

2. The mother comes through the emergency c section & has some emotional enlightenment that causes her to change her mind.

The reality of adoption is that some of them fail. It's a sad reality but a reality nonetheless.

That's why they give the bio parents a window to change their minds. You carry a baby for x amount of months. You go through the birthing experience & then you're forced to decide whether you really want to give that baby up.

Some decide to move forward. Some decide not to. We just have to wait to see which route Andrea goes. I'm going to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

[sugdendingle]

Everyone who watches 911 is entitled to have their opinions on the show. Good, bad, or indifferent. This goes the same for Buddie. But don't assume you can make posts talking about how "willfully delusional" you think people in your own fandom are simply because we're talking our cues from the show (and the people involved in it) and seeing the signs of Buddie canon without any push back.

I‘ve been watching this show for years and in my opinion we have never been closer to Buddie canon than we are now. This isn’t just fans seeing what we want to see this is everything that’s gone on with the show, it's creators, and cast since the promo for s7 started.

Before s7 even started Ryan and Oliver were doing tons of press together. There was more talk of Buddie than had ever been previously. We had Ryan and Oliver talking at the s7 premiere about how Buddie's relationship was changing and how they were going to be getting even closer.

During s7 we had more Buddie scenes than we had in recent seasons and not just like scenes of them working together but scenes that cemented their relationship and showed them becoming even closer than they'd been. Scenes like Eddie relying on Buck to help with Chris (multiple times during the season). Scenes like Buck talking about how worried he was about Eddie during the Kim stuff.

It's even more clear that Buddie canon is where things are headed when you look at how Tim chose to handle B/T vs Buddie in s7. If Tim was planning on making B/T a long term ship there were so so many times he could have done more to develop them and he didn't instead the development was put into Buddie.

704 was not about Buck trying to get T*mmy's attention it was about Buck having these big intense emotions he didn't know how to deal with or really understand (because they were about his best friend) and misplacing them onto T*mmy. If Buddie wasn't a part of the plan I don't believe Tim would have ever even included Eddie in that episode especially not the way he did. It would seriously be one of the stupidest moves the show could make. They know how much of their audience ships Buddie, hell people who don't even watch the show talk about Buddie.

Plus it's obvious that Buddie's karaoke scene in 706 was supposed to be a parallel to Maddie and Chim starting to realize their feelings for one another in 208 (when they did karaoke). But the karaoke scene was pulled once they were renewed for s8 when they likely decided to pause on Buddie happening and Eddie coming out until they had more time. Why else would they have them singing a karaoke duet to a love song (in Madney's wedding episode no less) if Buddie canon was never going to happen?

Then you had the very domestic scene in 707 with Buck commenting on Eddie's cologne and throwing food into his mouth. And zero mention of T*mmy in the entire episode. Then in 709 you had Buck looking at Eddie (not T*mmy) when he got his award. In 710 it was Eddie by Buck's side the whole time Bobby was at the hospital and the only scene B/T got was that dinner scene which didn't do one single thing to further develop that relationship.

Back to the bts of it all. Oliver liked and commented on Buddie stuff throughout s7. He also posted Ryan often on his stories. Most importantly he posted a pic of him and Ryan on the basketball court after the B/T kiss in 704. If I remember correctly after the B/T dinner scene in 710 he also posted something to do with Buddie too.

You also had Oliver saying in interviews that he sees what Buddie fans sees and we're not wrong. He also talked about Buddie as how it could work if it happens. Ryan also talked about Buddie happening and said it was baby steps for them to get there. Ryan also said in one interview (can't remember the exact wording) but it was something about who should lead like who should come out first and it was decided it was going to be Buck. But the way he worded it was very clear that both of them are supposed to come out not just one. Lou also talked about how it was originally going to be Eddie getting the queer storyline (with T*mmy) and instead they decided on it being Buck. Lou also talked early on about Buddie and B/T as T*mmy being someone that is basically getting Buck ready for Buddie.

I firmly believe that Oliver would not be interacting with Buddie stuff nor talking about Buddie as much as he has in interviews if he knew Buddie was never going to happen. He's said point blank before he stopped talking about Buddie in the past because he didn't want the fans to feel led on. I think this is part of why he hasn't really interacted with B/T shippers or anything much to do with that ship. He knows it's not meant to last and he doesn't want those fans to feel like he's lying to them.

I know people look at Ryan calling Eddie heterosexual during some of his s7 interviews as a sign that Buddie isn't going to happen but as soon as s7 was over and he had a couple of interviews he started using gender neutral phrasing and saying things like "partner". There was also an interview where he talked about how Buck is basically taking Shannon's place.

Now as we've started to get promo stuff for s8 a lot of the social media stuff has been revolving around Ryan and Oliver with it leaning more towards Ryan. This is similar to how it was for s7 only things were leaning more towards Oliver because of everything that took place with Buck. It's clear that Eddie is going to have a big storyline this season and it can't just be that he's missing Chris or going back to religion.

ABC and Tim know how popular Buddie is and they know how huge it will be for the show and their network to have Buddie go canon. It's why they're handling this very carefully. Honestly I don't think they would have even had Buck come out if they weren't at least considering Buddie because they would have known that the fans yelling for Buddie would only get louder once one of them was confirmed queer. And like I said earlier if they had no intention of Buddie they would have at the least been distancing Buck and Eddie and certainly wouldn't have made Buck's entire coming out episode all about him.

They also would have told the actors to limit talking about Buddie in interviews and the journalists wouldn't have been allowed to ask about Buddie. If you look back at previous seasons and the kind of interviews Ryan and Oliver had Buddie was rarely if ever talked about. That's because Fox did not want it to happen and networks can control what is talked about in official interviews. There's a reason Buddie was talked about so much during the s7 interviews. It's the same reason B/T has barely been talked about even though it should have been a much bigger deal being Buck's first relationship with a guy.

Oh also there was the person on twitter who claimed to have inside info for the show and proved that at different times during s7 with how they seemed to know stuff long before the episodes would air. They said that people behind the scenes had been trying to have Eddie come out in s5 and again in s7 it just hasn't worked out yet. This also fits with what Oliver said that Buck was originally supposed to come out in s4. This fits too with the shooting storyline and the panic attacks early on in s5. Buck would have had his bi awakening in s4 and maybe his feelings realization after the shooting. This would lead to Eddie having his queer awakening during the whole Ana storyline in s5. But Fox shut all of that down.

My point in all of this is that there's a lot of evidence to back up why Buddie fans are so sure about Buddie canon this time. More so than any other season. It's not just us seeing the show through our buddie tinted glasses. It's the most logical outcome at this point. Sure we could all be wrong and the show could leave us heartbroken but at the same time it's still fun to be excited and hopeful about the show.

Oh and one more thing. I get it if you don't like Eddie's mustache, we all have things we find attractive or don't for whatever reason. But continually comparing Eddie, a Mexican man who many lgbtq people relate to and see as queer coded, to characters you describe as "violent and abusive" or a "corrupt cop" just feels all kinds of wrong to me.

Again like I already stated above Buddie canon and Eddie being queer might not happen but there is plenty of evidence to back up why people see Eddie as a queer character. In some ways he's been far more queer coded than even Buck has been. To get upset at people for seeing the mustache as another sign of queer coding makes zero sense to me. You can think it looks unattractive but mustaches have a long history of symbolism in queer men's culture. This isn't just about thinking it looks like Freddie Mercury it's that mustaches (especially ones that look like Eddie's this season) have often by used by queer men as a signifier of their sexuality to other queer men. So the idea that the show is using it as an early sign to the audience that that's where they're taking his character isn't totally out of the realm of possibility.

You are free to disregard all of the facts I just pointed out. You are free to see the show how you want. But you're not free to insult the people in your own fandom and then act surprised when people don't want to follow you or even go so far as to block you because they're tired of the negativity. I mean we get enough of that from B*mmy stans we don't need it in our own fandom too.

If the fandom and the show is causing you to be unhappy it might be time to consider taking a break.

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You’d know so much better than me (hence why I’m sending this ask), and maybe you’ve already thought about this angle, but I was thinking more about the ryliver press tour and all its buddie queerbaiting (which pissed me off SO much), and it got me wondering if maybe it’s possible that abc did what it did with that press tour to see how many people it could get to turn up to watch 8x18 for the prospect of buddie going canon—and if it was enough, they’d aim for that on season 9. Like we know the show has already done that kinda thing before back in its Fox days, but given it’s now on abc, I can’t help but wonder if they’re doing it again to see if whatever new viewers it brought in (because it presumably has new viewers) would be open to buddie being canon or if any returning viewers would be interested in it (outside the buddie fandom, of course). And just in case they weren’t, the show would leave the ending of s8 so so so weird where buddie is concerned for plausible deniability, and also to not have to backtrack the relationship if people weren’t on board. Like idk maybe they wanted to find out if the prospect of buddie would bring in a lot of viewers (and I’m pretty sure it did—I feel like I remember seeing stats somewhere about the sheer number of viewers the finale had), and then they’d make their decision from there about whether to make buddie happen in s9.

Like whatever the case, it’s still fucked that they queerbaited us. I was so goddamn pissed about the entire shitshow. But now I’m just. wondering? We know the showrunners know buddie is popular, but maybe abc just. wanted to be sure? Hence the trial run via the finale promo.

Idk I’m probably rambling and not making any sense because I’m so tired and my sleeping meds are kicking in, but I needed to send this before I passed out and forgot about it by morning.

Okay, I don't think it's about viewership at all. They don't need to test to see if people are interested in buddie, people have been begging for it for years. They already did this test. The decision to make buddie happen has to have happened when they let Buck came out, there is no point for him to come out if the end goal isn't buddie, both narratively (because Buck's bi arc SUCKS from a pure rep standpoint, he hasn't even said he's bi yet ,and everything has been framed around Eddie from the beginning) since making a character that is heavily shipped with one specific man queer and not get them together is just nonsensical this far into the show, or for the business (since Buck being queer while having a family and partnership with another man that was actually extremely solidified after he came out) since they already tested that the audience expect them to get together and they are leaning into it along with letting Buck out, since Oliver and Tim wouldn't answer anything about Buck being queer without Eddie being in the middle, and playing that game would only lead to queerbaiting accusation, because one of them being out creates an expectation on the other coming out, and not getting them together will just make a very faithful audience mad, just see the reaction to the ryliver press tour.

There's no need to be sure here. Abc has been using ryliver from the SECOND they got their hands on the show. Ryan hadn't done interviews since Eddie Begins aired, and his big comeback was a buddie timeline where he dropped the "this goes beyond friendship and I love you to the core" and they are not shying away from buddie questions. They KNOW. It's been known. This is a fact. And I'm 95% certain that buddie was part of the reason abc was willing to drop this much money on the show to begin with. Buddie has to have been part of the conversation during the sell. From the second Buck came out, it's been where's buddie. All the articles about how it has to happen, all the articles about the show using that one buddie still from 710. Even the edited deadline article about the renewal, because that was press release, whoever wrote that was under the impression buddie was more confirmed than it ended up being.

My personal theory is that this isn't fully a stunt or damage control, I think Eddie was supposed to come out and something happened that changed those plans but it was too late to cancel what they already had planned. The upfronts is booked months in advance, same with BuzzFeed stuff. I think the decision to air it all before the episode aired was good old-fashioned queerbaiting, especially considering they didn't even have a conversation on the episode, and they made a point of releasing the clip of Ryan calling Oliver his love interest before the episode aired while being aware of how it would be taken enough to cut it from the actual segment. I think the press tour was planned to build the hype for s9, but then they ended up with a pr nightmare and probably decided that cancelling would make it worse and that they could probably escape the queerbaiting allegations since Buck is queer. It didn't work, and obviously, the point of hyping the ryliver stuff creates and expectation with buddie they just didn't deliver, which, queerbaiting in the most basic sense of the word, it creates the expectation that Eddie will be queer and he's not.

So, yeah, I don't think abc is testing anything, chenford being a thing shows that abc knows how to listen to they audience, same with greys anatomy being forced to make japril endgame, among others. This was not about gauging interest, this was 100% about someone failing to communicate with abc's pr that buddie wasn't happening yet and them taking the chance trying to get people to watch the finale after the fiasco with Bobby.

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I’ve always found it odd that in s8 Sansa started wearing her hair more like d@ny. Like that bun braid she’s got going on in the promos & those two little braids that frame her face at the dragon pit. I can head-canon that she chose to wear her hair like that in king’s landing for the sake of the unsullied. Perception is everything & their leader wore her hair that way—a strong woman capable of commanding an army; an intimidating woman. Sansa likely felt she needed to project an intimidating level of strength if she had any hope of securing Jon’s release & the braids could’ve been a way to subtly influence their perception of her. Meant to recall images of their leader & paint her as someone to be feared.

As far as wearing her hair the way she did at the start of the season…the best I could come up with is that she was doing it for Jon. And while it’s an answer I can accept (be still my jonsa-heart!) it doesn’t feel quite satisfactory. I’m wondering if you’ve put down any thoughts on this & might have something more for us to consider? Or perhaps a head-canon you’d like to share?

I remember this debate and there’s even an article about it,

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But the idea that Sansa was copying Dany never made much sense to me because Sansa starts wearing the hairstyle before she’s met Dany? I think that Sansa's hair was meant to be a Northern style, and worked with the association of Sansa & Lyanna the show created (link).

Here’s a pic and another post about it:

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And then in s8, looking at the hairstyles, even though there are braids in both, it looks to me as if they attempted to keep them distinct. Look how soft and loose Dany's is in contrast to Sansa's. Also, Sansa has a bun while Dany's braid is like a crown sliding off her head (ba-dum-ch!)

Even when I look at “Sansa’s war braids” at the dragonpit,

It doesn’t make me see Dany at all. She susually had two curls down by her face, but that was to soften her look, whereas Sansa's braids have the opposite intention. My main thought is that it’s weird the girl who wasn’t fighting got the armor-ish dresses while the two who were out there with the army of the dead did not! This may have been an effort to give her a totally unique hairstyle from the Northern cast, in prep for Queen Sansa?

I think the Jonsa implications would be in the Lyanna connection and the NedCat cosplay from s6-7. The fact that the finale rested on Jon’s (Targ) love for Sansa (Stark girl) makes me think there was some story-related reasoning back in s5-7 that carried through to the end even if they didn't really wanna follow-through on the implication. Making Jon appear as Ned and Sansa as Cat (the hairstyles are similar, not exactly the same but the script referenced the Cat thing at one point so it was intentional) also feels like something that was still present in s8 storywise. They were a unit, they did trust each other, but there was a lot of anxiety about that trust and pain about a perceived betrayal.

And in-world reasoning, I’d say that when in the South Sansa was trying to fit in at court so mimicking to greater or lesser extent the fashion made sense, and when she returned home, it made sense for her to start wearing styles she’d worn or seen as a girl.

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