#goku vs broly

[hi-there-buddies]

CBR, that is not a good comparison

To put this into perspective for the homies who haven’t watched Dragon Ball:

This is like saying “He had an IQ of 70, which is very low for humans. In contrast, Nicholas Tesla had an estimated IQ of 235”

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Autistic Anime Boys Round 1 Matchups!

Side A

L Lawliet (Death Note) VS Muichirou Tokito (Demon Slayer)

Gohan (Dragon Ball Z) VS Kiibo/K1-B0 Idabashi (Danganronpa)

Haruka Sakurai (Milgram) VS Seishirou Nagi (Blue Lock)

Satoru Gojou (Jujutsu Kaisen) VS Seto Kaiba (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Umetarou Nozaki (Monthly Girls’ Nozaki-kun) VS Tamaki Suoh (Ouran High School Host Club)

Gin Gagamaru (Blue Lock) VS Taisei Yoshida (Assassination Classroom)

Itona Horibe (Assassination Classroom) VS Souichi Tanuma (Those Snow White Notes)

Light Yagami (Death Note) VS Tenma Matsukaze (Inazuma Eleven)

Shouto Todoroki (My Hero Academia) VS Sunny (Omori)

Broly (Dragon Ball Super) VS Kaworu Nagisa (Neon Genesis Evangelion)

Yu Narukami/Souji Seta (Persona 4) VS Sechs (XBlaze)

Kiyotaka Ishimaru (Danganronpa) VS Kento Nanami (Jujutsu Kaisen)

Nate River/Near (Death Note) VS Kyouya Ootori (Ouran High School Host Club)

Mash Burnedead (Mashle: Magic and Muscles) VS Noiz (DRAMAtical Murder)

Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist) VS Kabuto Yakushi (Naruto)

Lan Wangji (Mo Dao Zu Shi) VS Rui Kamishiro (Project Sekai)

James (Pokémon) VS Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece)

Yuusuke Kitagawa (Persona 5) VS Tsubasa Yuunagi (Hirogaru Sky! Pretty Cure)

Hitoshi-san (Nyan~ Neko Sugar Girls) VS Illumi Zoldyck (Hunter x Hunter)

Mikazuki Augus (Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans) VS Wakatoshi Ushijima (Haikyuu!!)

Homare Arisugawa (A3!) VS Kamille Bidan (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam)

Subaru Mikazuki (My Roommate is a Cat) VS Atsushi Murasakibara (Kuroko no Basket)

Tanaka (Tanaka-kun is Always Listless) VS Natural Harmonia Gropius (Pokémon)

Haru (Tsuritama) VS Giorno Giovanna (Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure)

Floyd Leech (Twisted Wonderland) VS Laios Touden (Dungeon Meshi)

Touma Akechi (The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.) VS Trafalgar D. Water Law (One Piece)

Lotte “Roy” Carmine (BlazBlue) VS Gon Freecss (Hunter x Hunter)

Nahoya “Smiley” Kawata (Tokyo Revengers) VS Senkuu Ishigami (Dr. Stone)

Ash Ketchum (Pokémon) VS Mafuyu Satou (Given)

Alhaitham (Genshin Impact) VS Shichirou Balam (Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun)

Shintarou Kisaragi (Kagerou Project) VS Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia)

Toshinari Seki (Tonari no Seki-kun) VS Takashi Natsume (Natsume’s Book of Friends)

Side B

Haruka Nanase (Free!) VS Tsukasa Tenma (Project Sekai)

Takeo Gouda (My Love Story!!) VS Karna (Fate)

Shintarou Midorima (Kuroko no Basket) VS Kim Dokja (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

Roronoa Zoro (One Piece) VS Junpei Tenmyouji (Zero Escape)

Sig (Puyo Puyo) VS Kanata Shinkai (Ensemble Stars)

Kyoujurou Rengoku (Demon Slayer) VS Yugi Mutou (Yu-Gi-Oh!)

Legoshi (Beastars) VS Gaien "Enkidu" Enkidou (Under Night In-birth)

Doppo Kunikida (Bungou Stray Dogs) VS Hiroshi Odokawa (Odd Taxi)

Kusuo Saiki (The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.) VS Katsuya Serizawa (Mob Psycho 100)

Nagito Komaeda (Danganronpa) VS Haruhito Yano (Odd Taxi)

Yotasuke Takahashi (Blue Period) VS Manjirou "Mikey" Sano (Tokyo Revengers)

Kyouya Onodera (Talentless Nana) VS Misumi Ikaruga (A3!)

Miles Edgeworth (Ace Attorney) VS Shu Itsuki (Ensemble Stars)

Meguru Bachira (Blue Lock) VS Ren Mihashi (Big Windup!)

Ranpo Edogawa (Bungou Stray Dogs) VS Kaito (Vocaloid)

Zero (Puyo Puyo) VS Masayoshi Hazama (Samurai Flamenco)

Genos (One Punch Man) VS Jotaro Kujo (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure)

Vivia Twilight (Master Detective Archives: Raincode) VS Sora Harukawa (Ensemble Stars)

Satori Tendou (Haikyuu!!) VS Miles "Tails" Prower (Sonic X)

Houtarou Oreki (Hyouka) VS Kabane Kusaka (Kemono Jihen)

Ghiaccio (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure) VS Tenya Iida (My Hero Academia)

Malleus Draconia (Twisted Wonderland) VS Tetsuya Kuroko (Kuroko no Basket)

Kensuke Aida (Neon Genesis Evangelion) VS Goku (Dragon Ball)

Shinichi Kudou/Conan Edogawa (Detective Conan) VS Toya Aoyagi (Project Sekai)

Rei Suwa (Buddy Daddies) VS Gin Ibushi (Your Turn to Die)

Jade Leech (Twisted Wonderland) VS Akihiko Sanada (Persona 3)

Xiao (Genshin Impact) VS Loid Forger (Spy x Family)

Souya "Angry" Kawata (Tokyo Revengers) VS Sabro Sabnock (Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun)

Apollo Justice (Ace Attorney) VS Tobio Kageyama (Haikyuu!!)

Kurapika (Hunter x Hunter) VS Saitama (One Punch Man)

Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear) VS Langa Hasegawa (Sk8 the Infinity)

Subaru Natsuki (Re: Zero) VS Yusei Fudo (Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds)

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Here with another post on DB vs Vivziepop. Today, I'm still on the topic of POC characters, but this time, Latino characters 🎉🎉🎉

3 examples will be shown.

Here is Broly. Broly is a near-human alien. Even though he isn't human, he is a POC character. In fact, he had his own movie!!! I love it when POC characters aren't kept behind!! Okay, so Broly isn't exactly Latino (like I said earlier, he's an alien), but as a Latina, I most definitely headcanon him as Latino and actually, most of the Hispanic DB community has. My people praise him alongside other DB characters!! His skin tone even matches mine!!! This is what I love about both DB and Splatoon, show, not tell!! Vivziepop is always telling about her characters' sexualities and race, but doesn't really show it when it's not a harmful stereotype.

Here is Vannie. (not calling her by her actual name and also not using her outfit from the show because it sucks) Vannie is a demon. Vivziepop stated that she's supposed to be Salvadoran, yet there's no coding, besides her VA being Hispanic. So you're telling but not showing? You could change her skin tone to an actual Salvadoran skin tone, you could give her an outfit reminiscent of traditional Salvadoran outfits, but apparently that didn't happen. She doesn't even look Latina! I don't even know what she could be. Heck, Broly could pass as being Salvadoran easily.

Here is Goku. Just like Broly, he is an alien. He has some of the most unintentional Latino coding!!! He is my people's icon!!! He is one of the most loveable characters of the franchise and is the most recognized among our community. Goku may not be officially Latino, but in my heart (and in the hearts of the Hispanic DB community) he is. And like I said, coding is everything!! Show, not tell!!! Go wild!!

Until next time, Vivziepop critics.

[tobiasdrake]

Ok, how would you feel about my idea for an alternate 24th Budokai AU: here, Vegeta and Piccolo manage to destroy Gero and 19 wholesale, Trunks takes them all at their word that the Androids were defeated handily, and with that everyone agrees to enter the upcoming 24th Budokai (timeline may need to be switched around a bit, we don’t know when exactly it happened. Satan’s overconfidence at the Cell Games may have originated from a quite recent Budokai win). Anyway, since we know this tournament also featured the inaugural Juniors division, Gohan ends up fighting a young Videl in the finals.

Meanwhile, the main tournament bracket turns out like:

Match 1

- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan

Match 2

- Son Goku vs. Future Trunks

Match 3

- Piccolo vs. Mr. Satan

Match 4

- Vegeta vs. Yamcha.

The tournament would take place shortly after Goku wakes up, so everyone is pretty much exactly where they were power wise at the beginning of the Android arc. A few notes:

- The quality of fighter has noticeably dropped - guys like Namu, Chappa and Tao remember how hopelessly outclassed they were last time, so the guys entering here are the noobs we saw at the 25th Budokai: Pintar, Jewel, Killa, Mighty Mask, (pre-Majin) Spopovich and of course, Mr. Satan himself

- Krillin-Tien would be a very technical, throwback to the old tournament fights, with Krillin winning to finally shut up the weirdos who supposedly genuinely believe Toriyama wasn’t including Tien when he stated the former was the strongest Earthling

- Goku and Trunks would quickly break the “no Super Saiyan” rule, with Goku coming out on top but Trunks still viewing the contest as a positive learning experience

- Piccolo-Satan would be a pure comedy bout. Piccolo wins with ease, although if the Buu arc still played out similarly in this AU it may prove to be disastrous later on

- Vegeta-Yamcha would play out similarly to Piccolo-Krillin from the 23rd tournament. Vegeta is overconfident, gives Yamcha a beat down initially but Yamcha turns it around and genuinely hurts (base) Vegeta with the Rōgafūfūken and Sōkidan, before he angrily ends the fight in retaliation. Goku, Krillin, Tien and Gohan all rush to the ring and congratulate Yamcha on the effort, while Vegeta quietly (and begrudgingly) gives out some praise

- Goku and Vegeta obviously advance to the finals. Don’t have much to say on a Goku-Krillin rematch, but I’m sure someone could come up with an interesting take on it. SSJ Vegeta-Piccolo is obviously a very popular hypothetical in the fandom

- The Goku-Vegeta finale would probably end with either A. A confused Imperfect Cell showing up and a big 1st Broly film style group battle taking place, or B. Perfect Cell showing up, who found Gero’s lab and absorbed 17 and 18 in secret, declare his intent to host the Cell Games and allowing the Z-Fighters time to train for it.

That’s a rough, very long winded outline anyway. What do you think?

A small note: More than the timeline would need to be switched around, since we do know the 24th happened after the Cell Games. Cell describes the Tenkaichi Budokai as a tournament that used to exist, but doesn't anymore.

This is why it took over fifteen years for the 24th to occur. The tournament was cancelled after Goku and Piccolo's title bout. For. Uh. Obvious reasons.

A lot of people were definitely killed during that.

This was a recreational martial arts tournament for a ~$3,000 cash prize. If Tom Brady suddenly wiped Florida off the map in the middle of the Super Bowl, we'd be having serious conversations about the NFL right now.

So one of their athletes killed the whole island that the tournament's set on and then they never held it again after that. Seems reasonable. Well, until Mr. Satan singlehandedly defeated Cell, claimed the tournament Cell was reviving as a spoil of war, and then remade it in his own image.

But that's fine. There are no barriers to writing; only obstacles for a writer to overcome.

As far as the matches go....

I don't think Goku and Trunks need to break a "No Super Saiyan" rule, necessarily. That rule only existed to avoid media attention after they were all seen in Super Saiyan form at the Cell Games.

If the Cell Games haven't happened, I'm not sure why they'd settle on a rule like this. Especially a Vegeta who's still somewhere around start-of-Android-arc characterization.

For Vegeta and Yamcha, I have a hard time seeing Yamcha even momentarily getting the better of Vegeta. Even in his base form, Vegeta is worlds beyond Yamcha in direct combat, and he also has the focus and attention to his surroundings to not lose track of the Sokidan.

That's not to say it couldn't happen, but the vibe would be different. This isn't Yamcha's fight to win; It's Vegeta's to lose, and letting Yamcha actually get a hit in on him would be a sign that Vegeta's cockiness is getting the better of him.

Which... is appropriate for this stage of his development. Vegeta starts fighting a lot stupider between the Namek and Android arcs. Overconfidence from achieving the Super Saiyan coupled with the Super Saiyan itself fucking with his head shunts him from one of the cleverest, most practical, and most observant fighters on the scene to a dim-witted sledgehammer.

Letting Yamcha actually pressure him, even for a moment, might be the wakeup call Vegeta needs to get his head back in the game and maybe fight smarter for his more genuinely difficult matches with Piccolo and Goku.

[mikeartworks]

Broly vs Goku

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Beast Gohan vs Ultra Instinct Goku

Beast Gohan punches Goku out of Ultra Instinct.

And SSJ Broly vs Beast Gohan?

This next DBS Manga chapter is something I am looking forward reading!

[duhragonball]

What’s your overall opinion on Jiren as a character and an antagonist?

I think a lot of Jiren critics miss the point with the guy. In particular, Team Four Star keeps trying to reduce Jiren to some cutting soundbyte. He's boring, he's like U11's Superman, he's an inversion of Goku, etc. You're never going to appreciate a character unless you're willing to meet the concept halfway.

In brief, he's the Man to Beat in the Tournament of Power. Unlike the other 69 opponents in the event, who resent Goku for getting them into this mess, Jiren finds Goku to be a nuisance, unworthy of his time or effort. Jiren can sweep the entire field by himself, and he knows it, but he's so bitter and depressed that he takes no satisfaction from any of it. This is just another job for him, one more chore in a long list of tasks that only he can do.

Jiren's sick of it. He suffered all this tragedy in his past, and now he's achieved seemingly ultimate strength, and it feels pointless to him. He wants to protect his universe and uphold justice. I think he's got that much in common with the Pride Troopers at least. But there's no joy in it for him. His victories are meaningless and hollow to him. Defeat is virtually impossible. Fighting the Tournament of Power is no better or worse for him than sitting alone in his room, staring at the wall.

I think that's what frustrates a lot of fans, because they want Jiren to be this exciting and charismatic figure, a cartoonish supervillain like Vegeta, or Frieza, or Cell, or a bizarre monster like Broly, or Buu, or Janemba. But Jiren flips the script by not giving a shit about Goku. He's not mad at Goku for causing the Tournament of Power to happen, he's not excited to fight Goku, he's not charmed by Goku's enthusiasm. He just wants to dominate the Tournament and leave. Not that Jiren has anything better to do with his time. He just wants to get it over with.

I think that's what makes the Vegeta vs. Jiren segments of the tournament so fun to watch. Look, I'm a big fan of Vegeta, but nobody thought he was going to be the one to take Jiren down. Vegeta's job was to try anyway, and get beat down to show just how tough things would be for Goku. And yet, we kept seeing Vegeta diving headlong into the fray anyway. He'd fight Jiren solo, he'd double-team him with Goku, he'd watch Goku fight Jiren and look for openings. Vegeta kept coming back for more, taking any action he could get, often with a big smile on his face.

Why is it so satisfying when Vegeta manages to get those small little victories against Jiren? He never came close to winning, but he still managed to find openings in his defenses, and he kept coming back for more, and in the end, he gained Jiren's respect. Why does this matter? Because Vegeta's loaded with passion, passion that Jiren lacks. He does take satisfaction from winning, and he does care deeply about the stakes, and even if this battle were just for funsies, he'd still give it his all because he enjoys combat for its own sake. That's what makes him so tenacious, even when he doesn't stand a chance.

And that's what stymies Jiren, because on several occasions he wonders why his opponents refuse to just roll over and accept defeat. That's what he'd do in their shoes, after all, because for him victory and defeat have lost all meaning. There's similar moments with 17, Frieza, and Goku, but I think the moments with Vegeta are especially prominent, just because Vegeta is so laser-focused on defeating Jiren personally, as opposed to merely winning the tournament or running down the clock.

Ultimately, what turns Jiren around is when Goku and the others manage to win him over with their fighting spirit. Once Goku surpasses him with Ultra Instinct and he starts to despair, his teammates cheer him on, and he forges ahead. He loses the battle and Goku praises him for his performance, and he finally understands what it is that drives the others. Then he confides in Toppo that he has no friends and Toppo's like "We're your friends, dummy." So Jiren still has a long way to go, but at least he's beginning to climb out of his rut.

And that's what makes the character interesting. For his opponents, he's this wall they have to break through, but for him, it's about rediscovering something through the course of the battle.

Is he a good villain? No, but he's not supposed to be a villain at all. He's an antagonist in a story without a bad guy. He's an opponent who lacks the passion that the main cast have, and that's a weak point he discovers as the story wears on. It's a very cool thing we see. I don't know how that will work for future Jiren stories, but that's a problem for another day, I guess.

[bones4thecats]

Since I'm writing a revamp of the Bad Blood: Frieza × Vegeta's-Sister! Reader, I decided to release a poll so you guys aren't completely bored. This is for a future story that'll get posted sometime in the future (possibly, no guarantee)

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A DBS MANGA CHAPTER 102 REVIEW. KINDA...

Some stuff about chapter 102 of the DBS manga I don't really like/I want to quickly discuss. Meant to post this last month but didn't. I'm behind on a lot of things.

All those folks saying True UI is Goku's strongest form... The upcoming chapter says otherwise. Goku uses the silver haired UI form & Beerus apparently views that as Goku at his strongest. Heck, Goku calls it his best move. Good job Toyo for creating True UI (black hair) and confusing fans to believe that was stronger than Mastered UI (silver hair) when in reality True UI is simply UI Sign (black hair) that changed how UI works so it matches more closer to how the anime depicted the technique. UI Omen in the anime allowed Goku to use his emotions, but the more control he has over them, the stronger he becomes until he transforms into Mastered UI. UI Sign in the manga was depicted as Goku needing to be emotionless & stated that emotions hinder the power. This was from the ToP Saga all the way until Toyotaro "created" True UI to function off of controlled emotions like how the DBS anime always has & gave it Omen the name "True Ultra Instinct." [Link to a long post that I paraphrased, so you ain't gotta read it unless you're really interested.]

I get tired of the same expressions in this Super Hero Saga. Its a pouty or surprised face accompanied with an oval shaped mouth. Toyotaro is overusing the hell out of that. Here's a compilation & I left out like 4 other panels with this same expression. (There's more in CH 103)

I saw ppl talking about the poses when Goku & Gohan fight look cool.... Looks pretty stiff imo. At least from what I've seen. Lacks a feel of movement. And you don't even see most of the fight. It doesn't make it cool imo. We've seen MUI in action against powerful opponents. If MUI Goku & Beast Gohan are close to equal strength, why not show actual combat between the two other than the aftermath of clashes? There was more attention to choreography with Gohan vs Trunks & Goten than there is with Gohan vs Goku. (Chapter 103 does better with the combat for Goku vs Gohan)

Toyotaro doing the "this form is called such & such" is weird for me. Seems like he's trying to hype up Western fans or something. Like when Goten & Trunks name Gohan's potential unleashed form "Ultimate." Its just dialogue for the sake of some sort of fanservice. Some ppl will like it, others wont. I just wasn't a fan of it. Feels like its placed here just for fanservice. If they called it ultimate & didn't draw too much attention to it, I would've prefered that. Its naming it but not stopping the narrative flow.

Also wasn't a fan of Goku asking Gohan is his new power was SSJ2 or SSJ3. Goku knows dang well Gohan's Potential Unleashed form is far stronger than SSJ2 & was stronger than SSJ3. He should've just asked "So, what's this form of yours?" and leave it there.

Some Vegeta fans are calling him a proud uncle when he smiles at Gohan & Goku about to spar. No, he is a Saiyan who is ready to see a good fight just as Broly smiled when he watched Goku & Vegeta fight. Is there some pride there? Yes. But Vegeta ain't no uncle figure to Gohan. That's Piccolo & Krillin.

Why are Carmine & Soldier 15 there on Beerus' planet? Goku could have just had his sons & Trunks put a hand on his shoulder then teleported. And why would Gohan see Carmine & 15 who shot at his home & at him, turn Beast out of anger, then hop into the same vehicle as them as if he forgot what happened in the last chapter? It was literally a few seconds ago.

This was just for them to record Goten & Trunks in their costumes (can they even keep up with how fast they are moving?) And it just seems like a plot device that won't matter at all. Anyone remember 7-3 in the Granolah Saga?was there for a moment & served no purpose other than a reference. I bet this with Carmine is for a simple joke to be quickly thrown aside.

[dailycupofcreativitea]

In a boring work meeting and suddenly have YET ANOTHER comic idea...word vomiting it here to pass the time:

Say it's sometime after the Cell Games (so Goku is dead) and Chichi manages to snag an interview for Gohan at some high level prestigious school (kinda like in the Broly movie). Except as usual these prestigious interviews are allll about appearances and money and Chichi is kind of hesitant at appearing as a "single mom" with Gohan when they attend the interview because she doesn't wanna be discriminated against and lose the chance for Gohan to get into the school. So she proposes they drag Vegeta along as a replacement cause he looks like a close enough substitute for Goku 🤣

Gohan protests against this cause he's all "why do we have to lie?" and "if they have a problem with it then it's not a school I wanna go to" and "that's just not right!" etc., but Chichi's like "this school could make you so successful" and puts her foot down. So Gohan proposes they take Piccolo instead but of course Chichi rejects that suggestion cause he's big and green. Maybe he proposes Yamcha too but Yamcha is also rejected (idk maybe Chichi thinks Yamcha will give off poor people vibes vs Vegeta would give off royal vibes or something and make them look good cause he's a prince idk 🤣)

ANYWAYS Vegeta obviously declines to help but after pressure (AKA threats) from Bulma he's shoved in a suit (and LOL what if they also split his hair into two pieces with a clip to look like Goku 🤣 maybe too much. But maybe for the lols). They all head to the interview together...cue shenanigans.

Chichi would probably keep pointing out "he's a prince!" and Vegeta would refuse to speak and Gohan straight up wants to jump off a bridge 🤣

Super duper rough preliminary doodles:

Anyways...it would be funny 🤣

[small-screen-superman]

Ok, how would you feel about my idea for an alternate 24th Budokai AU: here, Vegeta and Piccolo manage to destroy Gero and 19 wholesale, Trunks takes them all at their word that the Androids were defeated handily, and with that everyone agrees to enter the upcoming 24th Budokai (timeline may need to be switched around a bit, we don’t know when exactly it happened. Satan’s overconfidence at the Cell Games may have originated from a quite recent Budokai win). Anyway, since we know this tournament also featured the inaugural Juniors division, Gohan ends up fighting a young Videl in the finals.

Meanwhile, the main tournament bracket turns out like:

Match 1

- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan

Match 2

- Son Goku vs. Future Trunks

Match 3

- Piccolo vs. Mr. Satan

Match 4

- Vegeta vs. Yamcha.

The tournament would take place shortly after Goku wakes up, so everyone is pretty much exactly where they were power wise at the beginning of the Android arc. A few notes:

- The quality of fighter has noticeably dropped - guys like Namu, Chappa and Tao remember how hopelessly outclassed they were last time, so the guys entering here are the noobs we saw at the 25th Budokai: Pintar, Jewel, Killa, Mighty Mask, (pre-Majin) Spopovich and of course, Mr. Satan himself

- Krillin-Tien would be a very technical, throwback to the old tournament fights, with Krillin winning to finally shut up the weirdos who supposedly genuinely believe Toriyama wasn’t including Tien when he stated the former was the strongest Earthling

- Goku and Trunks would quickly break the “no Super Saiyan” rule, with Goku coming out on top but Trunks still viewing the contest as a positive learning experience

- Piccolo-Satan would be a pure comedy bout. Piccolo wins with ease, although if the Buu arc still played out similarly in this AU it may prove to be disastrous later on

- Vegeta-Yamcha would play out similarly to Piccolo-Krillin from the 23rd tournament. Vegeta is overconfident, gives Yamcha a beat down initially but Yamcha turns it around and genuinely hurts (base) Vegeta with the Rōgafūfūken and Sōkidan, before he angrily ends the fight in retaliation. Goku, Krillin, Tien and Gohan all rush to the ring and congratulate Yamcha on the effort, while Vegeta quietly (and begrudgingly) gives out some praise

- Goku and Vegeta obviously advance to the finals. Don’t have much to say on a Goku-Krillin rematch, but I’m sure someone could come up with an interesting take on it. SSJ Vegeta-Piccolo is obviously a very popular hypothetical in the fandom

- The Goku-Vegeta finale would probably end with either A. A confused Imperfect Cell showing up and a big 1st Broly film style group battle taking place, or B. Perfect Cell showing up, who found Gero’s lab and absorbed 17 and 18 in secret, declare his intent to host the Cell Games and allowing the Z-Fighters time to train for it.

That’s a rough, very long winded outline anyway. What do you think?

This is a fun idea! I love Tien so a part of me wants him to win, but I know Krillin is supposed to be stronger...I just hope Tien puts up a hell of a fight :) If you ever expand on this, I recommend making the characters use some new techniques (either ones they came up with or existing techniques they haven't been shown using before but learned), as that was something I enjoyed immensely about past tournaments. Yamcha, Tien and Piccolo could use Kaio-Ken, for example.

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Evolution is a mystery. Full of change that no one sees.

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So on Twitter there was an interesting debate about what would happen if Ben 10 scanned a Saiyan like Goku. Would Ben 10 be the absolute peak of Saiyan (AKA Broly) or is there more to it than genetics? So let’s compare and contrast the two and see what if Ben 10 actually did scan a Saiyan based on what usually happens when Ben 10 scans Vs what we should expect from a Saiyan.

What makes people think Ben 10 can become Broly Level

Now I haven’t seen a lot of Ben 10 because... Reasons... But searching around can lead me to finding answers. The reason people believe Ben 10 would be a Saiyan on the same scale of Broly is that when the Omnitrix scans an alien, it gets the max potential of a species. Four Arms for example is stronger than some female Tetramands, who in their species are usually stronger than their male counterparts. 

Other examples include Bullfrag looking a lot more physically impressive than regular Incursean, Way Big beating To’kustars which I heard were mutated at the time, and Kickin' Hawk beating the other bird creature that the Wiki doesn’t have a name for the species for. Not to mention Ben 10’s Alien X beating that Celestialsapien in combat despite it having the better experience. So Ben 10 being the Absolute Peak of Saiyans could be possible. But what is the Peak of a Saiyan?

What makes people think Ben 10 would be lower than Goku or Vegeta

As seen with Captain Ginyu, having a Saiyan Body does not automatically give you knowledge of how it works. Sure, Ben could probably figure out the basics like flying and shooting energy beams, but the big stuff is done through techniques. Instant Transmission is a technique. The Kamehameha is a technique. The Kaioken is a technique. Even the Super Saiyan is something you have to train for in order to properly master. And while smarter species increases Ben’s intellect, it's only while in use. So it is entirely possible Ben 10 would not instantly know how to do stuff that requires to be trained to do.

But let’s say you argue that the Omnitrix does give him such knowledge. What is the potential of a Saiyan? Is it based on how strong they could be living on the Planet Saiyan or something else. Honestly, I would suspect it is based on how strong they could be on their planet. After all, traveling to new places and experiencing things you wouldn’t back home could drastically change your overall body. From something as simple as unique as antibodies to something as extreme as exposure to conditions you can’t get home. And Goku and Vegeta have been exposed to gravity even greater than on Planet Vegeta.

But let’s say it would include that. After all, Broly didn’t do any of that and he’s even super strong. Here’s the thing: signs point to him being a mutant. As a baby, he was already breaking scouters. While you could argue King Vegeta was upset that a low class Saiyan was stronger than his son, Paragus was thinking King Vegeta was right after seeing his son fighting Goku. The fact he could contain the Power of an Oozaru without transformation definitely shows that this is no normal Saiyan. 

My thoughts

Honestly, I’m on Team “Ben ain’t getting no Broly Form”. Broly is something so unique that I doubt any Saiyan could match it. That’s how evolution works: the peak of a species can only last so long until a mutation that allows said species to adapt in different locations or better than previous breed more and outlast the original species. You could argue this is the peak of a Saiyan but honestly I could make the same argument that Saiyan Saga Vegeta was the peak of the species. 

Because Goku and Vegeta have grown beyond their species. They do not need their tails. They can transform into a form that was so legendary they only saw one every thousands of years. They can grow beyond that and reach the levels of Deities. And their Instincts and Ego respectively are so high, they have gone beyond what is capable of mortals let alone the Saiyan Race. They are not the Peak of Saiyan Evolution. That is way below them now.

And finally, even if you want to ignore everything else, the Omnitrix ignores scanning Human DNA and anything similar to that. Saiyan DNA can crossbreed with Humans to create hybrids who can also give birth to more children. Ben 10’s Omnitrix has not scanned other aliens closely related to Humans. The reason why could be the same reason Ben 10 doesn’t transform into the Peak Human: his DNA is the baseline so anything that closely resembles it is ignored. 

But are you a Ben 10 fan and think differently? Give your thoughts and any examples that prove my theory wrong.

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I think it's interesting that Cooler is clearly intended to have more skill than Frieza. He knows how to sense ki, he even knows instant Transmission. I like to imagine that he didn't inherit his father's mutation like Frieza did, and thus has to work for his power.

I've always thought that if they were ever to canonize Cooler like they did Broly for DBS, that'd be a great direction to take it.

Basically, my pitch for Dragon Ball Super: Cooler is this. Cooler was the older brother and should rightly have inherited the Planet Trade from Cold, but he didn't have the tremendous power Frieza had and was so overlooked. Frieza took control in a coup and ran Cooler out, with Cooler fleeing to the farthest reaches of space.

Cooler's been training himself and plotting revenge ever since. Developing his abilities the hard way so that he can one day return and retake control of the Planet Trade from Frieza.

The film would see Cooler return as a revolutionary, recruiting Vegeta to help him dethrone Frieza and reclaim his rightful place as the heir to his family legacy. Ending his brother's reign of terror throughout the galaxy as a bonus.

At the same time, the film would see Frieza recruit Goku to help him defend his throne, asserting that Cooler is a vile, despicable creature who would be 10x worse than Frieza if he rose to power. So let's put our differences aside for a moment and stop this greater threat.

Both Frieza and Cooler's assessments of each other are accurate. They both fucking suck.

So we'd have Goku and Frieza vs. Vegeta and Cooler for the second act, before the brothers manage to settle their differences and realize that they're stronger together than they ever were apart and it was wrong for their father to pit them against one another. They come together as brothers... to kill these dipshit Saiyans they brought with them, leading into Goku and Vegeta vs. Frieza and Cooler for the third act.

Possibly ending up in a Gogeta vs. Frieza/Cooler fusion? Playing off of Gogeta revealing Fusion to Frieza in the Broly film. If not a fusion then, at the very least, Golden Fifth Form Cooler or some other combination power.

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Massive Muse List

The following are just all the characters/series I would be happy to RP/answer asks about.

DC + Marvel Comics/Cartoons/Movies Just... all of them, because even if it's a deep cut I don't know, I can still research them on Google.

Brand New Animal Pink Flamingos, Michuru Kagemori

Monster Hunter Tsukino

Lilo and Stitch Experiment 624 (Angel), Nani, Lilo, Grand Councilwoman, Mertle, Experiment 123 (Carmen), Experiment 610 (Witch), Gantu

Dragon Ball Z Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, Krillen, Android 18, Bulma, Pan, Trunks, Fem!Trunks, Caulifla, Kale, Android 21, Cheelai, Broly, Dr. Arinsu, Erasa, Mai, Galena, Lagss, Maron, Piccolo, Fem! Android 17, Chronoa, Fem! Goku, Fem! vegeta

Naruto/Boruto Sakura Haruno, Hinata Hyuuga, Naruto Uzumaki, Chouji Akemichi, Rock Lee, Kiba Inazuka, Fem! Orochimaru, Tsunade, Fem! Naruto, Sarada Uchiha, Chou-Chou Akemichi, Boruto Uzumaki, Neji Hyuuga, Ten-Ten, Young! Chiyo, Konan, Anko, Kurenai, Tayuya, Karin, Ino Yamanaka, Mei Terumi, Karui, Yugao Uzuki, Hanabi Hyuuga, Tsume Inazuka, Samui, Might Guy, Moegi Kazamatsuri, Mirai Sarutobi, Jiraiya

The World Ends with You [TWEWY] Sho Minamimoto, Uzuki Yashiro, Mitsuki Konshi, Beat, Neku, Coco Atarashi, Koki Kariya, Fem! Yodai Higashizawa, Shiki Misaki, Nagi Usui, Shoka Sakurane

Bleach Ichigo Kurosaki, Orihime, Rangiku Matsumoto, Chad, Soi Fon, Uryuu Ishida, Rukia Kuchiki, Yoruichi Shihouin, Retsu Unohana, Nemu Kurotsuchi, Tier Harribel, Nel Tu, Grimmjow, Isane Kotestu, Kukaku Shiba, Tatsuki Arisawa, Cyan Sung-sun, Emilou Apacci, Kirio Hikifune, Franceska Mila Rose

One Piece Nami, Nico Robin, Nefertari Vivi, Jewelry Bonney, Boa Hancock, Sanji, Perona, Usopp, Monkey D Luffy, Stussy, Alvida, Fem! Buggy/Buggy, Boa Marigold, Boa Sandersonia, Gerd, Hina, Koby, Jango, Carrot,

Totally Spies! Sam, Alex, Clover

Nintendo All of their games... just all of them

Star vs The Forces of Evil Star Butterfly, Jackie Lyn Thomas, Moon Butterfly, Eclipsa, Toffee, Marco Diaz, Hekapoo, Ingrid Bloomgren, Mrs Liao, Mime Girl

Steven Universe Steven Universe, Greg Universe, Connie Maheswaran, Priyanka Maheswaran, Amethyst, Garnet, Pearl, Jasper, Aquamarine, Lapis Lazuli, Peridot, Sadie, Lars, Blue Diamond, Holly Blue Agate, Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz

TMNT Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, Raphael, April, Casey Jones, Kirai, Beebop, Rocksteady

Ben 10 Ben Tennyson, Kevin Levin, Gwen Tennyson, Aliens, Julie Yamamoto, Eunice, Future Gwen, Kai Green, Charmcaster, Frightwig, Myaxx,

Yu-Gi-Oh [OG, GX, 5Ds] Yugi Moto, Yami, Joey Wheeler, Seto Kaiba, Tea Gardner, Mai Valentine, Syrus Truesdale, Jaiden Yuki, Chumley Huffington, Alexis Rhodes, Blair Flannigan, Fonda Fontaine, Camula, Missy, Bastion Misawa, Chazz Princeton, Seiko, Miss Dorothy, Tania, Carly Carmine, Akiza Izinski, Jack Atlas, Angela Raines, Misty Tredwell, Duel Spirits

Mortal Kombat Kitana, Mileena, Cassie Cage, Sonya Blade, Scorpion, D'Vorah, Jade, Khameleon, Frost, Nitara, Skarlet,

My Hero Academia Izuku Midoriya, Fem!Izuku Midoriya, Fem! Katsuki Bakugo, Ochako Uraraka, Tsuyu Asui, Momo Yaoyorozu, Denki Kaminari, Fem! Minoru Mineta [Minerva Mineta], Mina Ashido, Kyoka Jirou, Nemuri Kayama, Thirteen, Manami Aiba, Danjuro Tobita, Itsuka Kendo, Ibara Shiozaki, Kinoko Komori, Pony Tsunotori, Jurota Shishida, Mei Hatsume, Himiko Toga, Rumi Usagiyama, Inko Midoriya

Hazbin Hotel/Helluvaboss Charlie Morningstar, Lute, Millie, Moxxie, Loona, Imps

RWBY Ruby Rose, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, Yang Xiao Long, Pyrrha Nikos, Nora Valkyrie, Fem! Lie Ren, Joan Arc, Jaune Arc, Cinder, Salem, Winter Schnee, Raven Branwen, Willow Schnee, Neopolitan, Fem! Roman Torchwick, Emerald Sustrai, Glynda Goodwitch, Fem! Professor Port, Lil Miss Malachite, Grimmified characters, Athena Nikos, Summer Rose, Kali Belladonna, Maria Calavera, Eve Taurus, Ciel Soliel, Penny Polendia

Sonic Sonic, Shadow, Amy Rose, Tails, Maria, Rouge the Bat, Blaze the Cat, Silver, Sally Acorn, Tangle, Whisper, Surge, Kitsunami, Jewel the Beetle, Lanoline the Sheep, Fem! Dr Eggman, Fiona Fox, Alicia Acorn, Bernadette Hedgehog, Rosemary Prowler

Jujutsu Kaisen Yuji Itadori, Nobara Kugisaki, Mei Mei, Yuki Tsukumo, Shoko Iierri, Maki Zenin, Aoi Todo

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Frieren, Fern, Stark, Himmel, Flamme, Aura, Lawine, Kanne, Ubel, Laufen, Qual

Dungeon Meshi Marcille, Chilchuc, Laios, Izutsumi, Namari, Fem!Kabru, Leed, Tade, Thistle, Canaries, Monsters

Avatar ATLA/LOK Aang, Sokka, Katara, Mai, Ty Lee, Zuko, Azula, Toph, Suki, June, Yue, Smellerbee, Jin, Asami Sato, Korra, Bolin, Izumi, Suyin, Lin, Kya

The Incredibles Bob Parr, Helen Parr, Dash Parr, Violet Parr, Mirage

Hi-Fi Rush Chai, Peppermint, Korsica, Rekka, Kale

Power Rangers Any of them

Fairly Odd Parents Trixie, Vicki, Wanda, Mrs Turner, Britney Britney, Carly, Mrs Claus, Blonda, Dr Phyllis Fancyfree, Golden Locks/Hair Razor, Crimson Chin, Veronica, Tootie, Spatula Woman, Star and Twinkle, AJ, Chester, Mrs James

Dexter's Laboratory Dexter, Dee Dee, Dexter's Mum, Agent Honeydew, The Justice Friends, Candi, Katka, Neighbour Lady, Mom-Droid, Miss Babcock, Mom's Rival, Lisa

Star Wars Ahsoka Tano, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, Padme Amidala, Asajj Ventress, Princess Leia, Barriss Offee, Captain Phasma, Rey

Sym-bionic Titan Lance, Ilana, Octus, Kimmy Mysner, Kristin, Driving Instructor, Barbara, Maribel

Generator Rex Rex Salazar, Squid, Circe, Rebecca Holiday, Breach, Noah Nixon, Claire Bowman, Cricket, Biowulf, Valentina

Samurai Jack Jack, Ashi, Scotsman's daughters, Princess Mira, Queen Krystle

OnePunch Man Saitama, Genos, Tatsumaki, Fubuki, Mosquito Girl, Do-S, Psykos, Mizuki, Asami, Natalie Ver 9, Raptora, Reptora, Shadow Ring, Tanktop Girl, Mumen Rider, Twin Tail, Wavygyaza, Lin-Lin, Lily, Maiko Plasma, Pink Hornet, Monsters

Goddess of Victory: Nikke Elegg

My Little Pony Twilight Sparkle, Applejack, Spike, Fluttershy, Rarity, Chrysalis, Discord, Princess Luna, Zecora, Princess Celestia, Sunset Shimmer

Shantae Shantae, Rotty-Tops, Monsters, Sky, Risky Boots, Empress Siren, Seven Sirens

Tomo-Chan is a Girl Tomo Aizawa, Carol Olsten, Misuzu Goudou, Junichirou Kubota, Akemi Aizawa, Ferris Olsten, Misaki Goundou, Kousuke Misaki

Monster Musume Miia, Rachnera, Lala, Centorea, Papi, Suu, Kuruko Smith, Cathyl, Abul, Sekmeti, Zombina, Doppel, Tionishia, Polt, Curie Drakulya, Leechi, Moskii, Kii, Kino

Doki Doki Literature Club Monika, Sayori, Yuri, Natsuki

Plus sized elf Elfuda, Ino Akiho, Mero, Medesa, Satero, Kusahanada, Kuroeda, Raika, Oeda, Oga, Oku, Gonda, Naoe Tomoatsu

Fairy Tail Natsu Dragneel, Lucy Heartfilia, Erza Scarlet, Gajeel Redfox, Brandish μ, Mirajane Strauss, Levy McGarden, Lisanna Strauss

Inside Job Reagan Ridley

Owl House Luz Noceda, Camila Noceda, Amity Blight, Odalia Blight, Eda, Lillith, Kikimora

Megaman Tron Bonne, Roll Caskett, Iris, Alia, Empress Roll, Roll.Exe, Mayl Sakurai,