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oh no another opinion
im not really expecting anyone to read this but after thinking about it for so many days i just wanted to write everything down.
first off i want to start by saying that i believe caiti when she says she feels violated by what happened to her. her feelings are completely valid and it's disgusting that it came to a point where she gets to feel that way. but, with that said, i want to state a couple of things.
everyone in that room failed her. being 18 and exposed to grown adults and illegal drinking is a recipe for disaster. if you're bringing your 18 year old friend to a party with people considerably older than her and with alcohol involved i don't get why you would leave her unattended. or give her alcohol. or leave her alone in a room with strangers. and not only that, but refuse to take any blame for that and try to blame people that had no way of knowing (im talking about dream, in case that wasn't clear enough). you need to grow up and stop going live to talk about this as if it's your story to tell because by doing so you're digging yourself into a deeper hole and discrediting your friend's story because of all the inconsistencies. first you were too drunk to notice anything (even though you came with her and she's your best friend), but somehow still expected other people (who were also drunk and didn't even know her until that day) to notice how she was feeling. then you did notice, but decided to keep silent instead of defending your friend and taking care of her, even going as far as leaving her alone in that room when you noticed she was uncomfortable. you're a shit friend.
consent is a very tricky topic here, because i personally think different types of consent are cultural and depend on the type of crowd you're a part of in that specific moment. yes, verbal consent is very important, but to assume it always happens is delusional at best. maybe it's because i partake a lot in hookup culture (that is to say, i am not chronically online and leave my house and have normal human interactions in my day to day life). consent can be found in a lot of different things, like a hand to your shoulder, to a nod on your head, to a cuddle. it shouldn't be like that, but in mainstream culture that's just how things are. do i think that's okay? absolutely not. but just because i perceive it like that doesn't mean every single person does. my main issue with that in this specific situation is the power dynamics that play into it. if it were normal people i wouldn't really give it that importance but george being a really big and important creator really changes things. he holds some power over her, whether he realises that or not, and just because of that explicit consent should always be expected. now i don't think he's really aware of how this power dynamic works out for him (seeing as he spent most of his life stuck in his room, never really went out, got drunk or even interacted with other people apart from his close friend group until he moved to florida) and he's still navigating through it. i don't think he understands how someone may feel pressured to act fine around him or play into his games just because he is who he is. and now this brings me to my next topic.
george is not an assaulter. he's a dumbass boy who was drunk and needs to learn about boundaries and put himself in women's shoes for a minute to understand the shit we have to go through everyday. i don't think he did anything purposefully and wanted to take advantage of anyone. he touched a waist. that's it. i get that it can be uncomfortable for her and that he should've asked for explicit consent before doing that because he didn't knew her to just assume body language but that is not sexual assault. they were both drunk and he had no indication that what he was doing was bothering her. i can understand why he thought it was okay (laughing, smiling, getting up and sitting back next to him, deciding to stay even after her friends left) and i can also see how caiti could do this to avoid awkwardness. at the end of the day, it all was just a big misunderstanding. that's why you need to communicate when you're engaging with someone. you need to ask if they're feeling okay, but you also need to reassure that person that you're comfortable or like what's happening.
what really irked me about this is the rape rhetoric used by caiti in her statement. i don't want this to sound as victim blaming, because it's not, i just don't understand it. i've been thinking about this since i watched her stream and i need to get my thoughts down, so bear with me. when i first watched everything i thought he was touching her in private parts or straight up groping her, i even said so to my irl. i don't actually remember the actual words used, so forgive me if i say anything wrong, but i remember her saying things like feeling stuck in place and like she couldn't escape, feeling dirty months after it happened and not knowing how to make it stop. i don't know her or what she's been through to have such a strong reaction to what happened, but at the end of the day it was just your waist getting touched and you being uncomfortable. it's not okay. but you weren't raped, you weren't groped. telling things in a way that implies you were, i don't know if purposeful or not, is disgusting. by doing that you're diminishing the experiences of a lot of different people that have gone through so much worse things.
people projecting their trauma into this situation is why it became such a sensitive topic. your experience is not caiti's. don't pretend like you went through the same thing because you didn't. people think that just because they'd been SAd (i have been too! it's not important to the story though) they are more capable of forming opinions or treating this more critically are wrong. it's the opposite. you are not being rational about this and you are not being critical, you are being triggered and blowing things out of proportion. from the bottom of my heart, seek help, you need it.
ccs need to stop being so performative. as dream said, support victims because they deserve it, not because it's convenient. some of them are so scared to lose their platform they become so spineless it's actually scary. i'm not naming names, but i think that if someone reads this they'll know what i'm talking about.
this is a more direct "attack" (not attack, really, i just don't understand) but i'm still not going to name anyone. you can't say people need to stop being parasocial and just follow your lead in the same sentence. you're just saying stop being parasocial to these ccs but be parasocial to me instead and just do what i say because i actually know better. i don't understand why you're implying they're bad people and have always been when a week ago you were actively engaging with them and calling them your sibling. what am i supposed to take from that? why are you saying they're bad people now, when this came out, but were perfectly fine staying in their house weeks before this happened. if you know something, just say it. and i don't mean rumours, or things you've seen that are now taken out of context.
my final point, unless i came back to this later and have more to add, is that this could have been avoided if these people with platforms just learned how to communicate privately. dream asked months after that night if everything was fine, if something happened, and no one said anything. caiti continued talking to george (even if it was passive aggressive, or whatever she wants to call it) for months after it happened. isn't it better to just straight up telling him hey!! this happened!!! i didn't like it!!! or, if she wasn't ready to do it by then, just talk to him or one of his friends before going public with it. it's not a situation where he was made aware of the issue and continued being a cunt, he just had no idea of what was happening.
i wanna finish this by saying i don't hate them, i actually still like them (that can change as more information comes out). they need to grow as people and, for the love of god, go to therapy. but i don't think they're bad people or that this has to end their careers.
take care everyone
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Honestly what's y'all's thoughts on the georgenotfound situation?
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I wanna remind everyone who's focusing on underaged drinking surrounding the topic of abuse, that the drinking age in most countries is 18 & the US is 21 (so depending on where she was, it was legal) and that even if she was underaged drinking, she didn't do anything wrong.
She was 18 and doing what majority of people do at 18 - drinking with friends at a party. It's not an invitation for assault, it's not a "putting yourself in that position".
It's as simple as a man abusing his power & any adult who isn't an abuser or an assaulter wouldn't have done it.
Stop focusing on the underaged drinking and start focusing on the shitty abusive human being that still has a major platform who's about to do some PR control.
#caitibugzz#caiti if you ever see this as a survivor i see you & i hear you & i stand with you#georgenotfound#Yes George came out in direct response to the nameless allegations!!! They removed their own anonymity
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* Wilbur soot gets outed as an abuser *
Aw , dang it
*georgenotfound gets outed as a pedo the day after I met him *
Aw , dang it
* Cody ko gets outed as a pedo *
Aw , dang it
* Melanie Martinez gets sa allegations / outed as an as’er *
Aw , dang it
* Ava Tyson gets outed as a pedo *
Aw , dang it
* Mr beast new tv show allegations ,
AW , DANG IT .
#ava tyson#mr beast#wilbur soot#georgenotfound#melanie martinez#allegations#what the fuck#why does this keep happening#2024#it’s always MY YouTubers / celebrities
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glad i stopped being a dsmp fan last year because wtf.
#georgenotfound#george davidson#sapnap#dream#punz#wilbur soot#caitibugzz#shelby shubble#alice#andi#dsmp#dsmp has gone to shit#never thought it'd end like tthis#i thought the dream allegations would be the last thing#but wtf#wtf
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george allegations
first of all i still support george js like with wilbur
second of all i support all victims
third of all don’t send death threats to any one
if you want me to talk abt the george allegations you can ask
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finding out that the “victim” lied about being drunk before they got to the room is crazy lmao
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In light of the dsmp member allegations, I have some thoughts:
1) Whatever feelings you may have at this time, believe victims firstly. I know it can be hard when there’s so much coming out at once, but the only way we make things better for victims is by believing them and taking this all seriously. It’s unfortunate to hear these things about people you supported, but I do think power corrupts, and the way to combat that is accountability. These victims deserve peace and closure.
2) Personally, I rescind any and all support I ever gave to dsmp members. For the sake of transparency, the only members I’ve still been watching are Tommy, and I occasionally engage with Ranboo’s social media. Neither of them have done anything wrong, as far as we know, and no allegations have been made about them. However, this is not a public endorsement of them and if any such allegations are made about them, rest assured that I will stop watching them as well.
3) I have, for a long while now, been inactive on Twitter and have no plans of reengaging with it. I think the management overall there has rendered it unusable for anything other than unethical paid promos and ai bots. My mental health has improved immensely since distancing myself from it, even though I was never that active to begin with. I’m leaving my account up for the sake of friends I have made and content I want preserved, but this may change. As of now, my primary contact points outside of Twitch are gonna be here (Tumblr) and my Discord, only. Yes, it slows down what news I have access to, but I still encourage others to do the same.
This will likely be the last thing I say about dsmp. I have old posts on here about it that I don’t see the point in deleting because it was important to me at the time and good outlet. But, I wanted to make a statement explaining my current stance so there’s no misunderstanding. What it was was good, but it’s been long gone for a while now. I no longer have any desire to align myself with that community and these creators.
#dsmp#streaming#streamer#twitch#mcyt#twitter#allegations#wilbur situation#punz#georgenotfound#wilbur soot#dsmp critical
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Oh George so kisses his friends when he’s drunk are you kidding me
#boy is begging for a kiss with his eyes#the drunk kiss knf allegations are coming back I’m sorry#georgenotfound#drunk banter
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So i know this is kinda weird question but what happend with the Gnf allegations? What wqs confirmed and all because honestly- i had forgotten about and just remember because tiktok remomemded a video of someone basicly calling Caiti a "Wolf in sheep's clothing" and i kinda confused now. Because you know. This is TIKTOK we talkin about 90% IS missinformation and honestly i just curious
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an important message:
hello everyone, this has been coming for a little while now but i wasn't really sure how to approach it.
i will no longer be writing for dream.
after everything that's happened with the allegations against him (which he has yet to properly address), and the qsmp/usmp drama that he's currently fanning the flames of, i can no longer support or defend him. i have decided it will be best to distance myself from him as a creator.
you obviously do not have to agree with me at all! but for me, i will no longer be supporting or keeping up with dream.
i'm so sorry if anybody is upset by this, please don't start fights with me in the comments over it, as they will just be deleted. i will not be arguing about it or changing my mind.
with all that being said, i will post the remaining drafts i have including him soon (since i already put in the time and effort of making them) but nothing further will be written. i will keep his works up on my masterlist, but will not be taking any more requests for him.
sorry again to anyone who is upset by this, feel free to unfollow if you want to.
much love, annabeth
#mcyt#mcyts x reader#x reader#dream smp#dsmp#dream#dream x reader#dreamwastaken#dreamwastaken x reader#dsmp x reader#georgenotfound x reader#georgenotfound#sapnap#sapnap x reader#dream allegations#usmp#dream team x reader#dream team
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Another one got accused
stop being shocked when your mid white minecraft youtuber turns out to be a horrible human being, we been knew!!
#this happens every time??#why are you surprised anymore#they're the same group of friends who are okay with each other's behaviour behind closed doors#and i'm seeing this content against my will#yes this is about wilbur AND georgenotfound#but like y'all saw dream & his allegations and everyone else#all white men youtubers are usually outed as bad people!!!#like guys please#think critically
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if mcyt isn’t fiction then
people who create dnd characters that are similar to them in personality are just playing themselves and should not be treated as having made a character
people who make any other dnd character should also be treated as just playing themselves since people refuse to even consider roleplay smps as fiction
any ocs someone puts a bit of themselves into? nope not fiction!
actors who play a character with the same first name as them aren’t really acting
and so on
maybe YOU can’t separate characters and real people and think that everything you see from a youtuber even when they’re explicitly acting is how they are in real life but we as a fandom just don’t have that issue lol. we’ve had disclaimers and indicators for when we’re talking about characters and not content creators for years because a certain smp contained a character having suicidal thoughts as a result of abuse at the hands of another character and we needed to make it absolutely crystal clear that we were referring to a fictional storyline and not real guy #1 being an abuser and real guy #2 being suicidal. these customs have either extended into other corners of mcyt fandom, or some developed their own independently like hispanic mcyt fans have used the word cubito to distinguish mc guy from real life guy from years, a term that other language speakers liked so much we’ve also started picking it up lol
we know exactly what we’re doing. i get that the line maybe does seem more blurred to an outsider looking in (i wouldn’t know given that both my first fandom at age 12 and current fandom at age 20 were mcrp lol) but it’s universally understood amongst us. i don’t have a problem separating hermitcraft!gem and empires s1!gem the wizard with a twin brother and empires s2!gem the princess and cc!gem the real life canadian woman.
idk it rubs me the wrong way that after years of trying to explain this we’re either met with people calling us racists because of three guys that the rest of us (all of us, really, because dream team fans do not claim to be minecraft fans. those are the type to actually write rpf and ship the real life racist guys) hate probably a lot more than any of you do, or they watch a few minutes of a less roleplay-heavy series/part and decide that the entire medium is invalid as a form of storytelling
it’s so annoying. i don’t think we need to be understood to have validity as a fandom we’ve been doing this for years already without that but it is so infuriating and sad how whenever there’s some kind of fandom poll thing one of three things happens
mcyt fans are banned outright and placed on the same level as something like hp
an mcyt fan runs their own and gets harassed for it
a non-mcyt fan allows us in until they get harassed so badly by whatever fandoms we go up against that they end up deleting our bracket
in what world is that normal behaviour. and that harassment always involves calling them all racist cishet white men such as misgendering both eret (real life bisexual genderqueer person) and their character (also queer), attempting to harass jimmy solidarity fans because jimmy makes mc videos so he must be a dream associate (the only time they interacted was in a tournament during which dream and georgenotfound shittalked jimmy’s best friends to his face), all the shit quackity has gotten for being a former friend of the dream team as if he wasn’t the #1 victim of their racism and xenophobia, the fact that any time c!technoblade is involved in a poll we have to beg other fandoms not to talk shit about him because the real life man died of cancer before dream’s grooming allegations came out, similarly when tfc was in one. and so on and so forth. all because people can’t separate roleplay and real life and think that the entire minecraft sphere revolves around dream just because their idea of mcyt does (not even his own smp named after him did that).
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About the current situation:
There's a streamer, Caitibugzz, making an allegation that some people believe is directed towards Georgenotfound. She doesn't name him, and the details are somewhat confusing, but people are making that connection. I'm not entirely convinced myself, mostly due to the number of people involved not adding up for dteam.
Her allegation is that while drunk in a hotel room in summer 2023 with several other people, he touched her several times, the first time she only describes it as "sticking his hand under her clothing and asking if she was ticklish" although she does not say where. And then "touching her in certain areas to make her lose the phone game that she was playing". She alleges that he contacted her on instagram, although no specifics are provided. That he left the hotel room at the same time as her, and asked her to get in the elevator with him, she refused and he left. She never describes telling him to stop, although she does describe being very uncomfortable.
I have mixed feelings on her allegations myself. She uses very flowery language when talking about things and colors statements without actually providing details, she doesn't actually discuss where she was touched at all and that context really matters. Like, a drunk guy poking you in the side right under your shirt has an extremely different context than a guy groping at you under your clothing. Or someone tapping your shoulder to make you lose a phone game vs touching elsewhere.
Without that context, it's really hard for me to know how I feel about this. If her allegation is directed towards George, and it's "while we were drunk, he poked me in the side and then tapped me on the shoulder to make me lose a phone game" then that's something I feel extremely differently about than "while we were drunk he groped me in front of other people". One can easily be a misunderstanding and someone not behaving appropriately while drunk and thinking everyone's having fun, the other is assault. I'd want more context there and for George to be able to make a response if this is about him before I'd cast judgement.
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Sapnap stans on twt are pissed because everybody hopes that their streamer dies next, like yes! Nobody in the English community likes him!
He called a gay pride event “so AIDS” once because he lost! He willingly joined Kick, a website filled with literal nazis, just for the money! He’s best friends with known groomer and all around piece of shit Dream! He and Dream both covered up allegations of their new best friend manatreed being a domestic abuser by doing dsmp lore! His other bff is georgenotfound, who sexually assaulted a drunk girl! And he helped cover that up for over a year until the news came out this year! He and his friends were all super racist towards Quackity for YEARS while the dsmp was going on to the point of Quackity spending multiple qsmp streams talking about his trauma regarding racist behavior in the twitch community!
And that’s all just off the top of my head! The English community at large has abandoned this dude because he and his friends are all enormous pieces of shit who should have been deplatformed years ago. He’s a despicable, slimy mess of a “human being” with no personality and no morals. And if he wins Squidcraft again this year, nobody will ever take the event seriously again. Because not only will a gringo have won an originally-Hispanic event two years running, but a genuinely evil one will have won. Twice.
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It's fine I perservere through everything bc I am just that cool
Also yeah, wtf has happened since I've been gone??? Like? Last I new was the Wilbur stuff and know there's talk of the French Union threatening to sue Quackity (I think? I'm a little confused on the whole thing)
oh god sammie you have missed. so much.
um. ok. nutshell summary. this is gonna be long. (tw: talks about more abuse and SA allegations being brought against other ccs)
other mcyt cc allegations after wilbur:
you know what happened with wilbur. after all the support shelby received, another streamer caitibugzz (another brighton cc) came forward with her own story about being sexually assaulted by a cc at vidcon while she was 18 and he was 26. she didn't name him but like with wilbur it didn't take long for people to figure out she was talking about georgenotfound. anyway, uh, that spiraled into a thing. george said a lot of shit, dream involved himself way too much, it was a mess.
immediately after that, punz's ex girlfriend, andi, came forward and discussed how toxic their relationship was and detailed a time they had sex while she was blackout drunk, which is SA. punz did respond insisting he didn't realize how drunk she was, it turned into a whole thing, andi's response basically boiled down to read both sides of the story and form your own opinion.
also then punz jumped in on whatever the hell was going on with dream and george with george's own allegations and discussed how in his entire friendship with dream he's felt very intimidated to speak out against him and often thought of him as a boss more than a friend. along with that he also brought up a point regarding his ex girlfriend andi, but I'm not going to go into too much detail on that because I don't believe andi wanted all that information to be made public and punz later deleted the posts.
at the same time another thing happened. another cc in the brighton group, lexie marie, had spoken out multiple times about how her ex was emotionally abusive to her and the day before wilbur posted his 'apology', she and shelby even did a whole stream together discussing abuse and their experiences. anyway, lexie's abuser was publicly named as wisp, so yeah he responded with an 'apology' of his own.
NOW AS FOR QSMP:
like a week or two after wilbur's 'apology' was posted, a former admin of one of the qsmp updates accounts came forward on twitter and discussed the terrible working conditions she and all the other admins have been having to deal with working for quackity studios. we learned that the updates accounts and the egg admins were unpaid, and were often pushed to pulling more hours or doing extra work they shouldn't have. this blew up in the community and quackity ended up doing a stream to say he basically has to do an entire restructure of the server because the finances for the server were being severely mishandled and he was under the impression most of these people were getting paid when they were not. (also, during this stream quackity made a quick aside to say that wilbur was going to be removed from the qsmp)
since then, more admins have left the team (agent 18, ramón's current admin) saying they haven't received communication and aren't sure what's going on.
one of the issues the initial whistleblower brought up was that pomme's admin had just recently been removed from the whitelist for the server and kicked from the discord server without being given much of an explanation. the french cc's all collectively said if pomme was not given back her role they would not continue on the server. today pomme's admin revealed herself and made a post saying she still hasn't received any communication with the team and is quitting entirely. dapper's admin resigned in solidarity with her.
then today quackity did another stream discussing how things are taking time because they have to work out a lot of internal legal issues and because it's legal stuff he can't give that many updates. he's also been hesitant to update people because he doesn't want to make false promises, as right now the qsmp does not have enough money to pay the egg admins and they won't return unless he finds funds for that because he's ending all unpaid positions. also, as people have left the project, some have been posting private screenshots from the qsmp discord or from communications with the qsmp team and quackity has said these leaks have been causing issues with the legal stuff they're dealing with, and also what's going on has been misconstrued as a result of these leaks, so that's another reason he's been keeping quiet about things. but he's determined to work this all out and to keep the qsmp going, but he completely understands if people don't want to stick with the project or if people who have worked with it wish to leave.
as far as the union goes, the initial whistleblower was a french admin for the updates account and so when she left the studio she contacted a french union about the unfair working conditions. the union has posted on twitter calling out quackity studios saying they're in violation of french labor laws and that if quackity refuses to communicate with them they will pursue legal action. except today we also learned from one of the union guys on twitter that they have not attempted to email him at all. they made their posts on twitter and said it's quackity's responsible to contact them. for the record, quackity deleted twitter a while ago so he's not on that platform right now. as you can see this raised some eyebrows.
so uh yeah. I'm missing a lot of details I know but I was trying to give as much of a summary as I could hitting all the major points. you have missed literally the most insane past few weeks.
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