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#for the entire season it seems#formula 1#f1#lewis hamilton#formula one#lhfw#mercedes amg f1#f1blr#lh44#team lh44#mercedes f1#monza gp 2023#italian gp 2023#lewis#co ord sets#f1 lb#f1 memes#2023#fic ref 2023
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Even if a creator is a bad person it's still okay to like their work. People need to mind their own business.
Honestly it's not really that sort of situation. I'll actively defend Steven Moffat here.
There was a huge hate movement for him back in the early 2010s - which, in retrospect, formed largely because he was running 2 of the superwholock shows at once, one of which went through extremely long hiatuses* and the other of which was functionally an adaptation of an already well regarded show**, making him subject to a sort of double ire in the eyes of a lot of fandom people. Notably, his co-showrunner, Mark Gatiss, is rarely mentioned and much of his work is still attributed to Moffat (and yes, this includes that Hbomberguy video. Several of "Steven Moffat's bad writing choices" were not actually written by him, they were Gatiss.)
People caricatured the dude into a sort of malicious, arrogant figure who hated women and was deliberately mismanaging these shows to spite fans, to the point where people who never watched them believe this via cultural osmosis. It became very common to take quotes from him out of context to make them look bad***, to cite him as an example of a showrunner who hated his fans, someone who sabotaged his own work just to get at said fans, someone who was too arrogant to take criticism, despite all of this being basically a collective "headcanon" about the guy formed on tumblr. Some if it got especially terrible, like lying about sexual assault (I don't mean people accused him of sexual assault and I think they're making it up, I mean people would say things like "many of his actresses have accused him of sexual assault on set" when no such accusations exist in the first place. This gets passed around en masse and is, in my opinion, absolutely rancid.)
On top of that a ton of the criticism directed at the shows themselves is, personally, just terrible media criticism. So much of it came from assuming a very hostile intent from the writer and just refusing to engage with the text at all past that.
Like some really common threads you see with critique of this writer's work, especially in regards to Doctor Who since that's the one I'm most familiar with:
A general belief that his lead characters were meant to be ever perfect self inserts, and so therefore when they act shitty or arrogant or flawed in any way, that's both reflective of the author and something the show wants you to view as positive or aspirational.
An overarching thesis that his characters are "too important" in the narrative due to the writer's arrogance and self obsession (even though this is a very deliberate theme that's stated several times)
A lot of focus on the writer personally "attacking" the fans or making choices primarily out of spite.
A tendency to treat the show being different to what it's adapting as inherently bad and hostile towards the original.
Just generally very little consideration and engagement with the themes, intent, etc. of the shows
This one's a little more nebulous and doesn't apply to all critique but a lot of it, especially recently, is clearly by people who haven't seen the show in like 10 years and their opinion is largely formed secondhand through like, "discourse nostalgia". Which. you know. bad.
I think these are just weird and nonsensical ways to engage with a work of fiction. I also think it's really sad to see the show boiled down to this because that era of who is, in my opinion, very thematically rich and unique among similar shows, and I'm disappointed that it's often dismissed in such a paltry way.
This isn't to say people aren't allowed to critique Steven Moffat or anything, but the context in which he basically became The Devilā¢ to a large portion of fandom and is still remembered in a poor light is very tied to this perfect storm of fan culture and I just don't agree with a ton of it.
* I'm sure most people have seen the way long running shows and hiatuses will cause people to fall out with a show, with some former fans turning around and joining a sort of "anti fandom" for it while it's still airing. That happened with both these shows. ** Doctor Who will change it's entire writing staff, crew, and cast every few years, and with that comes a change in style, tone, theme - the old show basically ends and is replaced by a new show under the same title. As Steven Moffat's era was the first of these handovers for the majority of audiences, you can imagine this wasn't a well loved move for many fans. *** I know for a fact most people have not sought out the sources for a lot of these quotes to check that they read the same in context because 1) most of them were deleted years ago and are very difficult to find now and 2) many of them do actually make sense in the context of their respective interviews
#and yeah i think the hbomberguy video is kind of bad#I can pull up examples but a lot of what he's saying is very rooted in this sort of critique#maybe most egregiously he sometimes just explains something very poorly or outright incorrectly to make it seem worse or more nonsensical#ex. saying a scene in doctor who 'steals a huge chunk of the plot' when it's less than 30 seconds long#saying two characters randomly start hanging out again while not mentioning the episode entirely dedicated to this#or the way her decision to keep hanging out with him is the emotional turning point of the entire season#etc etc etc.
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penelopeās styling so far in all the press material is definitely inspired by 40ās and 50ās looks, what with the hair and makeup (clothes not so much obv) and i really like that. in previous seasons her style was ridiculous to the point of making her look childish, with an exception here or there. this season they want her to look mature, sexy, siren-ish even, and of course they canāt āmodernizeā her so to speak by doing 2024 makeup and hair on her, so theyāre doing it by referencing looks that are not current to us but are in our collective consciousness as an era of glamour and allure. i really like that! i think itās such a smart move, and itās a very unique approach to characters in this show. itās the most anachronistic theyāve been so far. i do wonder if this approach is only towards her look, or if it reflects how their attitude towards her character itself has changed this season. penelope, i think, is the character with the most āmodernā storyline and the most chances of them kind of belittling the historical component in favor of a more girlboss-y take and i think there, for me at least and for now, lies her appeal: the opportunity to truly be the āaudience stand-inā character
#the entire trailer and how sheās being framed just has me Thinkin#it feels so different from the other two seasons#i saw people talking about the costumes and perhaps even that is being done to exacerbate this anachronism they seem to be really going for#i like it. i think weāre in for a treat#bridgerton#i like this show a normal amount#penelope featherington
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HAPPY RELEASE NEWS DAY, Y'ALL
#OFMD#Our Flag Means Death#OFMD Season 2#Revenge Rambles#I'm having to sort of pick myself up because I had an ATROCIOUS day at work#So if my energy doesn't seem NEARLY as chaotic as it should be...that's why lmao#But MAN if it isn't so so beautiful and so so lovely to see so much ENERGY abound again#Like seeing those tags GLOW#SEEING THE TAGS TREND#AFTER SO MANY MONTHS SHKDJSLLDK#AFTER SO MANY INSTANCES OF PEOPLE GETTING THEIR HOPES UP#LIKE LMAO WILD#STILL DOESN'T FEEL REAL#MY BRAIN STILL HASN'T ENTIRELY CAUGHT UP
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tbh i think a lot of the people saying "well both sides are wrong"/"bt stans are just as toxic" are just not exposed to other perspectives in this fandom. as a buddie fan who's been watching this show since s1, i can safely say that buddie fans have always been toxic. like as fact. to me, to say that bucktommy fans are just as harmful or just as annoying or just as bad as buddies consistently are is just. delusional. indicative of at worst a biased opinion and at best an uninformed one. buddie has been here since s2 and fans have ruthless ever since. bucktommy has been here for 3/4 of a season and for the most part, stay in their lane. i'm sure there are bucktommy fans who suck, like that's just being on the internet, but you have to be blind to ignore how insane buddie fans are and genuinely how much worse they are in comparison.
i don't want to generalize and i think constantly adding that disclaimer is annoying as hell bc obviously i'm not talking about everyone but because buddie has been here for so long and taken up so much mental space of very die-hard, passionate fans, you're going to see much more intensity on that side. after season 5, i had to step away from the fandom and the show because of how frustrating it got. it was annoying to see people swear up and down buddie will be canon by the end of s3-no wait s4-no wait s5-no wait- and ultimately it sucked my enjoyment out of a show i otherwise enjoyed because i got swept up in the Buddie Of It All and forget about why i watch the show to begin with. we've been left to stew in our theories and now we can't tell what canon and what's fanon anymore, and when the show reminds us, the disappointment and frustration kills our hopes.
i was also active in the dan and phil fandom and supernatural fandom, like ik why people think we're annoying and it's because we are. we make everything about the one thing we like, we comment on every post begging for it to become canon, we're violently disappointed when the show doesn't play into our fan theories because we've convinced ourselves buddie is going to happen by the end of the next episode or actually the end of this season or actually maybe the end of the next season. we've torn a part every female love interest, either making them boring or making them unlikeable in our fanon. all that to say is that when people call us annoying, they're telling the truth and when bucktommy fans say buddie fans are toxic, they're coming from a sincere place. i mean we can't even enjoy our own ship because we're so quick to get our hopes up and be let down about something as stupid it becoming canon. who cares if it becomes canon, just like it to like it.
and it makes sense why there's perceived "toxicity" on the bucktommy side. our energy is being matched; the obsession, the passion, the surge in fandom. if you don't like it or even just find it annoying, i suggest you guys look back on your own posts and comments and behaviors towards other people in the fandom and other characters and unbiasedly compare it to the Toxic Bucktommy Shippers you're claiming you hate. if bucktommy fans are obsessive, it's because we've set the stage for that. if bucktommy fans are getting aggro and defensive, it's because buddie fans have been on the opposition and don't know how to turn it off. we've gone from underdog to bully somewhere in the last 6 seasons.
#buddie fans are slowly killing themselves with all goal-post moving and fighting anything that moves#i mean we've been the underdogs for so long it makes sense we're defensive but at some point that turned into full on attacks at anything#that isnt buddie#so now we're not underdogs we're actually the very loud majority often punching down at people for enjoying maybe a smaller ship#ive stopped interacting with the buddie side of the fandom personally because bucktommy fans are way more lighthearted#its like when ppl trust men more if they have a cat lol like if youre a buddie shipper and you like bucktommy i trust you way more#i like bucktommy too and i think them being āāendgameāā or whatever makes a lot of sense#and im becoming more and more obsessed with them as the show goes on bc thats the story#buck being happy and cute and blushy is adorable and i wanna see more#anyways ive been wanting to air out my thoughts about this for a while#cause its really interesting to see this progression and where it seems like the story is going#and how fans react to that#if the show ends and buddie never becomes canon. how are they gonna feel. how will they cope if we get a bucktommy marriage in 2 seasons#will they boycott or finally just leave the show entirely?#or will they just pinch their nose and sit there miserable bc they just couldnt adapt?#911 abc
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#š#HE SCREAMED AT YOU???#hbhhnfhhbbggggggfgggg i know it was said in shock at what the boss was doing#rather than in shock that the boss did that TO PIM but hhfvrvgghgfghgggggfrf#i love this entire beginning scene just with them so muchā¦ā¦ā¦. the contrast between this and their first interaction in the pilot#charlie is so clearly invested in what pim is saying and he 100% believes him and agrees with him#not to say heās EVER been an outward jerk toward him cuz he hasnāt but Man. this is. yeah#i know this is like the episode where they split for this season im guessing#as in just for this one episode and then theyāre together again for the rest#but this and the way charlie seemed to like. get More stressed out and afraid when he noticed pim approaching the boss at the end#man is that more than enough for me#literally this could be it for the next 2 years like what happened with season 1 and id be literally fine#Sigh#god iām So Excited#also the little jazz hands pim does to signal screaming.. I love you I love you I love you i love love love you ilove you so muc pim pimlin
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The good thing about this being a weekly airing series is that I'll get to see pretty quickly if I'm on the mark with this but rn am thinking of how pre-amnesia seven was unreadable and so people presumed the worse. Like, we know this part already. His (relative) silence and lack of clear expression let people read into him what they thought fitting.
With post-amnesia seven meanwhile, one of his main characteristics is how *chatty* he is. Someone will charge at him and he'll start commentating.
So, like, now he's getting his memories *back* (albeit in dribs and drabs), the first thing we notice is the whole earnestly trying to murder some guys (as opposed to half-heartedly fighting and/or being on the defence the whole time). But, we actually see in his mind during this. We see that he's been instructed to react in this way. That he's literally superimposing skulls/monsters(?) over the Stan guys in his head (#healthy coping mechanisms). But he doesn't say anything to anyone there and they sure can't see into his mind and so all *they* see is an unleashed killing machine. He's back to not explaining himself.
And, it's just, they presume the worst this time too. Dai Bo, especially, is clearly wondering if he's going to lose the Seven he knows. And sure, we don't have the whole picture as the audience yet, but we can still see that Seven's first *action* after being set off was actually to *protect* the healer. It was only after he'd acted to save that he got swept into the bloodlust.
I'm guessing a lot of this season is going to be us watching Seven acting more like his pre-amnesiac self, but this time, we'll be getting the inside scoop on what's going on inside his brain. So as the audience, we can see how he's both his past and present (how his past was never as different as it seemed), but those around him won't get that insight. They'll be forced to trust in the bonds Seven built with them previously. And it'll either come down to them seeing through Seven to the root of his actions or to Seven actually being able to *communicate* this time, now he's actually been able to make connections of his own. Connections his past self was sorely lacking.
#scissor seven#scissor seven spoilers#rewatched ep 2 to check I wasn't entirely making stuff up here and am super struck by how worried dai bo is about seven this season#he's always been the money-making type but he instantly pays the mob so that seven doesn't have to use the sword again#I think it makes sense that dai bo-seven will be given focus this season but at the same time.#they sometimes choose to focus on sth entirely different and there's already been the redtooth ep so we'll see#redtooth/chairwoman jiang - seven/thirteen parallels go brrr too. the ep 3 ed credits sure seemed to think so too#also. pacing-wise I think we'll make progress with the memories faster than we have before but I kinda doubt we'll get a full merger#in this season. we could do! but it seems doubtful to me at this stage.#+ I think at present the flashbacks are still presenting enough ambiguity (plus the whole cursed sword thing) that I think the audience#will still be pulled along with the 'is he/isn't he evil' thing. I just think we'll get more pieces than those who can't see into his brain
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I'll be honest Arcane is really important to me so I thought I would give it one more shot but after all this...I think I'm done with fandom. It's just become too exhausting to deal and as much as I want it to go back to what it used to be it just simply isn't. People are just so profoundly cruel and awful if you dare to have a different opinion. I tried opening my asks in case anyone wanted to debate me on my posts in private but regretted it immediately. The messages were just so NASTY and I cannot understand how people justify hurting real people over fictional characters. Fandom decorum is out the window and no one wants to even hear that their behavior is wrong much less attempt to fix it. Idk. It just makes me sad. We need community so much right now but it just seems like online is no longer the place to look for it.
#idk im sad#this has been a really hard month for me#i was really looking forward to this#and the internet has almost entirely ruined it for me#i dont mean of course that you cant have a different opinion#but for every respectful person there seems to be 5 more of the NASTIEST people#arcane season 2 spoilers#arcane spoilers#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane series#arcane fandom#arcane season 1
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"Picard season 3 was the perfect end to the TNG era!"
How the TNG era begins: Humans prove their worth on the galactic stage by solving a space mystery, choosing reason over violence, and liberating a captive alien godling.
How the TNG era ends: The crew get together to do a Death Star trench run on a Borg cube, annihilating an entire species.
#star trek picard#I wouldn't hate this season half as much if the entire Internet didn't seem intent on browbeating me into thinking that it was good.#the last generation
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The Leverage OT3 in Every Episode
Leverage: 01x06 The Miracle Job
#leverage#the miracle job#leverage ot3#ot3: hitter hacker thief#the leverage ot3 in every episode#leverage ot3 casual touches#inde gifs#inde gifs: the miracle job#inde gifs: the leverage ot3 in every episode#inde gifs: leverage ot3 casual touches#inde gifs: leverage ot3#idk if I neee this exhaustive of a tagging system but whatever it works#one of these days this series will stop being me gifing the entire episode#but not today because this is the good stuff#also this episode had so many clips of Christian Kane making such weird faces#like I wonder if this is why heās chewing gum later on something was up#but it was funny#I had a lot more gifs but I cut it back for whay I thought was the best parts#also what is up with season 1 lighting I stg#the other seasons lighting seems so much nicer but season 1 la vibes#everything is so dark#I edited the best I knew how to get all the nice ot3 details#also so much slapping by Eliot in this episode#AND THEM PUTTING ON PARKERS HARNESS?#like this girl is experienced she knows how to do this#like this means everything#also the looks between them in this episode all I gotta say#Eliot Spencer#Parker#alec hardison
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i request monetary compensation from all the bitches in season 4 who were whining at jon about how immoral it was for him to ask people questions when apparently he could have been making people run to death or otherwise kill them after forcing statements (without even having to ask a question). y'all got the nicest version of what the archivist could be and you were assholes about it for no reason, shame shame i know your name
#personal#the magnus protocol#tmagp#tmagp spoilers#i forget sometimes how much characters who were jon peter or elias annoyed the shit out of me this season#cuz CLEARLY jon asking someone 'tell me a story' on their commute is nOT the worst thing he could do#(which y'all already knew because gertrude had a fucking body count. in the hundreds. but i digress)#the archivist in this reality is clearly a much more malicious position than it ever was when jon was in the role#and likely was that way even before the institute's destruction messed with the actual archives#considering the archivist seems to have been trapped in the ruins of the institute the entire time until sam and alice released it#all these fuckers owe jon an apology#get og basira back so she can fucking grovel#and og melanie too (well actually not because unpopular opinion time but i do Not care for melanie)#(i love lydia but idk if i'm willing to suffer through melanie to get her i'll just relisten to rq gaming or smth)
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its probably meant to be somewhat ambiguous but it seems most likely that armand was gaslighting louis so that he didn't trust himself and daniel didn't trust him. he also seemed to basically get what he wanted by instigating a fight and igniting some passion, we see by next ep's start it probably got resolved with sex and absolution. idk the talamasca angle is not as interesting a story
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That's cool. You're able to hold that I'm able to hold mine. Interpretations are just that. I will say it doesn't matter whether Armand planted them, or not, because he still ends up gaslighting Louis in the 2x04 argument anyway. Itās effectively gaslighting even if they are telling the truth here as they see it because of how things stack up and what's said.
It is basically how you said, and I'll just go ahead and expand for anyone who might not see it so clearly. Initially, it seems he's more or less trying to just get Louis off his case for the photos, and is willing to throw him, his mental state, and character under the bus, to do so. But Louis already straight up knows him of doing manipulative things, of this exact sort, in the interview before this event even occurred - Namely that Armand is making himself look far more approachable, and better to Daniel, even after they'd both agreed to basically tear this guy to shreds, which makes Louis look worse by default, and goes against what they agreed to both do. Armand has a repeated tendency to fall through on his promises, or promise things, but then take it his own direction when it suits him. In all cases, he does keep obstructing Louis interview, especially when it comes to Daniel, and won't fully admit to it. - this is why Louis' so reactive, among just the fact he has trauma related to being denied his own interiority, fullness, and freedoms, because he's Black, and in society, seen less human. Armand simply doesn't help his case by denying it, even if it were actually his truth that the photos weren't his doing. (Note; Armand has also faced horrific dehumanizing traumas, but in such a differing way I don't think he's able to empathize with the same way Louis been dehumanized in life. I argue a little if Louis is even able to do more than simply hold a lot of sympathy for Armand, as they really are not a lot alike in both their interior and exterior reality. I don't think that sympathy goes both ways often.)
The way he's also keeps behaving like the bigger person in this reinforces the belief Armand wants out of Louis, making him 'see' it, and probably also to Daniel as well who's definitely overhearing this (this particular part has a chance of being unintentional however, if he was only really intending to deescalate, but it still keeps the same effects).
Not only making Louis look like he's crazy to assume it, but denying he'd been doing anything wrong of the sort (by simply at no point coming forward and saying something reassuring of Louis reality along the lines of, 'I have been doing those things, it's just not this, and those weren't my intentions to hurt you with it, I'm sorry' or simply 'okay, I did it, sorry'). As well, it doesn't matter how much Armand's truthful, Louis is someone who necessarily does need reality checks like that, because he suffers from hallucinations, and as he's finding out, memory lapses, and not providing them will make him jump to presume it could be his own symptoms. Also, at one point in the argument, he actually throws out that Louis is insane, if it needed to be anymore obvious. Which is derogatory, if arguably true, though reinforces that Armand's behaviors to 'stop or aid his madness' in prior instances were all a-okay, and all necessary. There's nothing wrong with him, and what he's doing, its all Louis. (His intentions to deescalate, if anyone wants to take on that idea, would've changed by then. It reads as a pattern to me mimicking of the promises falling through.)
Anyway, I'd be saying in my interpretation that him willing to keep this up, even though the photos had nothing to do with it, just shows how much he'd actually use any situation that arises to manipulate/control Louis, and mess with Louis interview, as opposed to orchestrating or planning situations, so he can then also manipulate with it. With all intentions or not, it doesn't really matter. Which makes his manipulation more realistic, honestly. A better portrait of who Armand is tbh.
I don't claim this transcript as 100% accurate, but it's as close as I can get it:
L: Four Fred Steins in the album, four. You made me look foolish.Ā
A: You just assume it was me.Ā
L: Well, it wasnāt me.Ā
A: You sure about that?Ā
L: Excuse me?
A: I take it back.Ā
L: Take it way fucking back.Ā
A: It was probably an honest mistake from the staff.
L: You think I need to be coddled, hyped up, lied to?Ā
-cut-
A: Youāre being Lestat!Ā
L: Go call on him, see what happens.Ā
A: A little ridiculousā¦ It's the staff, dear.
L: Iām being ridiculous? You wanna see, you wanna see ridiculous?Ā
A: No, Louis, it was an honest mistake. You knew it.
L: AAAH
A: You werenāt here-Ā
L: LA LA LA LA
A: -And more and more of them-
L: LA LA
A: They got through!Ā
-flashbacks-
A: This isnāt about Lestat!Ā
-more flashback-
L: You lobbed at Daniel, and disrespected me.Ā
A: no no no no no no.
-flashback-
L: and over and over and over itās always the same damn thing.Ā
A: You trying to trick me?
L: I donāt know Iām just your God now. The abandonment, and arenāt we both cut throat?Ā
A: You wonāt believe me, when I was here. Iām the one who can see!Ā
L: Alright, first off, first off.Ā
A: You are insane!Ā
-fb-
L: You always do this! ā¦ Weāll be done with Daniel any day now. Now, knock it off. Its about the record, this is my interview. You hear me? The whole interview that will be heard by me.Ā
A: In a future that you wonāt see!
-fb-Ā
L: No more! Will you go to speak without asking first. No more! Will you ever flirt around on your years.Ā
A: Oh, come to Dubai, Louis says, but not me.Ā
-Then I canāt make out anything-
Sex and absolution I do agree with as well. Like they did do that. I don't think either were expecting it to go that way from the beginning, though, as in neither started or orchestrated a reason for argument just to have makeup sex. That being somewhat normal for them after a big argument like that would not surprise me however. A certain interpretation I take of them having sex after (given the argument) was more that (it seems to me) part of the accusations here is that Armand is 'flirting' to win over Daniel's favor, and trying to get with him? Maybe even back together with him? (Centered a lot around Armand telling him his little love story with Lestat.) If not, just turning him against him. So having sex could reinforce Armand had/has no intentions of leaving, further obstructions wrt Daniel, and/or infidelity. That it's 'me and you' and not 'you and him'. (Which could be the real lie depending on how you want to take it here lmao. And is so bound to fall through because... Armand doesn't keep his promises, not even to himself it seems since he turned Daniel).
Again all interpretations are just that, so long as it can be legitimately supported by the text, and isn't grossly insensitive. The Talamasca just adds to the whole scene to me more than it detracts from it. The outside world necessarily has influenced both of their inside worlds, and further how they interact with each other in both, and is the cause behind of a lot of their behaviors and reactions. Talamasca causing those to erupt sort of points to that. It's real. The whole narrative actually feels more concrete and like there's a world outside who can still influence them if they were the one's doing it. Sometimes I feel people want to center Louis a bit too much in the story, which is fair, it is his story, he has a narrative that should be centered, but it is also other people's story as well. They are playing roles here in it.
Also this is why I really wonder if they'd ever revisit this? I'm a little peeved about it being so hidden tbh. There seems like so much added context and we're denied most of it from the music and constant flashbacks. Fingers-crossed maybe Daniel was recording it? IDK.
#If this post is long it's because I got too into it#iwtv#interview with the vampire#There's so much going on in this argument I could make another whole post about it#little more in the tags I guess#If both of them are telling their truth Armand still is the one who owes Louis assurance of his reality because he's the one#being accused of nefariously trying to manipulate Louis and his interview. And denying the photos denies the entire reality of things Louis#sees as being manipulative to him and the interview.#basically he has far too much evidence stacked against him to be denying what Louis especially of what he is seeing#As it doesn't ever acknowledge Louis is the wounded party here who also has certain support needs. And not support needs in the way Armand#seems to 'think' he needs thus sewing doubt that he is 'worse off'. Making his symptoms looks worse than they are. Hence gaslighting.#He's doing it the whole time not just the photos so it... doesn't matter who planted them.#Note as well like Louis has A LOT to be triggered by for whenever Armand doesn't follow through on his promises considering how things#in Paris played out. said he wanted him -> gave him up#went to change Madeline -> didn't follow through#loumand#louis de pointe du lac#armand#amc iwtv#iwtv season 2
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āBut people have been shipping mlvn for nearly a decade now, they wouldnāt just sweep it under the rug/recontextualize them as something entirely non-romantic from the beginningā friend I hate to tell you this but: the show and narrative is not subject to the time investment you put into it (or your initial perceptions) just because it took longer to make than expected.
They canāt do xyz because itās been too long is literally the full embodiment of the sunk cost fallacyāespecially given that (when you consider the time frame the show is actually presenting us with) mlvn have only known each other 3 years total at this point in the story and have been on nothing but the rocks after (at absolute maximum) 15 months together (snowball - S4, half of which was long distance and none of which weāve seen portrayed 100% positively).
Likeā¦if you think the romantic aspect was 100% genuine I canāt stop you yet, but time investment by yourself or the causal audience in understanding something a certain way isnāt any reason at all to keep your understanding of the context in mind. Itās basic media literacy to understand that new seasons provide new context for interpreting previous eventsā¦which everyone understands about things like the demogorgon / mindflayer / 001 + Henry + Vecna, but somehow miss because of an old attachment to mlvn. Time and new seasons change the meaning AND context of seasons pastāno matter how attached you are to a certain interpretation that might have held up when we all had less information.
Basically: pretending like it taking 8+ years to get the story out is a reason to accommodate the GA (or anyone) liking a āMike absolutely had romantic feelings for El and they should respect that because its been a long time for meā interpretation is nonsensicalāand they already said they arenāt writing to pander to fan desires (aka you thinking mlvn should have been handled differently) for S5 too.
Just. You know. For the mlvns people who seem to think time their investment in a certain ship will or should have any baring on the outcome of the story LMAO
#byler#anti mlvn#like listen. headcanon what you want. I cannot stop you and wonāt try. fanon is fanon for a reason!#but acting like the duffers wonāt āentirely undermineā romantic mlvn by confirming mike doesnāt like girls at all#or even that el never really loved mike either#solely because āitās been 8 years / the first two seasons seemed real?ā LMFAO
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hot take, mike and el arent in love, because they are fourteen
well i guess mike is fifteen but still like as someone who has been fourteen/fifteen
GUESS WHO I WAS NOT DATING:
A. THE LOVE OF MY LIFE
B. MY FUTURE SIGNIFICANT OTHER
C. ANYONE WHO I WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY "I LOVE YOU" TO AND ACTUALLY FUCKING MEAN IT
D. ALL OF THE ABOVE (the answer is D by the way)
LIKE Y'ALL THEY ARE FOURTEEN
THEY MET WHEN THEY WERE TWELVE
"I knew right then and there in that moment that I loved you" MY ASS
#byler#mike wheeler#like i truly need to stress this so much this is NOT mileven hate like this is putting any like feature or fact about their dynamic aside#they are children#and yes i know there are people who meet their partners when they're young kids childhood friends to lovers is a trope for a reason#but no one NO ONE (or at least statistically very few people cuz i know my ass was not)#is making for real love declarations at Fourteen (or Fifteen humor me)#and āoh rey then how can you ship lumax-ā LUMAX HASNT SAID I LOVE YOU YET#LUMAX IS THE MOST ACCURATE DEPICTION OF AN EARLY TEENAGE ROMANCE IN THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED SHOW BECAUSE THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS ARE SO AWKWARD#AND ITS ADORABLE#AND THATS IT#THEY HAVENT EVEN KISSED SINCE SEASON 2#YOU WANNA KNOW WHY??#BECAUSE THAT'S REALISTIC#BECAUSE THEY ARE KIDS AND KISSING IS GROSS#listen im not saying this with the intention that ohh kids are immature they dont know what true feelings are blah blah blah#kids have feelings no shit#but esPECIALLY when it comes to mileven it seems so goddamned performative#like it FEELS like they both just watched a bunch of romance movies and are now mimicking whatever they've seen the adults in those movies#(who are supposedly in love) do#like watch lucas's talk with max in the back of the like trailer thing where he tells her he wants her to stop pushing him away watch that#and then tell me mike's aMaZinG AnD drAmaTiC LOvE cONfESioN doesnt sound formulaic as fuck#like you wanna know how a teenager makes a love confession#they say smth emotionally vulnerable; want to die after saying the emotionally vulnerable thing; and then tell a shitty joke to salvage it#not āI don't know how to live without you. I feel like my life started that day we found you in the woodsā no fucking teenager says that#and that is why lumax is as mr mclaughlin said himself: āreal loveā#damn i kinda cooked with the tags on this one#(also fun fact i learned that tumblr has a tag limit by making this post which is why half of the tags are at the 140 character limit)
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had to stop halfway through the second voyager q episode but. why is q genuinely irritating now NOOOO
#its the sexism š#it really is as bad as people were saying it was#i think it couldve been funny if he wasn't constantly sexually harassing janeway#THEY COULD HAVE SUCH A GOOD DYNAMIC BUT STAR TREK CONSTANTLY DENIES ME A MALE/FEMALE RELATIONSHIP THAT ISNT ROMANTIC/SEXUAL :o[[[#i swear it wasnt nearly this uncomfortable with picard#at least we get to see the entire crew being protective of janeway its cute#especially chakotay :) hehe#i understand the chakotay janewayers (im only in season 3)#i got to see lady q's introduction though she seems cool#im just rambling at this point but im finally warming up to this show yay#chip speaks
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ichiro apparently
#vee queued to fill the void#the arb chronicles#no iām not getting over it just yet lmao#does that mean ichiro is under the impression samatoki is a cold blooded person to be wearing leather jackets no matter the season#which is why he put him back into outerwear in his high school au LOL#samatoki and ichiro split the entire school apart because of they disagreed about the correct way to eat eggs and LOL#iām glad some part of ichiroās subconscious acknowledges their beef was stupid in hindsight#whatās so funny about kuukou being ichiroās personal cheerleader and vocally so lol#is that when kuukou proclaimed as such ichiro got embarrassed like THATS YOUR OWN FANTASY ICHIRO??????#ichiro continues to be an embarrassment about harai kuukou more at the 6oclock hour lol#LOL nah i remembered thinking itās strange rosho seems to know about ichiro and kuukou so my instincts were right š¤
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