#fgo Saber wars

[ladyjuquia]

[OC X CANON CONTENT]

✩ Messages from the Stars ✩

Lancer-Class Servant: Space Juquia arrived in search for the original Tristan (accompanied by her Trischins, a species she created during the process to create her own Tristan and find the Original one)!

Art by @glacescup

Juquia is a rather weak Servant in terms of combat, but a very strong Support Unit, especially for Tristan (she turns him into a 6* wwww) - When she once encountered Danger, a certain Archer Servant saved her. Since that she became kind of obsessed with this one, that is Tristan! She is Lancer Class in hopes Tristan would be weak to her; it’s likely to assume she used to have a different class before. Juquia qualifies as Lancer with the replication of Tristan’s vacuum arrows she shoots like small daggers and her sending the Trischins to stab people. As you can see, she represents my Fangirl Side that goes absolutely head over heels for Tristan! But Space Juquia is even stronger in that by changing her hair colour to match Tristan’s and covering herself in Tristan related accessories. The Trischin's think they are the real deal even tho they are aware Juquia is searching for another one. So yes they are full dedicated and loving towards her, absolutely loyal and would do everything to see her happy. Space Juquia has also more ties with Space Bartholomew.

[viscontiapclyps]

[goldenwitchmami]

[kiwikipedia]

I genuinely think that Guda could survive in the SW universe but Anakin would not be able to handle any of the shit that happened in Fgo

[fgo-main-chapter-tournament]

Bonus Round IV! Servantverse Event Poll

[hasmephydoneanythingwrong]

Anyways, Space Mephistopheles deserves roller blades.

[kcciny]

Where is Lev

[satoshi-mochida]

Fate/EXTRA Record launches in 2025 for PS5, PS4, Switch, and PC - Gematsu

Fate/EXTRA Record will launch for PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Switch, and PC via Steam in 2025, publisher Bandai Namco and developers TYPE-MOON and TYPE-MOON studio BB announced.

Here is an overview of the game, via its official website:

About

The “Moon Holy Grail War” begins anew… The setting is a Spiritron virtual world called “SE.RA.PH.” built on the moon. Masters and Servants team up and fight for survival in pursuit of the “Holy Grail,” an omnipotent wish-granting device, in the Moon Holy Grail War which begins once again… This is a remake of Fate/EXTRA, the first Fate series RPG originally released on July 22, 2010, now revamped for modern hardware with an expanded scenario, refreshed character graphics, and dramatic command battles utilizing a highly strategic deck-building system.

Master and Servant

128 of the world’s top hackers, each capable of transforming their soul into Spiritrons, are selected as Masters to participate in the Holy Grail War. The Servants they form contracts with are the souls of legendary heroes and eminent figures from history, whose true names are concealed. These Servants are materialized as Spiritron life-forms and are assigned to one of seven classes, such as Saber or Archer. Through their shared struggle, where they entrust their souls to one another, their pasts and hidden desires intersect.

Staff

Original Story and Scenario: Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON

Original Character Concept: Takashi Takeuchi / TYPE-MOON

Planning and Direction: Kazuya Niino / TYPE-MOON studio BB

Character Design: Arco Wada

Watch a new trailer below.

FGO Fes. 2024 Trailer

[kob131]

So because people are apparently taking this image seriously-

1- It does happened every 40 or so years in the Fuyuki system. It's just that the Fourth Holy Grail War didn't end properly so the system restarted early.

2-The supposed 'variance' in the number of Servants is because the Fuyuki Grail is corrupted by a unique Servant that was summoned through breaking the rules of the system.

3- You DO summon historical figures like 80% of the time. 5% is summoning a guy to fill in for a mythical figure that never existed but is functionally that guy. 5% is summoning an idea in the form of a Servant that has impacted humanity. 5% is FGO fanservice bringing in characters from the franchise which doesn't happen anywhere else and the last 5% is just odd/comedy cases.

4- No, you summon Servants from the Throne of Heroes which records the deeds of notable actors in history then preserves their souls to be summoned as familiars. The thing is, the Throne of Heroes is outside of time so it can pull people from anywhere in time so long as they are recorded. You usually summon people with a catalyst so naturally people ASSUME it's just heroes from the past. Also humans in the modern era tend to lead such insignificant lives that almost no one gets recorded.

5-No, you get 3 Command Seals and that's it. The Church Overseer retrieves any unused Command Seals but is supposed to be a neutral party that doesn't use them. Kirei just breaks the rules cuz he's supposed to enforce them.

6- Motherfucker, did you not see Kirei command fucking CU CUTHULANN to kill himself? Those Command Seals DO command Servants. The are only a few cases of Servants ignoring those Command Spells. Saber did it once because she was THAT resistant to magic and couldn't resist TWO. And Berserker of Red did it because that's whole shtick. Anything else is working around loopholes and how you need to be VERY specific with your commands.

7-Not the actual Holy Grail and people just assume it's all powerful. It's got god-like power but even it can't, say, magically wipe all conflict from existence.

I though we all knew this was a joke but apparently I had to say all this.

[gae-bolg-alternative-dot-exe]

Unpopular fgo opinion but when people talk about just following the story online and not playing the game. They tend to always say skip all the event stories and that feels like really terrible advice to me. Summer events have some of the most fun found family dialogue and general intercharacter bonding. Events like Seraph and Imaginary Scramble are bountiful in lore content that could have been their very own dedicated story sections. Events like the tomoe/shuten tower, christmas in the underworld, christmas lucha rumble, gudaguda (pick a number), etc extend upon characters that otherwise have gotten the shortend of the stick in main storyline presence while also being more engaging than entire early game singularities and some lostbelts.

Some of the most humanizing and connecting stories for these servants are found in events. Sure you get some really bad story events like prillya, ooku, saber wars 1, etc but to skip every event story online because of bad apples seems bad faith to me. I feel most of us still interacting with the game are here for the writing and the story at this point. Why recommend other potential readers to miss out and deny well, more story lol.

You tell them to skip Agartha though. It's not an event but skipping Agartha is good and encouraged.

[cosmichorrorsarestillnicerthanme]

Nobunaga her Archer and Avenger versions from FGO with an S/O who was her master in a previous grail war who she meets again at Chaldea and he's become a rare modern day heroic spirit and a strong one at that.

I had a blast writing this, not to mention it helped to scratch the itch I had for the best war criminal.

NOW THEN! YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND!

“Heh, looks like you still have a bad habit of not expecting things to get in close to you. Then again… you are an archer, so I guess it can’t be helped.” a familiar voice muttered behind Nobu.

“It couldn’t be…” Nobu thought to herself in shock.

Then, the cuts ignited, engulfing the corrupted servant in a pillar of blood red flames.

“So… you became a heroic spirit didn’t you?” Nobu asked without even turning to face you, her fists clenched tight.

“Of course, after all, we both left quite a few things left unsaid to one another the last time we were together didn’t we?�� You responded quietly, the same sword at Nobu’s side in your own hand.

“You know that's not what I meant.” Nobu muttered through gritted teeth.

“I know, but the how can be saved for later.” You told the archer servant quietly as you returned your blade to its sheath.

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The atmosphere was tense as the group returned to Chaldea with Nobu glaring daggers at the newly summoned saber servant who held the same sword as her in their hands.

In an effort to break the ice, Guda decided to ask a question.

“Soooo… Saber, mind introducing yourself to the class?”

“Apologies Master, but only one person will ever get to know my true name, and she is rather greedy with it.” You responded as you walked beside the woman glaring daggers at you.

“Really? Mind if I ask who?” Mash innocently requested.

“I don’t think that's my place to say, but you probably know her, she has a wonderful larger than life personality that can get her into quite a bit of trouble which she’ll easily brush off, not to mention, she is quite attractive, and looks quite fetching in her uniform.” You responded cheerily, leaving a certain archer flabbergasted and, if one looked closely, blushing ever so slightly.

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After that, You and Nobu were inseparable and yet… no one knew why.

Nobu sitting directly next to you during lunch, as she drank tea, or addressed her retainers.

You sat directly next to her… any time she was sitting down.

It got to the point that, in lieu of your true name, you had been designated as “The Saber Of The Demon King”.

And it was a name Nobu had taken quite a liking to.

She was a rather possessive person after all.

And you being known by that name? It made her all giddy inside.

Now, if only they knew just who you were to her, that would make your name even better for her.

Still, she was going to wait to drop that bombshell, after all, she doubted that it would be good to give so many people a heart attack from shock.

Not to mention, she still had to figure out just what you were to her as well.

Master, comrade, partner, companion, and even… lover.

These were all words she could use to describe you and yet… none of them truly fit what the two of you were, falling short by the distance of entire planets.

Oh well, the both of you had plenty of time to figure out just what the two of you were to one another.

After all, she was Oda Nobunaga, Demon King Of The Sixth Heaven, it can’t be helped that things tended to get a bit complicated when she was involved!

The flames of Honnoji engulfed her enemies in pillars of flames, burning them to less than ash in an instant.

Yet, she was not the one who burned them.

That honor belonged to her counterpart, a recently summoned Ruler who could always be found standing at the Demon King's side like a loyal blade.

No one knew exactly where this servant came from, there was no record of them in the stores of Chaldea and the Ruler refused to share their name, saying that a rather fiery conqueror had already taken sole ownership of it with a look of affection on their face that had caused a certain Avenger to chuckle with a similar look on her own.

There were theories of course, most of them centering around the two of you.

Some were reasonable like you being an existence similar to that of Nobukatsu except you were the flames of her noble phantasm made manifest.

Others were… not as reasonable, like the one that claimed you and her were Master and Servant from a grail war or something else that would require a summoning or that would allow an Avenger to properly incarnate in the real world even if only through sheer luck.

Alas… neither of you would ever give a straight answer, merely deflecting every question asked.

Nonetheless, if anyone was ever looking for one of you, they simply had to find the other part of the duo and low and behold that is where the person they were looking for would be.

Simply put, the two of you were inseparable.

And something told everyone in Chaldea both of you would have it no other way.

[viscontiapclyps]

Shh...

[nijigasakilove]

HOLY SHIT A1 YOU JUST SAVED MY LIFEEEE. My most anticipated anime release of the fucking year finally here and this first episode was incredible. So many references, lore, worldbuilding and then that amazing debut from Saber at the end. I’m mad af FGO spoiled his name for me, I like trying to figure out their true names on my own, but pure chills from that last 5 minutes or so with yet another Sawano masterclass.

I love how strange Fake is basically an amalgamation of Type-Moon lore. So much cool shit in this first episode. The Luvia, Reines and Tohsaka pictures in Waver’s office. Einzbern name drop, in n out canon to Type moon universe..ah this had it all, it was kind of overwhelming and my hype is hard to contain lol. I have no idea where this story is going to go and I love that because there’s endless possibilities in this world. Really curious to learn more about why the US is doing this holy grail war and the various ideologies involved. Looks like we got two competing groups of American mages.

Loving caster already, he and Francesca are so unhinged. Just a ton of different characters and archetypes in this which shouldn’t come as a surprise since it’s by the Durarara and Dead Mount Deathplay author. Hopefully he can balance everyone and give them some characterisation. Francesca in particular has a great design and seems to know a lot about Artoria and the other servants.. who could she be

Speaking of Artoria, we got her in 2024 updated A1 visuals and she looks fucking beautiful omg. Only a view from behind but man. It’s dope that Ayaka’s saber is an Artoria disciple and a huge stan like me lol. That Excalibur was so fucking fire, nothing as crazy as Gil vs Enkidu but I know the rest of the show is gonna be fire. Wonder how they’ll get out of being arrested?

Ending got me really hype too because it looks like we got executioners? Strange Fake world is unique since Dead apostles and heroic spirits both exist in this world so this is gonna be fun.

Release schedule is irregular but I’m ok with it as long as A1 keep cooking.

[corvidmasters]

i finished my first run of FSR. i love arjuna's depiction so god damn much. spoilers under the cut.

there's no karna. he is karnaless throughout the entire story. he isn't even mentioned in arjuna's fully unlocked biography. rather what's mentioned is the fact that he's from an era of war and that he was rewarded gandiva through his own achievements.

the first time you meet him he fights you because he thinks iori and saber are responsible for the attacks on kanagawa port. he's trying to do the right thing and protect the people of the land he's anchored to, in classic arjuna fashion. when he admitted he rushed to conclusions about iori & saber i immediately thought of orion's observation in aeaea and laughed. truly a man who thinks he has everything under control but he actually throws gasoline on the fire and he doesn't even realize he's doing it.

but he's not just kind and gentle and perfect and putting on his distant polite prince facade. he gets to have fun! he gets to fight iori, he calls iori his one and only friend in the world after their second battle, he says he likes to hang out with iori and saber with the sweetest laugh when you unlock enough of his skill tree.

he even feels like one of the more important rogues. if you recapture kanagawa port during the final battle he goes so far as to free the surrounding spirit fonts from enemy control as thanks, then tells iori to push on with a smile, this will be his final battle, good luck.

compared to all his story content in fgo, it doesn't seem like much. but i'm happy.

also all of his attacks are pretty and elegant and there was a certain power i felt having him stop enemies before they could hurt iori with a big attack. and i got to pashupata gil's ass into oblivion.

[julio-claudian-saberface]

My mental image of Fateverse Pat Garrett is inexorably influenced by the period of time where I thought he was the redheaded star girl at the end of Saber Wars:

(from "[FGO] Who is the Female Gunman from Saber Wars 2?")

(the answer is Belle Starr btw)

So in Chaldea Sitcom Land, headcanon Pat is more like Billy's long-suffering guidance counselor than his friend, forever scolding him about the Consequences of his Actions, and is one of the few people that can actually make Billy feel contrite about anything. Even if he's ladyfied he's still his historical height of 6'5" and can pick up 5'2" Billy by the scruff of the neck like a misbehaving puppy.

Crank up the angst'n'edge-o-meter a couple notches and Billy's like "You know, I don't hold it against you that you shot me :) Or that you shot my buddies :) I did what I felt I had to do and you did what you felt you had to do :) No hard feelings :)"

And Pat's like "Yes. YES hard feelings. Even if I didn't have any reason to be mad at you before, you murdered two deputies when you broke out of my jail."

And Billy's like "Well Bob Olinger had it coming :)"

And Pat's like "Well maybe Olinger did have it coming. BUT STILL you also killed the other guy."

And Billy's like "Yeah and I'm sorry I had to do that :( but honestly you were gonna hang me by the neck until I was dead so I was a mite desperate :)"

And Pat's like "You wouldn't have been in a situation where you were being hanged by the neck until dead if you hadn't MURDERED ANYONE."

And Billy's like "Well everyone was murdering everyone back then :) And they started it :)"

And Pat's like "Look maybe sometimes the legal system is messed-up and corrupt but we still need to have the rule of law in society or we won't have anything but an anarchic revenge-killing clusterfuck!"

And Billy's like "Let's agree to disagree :)" and Pat's like ARGLLBAHRGL and grabs him and shakes him like a maraca.

[derekscorner]

Fated Rantings: Ground Zero

I finished Fate Zero

And what a ride that was. I don't even know where to start with all of this which shocks me because I went in knowing things would go to hell.

I started my whole Fate journey due to lore videos, curiosity and FGO so (just like the 2006 Fate Stay Night) I had a full grasp of what would happen. To be shocked anyway just goes to show that the cast and their dialogues sell this story.

There's a stark difference between hearing plot points and watching Gilgamesh slowly poke at Kirei's mentality. There's a difference between knowing that Blue Beard is summoned by a serial killer and seeing them discuss the nature of God.

And there's one hell of a difference between seeing memes of Iskander & Waver and seeing what is possibly the best bromance within Type-Moon.

I went into this expecting Saber to be a bit too idealistic and for Kiritsugu to be a badass only to leave it finding Kiritsugu the least interesting compared to everyone else.

Magus Killer Indeed

Now, I do not say that to imply that he lacks depth himself. Kiritsugu is unique in how he operates within his magic world and you're not supposed to view him as idealistically as Irisviel or Shirou do, he's a flawed man with a very fucked up history.

This man, like Shirou, wanted to be a hero of justice as a child. An innocent enough desire but one that was both never tempered in realism and was shattered by realism.

What I mean by that is that Kiritsugu is plagued by a paradox. Yes, the village being turned into ghouls and murdered was bad. Yes, Kiritsugu killing his own father because he felt that "he had too" is a very dark sign of his mentality even as a child.

But these things haunt him, they do not drive him. What drives him is his desire to be that hero. When his world is shattered he takes a dark approach to kill the few to save the many.

It's that pursuit that eventually shatters his goal with the realism of humanity. You can never truly save everyone, other humans will always ruin it.

But the realism that pushes him to try anyway is the grail. In this world the wish granter is real, tangible, thus the paradox. He fully believes the goal shattered by realism can be salvaged by the realism of the grail's existence.

He's usually so pessimistic and realistic in his approaches to the war and battles that it's almost jarring to see his character break once he learns that the grail can't just do anything. You can see that last bit of idealism in his soul die.

Worse, the grail taunts him. It can only grant a wish that a human themselves can understand. As an example;

you can't ask for fire if you do not know how fire operates.

Thus the grail shows him a way to grant his wish but that wish grants nothing. This is very crucial to his breakdown because the grail showed him in the purest terms that;

This is your way of saving others but ultimately it saves no one

That's the point of the boat example. No matter how many you sacrifice for the whole, the survives will further fracture. There will always be a minority and a majority, Kiritsugu's life was essentially pointless in the larger picture.

Now, it'd be too cruel to say his life had no meaning at all. He was willing to sacrifice his mother figure and mentor to stop an undead outbreak. He killed his father because he felt responsible for his actions and Shirley's death.

He had to have done some good, it just wasn't in the way he had hoped. The greatest tragedy here is possibly that he's unable to see it.

We the audience see it in those rare moments of him being a father to his daughter, to Shirou, or a husband to Irisviel. People were drawn to him and loved him and if he had stopped his pursuits for them he may have found a happier ending.

True Emptiness

Then there's this true demon of a man. For all the talk, the praise of their battle, and Kiritsugu's own foreshadowing, I expected a deeper connection between the two.

It's strange, you can't just bring up Kiritsugu's flawed mentality without mentioning Kirei's yet the two only physically met one time. It's fascinating because I expected a bigger grudge or more plot relevance to their dynamic.

Yet, at the same time, their lack of interaction makes the eventual fight more interesting because of where Kirei starts and where he ends.

Intriguingly, Kiritsugu pegs Kirei near instantly. He only had a mug shot and some info on his life but he could instantly tell that there was something very wrong with Kirei. He sensed the lack of love and emptiness and feared him the most.

In contrast, Kirei didn't know Kiritsugu as well as he believed. Half of his emotional journey is realizing that they're not as alike as he thought.

This is best shown in his battle with Irisviel and Maya. He assumes Kiritsugu sent them there to battle him and he can't comprehend it when that's not the case. In his mind he is fully incapable of understanding why those two women would choose to face him.

He can't comprehend the illogical actions love will drive one too.

That said, the far more interesting dynamic in Kirei's life is Gilgamesh. While Kirei fails in his assumption of Kiritsugu and lacks a full understanding of himself it is Gilgamesh who sees through Kirei instantly.

Their talks are some of the most interesting parts in the story because you can tell Gilgamesh is trying to make him realize his own nature. Gilgamesh has no grand reason for doing so, he's just bored.

For all the dorky shit Gilgamesh does, for all the moments of him being oddly good with kids, or a good king (in FGO) you can't forget that Gilgamesh defies morality. He's not above it he just does not consider it.

He seeks entertainment and Kirei is the most interesting thing there. A full grown man unable to feel yet subconsciously seeking too. The answer is always on the tip of Kirei's tongue. (he's in self denial)

It's truly fascinating to watch it unfold. This ancient demigod taking a mentorship-like role just so he can see what Kirei will do.

It's due to these talks of introspection and Kirei's other actions that I find it hard to see the duality of he and Kiritsugu. What ultimately awakens Kirei's understanding is watching Kariya's suffering.

Gilgamesh may point it out but that's moot. It's Kariya's motives that catch Kirei's attention most, it's the drama with Tokiomi that fascinates him, it's saving Kariya and using him later that makes it click for Kirei internally.

You could possibly argue the whole thing is Tokiomi's fault. He gave his daughter to the Matous and even if he was unaware of the torture she'd endure for years that- no wait.

He possibly went wrong the moment he schemed with the church. Watching the Tohsaka's and Kariya play out their drama awoke the monster that is Kirei but it was Tokiomi's fault Kirei was there at all.

It was also Tokiomi that summoned Gilgamesh....hmm there's a lot more to ponder there I guess but let's move on.

I can only praise the depiction of Kirei's awakening so far before it seems like I like his character or adore it. It's fascinating to watch but he's still a monster that shouldn't be walking among men.

The Best Fate Bro to ever live

I wanted to use the last section of this to talk about the best fucking boy. I do not care what anyone tells you, Iskandar is the best bro in the Fate universe.

The very first thing this man does upon being summoned is find a map. With the enthusiasm of a child he admires it looking for where his kingdom is now and seeing the world mapped out in whole.

There's something that is just genuinely pure about Iskandar in Fate/Zero. No heroic spirit is without questionable actions in the modern lens but this story does a good job of blending that by explaining Iskandar's motives.

He has a genuine love of seeing new things. That joy is so pure that his wish for the grail is to be reincarnated so that he can begin his conqueroring anew. I have no earthly clue how he thinks he'll be able to do that in a normal mortal body but no matter because I doubt he's thought that far ahead himself.

His patience in dealing with a prideful child is also second to none. His words are often full of small wisdom to the point I did not keep count of them all nor could I explore it all. He's always pushing his master to try new things and it takes root overtime.

It is very easy to see how Waver could become the popular Lord El-Melloi II in other materials. It all began here, regardless of timelines, there's usually a Waver that fought in the 4th Grail War with Iskander.

I'm not even sure what to write about Waver himself because so much of what made the impression was seeing him slowly changing due to Iskandar's influence.

In a mage society that belittles him for being "new blood" it is Iskandar that continually tries to open his eyes. That's highlighted best when Waver tracks down Caster easily using simpler methods due to his magical limitations.

He views it as bad but Iskandar makes a good point. To do something in a simpler yet equally relevant way (perhaps even better) is a talent worthy of praise. Waver doesn't recognize his own ingenuity nor does he realize that there's merit in someone who can think around their limitations.

It's the core of their dynamic and that moment when Waver goes from being his master mage to his subject is beautiful. That strong loyalty born over the story even saves Waver's life.

Gilgamesh spares him based on that undying loyalty alone. A far cry from where Waver starts.

Kingly Mentality

Before I lose myself in the praise I should point out that Iskandar is no fool. Yes, he rarely plans in Fate Zero and his pure love for the new and patience shapes his bond with his mage.

However, do not mistake that pureness for a simpleton. Iskander is simply straightforward to a fault. His greatest characteristic is that friendly straightforward nature he has.

He's the one servant that repeatedly stops to talk to the others, he's able to get them to talk when they normally wouldn't, and even when he expresses desire to take them into his army those present do not get that offended.

Gilgamesh, the king of arrogance, even begins to shrug this off. On some level he respects Iskandar's nature because he is true to himself.

Still, some do think his attitude toward Saber is bad in regards to the banquet of kings. Now this is tumblr which is bad for seeing what isn't there to begin with or it's twitter which has lost it's critical thinking skills long ago.

What do I mean by this? Simple, while Iskandar and Gilgamesh disagree they at least respect each other as kings. Similarly they disrespect Artoria as king but for differing reasons.

To Iskandar a king is someone who stands above men as a symbol of their ideals. Something to follow, a larger than life person to show them the way.

What lost Iskandar's respect for Artoria's kingship was her wish. Her desire to undo it all, even if for good reasons, is an insult to Iskandar. No matter how tragic he would not change one moment of his life because that would affect everyone that fought for him and with him.

He sees Artoria as a slave of her people and the ideals she was raised on rather than a king that's truly led and valued her men. It is here that some have issues.

We'll argue King Arthur another time, what's relevant is why Iskandar views it. The tragic thing being that he is not entirely wrong.

Artoria was raised to be a king, she was conceived in convoluted magic ways to be England's king, so when he says that he only "sees a girl who could not chase butterflies or fall in love" he is entirely correct.

I do not say that dismissing her choices mind you but she did sacrifice that normalcy regardless. Iskandar, as we've covered, enjoys life at it's core.

So what he sees in Saber is a girl who was denied life. She could not truly enjoy it which disconnected her from her people. He views it as sad and states that one reason for recruiting her into his army is to show her otherwise.

Now as to whether he could have is another topic entirely. What's important is that he can't respect her as a king because he sees a martyr not a king.

The Fate Route of the FSN justifies his views to an extent because Saber eventually finds some things she denied herself in Shirou. She ultimately just needed a chance to be a person and Iskandar wanted to help her do so.

There are some faults in his thinking, yes, but his intentions aren't negative nor his his disrespect of her kingship based on sex. He fully respected Saber as a king until he learned her wish.

Even after he respected her as a warrior and wanted to see her enjoy life...and cut down his enemies BUT STILL.

Conclusion?

Already? So abruptly? Kinda. This got too big to fit into one post and there's a lot I can't find a way to organically work in.

Such as Tokiomi's dumb ass making Kirei Rin's guardian when his wife is perfectly healthy and alive when he writes that will.

Or how Gilgamesh views Saber just as objectively and disrespectfully as you'd expect. His take on her kingship and sex is completely negative and objectifying, a contrast to Iskandar.

Hell the whole mutual respect and differences between Gilgamesh and Iskandar.

I also didn't get to the odd but unnervingly deep take on God between two mass murderers. (Caster & Ryuunosuke)

I definitely don't have it in me to cover Kiritsugu's family. Illyasviel is more of a FSN topic and Irisviel is hard for me to quantify. Her love for her husband and of the small things he showed her was beautiful though.

Oh well, ONTO PART TWO: https://derekscorner.tumblr.com/post/737301977761005569/fated-rantings-seiba-pt-2#notes

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