#ff 16 spoilers

[a-s-t-a-r-i-o-n]

[bread--hood]

*whispers* ... hot damn ...

[sevi007]

SPOILER FOR FF16 RISING TIDE

WIP! Cuz I think he should have gotten to hold bebe Waljas longer (and proper. Clive you should KNOW you gotta support the head!)

I'm still debating whether to go for a more painterly approach (no lineart) or more semi-realistic

[felrend]

Fire boi unlocked

[braveryhearted]

Meanwhile Clive meeting Gortash be like:

[devotionbled]

soz to be a Jote liker and someone who's super into reading between the lines, being delulu, and being unable to articulate thoughts, but I keep thinking about that line from Joshua between doing my studies and ~graphic design~ for my main day job.

"Without her sword, I would not have survived my journey across the realm."

It makes me wonder how terrifying Jote actually is in the context of her own narrative and what we never got to see. Yes, she isn't an eikon, but she sure is lethal in her own human, mortal way. She was travelling with him for a long time. There must've been plenty of training in the blade beforehand. It makes me wonder how young she started her journey in wielding steel. She didn't have a childhood in my hcs; it was drenched in teachings in worship, the soil and murder. And I do like to play into the Tonberry thing, just a little, but that's a story for another time. I like that destruction is in her wake, like a tonberry--but that's something I'll discuss later and more of a crack thing that I won't touch, that and that she is a character with many blades hidden on her person. So if you asked her to strip herself of weapons, there'd probably be about 12 taken off her--

Anyways, I'm rambling. She was a child soldier. That is my headcanon and it does make it a little more tragic. And there was a recent revelation in the book. She is a bearer, unbranded. This is crucial information that was robbed in-game. It explains a lot. I like the idea that... she was taught to murder in several hundred ways, to be lethal--to learn the properties of herbs, to poison and bring the sick back to wellness--so she didn't have to call upon her own gifts. Also, Joshua forbidding her from a young age to use those gifts because hello?? Being petrified is a fate no one should go through. Anywayyys... Murder. Weapon. This sums up my Jote. I can't think but I'll touch upon this later.

This brings me to another thought for the Jills out there. Jote and Jill training, teaching each other tricks in blades. Also. For the Cliveys. Sparring session between our muses please? It's on my wishlist.

[tricksheart]

Rough Draft of Akira's Final Fantasy 16 verse.

Mostly isekai'd / transported into the world, as in his magic doesn't have cost issues except for like getting a good nights rest. His age is between 18-19 and is after the Strikers sequel. He wears his phantom thief attire but sometimes doesn't have his overcoat on himself due to the clothing being somewhat an obstacle because it keeps getting caught on stuff.

Goes by the name Arsene, as this name is more in line with the world of Final Fantasy 16's setting. Can use the jump command despite not being a Dragoon class. Uses mostly knives as his melee weapon but can and will use his magic-like gun to defeat monsters and the like. The other weapon does raise some eyebrows but most are wanting to free the realm, too busy to really question it. Curse magic is his main ability but is shown to use other elements to his advantage.

Sometimes is the Dominant of Alexander, transforming into a living breathing castle and is good at being the ultimate defense. Not tied to an element and doesn't even have the penalty effects of normal Dominats. But does suffer from the ability to go back to his home world if he uses it for too long. Only uses the form sparingly.

If he's not a Dominant, then he has full access to his personas but still needs to level up to use the more powerful ones. He has to explain that no, these are not Eikons but demons / shadows that come from mankind, not from some god or otherworldly presence.

Joins the party and resistance before the battle of Drake's Head. No one really questions his existence and his quick thinking makes him tell everyone that he crossed from the seas beyond the continent like their leader Cid had done previously. Constantly wears a permanent smirk on his face, causing others to comment on how there is a guy smirking ( him ) and a guy scowling ( Clive ).

People that are warm to him right away are Jill, Gav and Cid. Clive takes a few months to come around but is appreciated of Akira's sometimes somber silence and quick wit with strategy, which is valuable all around, even in the battle field. Akira also quotes words and actions from the play Clive likes, taking the field as Mordu ( sp? ) and makes a really good villain. He quickly tries to know as much about this world as he can and is usually found near Harpocrates's location in the hideaway. Akira is still a huge charmer, even in this world. Too bad most of them are looking at Clive and his outfit.

What happens to him during the end game is purely speculation but he mostly makes it back home, despite all the connections he made in this world.

[kihel-sorcas]

Me, squinting at the absolute nuclear havoc Ultima does to Twinside when creating Origin.

Also me: totally survivable. Terence and Kihel are fine.

[ofdraiocht]

i just did gav's sidequest

aside from yelling at my tv about how the "silver'' chocobo's are the same damn color as ambrosia, it was also really sweet and sad and guuuh

[colorisbyshe]

God bless. Fxvi has, in my opinion, the worst writing in the the series. There's just not one thing they didn't fumble.

I'm literally gobsmacked by how bad it is.

First warning, not counting the pre-release interviews which were awful, was Torgal The Wolf just... showing up 13 years later with Cid. So much handwavey logic goes into... a dog reappearing over a decade later.

And yet... that's a high point for the game so far.

Clive is such a blankslate protagonist--he feels like a knock off as Cloud but... with worst angst to work with.

The plot right now is about "atonement" but... the things Clive and Jill have to atone for are ???? Jill was literally forced to kill people and Clive... thinks he was possessed... by what kidn of seems to be an alien (??) and killed... everyone to ever exist. Like, babes, if you want a compelling narrative about owning up to the awful things you have done... this is such a weird basis to do that??

I know things Might be Revealed later on that can make this make more sense but I'm just........

What emotional investment am I meant to have with this?? Also, why did they start Jill and Clive's story with her as like... a 13 year old? I know he didn't see her that way then but still???

The only thing (plot wise) I have enjoyed is when the game randomly decided to make Clive naked and crying while Cid went "Babes, you're not my type." Fuckingn weird but at least it was fun yaoibait.

I am aghast rn

I literally cant get the shot of dead Benadikta out of my head... the rveal that she, too, was effectively a slave... just to pan in on a pendant left right above her boobs... and that's the last we see of her

I??????????

I???????????

WHO DID THIS

[coffeestainedcamera]

Final Fantasy 16 Fire and Ice chapter spoilers under cut!

Clive being willing to go into a volcano with a major magic contamination problem if it's for Jill's sake is so important to me. He just asks for the logistics info and grabs his sword! Truly a ride-or-sod-off moment! Also, hm, wonder if Torgal is special in some way, considering that he can enter the contaminated zones without becoming a zombie.

Also, Jill's VA did a nice job with her escalation into screaming rage at the iron priest. It's a bit chilling just because she's a very quiet character who has previously mostly taken an even tone, but you get where she's coming from. Guy fucked up her life and held a ton of people's lives over her head, so yeah, screaming rage is very appropriate!

Also, no one dissuades her from revenge. That's pretty neat and makes thematic sense!

[dreamroot-67]

I’m not enjoying my fantasy

Final Fantasy XVI ; Ending scene Clive & Jill

[bread--hood]

Joshua Rosfield

[lockescoles]

JOSHUA ROSFIELD + HUGS

[materia-bb]

[braveryhearted]

Haseo and Clive Rosfield, somewhat of a character analysis.

Playing Dot Hack GU again this month and then getting my hands on Final Fantasy 16, I can really see the parallels with Haseo and Clive as protagonists.

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They both seek revenge on a person they think killed / put into a coma someone they are close to on a personal level ( Shino and Joshua ).

Both are very trusting and somewhat naïve before being backstabbed by those they had trusted. ( the players helping the newbie Haseo aka PKing him and Anabella's whole thing with Clive and his family ).

Are saved by a guy with powers, joins their cause and is also important to the plot. ( Ovan aka Corbenik ( Yata, Kuhn and Pi can also fit here although they more likely force their hand at Haseo than anything else ) and Cidolfus aka Ramuh ).

Both are part of the special units in game and participate in giant monster-like battles in certain parts. ( Epitaph User Skeith and Dominat of Fire Ifrit ).

Have to face their past and accept the truth ( Haseo's whole inner conversation with Skeith and Clive's inner battle with the shadow Ifrit ) and become into their own.

Hell bent on seeking revenge and doesn't care what it takes to get that job done, willing to do anything, even sometimes at the expense of others. Grows out of it during the events of the game and starts to cherish those who they have met throughout the story and become better people because of it.

Both had killed or in Haseo's case PPK'd many people to find leads or survived to get to their goal but also had saved a lot by taking out those who seek to harm innocent people. Are very morally gray in terms of typical protagonists.

Have facial tattoos ( while Haseo's is purely cosmetic this isn't the case for Clive but they both have this for a unique design) and can ride bikes / chocobos in the open fields, deserts, marshlands, etc.

Get physically / emotionally injured by other in games antagonists but somehow are allowed to live. Actually loses some fights with big loss outcomes but then picks themselves up and finally wins over the other.

Has a character that wants them to kill the other for a certain purpose and talks with grandiose or nonsensical rhetoric. ( Ovan and Barnabas Thamir ).

Both main romantic ships has them being involved with another powerful character important to the story ( Haseo with Atoli / Innis ( who he can marry in game ) and Clive with Jill / Shiva ( that have a certain intimate moment on a beach hehehe) ).

Have connections to flowers and what they symbolize to people most precious to them. ( Haseo with Honeysuckles and Clive with Cosmos / Daisies ).

Their outfits and looks change throughout the game and are quite 'edgy' in appearance. ( although Haseo goes through it because his job class allows this to happen ). They both have a black and red color scheme.

Saves the world due to an outwards threat and deals with anomalies destroying the structures and peace of the realm ( Haseo with Cubia / Aida / Cernunnos and Clive with the mothercrystals and Ultima ). Also has gods / goddesses and politics ( even though Haseo's politics aren't that important to the overall story ).

Has antagonists that eventually join their side ( Haseo with Endrance and Clive with Dion ) and loses party members ( Haseo with Alkaid and Clive with Cidolfus ) vowing revenge on who was responsible for it.

Both get new hub-worlds ( Haseo does this four times while Clive only does this once ) with upgraded abilities and places to explore and have animal mascots ( Haseo with Death Grunty and Clive with Torgal ).

Have to look into themselves to summon their powers / and or give themselves a pep talk to draw out their potential to help defeat whoever they are facing. ( Haseo saying 'I'm right here Skeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiittttthhh! and Clive saying / paraphrasing 'Come on. I need it again. To summon Ifrit' ).

Gameplay is somewhat similar too. With the jokes about Square ripping off Bandai Namco, which is also the maker of Dot Hack as a whole, I can see the comparison clear as day.

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In all, I think I like Clive as a protagonist is that he shares a lot in common with Haseo. Both their character growth is great. While Haseo takes more time to melt than Clive, they really are amazing protagonists that have more of a moral gray background than others in the RPG genre.

If someone has more examples, feel free to contact me to edit this post. Okay to reblog from me, just be kind about it. Oh if you haven't yet, I suggest playing Dot Hack GU, you won't regret it. Thank you for reading. <3