#fandom drama bullshit

[redshiftsinger]

Learn to deal with your feelings without equating it to Systemic Oppression when you aren't happy.

'they killed off a protagonist' no they didn't

'they killed off one of the only characters in the show that's played by a queer actor' not really

'well they killed off the only character in the show that's played by an actor that's vocal about queer rights' 1. no 2. please don't say shit like this when vico ortiz is right there 3. no again

'they fridged him' nope

'they only killed him for ed's development' also nope

'they caved to anti pressure' lmao

'they buried their gays' 1. [hot fuzz voice] just the one gay actually 2. that's not what that means

'this is ableist' it's not

'this is homophobic' it's not that either

[eilraee]

I think forgetting about dream studio in the second film was a mistake. It has so much potential!

[patheticblorbloscholar]

Not even a little bit interested in getting into a shipping war because Buck is happy. He is getting a chance that Dean Winchester never got.

[remigoesinsane]

Crazy thought, it's almost like the nevercord mods have never heard of this

[frostycatblr-fandom-files]

Open letter to the chucklehead anon going around harassing people,

You need to take a breather and work on your emotional maturity before you start interacting with fandom spaces.

"Wildly inappropriate" doesn't begin to cover your behavior over these past few days, but it's a good start.

It was bad enough that you made a fatphobic fool of yourself not once, but twice in @/mire-draws-things askbox. When things didn't pan out the way you hoped, you tried the old "I'm neurodivergent and a minor!" spell in hopes of turning people into bullies. (No; not how that works.)

You have since made it infinitely worse for yourself by showing up in the asks of blogs like @/kimiheartblade, @/wings-and-beskar, @/moonlightwarriorqueen since then, doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on your absurdity and a warped sense of "canon compliance". Several blogs you have interacted with are run by adults, who regularly/often post and share adult content. If you are a minor, you should not be interacting with them. Go find other blogs who are not 18+, and share your view of canon compliance ((likely) whitewashed to hell and dangerously underweight).

Additionally, your neurodivergence does not absolve or otherwise excuse you from the consequences of your behavior. If you behave like a shitty person, chances are people are going to tell you you're being a shitty person.

As a neurodivergent adult, I'm going to give you some very blunt advice that I wish I was given as a neurodivergent minor who was getting their feet wet in fandom spaces: You need to learn when you're wrong. You need to learn that fighting tooth and nail like this, trying to "prove" your point, is a waste of breath. What you are doing is only to your detriment. You are not doing yourself any favors. You are going to come across artwork, headcanons and stories that you do not jive with: it is an inevitability. So instead of making yourself look like an ass by arguing (or sending hate), you will need to walk the hell away. You can even block or mute them for good measure.

At the end of the day it is you and you alone that will be responsible for curating your fandom experience.

Someone's Clone OC having a bit of a belly is not "subjecting people to a fetish". It is not "making them unrecognizable" either, if you could still tell he was supposed to be a Clone.

Your victim card has been declined; it is time to log off.

[theheadlessphilosopher]

I really don’t understand why people hate Tommy so much? Like. It’s okay not to like the guy, but if you think he’s just a temporary love interest anyways then literally why do you care???

[redshiftsinger]

I'm convinced it's because they don't actually have a real stance other than "I'm upset by this and I want to punish it for upsetting me". They'll say anything they think will work to get people to agree that they've been personally victimized and that the thing is Bad for upsetting them.

i have such a weird time reading post s2 metas from izzy enjoyers who are still mad abt the season tho bc they are so clearly reading against the text that at times im convinced they HAVE to be aware of it (“the season isn’t a happy ending it’s a horror story waiting to happen”) but then other times they’re pulling scenes clips from the show as evidence for their takes (ed head butting stede in s4 when his brain is couscous and he can’t even talk is proof that he’s going to physically abuse stede) and i’m like, are you trying to convince me that this is the Correct Reading Of The Show? and do you think the Correct Reading is the same as the Intended Reading That The Writers Were Trying To Convey? or are you looking at this like we’re analyzing real people with free will who are capable of making their own autonomous decisions? or is it some other thing that makes this The Correct Way To Interpret OFMD?

bc a lot of these metas are like, Arguing A Point and i’m not sure what metric they’re using to judge themselves as Correct. like the “ed is a domestic abuser” interpretation: do they think that’s the story the writers intended to tell? or do they think that’s just the objective moral facts of ed’s actions????

that read is wild to me too bc if that IS what they think the writers were intentionally trying to do with ed idk why their criticism of s2 is “they killed ed’s abuse victim” and not “they wrote the indigenous lead in a romcom to be a domestic abuser which was like, really fucking racist of them” like they should’ve been angry at the writing in this show WAY before izzy was killed off but lol whateverrrr

[nikkoliferous]

This is the bully list after what happened to @abby118 . It comes from a famous Loki GIFS creator on tumblr who is also getting harassed & showed in the toxic behavior of this person behind these many alts accounts. Share it with everyone !!

lokilaufeysondiaries strangegodsloki queenofstarsign85 dreamingofimpalas hereitgoesagain067 buckybarnes-winters0ldier themoonsmaven nerdconpp crackships-r-us69 lokisimp89 lowkey-lokid souls-for-fandoms cassius-blackwood fandemoniumfantasies ladylovelyfan2014 lokismilkshake goddessofvictoryy

PSA for people being targeted by any or all of the above blogs.

personally, I am agnostic on the topic of preemptively blocking people (and sharing block lists, for that matter). I don't usually block people myself unless I'm getting directly harassed and they're becoming a distraction/it's the only way to get them out of my notes. with that being said, that's a personal choice of mine, and I fully support the rights of any blogger to block any other blogger for any (or even no) reason. nobody is entitled to read or interact with anybody else's blog.

this should also go without saying in this day and age, but I do not condone nor encourage anyone going to any of the above blogs to counter-bully them. do not spam their posts' notes, do not send them anon hate, so on and so forth. just block (or don't, if you prefer) and move on. not only for your own sake, but because from my limited direct interactions with/knowledge of a couple of them, it's clear that they crave the attention and it only feeds into their self-pitying view of themselves as the perpetual victim (despite them being the aggressors in each instance I've borne witness to). don't feed the trolls, etc etc.

stay safe out there and do what you need to do to take care of yourselves, loki fandom. 💚💛🖤

[silverdragonms]

Jeez, I'm not even as into LU as I used to be, but antis still exist? Especially for a ship that pre-dates LU in general. Why does ship-and-let-ship not exist everywhere?

Anyway, shipping drama is dumb and always will be dumb to me. If you don't like a ship, just block the tag. It is literally that easy.

[coffeebooh]

all this picture does to me when i look at it is reminding me what a great love triangle these 3 would have been

[redshiftsinger]

I think a lot of it was entrenched before s2 was even confirmed, let alone filmed or released, making it even more weird because at that point Izzy didn't have a queer realization story, wasn't disabled (ok you could make a bit of an argument about his toe but that was not true until the very end and also I never saw anyone going on about how he's such disabled rep until s2 so I know that wasn't a major fandom motivation for latching onto him) and hadn't come around to Stede's way of doing things. He spent the entirety of s1 being a truly horrid little rat bastard to everyone he interacted with -- at best, to those he was actively trying to collaborate with (like Spanish Jackie), a tolerable degree annoying to put up with for the sake of the shared goal. He was randomly both physically and verbally mean to his own underlings, lied and manipulated and was at least verbally rude to Ed constantly, and both encouraged and engaged in verbal and physical abuse toward Stede's crew. He then tried to kill Stede, threw a fit when the duel didn't go his way and he was held to the terms he himself chose to set, then betrayed Ed and put all of them in mortal danger by calling the cops, got put in charge of the crew BY said cops and treated them so horribly they were ready to mutiny in two days, then proceeded to verbally abuse and berate Ed for daring to try to change and find a healthier way to live that he liked better.

I want to be very clear that by no means am I talking about "everyone who likes Izzy" here, since some dipshits love to make that unreasonable assumption every time anyone criticizes ANY Izzy fans, but I honestly think a factor was that there are some people in the world who are just mean, nasty, manipulative, abusive little assholes, and who are actively invested in trying to keep as many people as possible from realizing how shitty they are. And I think some of them they saw their chance to play the victim with Izzy. He's just like them, in s1. A mean, nasty, manipulative, abusive little asshole. And they managed to spin enough meta to convince the gullible to join them in an echo-chamber pit, spread a bunch of shit about how "everyone" "harasses" Izzy fans so if you like Izzy at all you'd better block anyone who ever says anything critical on sight or you'll get doxxed and whatever else, probably fueling that by sending themselves fake anon hate and using sock accounts to pretend to be Izzy haters being horrible, and also definitely blowing ANY instance of someone Izzy-critical being so much as mildly rude in response to a frustrating interaction, let alone actually acting out of line, out of proportion as a huge victimization of Izzy fans, and amping it up for a fear tactic to create a walled garden of people willing to believe that Izzy's abusive behavior in s1 is somehow "romantic" and also willing to immediately cut off all contact with anyone who so much as suggests otherwise.

It's shockingly cultlike and it genuinely worries me for people's safety who are involved in "The Canyon". I'm not trying to be mean, honestly, I am deeply concerned. They're also annoying as fuck on a regular basis, but like, GUYS. Do you want snapewives? Because this is how you get snapewives.

The thing that still absolutely baffles me about that corner of the fandom that are utterly convinced Izzy is not just the main character but also a character he just never was in the show is, like...why Izzy?

Like, I actually like Izzy. I love Con O'Neill as an actor and the things this man says are so fucked up. He compells me. I like Izzy, I even enjoy his s2 arc overall (especially knowing how it ends).

But fanon Izzy over there is not my Izzy. It's just straight-up not the same guy.

So why did Izzy, of all characters, get this huge fan reaction? I literally can't think of many traits that Izzy actually has in canon that are unique to him.

Queer realization story? That's Stede's whole s1 plot.

Disabled? Izzy isn't even the only character with a wooden body part.

Initially reluctant to Stede's way of doing piracy but comes around due to the power of queer community? My man Black Pete is right there.

Even when I'm trying to be charitable, the only thing I can think of for why a portion latched onto Izzy and became so determined to create a whole new character there is because Izzy doesn't commit any of the "crimes" our actual main characters or the other characters he shares traits with do. He's White, he's comfortably masc in a way Stede and Lucius just aren't, he doesn't have a lisp like Pete. Even his queerness is honestly subtextual. So he becomes a very easy slate to fans to add traumatic backstories and sympathetic motivations that weren't in the show onto.

It's just...weird, but in a really predictable way, I think, that a portion of fandom imprinted on this guy.

[wickedrum]

This controversy over ownership is getting me pissed. Every gif, every picture we use is already stolen, property of Amazon. Characters property of Tolkien stolen every time we write fic. Actors faces 'desecrated' every time we make art. EVERY TIME. So we're ALL guilty. I don't see why people need to point fingers when we all take part EQUALLY in this 'sacrilege'. Mea culpa. I take part and I won't pretend that some usage is more acceptable than others.

People shouldn't be claiming they 'own' gifs and sign them. You don't own shit. Amazon does. They own every frame of 'your' gif. But then again I'm guilty of using faces and characters and I tend to sign those creations so I'm not going to shovel shit on someone else for how they use the material that doesn't belong to them. Is similar behaviour from everyone else too much to ask?

[sangcreole]

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[pinkyjulien]

Sometimes there's simply no such thing as being "neutral"

Everyone is allowed to hang out and befriend whoever they want; just as others are allowed to notice it and take their distances if needed

It's not even about ""choosing a side"", it's about reading the room, having critical thinking or realizing that things aren't always "personal beefs" - sometimes people are just assholes and shouldn't be comforted or encouraged in their behaviors; hell, if you're their friends, you should even call their bullshit out, that's what friends are supposed to do

and if you're too scared to call their bullshit out cause they might attack or bully you, well I don't think that "friendship" is worth it in the first place but y'know

[redshiftsinger]

GIRL (gn) come sit with me. Your friends suck and that's cult mentality you're describing, seriously. Not being allowed to have a little different take about fictional guys is not a good friendship.

Let 'em call you whatever. You know it's not true. The rest of the sane people know it's not true. Block 'em if they stir shit.

Yes, losing friends sucks! But it's better to get out of that kind of toxic circle based on callouts and us-vs-them all the time and find new friends who aren't constantly looking for excuses to bully each other.

I cant fucking take it anymore. I love Izzy all my friends love Izzy but I love the show too. I’m sick of being called an abuse apologist because I like Ed. I never shipped edizzy bc the interesting part is how unrequited Izzy’s feelings are. So he can pine for Ed and maybe someday realize his attempts to keep Ed are only hurting them both. Maybe find a new love. And okay he died and I was devastated but his speech was perfect. His apology. I loved it. He was wrong in season one everything he did was wrong. Ed deserved an apology. Now Con says that Ed and Izzy never had a romantic relationship and I feel vindicated. I was right. People tried to convince me otherwise but Ed was not attracted to Izzy. Now my friends are telling me that “not romantic” means “purely sexual” and for fucks sake ship whatever you want but don’t tell me the stuff you made up is canon. Izzy was never a sexual prospect for Ed or Stede. Steddyhands was never ever going to be endgame. I’m starting to lose friends because I don’t treat fic as canon. I feel insane I feel like I have to be wrong that the main romance is Ed and Stede because everyone around me insists Ed and Izzy were together.

My friends think I’m a traitor I don’t know what to do. I am sick of them complaining about “antis” and David Jenkins all day. I have to get out of here slowly and quietly so no one calls me out for being an abuse apologist, it’s so hurtful just because I like a fictional character I will be called an abuser and shunned.

#43.

[tranquil-slaughterhouse]