#equilibria

[mostlysignssomeportents]

How to design a tech regulation

TONIGHT (June 20) I'm live onstage in LOS ANGELES for a recording of the GO FACT YOURSELF podcast. TOMORROW (June 21) I'm doing an ONLINE READING for the LOCUS AWARDS at 16hPT. On SATURDAY (June 22) I'll be in OAKLAND, CA for a panel (13hPT) and a keynote (18hPT) at the LOCUS AWARDS.

It's not your imagination: tech really is underregulated. There are plenty of avoidable harms that tech visits upon the world, and while some of these harms are mere negligence, others are self-serving, creating shareholder value and widespread public destruction.

Making good tech policy is hard, but not because "tech moves too fast for regulation to keep up with," nor because "lawmakers are clueless about tech." There are plenty of fast-moving areas that lawmakers manage to stay abreast of (think of the rapid, global adoption of masking and social distancing rules in mid-2020). Likewise we generally manage to make good policy in areas that require highly specific technical knowledge (that's why it's noteworthy and awful when, say, people sicken from badly treated tapwater, even though water safety, toxicology and microbiology are highly technical areas outside the background of most elected officials).

That doesn't mean that technical rigor is irrelevant to making good policy. Well-run "expert agencies" include skilled practitioners on their payrolls – think here of large technical staff at the FTC, or the UK Competition and Markets Authority's best-in-the-world Digital Markets Unit:

https://pluralistic.net/2022/12/13/kitbashed/#app-store-tax

The job of government experts isn't just to research the correct answers. Even more important is experts' role in evaluating conflicting claims from interested parties. When administrative agencies make new rules, they have to collect public comments and counter-comments. The best agencies also hold hearings, and the very best go on "listening tours" where they invite the broad public to weigh in (the FTC has done an awful lot of these during Lina Khan's tenure, to its benefit, and it shows):

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2022/04/ftc-justice-department-listening-forum-firsthand-effects-mergers-acquisitions-health-care

But when an industry dwindles to a handful of companies, the resulting cartel finds it easy to converge on a single talking point and to maintain strict message discipline. This means that the evidentiary record is starved for disconfirming evidence that would give the agencies contrasting perspectives and context for making good policy.

Tech industry shills have a favorite tactic: whenever there's any proposal that would erode the industry's profits, self-serving experts shout that the rule is technically impossible and deride the proposer as "clueless."

This tactic works so well because the proposers sometimes are clueless. Take Europe's on-again/off-again "chat control" proposal to mandate spyware on every digital device that will screen everything you upload for child sex abuse material (CSAM, better known as "child pornography"). This proposal is profoundly dangerous, as it will weaken end-to-end encryption, the key to all secure and private digital communication:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/18/encryption-is-deeply-threatening-to-power-meredith-whittaker-of-messaging-app-signal

It's also an impossible-to-administer mess that incorrectly assumes that killing working encryption in the two mobile app stores run by the mobile duopoly will actually prevent bad actors from accessing private tools:

https://memex.craphound.com/2018/09/04/oh-for-fucks-sake-not-this-fucking-bullshit-again-cryptography-edition/

When technologists correctly point out the lack of rigor and catastrophic spillover effects from this kind of crackpot proposal, lawmakers stick their fingers in their ears and shout "NERD HARDER!"

https://memex.craphound.com/2018/01/12/nerd-harder-fbi-director-reiterates-faith-based-belief-in-working-crypto-that-he-can-break/

But this is only half the story. The other half is what happens when tech industry shills want to kill good policy proposals, which is the exact same thing that advocates say about bad ones. When lawmakers demand that tech companies respect our privacy rights – for example, by splitting social media or search off from commercial surveillance, the same people shout that this, too, is technologically impossible.

That's a lie, though. Facebook started out as the anti-surveillance alternative to Myspace. We know it's possible to operate Facebook without surveillance, because Facebook used to operate without surveillance:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3247362

Likewise, Brin and Page's original Pagerank paper, which described Google's architecture, insisted that search was incompatible with surveillance advertising, and Google established itself as a non-spying search tool:

http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/papers/google.pdf

Even weirder is what happens when there's a proposal to limit a tech company's power to invoke the government's powers to shut down competitors. Take Ethan Zuckerman's lawsuit to strip Facebook of the legal power to sue people who automate their browsers to uncheck the millions of boxes that Facebook requires you to click by hand in order to unfollow everyone:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/05/02/kaiju-v-kaiju/#cda-230-c-2-b

Facebook's apologists have lost their minds over this, insisting that no one can possibly understand the potential harms of taking away Facebook's legal right to decide how your browser works. They take the position that only Facebook can understand when it's safe and proportional to use Facebook in ways the company didn't explicitly design for, and that they should be able to ask the government to fine or even imprison people who fail to defer to Facebook's decisions about how its users configure their computers.

This is an incredibly convenient position, since it arrogates to Facebook the right to order the rest of us to use our computers in the ways that are most beneficial to its shareholders. But Facebook's apologists insist that they are not motivated by parochial concerns over the value of their stock portfolios; rather, they have objective, technical concerns, that no one except them is qualified to understand or comment on.

There's a great name for this: "scalesplaining." As in "well, actually the platforms are doing an amazing job, but you can't possibly understand that because you don't work for them." It's weird enough when scalesplaining is used to condemn sensible regulation of the platforms; it's even weirder when it's weaponized to defend a system of regulatory protection for the platforms against would-be competitors.

Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in government-protected monopolies. Somehow, scalesplaining can be used to condemn governments as incapable of making any tech regulations and to insist that regulations that protect tech monopolies are just perfect and shouldn't ever be weakened. Truly, it's impossible to get someone to understand something when the value of their employee stock options depends on them not understanding it.

None of this is to say that every tech regulation is a good one. Governments often propose bad tech regulations (like chat control), or ones that are technologically impossible (like Article 17 of the EU's 2019 Digital Single Markets Directive, which requires tech companies to detect and block copyright infringements in their users' uploads).

But the fact that scalesplainers use the same argument to criticize both good and bad regulations makes the waters very muddy indeed. Policymakers are rightfully suspicious when they hear "that's not technically possible" because they hear that both for technically impossible proposals and for proposals that scalesplainers just don't like.

After decades of regulations aimed at making platforms behave better, we're finally moving into a new era, where we just make the platforms less important. That is, rather than simply ordering Facebook to block harassment and other bad conduct by its users, laws like the EU's Digital Markets Act will order Facebook and other VLOPs (Very Large Online Platforms, my favorite EU-ism ever) to operate gateways so that users can move to rival services and still communicate with the people who stay behind.

Think of this like number portability, but for digital platforms. Just as you can switch phone companies and keep your number and hear from all the people you spoke to on your old plan, the DMA will make it possible for you to change online services but still exchange messages and data with all the people you're already in touch with.

I love this idea, because it finally grapples with the question we should have been asking all along: why do people stay on platforms where they face harassment and bullying? The answer is simple: because the people – customers, family members, communities – we connect with on the platform are so important to us that we'll tolerate almost anything to avoid losing contact with them:

https://locusmag.com/2023/01/commentary-cory-doctorow-social-quitting/

Platforms deliberately rig the game so that we take each other hostage, locking each other into their badly moderated cesspits by using the love we have for one another as a weapon against us. Interoperability – making platforms connect to each other – shatters those locks and frees the hostages:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/facebooks-secret-war-switching-costs

But there's another reason to love interoperability (making moderation less important) over rules that require platforms to stamp out bad behavior (making moderation better). Interop rules are much easier to administer than content moderation rules, and when it comes to regulation, administratability is everything.

The DMA isn't the EU's only new rule. They've also passed the Digital Services Act, which is a decidedly mixed bag. Among its provisions are a suite of rules requiring companies to monitor their users for harmful behavior and to intervene to block it. Whether or not you think platforms should do this, there's a much more important question: how can we enforce this rule?

Enforcing a rule requiring platforms to prevent harassment is very "fact intensive." First, we have to agree on a definition of "harassment." Then we have to figure out whether something one user did to another satisfies that definition. Finally, we have to determine whether the platform took reasonable steps to detect and prevent the harassment.

Each step of this is a huge lift, especially that last one, since to a first approximation, everyone who understands a given VLOP's server infrastructure is a partisan, scalesplaining engineer on the VLOP's payroll. By the time we find out whether the company broke the rule, years will have gone by, and millions more users will be in line to get justice for themselves.

So allowing users to leave is a much more practical step than making it so that they've got no reason to want to leave. Figuring out whether a platform will continue to forward your messages to and from the people you left there is a much simpler technical matter than agreeing on what harassment is, whether something is harassment by that definition, and whether the company was negligent in permitting harassment.

But as much as I like the DMA's interop rule, I think it is badly incomplete. Given that the tech industry is so concentrated, it's going to be very hard for us to define standard interop interfaces that don't end up advantaging the tech companies. Standards bodies are extremely easy for big industry players to capture:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/30/weak-institutions/

If tech giants refuse to offer access to their gateways to certain rivals because they seem "suspicious," it will be hard to tell whether the companies are just engaged in self-serving smears against a credible rival, or legitimately trying to protect their users from a predator trying to plug into their infrastructure. These fact-intensive questions are the enemy of speedy, responsive, effective policy administration.

But there's more than one way to attain interoperability. Interop doesn't have to come from mandates, interfaces designed and overseen by government agencies. There's a whole other form of interop that's far nimbler than mandates: adversarial interoperability:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability

"Adversarial interoperability" is a catch-all term for all the guerrilla warfare tactics deployed in service to unilaterally changing a technology: reverse engineering, bots, scraping and so on. These tactics have a long and honorable history, but they have been slowly choked out of existence with a thicket of IP rights, like the IP rights that allow Facebook to shut down browser automation tools, which Ethan Zuckerman is suing to nullify:

https://locusmag.com/2020/09/cory-doctorow-ip/

Adversarial interop is very flexible. No matter what technological moves a company makes to interfere with interop, there's always a countermove the guerrilla fighter can make – tweak the scraper, decompile the new binary, change the bot's behavior. That's why tech companies use IP rights and courts, not firewall rules, to block adversarial interoperators.

At the same time, adversarial interop is unreliable. The solution that works today can break tomorrow if the company changes its back-end, and it will stay broken until the adversarial interoperator can respond.

But when companies are faced with the prospect of extended asymmetrical war against adversarial interop in the technological trenches, they often surrender. If companies can't sue adversarial interoperators out of existence, they often sue for peace instead. That's because high-tech guerrilla warfare presents unquantifiable risks and resource demands, and, as the scalesplainers never tire of telling us, this can create real operational problems for tech giants.

In other words, if Facebook can't shut down Ethan Zuckerman's browser automation tool in the courts, and if they're sincerely worried that a browser automation tool will uncheck its user interface buttons so quickly that it crashes the server, all it has to do is offer an official "unsubscribe all" button and no one will use Zuckerman's browser automation tool.

We don't have to choose between adversarial interop and interop mandates. The two are better together than they are apart. If companies building and operating DMA-compliant, mandatory gateways know that a failure to make them useful to rivals seeking to help users escape their authority is getting mired in endless hand-to-hand combat with trench-fighting adversarial interoperators, they'll have good reason to cooperate.

And if lawmakers charged with administering the DMA notice that companies are engaging in adversarial interop rather than using the official, reliable gateway they're overseeing, that's a good indicator that the official gateways aren't suitable.

It would be very on-brand for the EU to create the DMA and tell tech companies how they must operate, and for the USA to simply withdraw the state's protection from the Big Tech companies and let smaller companies try their luck at hacking new features into the big companies' servers without the government getting involved.

Indeed, we're seeing some of that today. Oregon just passed the first ever Right to Repair law banning "parts pairing" – basically a way of using IP law to make it illegal to reverse-engineer a device so you can fix it.

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/03/28/oregon-governor-kotek-signs-strong-tech-right-to-repair-bill/

Taken together, the two approaches – mandates and reverse engineering – are stronger than either on their own. Mandates are sturdy and reliable, but slow-moving. Adversarial interop is flexible and nimble, but unreliable. Put 'em together and you get a two-part epoxy, strong and flexible.

Governments can regulate well, with well-funded expert agencies and smart, adminstratable remedies. It's for that reason that the administrative state is under such sustained attack from the GOP and right-wing Dems. The illegitimate Supreme Court is on the verge of gutting expert agencies' power:

https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2024/05/us-supreme-court-may-soon-discard-or-modify-chevron-deference

It's never been more important to craft regulations that go beyond mere good intentions and take account of adminsitratability. The easier we can make our rules to enforce, the less our beleaguered agencies will need to do to protect us from corporate predators.

If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this post to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/06/20/scalesplaining/#administratability

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[ace-and-the-rpg-horrors]

worst feeling's when a topic isn't even complicated or hard it's just so BORING but you still have to revise it

[woodsteingirl]

kicking my legs and twirling my hair im having sooooo much fun (<- reading about zermelo’s theorem again)

[scarletblob]

Consider the following non-cooperative game with n ≥ 2 players: Each player simultaneously chooses one element in {Yes, No}. If every player chooses No, then the payoff for every player is a < 0. If at least one player chooses Yes, then the payoff for every player who chose Yes is 0, and the payoff for every player who chose No is b > 0.

Among the deterministic strategy profiles, the Nash equilibria are the ones in which exactly one player chooses Yes, and every other player chooses No. The non-deterministic Nash equilibrium in which every player has the same strategy is the one in which every player chooses No with probability (b/(b-a))^(1/(n-1)); this is an unstable equilibrium.

I'm thinking about this mostly as a small exercise while trying to teach myself introductory game theory. I do think it could be somewhat representative of real-life situations in which, in order to avoid catastrophe, you need a certain number of your population to do something to which there's a cost, but as long as you meet that number, there's no additional benefit to exceeding that number. An example is voting in a popular election, if you restrict to a group of citizens who will either vote for the better candidate or refrain from voting: To avoid the bad consequences of the worse candidate winning, you need enough people to vote, but as long as the better candidate wins, there's actually an opportunity cost to more than 'enough' people voting. (I'm neglecting side effects that might depend on the margin of victory, like increased faith in civic processes; just assume that the only consequence of voting to determine the winner of the election.)

I think it might be harder in real life for an outside enforcer to 'solve' this problem than to solve something like the prisoner's dilemma. In the prisoner's dilemma, the optimum occurs when both/all players have the same strategy (of cooperation), so you can just make the cost of defection very high for both/all players to incentivise them to cooperate. In this problem that I've described, the optimum occurs when the players behave 'asymmetrically', so you'd have to choose one player and give him different incentives than the rest. If you give all the players the same incentives, then the best you can do is to get all of them to choose Yes or to get all of them to achieve the non-deterministic equilibrium previously described; in both of these cases, the (expected) sum of payoffs over all players is 0, while in the optimum, the sum of payoffs is (n-1)a > 0. In real life, 'asymmetry' can be hard to enforce when there isn't an apparent way to select which players take which strategy; there's often some expectation of 'fairness', e.g., when your enforcing body is a government. (Of course, in real life, there are also typically some inherent costs corresponding to 'unfairness' or inequality.)

[chemblrish]

23 December 2023

Still not a fan of phase equilibria but at least the topic is a little less mysterious to me now

[turing-complete-eukaryote]

An Interesting Fact About Chemical Equilibria

The rate of a chemical reaction is the speed at which it proceeds. It is primarily affected by the concentration of reactants. So, a chemical reaction will start out fast because the reactants are still abundant, but the reaction will slow down as it proceeds, because the concentration of reactants decreases.

A reversible chemical reaction is one that can occur in both the forwards and backwards direction. Consider the formation of carbonic acid, and the decomposition of carbonic acid.

CO2 + H2O => H2CO3

H2CO3 => CO2 + H2O

Carbon dioxide can react with water to form carbonic acid, and carbonic acid can decompose to form carbon dioxide and water. Each of these reactions have their own rates, which depend on the concentration of reactants. If there is a lot of CO2, but little H2CO3, the formation of carbonic acid will be fast, and its decomposition will be slow, so the total amount of carbonic acid will rise. If the there is much carbonic acid but little carbon dioxide, the formation will be slow and the decomposition will be fast, so the total amount of carbonic acid will fall.

But if the concentrations of carbonic acid and carbon dioxide are just right, the rate of the forward reaction will equal the rate of the backwards reaction, and the amount of carbonic acid formed will equal the amount of carbonic acid decomposed. There will be no net change in the amount of each chemical species, and the system is said to be in equilibrium.

Now I will propose a new chemical system, with hypothetical reactants A, B, and C.

A => B

B => C

C => A

If all three reactions were to proceed at the same rate, the system would be in equilibrium. A would turn into B just as fast as C turns into A, which is just as fast as B turns into C. There would be no net change in the amount of each chemical species. This is an unusual type of equilibrium because it consists not of one reversible reaction, but of three separate irreversible reactions.

But is such a chemical system possible? As it turns out, no! The reason why is thermodynamics.

Thermodynamics is the study of energy, and chemists use the concept of Gibbs free energy (G) to describe the amount of energy in a chemical system. If a chemical reaction would cause the amount of energy in system to increase (∆G > 0) it must use energy. If it causes the energy to decrease (∆G < 0), it produces energy. For a chemical system in equilibrium, there is no change in the properties of the system, and therefore no change in energy, so (∆G = 0).

An irreversible chemical reaction always has a negative ∆G, otherwise, it would not occur. Some reactions have a positive ∆G values, for example protein synthesis, but they only occur because they are combined with reactions with negative ∆G values, for example ATP hydrolysis, so they have a negative ∆G overall.

The chemical system outlined above is in equilibrium, so the overall ∆G should be zero. However, each of the reactions is irreversible, so they should each have a negative ∆G. The total ∆G is equal to the ∆G of each reaction, so this would mean that three negative numbers must add to equal zero. That's impossible. Therefore, a chemical system in equilibrium must be formed only of reversible chemical reactions in equilibrium, not of multiple irreversible reactions.

So, I introduce a fundamental law of chemistry:

In a chemical system in equilibrium, all chemical reactions are in equilibrium.

In other words, equilibrium systems don't have time directionality. Their reactions happen backwards in the same way as forwards.

[bleachbleachbleach]

I don't know if you've made a post about this already, but any clue how old Kenpachi is? Like, obviously not his exact age, but compared to other characters? Because, like, for instance, he gives me the vibe of being younger than Kisuke, but I'm not sure that makes sense timeline-wise. Then there's also the fact that he knew Retsu while she was the first Kenpachi, but then it's only 9 Kenpachis later that he showed up in Seireitei...help

I feel like Zaraki is one of those ageless Entities in Soul Society, and if anyone studied him it'd prove that time in Rukongai is even more wimey than anyone could know--particularly out there, in that thing called "80th" that may itself not have an outer boundary, might continue indefinitely, or perhaps even at will. No one's ever been, at least no one who's told the tale to the Seireitei. He has no age because time has no form out there; only once wrestled into the Seireitei and the Gotei with its calendars and seasons has he had any relationship to it at all, though his degree of reiatsu tests this hold perpetually.

Mayuri hates Zaraki too much to want to deal with him (or to admit that Zaraki has anything he wants) but secretly and furiously, Mayuri thinks Zaraki would be a great specimen to study, as far as entities from the outer outer reaches go. Something something negligible senescence, something something lives lived in a series of true punctuated equilibria (emphasis on punctuation, even puncture).

Some in Soul Society live lives that are long, more or less linear, all one song; others, several lives in succession, captured in one lifetime; and still others, only in single moments, in seeming independence from one another. Those for whom the only moment that matters is the one you're in, and even then only matters if that moment is a fight worth having. (But then, of course, maybe that independence is a fantasy, and memory comes for everyone. In a cave, at the end of a blade that belongs to someone who is ready to live out her final succession.)

[canmom]

I think the future looks something like: large renewable deployment that will still never be as big as current energy consumption, extractivism of every available mineral in an atmosphere of increasing scarcity, increasing natural disasters and mass migration stressing the system until major political upheavals start kicking off, and various experiments in alternative ways to live will develop, many of which are likely to end in disaster, but perhaps some prove sustainable and form new equilibria. I think the abundance we presently enjoy in the rich countries may not last, but I don't think we'll give up our hard won knowledge so easily, and I don't think we're going back to a pre-industrial past - rather a new form of technological future.

That's the optimistic scenario. The pessimistic scenarios involve shit like cascading economic and crop failures leading to total gigadeaths collapse, like intensification of 'fortress europe' walled enclaves and surveillance apparatus into some kinda high tech feudal nightmare, and of course like nuclear war. But my brain is very pessimistic in general and good at conjuring up apocalyptic scenarios, so I can't exactly tell you the odds of any of that. I'm gonna continue to live my life like it won't suddenly all end, because you have to right?

Shit that developed in the context of extraordinarily abundant energy and compute like LLMs and crypto and maybe even streaming video will have a harder time when there's less of it around, but the internet will likely continue to exist - packet-switching networks are fundamentally robust, and the hyper-performant hardware we use today full of rare earths and incredibly fine fabs that only exist at TSMC and Shenzhen is not the only way to make computing happen. I hold out hope that our present ability to talk to people in faraway countries, and access all the world's art and knowledge almost instantly, will persist in some form, because that's one of the best things we have ever accomplished. But archival and maintenance is a continual war against entropy, and this is a tremendously complex system alike to an organism, so I can not say what will happen.

[cellar-whales]

Reblog game, if anyone's interested: What's one Wikipedia article you've really enjoyed and one quick(ish) excerpt from it? Mine's

And "Frequency-dependent selection can lead to polymorphic equilibria, which result from interactions among genotypes within species, in the same way that multi-species equilibria require interactions between species in competition..."

[feyosha]

Unsafe

Spells and Artefacts

• Lantern of Diogenes (lamp): Forces the bearer to relentlessly detect and forcefully reject falsehood. Extended exposure may cause Apostasy, Atheism, Antiauthoritarianism, Public Nudity, Obscenity, Poor Grammar, Debasement of Currency, and Ostracism.

• Curse of The Chinese Room (spatial curse): Renders the inhabitants unable to subjectively comprehend language. They retain the ability to respond coherently, and will continue to do so, disguising the Curse. They will effortlessly answer questions and converse, despite having no subjective clue what is being said, even by them.

• Laplace’s Demons (set of figurines): “Observes” all quantum mechanical interactions within its sphere of influence, collapsing waveforms and rendering local Reality Classically Deterministic. Exposure to this “Determinism Field” interferes with cognition in higher mammals and with cellular metabolism in all living organisms, as chemical equilibria are shifted by Entropy behaving Classically

[transgenderer]

A lot of people, both it's proponents and it's critics, think of the organization of modern western society as sort of...cynical and practical in the nature of its organization. And I think there's obviously an element of that. But I think from another perspective it's sort of just as weird and wacky and starry-eyed and ideological as early communism, or an anarchosyndicalist commune or whatever. Like, the atomized individual as an independent economic agent is something that takes a certain...social technology/ideology to maintain! If you're working with a populace that doesn't buy that idea, it doesn't work. It's one of those weird catch-22 game theory things, there are multiple stable equilibria where everyone roughly agrees on what a person's role in society is. But the atomized conception of that role is very new, and not entirely intuitive, it has a very messy border around the family and the transition to adulthood.

[instabileatrofia]

Insieme di equilibri precari (Set of precarious equilibria)

I.S.A.

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Do not remove the captions pls.

[eightyonekilograms]

My hot take is that the purported rise in sexlessness among young men could easily be solved by raising boys for marriage and then pawning them off to the highest bidder as soon as possible, the way we used to do with girls (and still do in some cultures). Okay, I'm obviously not serious as that'd be ethically abhorrent, but if you buy the manosphere line that women can afford to only fuck Chad if given the option because men are just that sexually opportunistic, then boys would have no reason to complain about this arrangement.

I know you're not being serious, but this is as good a time as any to give my opinion on the general phenomenon of "coercive suggestions on fixing mating". With so many complaints about sex/dating markets, the discourse has seen a rise in the number/volume of "illiberal/post-liberal" suggestions on how to fix dating/sex/marriage. Here I don't mean "illiberal" in the sense of electoral politics (although certainly a bunch of the people making these suggestions also have illiberal politics), but in the linguistic sense of "hmm, focusing on individual freedom as the value to be maximized, and the self-actualized person as the fundamental unit of society, seems to have a produced a global outcome that makes everybody miserable. We should instead move to a system that requires more coordination/coercion." Obviously this exists on a spectrum of soft (more people should try matchmaking services, we should try to move culture away from treating marriage as a life capstone, etc.) to hard (I'm sure I don't need to provide examples if you're remotely plugged into this discourse).

And my response, as it is with most post-liberal speculation, is, yeah, that all sounds nice on paper, but

when the rubber has to meet the road and cash out to concrete policy suggestions, what are you going to do when people don't go along. Some equilibria, such as "we are where we are now but a lot more people voluntarily use matchmaking services" are stable against defection, but others, including a lot of the "how to fix dating markets" suggestions by the more ornery commenters out there, are not. What coordination and/or coercion mechanisms do you propose, are you really ready to inflict them on the unwilling, and do you have the cultural or political muscle to back it up if a sufficient mass of people start pushing back that your plan no longer works.

you are attributing to cultural changes sociological phenomena which are mostly material in origin (and the remaining ones which genuinely are cultural are cultural shifts that nobody wants to undo). Your proposed change is not stable against the relentless pressure of material conditions being what they are in a wealthy, post-industrial society.

I know this is all a bit abstract, but if I went to Twitter and started hunting around for specific examples of what I'm talking about, it would just make me angry, so you'll have to live with the generalities for now.

[max1461]

I think one of the main things that separates me from most rationalists is this: I think that rationalists have a tendency to bullet-bite object level claims to make their meta-views coherent, where I have very strongly the opposite tendency, to bullet-bite meta-level claims to make my object level views coherent. Thus wackier inclinations of mine like "there's nothing particularly wrong with hypocrisy" and others of similar type, which emerge out of a kind of radical disinterest in the elegance of the meta-level...

Uh, that might not make a lot of sense. Let me approach this from another angle. Rationalists, coming out of the econ bloggosphere and tech world as they have, seem to me to often be very interested in equilibria, convergence, and other notions of coherence between disparate things. They want meta-beliefs that commute nicely with their object-beliefs. To continue on with the previous example, if you believe that hypocrisy is wrong, then in some sense you are asking that the following diagram commute:

or commute up to some weaker notion than actual isomorphism, or whatever, for just actions and just statements. This is a kind of coherence condition on one's object-beliefs and meta-beliefs.

Now, to be clear, I don't feel that rationalists are particularly concerned with the concept of hypocrisy, at least not more so than any other group. But most people are somewhat concerned with hypocrisy. So my point is that I feel I am far less inclined towards interest in meta-coherence than the average person, whereas rationalists are often far more inclined towards it. Thus ideas like "finding your own utility function in order to maximize it", which I've encountered in rationalist spaces, and which seem to rely on the assumption (or imposition) of certain coherence conditions between certain object-level and meta-level preferences that one has.

And, anyway, it seems to me that the object level is very often a mess of random bullshit, and so demanding these kinds of coherence conditions is something of a big ask. This means that if you want a pretty looking meta-level, you often have to bite the bullet on a lot of object-level propositions, hence the heavily "bullet-biting" character that a lot of rationalist discourse seems to take relative to normie discourse.

I, on the other hand, am much more willing to bite the bullet on having nice looking meta-views. I don't think my meta-views satisfy any good coherence conditions, really. This is a less obvious form of bullet-biting, but I've always noticed it at least somewhat when talking to others, and I've noticed it especially strongly when talking to rationalists. Thus I think the characterization that I've received from a few people on here, that my ethical views seem to be (in so many words) made entirely of a big list of a priori carve-outs. Of course they aren't, I have various more universal convictions, but when it comes down to it I will much more rarely privilege one of these universal convictions over a considered intuition to the contrary on the object level.

Cf. this post about eating dog meat for some views of mine that might initially seem contradictory (or at least opposite-valence) to the ones I've sketched here, but which I don't think really are. Uh in fact I think that perhaps they're only contradictory if you impose the exact kind of coherence conditions I am saying here that I don't care about. But I'm not sure.

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6 January 2024

Pchem never ends... I have to start revising phase equilibria today which might be my most loathed least favorite chapter. I don't know, the diagrams just never clicked, but hopefully that'll change - there's still time.

ft. a new book! I've been really craving science fiction lately + I've heard great things about this one, so I'm pretty excited to dig into it :)

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la cosa che mi dà terribilmente fastidio di questo periodo è che da quando è iniziato l’anno ricevo solo notizie negative, ci dovrebbe essere una bilancia che ti equilibria la vita e invece no, più mi impegno più le cose vanno male, non c’è mezza cosa che mi incentiva a non abbattermi se non me stesso che mi do le pacche sulla spalla da solo