#endeavor critical

[imustbeimaginary]

Alright, so. I've read a lot of fics where everybody (or at least everybody sensible) knows that Endeavor is a bad hero. They know he causes a lot of collateral damage or even just straight up kills people sometimes. Data proves how terrible he is.

But listen. I want you to consider the scenario where he's a Good Hero. (hear me out) -He's still a piece of steaming shit as a person. He beat his wife, abused AND neglected his children, and I think there were allusions to sexual abuse with Rei. He's irredeemable. But he's also just a good hero. He's competent at his job. He minimizes collateral damage. He has an impressively high success rate. He still can't bring himself to stoop so low as to be nice, but come on-Trump won the elections. A good PR team can perform miracles.

So I want you to just. consider the way Shouto has to bite down the urge to break down in hysterical laughter every time someone talks about How kind Endeavor is, to have donated so much to that charity for Abuse Victims and How he must be such a softie under all that gruff exterior. And consider the moment when he realised that he could put 0% effort into hiding everything and it wouldn't matter. People would rather press their hands against their ears and sing La La La.

Also consider the fact that Izuku's father had a Fire Quirk. And while Endeavor had nothing on All Might, maybe Izuku used to look up to him, maybe he thought he was cool. Consider the hit he takes when he realises the truth. (because of course he believes Todoroki. that's practically a no-brainer for him. it is earth-shattering for Shouto) Consider the way he will later break a nail- while clawing, ripping, tearing the posters off his wall.

just. consider that.

[justatalkingface]

I find Endeavor giving up on Toya once he found out that his son's quirk (Blueflame) was self-destructive to be, not only out-of-character, but incredibly stupid.

Endeavor is loaded, he bought Rei. Why not buy Toya special support gear costume with cooling? Aoyama's belt, Mirio's suit, and f*cking Mecha Might basically suggest that support gear can do anything as long as the plot demands it.

Besides that, has Endeavor literally never heard of endurance training? That's literally the only type of training Class 1A does most of the time. Just have Rei on standby if anything goes wrong. It's not like being a human cooler would be the most degrading thing she's suffered.

It's like the first time Aizawa criticized Deku for injuring himself with One for All. Did they try thinking of solutions before trying to get them to give up ?

Also, it's kind of messed that Toya's inability fulfill Endeavor's goals is because Rei, the bought mother. It could've easily been Endeavor's fault, like his intense training at a young age ruined Toya's developing body.

OK, you see, the thing is you're thinking about this logically. Like, Endeavor has been many things, but 'rational' isn't one of them. Deeply toxic and twisted, on the other hand?

You need to think like someone desperate to prove themselves, filled with about eight superiority and inferiority complexes, and yet so resigned to his own inferiority that he ended up needing to make someone else to do it for him. The fact that Toya hurt himself? It meant he was weak. That's it. He was weak for being unable to use his powers safely.

And the second he was weak, he was no longer useful, because he could no longer beat All Might.

(Nevermind, of course, that there was nothing he could do to make someone able to beat All Might, because All Might and All For One are both setting breaking hacks that single handedly break the balance of power. Even a super Shoto with the blue flames of Dabi and, like, absolute zero ice, perfectly balanced and able to withstand his own power, would get casually bitchslapped by All Might. That's how overwhelmingly broken he is.)

Beyond that, it's worth pointing out that, 1, Mecha Might is, again, setting breaking bullshit, even in the bullshit casually tinkertech setting that is MHA, and that 2, while Quirk training is a thing (presumably that's how Dabi was able to be as high functioning as he was with his... well, entire everything, that he grinded with his Quirk until he was able to work beyond the pain), there are limits without Awakenings... and let's be honest, Awakenings are just how Hori tried to explain people's various power ups to try and keep them relevent in the ever increasing clusterfuck of his story. No amount of training would make it so that Toya would not burn himself; training like that increases limits, but it doesn't change how the Quirk works.

There's basiclly no reason, in setting, for someone not to suit themselves entirely in support tech to be a purely tech driven hero, beyond institutional culture that is built around people's Quirks. I can't even say it's expensive, because hell, Mei just pulls them out on the regular, and there's every reason to think she was making them even before she actually got into UA, instead of somehow learning to make them within a week or two of getting into school.

The fact that support tech is so damn underused is almost criminal, especially for people with more limited abilities; can you imagine if Kirashima, with his hardening, was given some kind of ranged tool? An air blast or something?

You're also ignoring all his complexes in implying that, 1, Rei could do anything, when literally she only exists to be a breeder, and I don't think he's ever shown imagining her able to do... anything helpful.

And, most importantly, 2: Endeavor always blames everyone but himself. Always. Even in the 'canon' (I have opinions on the sheer level of retcon there) version of events, with how soft that is on Endeavor, Endeavor sets up Toya to have a psychotic break. He isolates him, orients his entire life around one thing (surpassing All Might) and then takes away the very foundation he built his life on, before basiclly ignoring him and never trying to fix him afterwords; of course the kid is messed up! Yet, all this time, he looks back, and all he can think is, 'I couldn't stop him! Toya was so driven, Toya wouldn't stop hurting himself, Toya wouldn't listen to me!'

Toya, Toya, Toya. Everything wrong with Dabi's story was blamed on Toya, even though he was an actual child and Endeavor was the one with all the control in the family; his recollection of things was so warped you could see how it contracted with literally everyone's experience of events... Of course he was going to blame Rei over himself! Rei is the person he bought, and he's the top hero, rich and famous! Nothing is ever his fault!

(Also, I have opinions on Aizawa, and they're overwhelmingly negative. The fact that Aizawa wanted to ditch Izuku first thing is a result of his overwhelming biases and prejudices..... exactly like Endeavor. MHA has this thing of making massively biased authority figures that are obviously so and then going through fire to protect them from their own actions.)

[theloganator101]

The Great BNHA Review: Humble Beginnings

So! Anime! That’s something that’s been around for a long time.

And despite what less than stellar things many people believe it is. Whether they simply believe it’s for kids, they end up making people into degenerates, or just Hentai in general… It’s still a well made and even beautiful at times form of art and entertainment.

And it has brought us such wonderful pieces of shows and movies like Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon, Death Note, One Piece, Pokemon, Black Butler, Akira, Wolf Children, Inu-Oh, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, FullMetal Alchemist, and hell even anything made by Studio Ghibli!

The point I’m trying to make is that not all Anime is bad and it can bring forth wonderful content. And the one anime most people bring up the most is a series called My Hero Academia, created by Kohei Horikoshi.

Most people say it’s a good anime start with if you wanna get into it, it has a simple plot that most people can get behind it seems. A story about a young boy training to become a strong hero and fights many villains along the way. Simple but hey, sometimes simplicity is good.

And with that being said, let me and some of the other normal people who've been following this series for a while now just say… we deeply apologize for what this series has become. From the lack of direction, the constant inconsistencies in both story and characters, the poorly told and even sometimes harmful messages it tries to convey, to even the presence of the worst anime character to ever grace us. This series is absolute garbage.

And the worst part of all this… is that it HAD potential! It had potential to be good and tell a complex and interesting story! But it was all wasted when Hori decided to instead pander to the fanbase and keep the money flowing rather than take his time to actually figure out what he wants from his story and how to go about it.

And as the Manga is coming to an end, whatever the ending might be… whether it ends somewhat decent or just horrible like the rest of the series has been. The whole picture just shows how bad you can screw up a potentially good series.

[shonenvillain]

i literally gag every time i hear midoriya tell todoroki 'i think youre getting ready to forgive [your abuser] because youre really kind' ugh ew i would punch someone in the face for saying that shit to me

forgiveness is not needed to move on from abuse i will never ever forgive my abuser, but i will heal and move on. like if you forgive whatever but saying that its unkind to not forgive someone who has neglected and hurt and beat and abused you and your loved ones for twenty four+ years just because he’s gotten what he ultimately wanted and decided he can do his job without being a wife beater and child abuser yikes... that is disgusting to me

especially when endeavors "redemption" is him continuing to bury his crimes with no consequences and just doing his job aka beating the 'right people who deserve it'

[nutzgunray-lvt]

If I were Fuyumi and I experienced:

Being concieved via eugenics, only to be deemed a failure for only inheriting my mother's quirk and completely neglected as a result

Having to step in as my younger brother's caretaker at the age of 7/8 years old due to my father solely focusing his attention on my youngest brother and my mother being forced to essentially keep my oldest brother under lock and key

Being completely isolated from my youngest brother by my father growing up

Witnessing my mother and youngest brother being beaten by my father

Witnessing my mother undergo a psychotic break from my father's abuse, resulting in her hospitalization

Having to step in as my youngest brother's primary caretaker because my father sure as hell can't/won't do it outside of training

Having to practically be EVERYONE's mother and having no one to take care of me

I'd not only want a functioning family, but I'd be holding in some resentment due to these circumstances. The groundwork is there and Fuyumi's motivations/position in the family ARE interesting, but as always, Horikoshi utterly fails in the execution and makes Fuyumi seem 1D as a result. Instead, she reprimands her younger brothers for rightfully wanting nothing to do with Endeavor, violates Shoto's boundaries by giving Endeavor his contact information, and absolves Endeavor of his part in making Toya the person he is today (even though she was a kid, so wtf was she expected to have done to stop him.

[bnha-more-like-bnh-gay]

Yamadad headcanons:

The gays favorite English teacher trope

A personal headcanon that izuku is hard of hearing thanks to a certain Pomeranian with an explosive quirk. So, mic talks to izuku and finds out that he is hard of hearing (and I think we’ve come to the fairly unanimous decision that mic is also hard of hearing, if not deft), so he teaches izuku JSL

Soon, izuku is teaching some of the other students JSL after talking to them about how it would be a useful tool for hero work, and easier to communicate with both himself and mic!

Mic is e m o t i n a l about it

Soon, they start a JSL club!

His home room class is very excited about the JSL club and they go to as many meetings as they can, which makes mic very happy. Guys, he’s a dad. Guys, he’s crying

Koda is also very happy about the club because now, it’ll be easier for him to communicate with his classmates and teachers!

He has 10000% shit talked endeavor on Put Your Hands Up Radio after learning how horrible he is/was to, not only his student, whom he loves and cares for very much, but his entire family

He had never really liked endeavor before that, but now? Now he has a vendetta against him

One time, he heard the way endeavor was talking to Shouto and quickly shut that shit down, he got Shouto out of the situation and yelled at endeavor. A win-win.

Shouto bought a present mic plushie and refers to him as his “true dad”

Mic didn’t know about this until someone, probably Aizawa, who heard from one of the students in his hell class, told him about it.

Let me tell you, he was so proud. Referred to Shouto as, “his son” one time in front of endeavor.

The aftermath, well… it was worth it.

Has worked with the girls of class A and kiri, Sero, Iida, and izuku to collect evidence against mineta so that he can *finally* be expelled. Looking at you, Aizawa

He has had Jirou come on his show with him. She loves going with him. She picks out some songs and they talk on air about music

Talks with izuku about his analysis. I am a firm believer in mic loving quirk analysis. He is so excited once he hears about izuku’s notebooks and asks if he can show some of them to nezu

Usually tall men offend me. But mic can stay. So can Fatgum.

Is very good at helping the students through panic attacks and has done so a number of times, especially after the villain attacks

So. Many. Dad. Jokes.

What he wasn’t expecting was for students to joke back

Momo is the most surprising one though. She loves puns, and he got so excited the first time he heard her tell one

Once he learns how izuku’s past teachers treated him, he was our for blood. He brought it up with nezu, and soon Aldera Middle was no longer. Such a shame. Pity.

Izuku got very emotional about it for obvious reasons. Like,, the only person who had ever really cared about him up until U.A. Was his mother, and later on all might, but he never went to anyone for help.

He didn’t even mean to bring it up, really. He just mentioned that his old teachers would purposely “lose” assignments that he had handed in.

Mic asked him more about it, and he (awkwardly and nervously) told him about it.

Our dear found family father’s blood was boiling.

I think he should get a therapy dog. And I think sometimes, he brings them to school. And I think that he lets the kids pet him. I think he let the kids name him.

Okay, so. Let’s say that Jirou and Shinsou both intern with him one time. He puts them on air for his radio show, and he helps both of them get more confident in their abilities. On patrols, he lets them observe at first, but as time goes on and they get more confident in their abilities, he lets them interfere as well

He helps the students who don’t have a lot of self confidence in themselves or their quirks (namely momo, Monoma, kirishima, Aoyama, Tokoyami, shinsou, and izuku).

He helps momo become more decisive and confident in her abilities

He helps Tokoyami become less afraid of dark shadow and teaches them both how to work together instead of Tokoyami having to rein dark shadow in all the time

Kirishima talks about how his quirk isn’t very strong or flashy, but mic tells him how his quirk os considered flashy, and how that wasn’t a good thing as a child. How people got mad at him for losing control of his quirk, and tells kirishima that his quirk is powerful and very good for protecting people which, in the end, isn’t that what being a hero is all about?

He helps shinsou become less self conscious about his quirk. He tells him how some people used to call both him and Aizawa villains, and look how far both of them have come!

So, let’s say at this point mic knows about one for all and everything. So. HE TELLS IZUKU THAT HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT HERO WITH OR WITHOUT A QUIRK. DON’T @ ME

Anyway

I hope you enjoyed!! Feel free to add on if you want!! :D

[vento-di-fata]

I was abused. The idea of my abuser coming to watch me while I'm unconscious and can't hide and then going back to the same family that was abused alongside me, acting like it's a great act of repentance makes me sick. I would genuinely rather die than let my abuser do something like this.

I actually feel sick to my stomach about what happened to dabi. I'm not being hyperbolic. I was never abused but the fact that Dabi's abuser gets to visit him even though everyone knows what that man did is sick. Endeavor gets to stare at him through a pain of glass like dabi is a goddamn monkey in a zoo and dabi is too weak to even object.

[teapetal44]

TW: ABUSE, CHILD ABUSE

“He wants to air this dirty laundry to the world does he…? Dabi, you fiend…you’ve been waiting for this moment…when they couldn’t prevent mass destruction…and faith in heroes is wavering.” - chapter 292

I truly, wholeheartedly, believe that MHA as a story upholds the myth of the perfect victim. I do not want to discuss if Horikoshi did that on purpose, or subconsciously because of inner bias – I find no meaning in doing so. For me the execution of an idea, in the grand scheme of the narrative, holds more value than the intention of the author. I’ve also had my fair share of people infantilizing Asian authors in the anime community for their poor writing decisions for one lifetime. It’s patronizing to both the author and the people reading it. Whether or not Horikoshi intended for his themes of abuse to paint the picture they did does not matter, because that’s how it reads as.

MHA puts victims of abuse in narrow boxes and softly dictates what’s an acceptable reaction to said abuse. Victims are continuously walking a tightrope between being deserving of compassion and sympathy and being unredeemable monsters who are too far gone and are only good for martyrdom after being put down.  

Eri fits the clean cut depiction of abuse victims that media usually gears towards. She is untouched by the cruelty around her - she preserves her innocence and kindness. She isn't assertive, but rather meek and passive. She doesn't fight back with force. And when offered help, she is receptive to it. That is not to say that Eri's depiction doesn't have a place in fiction, or that her portrayal can't be representative of the experiences of some - as we all deal with trauma and the inhumanity people throw at us differently. We see the same thing in the portrayal of Fuyumi, who shares many of the qualities discussed above. The same thing applies to her - i personally love the idea of all the siblings having different reaction to their childhood trauma and abuse. It shows that victims are not some type of monolith.

But the narrative treats the "forgiving" or "receptive to help/support" victims of abuse with more grace and with much more kindness. if you are willing to forgive, or the very least be quietly tolerant, the story grants you a happy ending. Forgiveness isn't a bad thing, it is an individual choice - but an abuse victim shouldn't have to do it for them to have a happy ending.

In a vacuum Eri and Fuyumi's character arcs and depictions of abuse are good but it becomes a problem when that's the only experience and type of victim we ever hold in high value or recognize as valid and deserving of compassion. Which the story reinforces.

Touya and Tenko's backstories aren't pretty nor comfortable or easy to sit through. Their responses to abuse aren't either. Reactive abuse is very much real.

[haine-kleine]

ignoring canon so hard because if I start thinking about Touya ending up as a plot device, a simple prop for Enji's character arc and getting no future beyond being the highlight of his abuser's change of heart, I will set myself on fire

[arceus-insanity]

So When Did Things Start Going Down Hill

I don't mean everything is shit after this, but things looking back started getting (steadily) worse starting with. Check bottom for more indept view on each option

A) at first I wasn't going to include this one as it happened before most of what I considered shit started happening, but with how much it blatantly favours this lazy-ass child abuser, how could I not include it. And of course, it shows so much evidence that he hasn't changed at all, like only even offering to teach Midoriya and Bakugo to manipulate his favourite victim Shoto

B) when it first happened I was devastated but expected this to lead to greater change to the hero system and society. But no, just a meaningless footnote to the heroes epic battle

C) literally no one questions how a top hero was just so eager to kill someone, or buy a wife, breed her, abuse & neglect his kids to the point one of them was believed dead. Only citizens whining about how Dabi is bad for them

D) here's this apparently big shot hero from the States we've never heard of before and immediately dies. If they wanted to keep Shigaraki from having too many powers they could of just chalked it up to the heroes interupting the process

E) the Todoroki family all blames themselves, this isn't to go into the complexity of abusive households, but to absolve Endeavor's responsibility and guilt. Despite the fact that as the one who created and was in control of this situation, he should be held accountable for theirs as well. The only backlash for his shit is framed as ohh poor Endeavor, he didn't mean for the child he threw away to create consequences, and now people are being mean to them

F) what was the point of this arc? Deku barely asks a villain three questions before giving up. He learns the HPSC had Lady Nagant acting as a secret assassin against any undesireables for them, covered up her arrest and got a replacement assassin (Hawks who has at least one confirmed extra jurdical murder under his belt). Witnesses an innocent woman get attacked for her appearance and was turned away from multiple shelters for said appearance. Deku: Hero Society is the Best, Nothing needs to change, because not every single apple in this basket is rotten to the core! Looking back he just looks worse for this

G) so this child, who due to his parents mistake was blackmailed under great threat & risk, into giving information to the blackmailer, deserves to be chained up and forced to take further risk by the heroes. Remember Endeavor never faces any consequences, nor does Hawks, but this child, Yuga, gets treated like this.

H) once again what was the point? How does Edgeshot know he can do this? How does he know how to do this? Why is he a top hero who has never interacted with Bakugo before this, sacrifices his appearing to be unharmed self, for a random hero student in the middle of a war? Oh and Edgeshot is revealed to be alive at the end of the manga, because Heroes have no consequences and live in magical fairytail land. Again what was the fucking point!

I) This was originally going to be two points, Oh poor Endeavor, victim blaming part 2 and the hospital battle. But I ran out of options and Endeavor doesn't need another personal option. So we got the whole Todofam blaming Dabi/Touya this time, and Endeavor being a whiney responsibility dodging coward again. Then we see the heroes knew that the villains were going to go after Kurogiri, kept him in a hospital. We see that the people aren't going after doctors or patients just trying to get to Kurogiri, get demonized for it. We have victim blamer/ pick-me Tentacole say that their kids will be attacked for this (already happening), and that it's up to them/ him to inspire the violent quirkests to not constantly attack, assualt, and otherwise discriminate against them, no need for the quirkists to be given any responsibility or consequences for their own actions. Oh and Spinner has major brain damage because how else was Tentacole supposed to win this arguement. Bonus points for Hawks calling for Toga to be murdered, doubling right back down on his previous murder

J) in this already overcrowded 3rd act lets make sure all these background characters get a scene! And despite the fact it took years for Deku to get a powersuit in the epilogue, All Might just randomly gets one, no build up or anything. AFO's backstory is left in the past so no one has to consider anything

K) I had hope going into this, but at every turn they kept on making it worse. Deku only tries punching and attacking, rather than make any attempts to actually talk unlike what Shigaraki has been doing since his introduction. Is randomly able to enter Shigaraki's head, doesn't have to see just how fucked Hero Society is as it gets cut short by moral scapegoat AFO coming in and revealing he orcastrated everything! Oh and he flat out kills Shigaraki. Living up to his name and not his goal. Deku that could my ass

Sorry if this comes off as super negative but I've been wondering this for a while, and well I'm pissed at the ending. Here's some people I want to hear the opinions of:

@moodyvoid @nagitosstolenhand @codenamesazanka @shortstrawberryshake @darkonekrisrewrite @nothingofinterest @itsnothingofinterest @villainsandvictimsalliance

Feel free to @ more people

[theloganator101]

I've learned about this yesterday and spent that time figuring out how to put it all into words.

Throughout the story, Shoto devolved into a plot device in his own arc. Made to forgive Endeavor in contrast to Dabi who refuses to forget the traumatic past his father inflicted on him.

This was supposed to be SHOTO'S story! HE was supposed to be the one to break the cycle of abuse and help his family move on from the tragedies that haunts them!

NOT FUCKING ENDEAVOR! THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Horikoshi recently revealed that Endeavor was supposed to die during the PLF war and that honestly validates something I've been feeling but couldn't quite articulate: "Horikoshi doesn't know who the central Todoroki is" (or he does, but he changed it halfway through to the worse option)

Endeavor dying would have been AMAZING if Shoto were the central character in the Todoroki subplot. The main reason this is so is that Endeavor would be out of the way. Shoto would have full reigns on how he wants to handle Touya (the "final villain" of the Todoroki subplot), and the rest of the family can play a role in this as a supporting cast.

However, Shoto is NOT the central character in the Todoroki subplot. Or, at least, he used to be, but he's not anymore. He's not allowed to have a final fight with Touya because Touya needs to still confront Endeavor. Regardless of how that fight ends, whether it's Shoto saving his brother or knocking him out, Shoto isn't allowed to end the conflict until Touya and Endeavor interact.

At the start of the series, it was really obvious that Shoto was the central figure (and was our pov character) for his family drama. During the sports festival, HE'S the one who shared the backstory. The flashbacks are framed around what HE saw. HE is the one taking a step forward to fix his family, and it starts with reconciling with his mom. At this point, Endeavor is what I'll call "the instigator". He is the cause for the family drama, and though we may not know Touya at this point, Endeavor has already released the future final boss of the subplot into the world.

In the Pro Hero arc, Endeavor becomes his own central figure as a pov character into the world of pros. He then overlaps with the Todoroki subplot by wanting to atone and remove himself from the role of the instigator. The thing is, he can't. What was done cannot be undone, and the most he can do at this point is try to make things better for his family moving forward. At this point, he and Shoto can coexist as central figures because the final boss has not yet been introduced.

The second Touya confirmed his identity, either Endeavor or Shoto had to stop being the central figure. Having Touya need to fight two heroes before being able to come to any end just feels sloppy, and since Shoto was given the first fight, it makes him seem like the less important figure. Even Touya doesn't care! He spends a good chunk of the fight talking about how he'd rather fight Endeavor. This makes Endeavor into the central figure as he is now the one to end the fight. HE'S the one the final boss has been waiting for, not Shoto.

The thing is, this started as Shoto's story, so it would have made sense for it to end as Shoto's story as well. Even if it meant killing Endeavor to force Shoto to be the ONLY central figure (probably to Touya's dismay) it would have allowed Shoto the space he needed to lead the ending he deserved, rather than be pushed to a side character.

TL;DR Endeavor surviving forced Shoto into the role of a supporting character in a plot line that started as SHOTO'S plot line.

[nowyoursoulisforfeit]

His poor eyesight, white trauma hair, and thigh high boots have bewitched my body and soul.

[justatalkingface]

I don't see why people spend any effort defending Endeavor since he's such an empty character. He's got nothing besides his "atonement." No real bonds, no hobbies, what is Endeavor outside the """good"" "hero."

This can be extended to most characters in MHA. However, rather than defending their wasted potential, Endeavor defenders just defend the existing character.

If MHA is trying to get me to like a character (and MHA is trying with Endeavor), then humanize him. That's right, humanize the abuser. At least then he would entertaining if people ignore his abuse.

I mean, you said it yourself: they like him because of his atonement. That entire thing was made just to make Endeavor into an actual character who people would like.

To expand on your question, the reason why people are so invested in his redemption arc falls into two reasons:

The first is that, to be blunt? As bad as this is, as ham handed, as basiclly fucked up it is, on so many levels? This redemption arc is so far beyond anything in it's category (that is, abusive fathers dealing with their shit) that it stands head and shoulders of the rest, easily.

Shonen has a long, storied history of giving people massively fucked up dynamics, and then having everyone, especially the people with them, accept it as normal and then never really talk about it, and the father son relationship often is the worst of them all. So many shonen fathers treat their sons in ways that are flat out torture, in ways that make Endeavor look kind, only to never let them have any real consequences for it.

So, compared to that? It can look pretty nice. And that much... well, I can respect that. It's the other reason that's the problem:

The Narrative. Hori uses the narrative like a weapon, and he just... clubs everyone around him with it, all the time. It makes him a focus, makes them think about him. It's his favorite tool. At times, using the narrative to low-key gaslight his readers into accepting a character's new dynamic seems to be his only way to really deal with a problematic character.

The reason why Endeavor is so beloved now isn't about how he's changed, it's that readers have been subjected to endless torrents of Endeavor support from every character in the story, constantly. Every one of his flaws is glossed over, every virtue, supposed or otherwise, is shouted to the heavens, and fundamentally, people just.... respond to that. They listen to what they're being told.

[theloganator101]

Finally talking about Dabi

So time and time again I've expressed how Dabi is my favorite of the villains and how much I hate how the narrative completely screwed him over. So now I'm going to talk about him. Spoilers under Read More.

So let's start at the beginning. His real name is Touya Todoroki, the oldest of the Todoroki siblings. When his quirk came in he got excited and wanted to make his dad proud, but soon it all went downhill.

He wasn't born to be resistant to his own flames, and thus giving him burns. Endeavor stops training him as he keep telling him to give up, but Touya refuses.

As the years went on the resentment for his father telling him to quit grew, until he reached his breaking point. Ending with his quirk going haywire and assumed to have been killed.

... Only for it to be revealed that he was Dabi the whole time.

That's pretty much the gist of Dabi's past and it could've been a compelling and complex story. Yeah what Dabi does isn't right or okay, but you can understand what led him to taking this road of becoming a villain.

Now, any good writer would use this to their advantage to write a really good plot from here. Such as having it revealed that Deep down Dabi still cared about his family and part of why he wanted to expose Endeavor was to help his family out of that toxic environment, even if he can't be with them.

Endeavor would be forced to face consequences and his family realizing that this reveal was a blessing in disguise... that they can finally be a happy family without the abuser to keep them on leashes.

...

But then you remember that the author is Hori, a guy known for propping up his worst characters and handling these kind of plots poorly.

What he did instead, was have his own main character tell Dabi that Endeavor has been changing and that makes everything he has done in the past more forgivable! And the whole thing about him revealing this information is framed as he should've kept his mouth shut as poor widdle Endeavor is receiving for it by the public.

So this is LITERALLY saying that abuse victims should keep their struggles quiet since the abuser is "Changing" and to just let the past be the past!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT HORIKOSHI!! WHAT IN THE EVER LIVING FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE!?

It angers me that THIS was how Hori decided to write this part of the story! To write Dabi off as a non caring insane psychopath who only wants destruction when the building blocks to make this a much more compelling story about a family escaping their abuser was right there!

Dabi! My man! You deserve much better than this!

[thr0wnawayy]

Midoriya's Delusion

This is post that builds upon my previous one, I've copied many of the points I made there to here. Albiet with some corrections and tweaks.

To summarize, I have a bit of a crack theory that chapter 430 isn't as real as we've been led to believe. (As for when this actually takes place, that's up to you but I like to imagine the start of his third year marks the beginning of his mental decline.)

(As an update, I find it dubious whether 8 years have actually passed or if that's also a part of the fantasy. I can see Midoriya becoming so attached to the lie that his reference of time begins to warp)

This theory mostly comes from some inconsistencies in regards to the hero rankings and some other things I've found.

Corrections:

It's left ambiguous whether Best Jeanist and Endeavor are still active. However the fact that people view these two in a postive light (especially after Dabi and the war) still seems absurd.

2. Midoriya wasn't outright abandoned, rather their busy schedules make it hard for their days off to coincide. This falls apart when you look at this panel

"The rate of new villains keep decreasing and the number of heroes have stabilized"

Besides Ochaco who's funding a quirk counseling project, the rest of the class should be able to make time. Again it's stated that they aren't actually fighting.

There's no real threat to face. Besides PR and Community Service there's bot a whole lot else (besides the occasional natural disaster)

One could argue it's because the scope of what heroes do is increasing, thus keeping them busy. But again, we see heroes doing exactly what they did before, PR, Advertising and (implied) Showboating.

This leads me to believe that the lack of contact is based in reality, to some extent.

Whether it was by choice or forced by their (1A's) respective PR teams to preserve their images (can't be seen around the "freaks" for too long, now can we?).

The lie comes in the form of busy schedules.

Now whether that's what Midoriya tells himself or what he's been told, I cannot say for certain.

Disturbia:

For those of you who didn't read my last post, you may be wondering, so what's going on?.

Simply put:

Midoriya's having a breakdown fantasy to cope with the fact that he won't be becoming a hero due to the loss of his quirk.

Im aware it sounds crazy but consider the following:

1. Midoriya subconsciously knows the way he's been treated was wrong.

This manifests within the escapists fantasy in Bakugo's drop in the rankings + the attitude surrounding him (as well as his damaged hand never fully healing)

He meets a kid who just so happens to be in a near exact same position as he once* was (and still is to an extent). One could take this as his mind's way of trying to cope and heal itself, by having Midoriya do what he does best and help others, henceforth working though his trauma by using the kid as a stand in.

*Even the kid's "bully" seems to be a warped version of Bakugo (perhaps this is how Midoriya tries to fool himself into believing how it was)

2. We see Kota.

I believe that here, Kota serves as what Midoriya thinks he could have been had he not failed. Kota is the idealized version of Midoriya here, the unobtainable.

3. A lesson ignored

Apparently people forgot the connection between Endeavor and Shoto. You'd think this would be a good thing as Shoto would be able to become his own person.

This falls flat when you remember that also includes people forgetting the reason and happenings behind Shoto's existence, it feels like Midoriya is trying to have his cake and eat it too

To elaborate, this is a major copout, it allows Shouto to be unaffected by his family's past bith career wise and emotionally. While also feeding into Midoriya's rather toxic belief that forgiveness is required to be a good person.

(The fact that killing Tomura violated this only adds to my theory that this whole thing is an escapist coping mechanism.)

(You can also add the idea that Tomura didn't forgive society for what they did to him and his friends. That likely broke all the "rules" that Midoriya knew.)

4. The Mech Suit is a massive cope, it's the dying whimper of Midoriya's childish hope that All Might will save the day.

This time there's no magic quirk, no garrish mech suit, no plot twist.

No. There's only Midoriya and the consequences of his, his classmates and hero societies actions. It doesn't matter how shiny and seamless the illusion, how sweet the lie.

You can't hide the blood.

Concerning Aspects:

That was mostly the revised stuff, let me introduce you to some new points

1. A Frozen Lake

Something I noticed was certain characters seem to be almost frozen in time, as if someone tried to continue a story using scraps of the original text.

The curious case of Rei Himura:

This scene seems almost stagnant, what was most noticeable was Enji's bandages still being on and Rei still being there.

It's as if Midoriya hasn't seen them in years (or perhaps doesn't want to acknowledge what happened). So his mind uses what he last saw/heard of them, creating a sterile, static scenario. Little better than props.

Those surrounding her (with the exception of Hawks) also seem to be stuck in the past.

It's definitely strange.

2. See No Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak No Evil

Shigaraki is a representation of Midoriya's repressed guilt and his fears. I believe deep down Midoriya knows that, inevitably the cycle will repeat, so long as the system is allowed fester and wallow in it's complancy.

I find the fact that he's behind Midoriya to be ironic, as if to say: don't look back, don't think about what you've done.

A Symbol of Stagnation:

I should warn you that it does get lengthy from here, however I think it's important to get the full picture. Even if I tend to ramble here.

It's implied here that Lemillion's the top hero. This is awful for a variety of reasons. Mirio is a horrible symbol.

All Might was flawed for a variety of reasons, but a majority of these were byproducts rather than directly being his own doing.

Mirio on the other hand, has such a cancerous philosophy that it actively harms all who interact with it.

Mirio is a follower, he follows orders first and asks questions never.

Eri is the best example of this. Even after Nighteye's death, Mirio never truly reflects on the damage his actions could have caused ( only saved by the narrative, seriously it's a miracle Eri trusts anyone besides Midoriya after being abandoned like that)

You see, the difference between Toshinori and Mirio lies in their actions and principles.

Mirio left Eri to die, all for the sake of the "mission".

For all the heroes knew, Eri could have been a trafficking victim and either have been killed or relocated. But no, appearances and "gotta catch em all" take priority even after knowing Eri is in the Yakuza's clutches.

Lemillion made the worst decisions possible. He followed a known murder into a secluded, restricted area (with a hostage mind you) bringing his pupil with him.

Willingly ignored blatant signs of abuse (just look at the girl) and played hooky with thre leader of a criminal organization, who is known for his short fuse and willingness to kill.

He did all of that, when he could have easily detained Overhaul at any point (his quirk being a direct counter)

Toroshinori would fight tooth and nail in that situation. Consequences be damned if it meant saving Eri.

Part of the reason Toroshinori was so effective as a hero was 1. His sense of justice and 2. His compassion.

Mirio is a symbol that can be controlled, a weapon if you will.

The fact that Mirio is at the top shows that things haven't changed and are even beginning to decline. So this brings me to my next point

You may be asking, if Midoriya's losing it in his own mind, what's the outside world look really like?.

Allow me to set the stage.

4. Speculation

Within Midoriya's muddled mind, Lemillion represents both his toxic optimism and a subconscious understanding that nothing has changed. It represents denial and acceptance, a dysfunctional middle ground that's easy enough for Midoriya to stomach.

The truth of the matter is, delusion or not, the reality is soon to sink in.

Something that I don't see discussed is the lack of reactions from other nations or really any insight into how they were affected by everything that happend.

Here's the idea: Most likely they are foaming at the mouth.

Particularly it's the countries who suffered under Imperial Japan in the past (Korea, China, Singapore etc), however this also applies to every nation Nedzu brow beat into aiding with the rebuilding efforts, albiet their reaction would be latent.

Not not only is the attitude painfully reminiscent of how Japan handles it's past atrocities, Japan has had them clean up their messes. seen below:

(you cannot tell me Big Red Dot over here is having a good time)

From an outside pov. The Commission never told anyone about AFO, rather they suppressed any information, locked him up in Tartarus and then sat on the whole situation until it blew up in their (read: everyones) faces.

He then proceeded to: kill over 8000 people (+ those killed during the Blackout period), kill the top hero of one of the world's most powerful nations and incite mass panic. Destroyed massive amounts of infrastructure and transport nationwide, broke thousands of criminals out of prison, destroying those prisons in the process.

Meanwhile the heroes:

Abandoned civilians in mass by quitting in the middle of a war.

Left the public in the dark for months and allowing crime and paranoia to grow rampant, even (forcibly) bringing someone they knew was being targeted by AFO and his forces to the one place they could find shelter.

Mutilated a seven year old girl. Who has a history of being mutilated for the gain of others and patted themselves on the back. (Also having no holdup on how that may effect her physically via her quirk or mentally via her trauma)

Mic: tried to kill a docile prisoner who could be considered in comatose, based off of his emotional attachment to a dead man + viewing it as justified if it meant Spinner couldn't get to him.

Used hospital staff and patients as meatshields (Central Hospital) during a riot.

Most had no qualms supporting a child beating eugenicist and implied marital rapist, even with his one of his victims exposed him and citing it as his main reason for turning to villainy.

Held an illegal questioning* with said abuser while ignoring his main victim (Rei, who is probably the most reliable source of information there)

(*which effectively is like conducting an investigation on yourself and declaring you are not guilty)

And so much more! (But this post is getting too long)

My point is by the time everything was said and done, it seemed everyone but Japan was paying for it.

It's outright stated that the US president risked national security by sending every hero they had to help Japan. (Impeachment worthy if you ask me)

Endeavor's little plan to kill himself and Dabi in a blaze of death ended up disrupting the weather. Very likely it'll end up resembling an El Niño phenomenon, only vastly off schedule and even more destructive than normal.

For Reference [https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/ninonina.html]

Very likely it'll lead to an agricultural drought in the northern America's and mass flooding in southern America's, likely starting at the west coast and bleeding inland. Leading to a domino effect where cost of living surges due to the sudden displacement of people and the rapid loss of products.

Worse still, because the US had no heroes (likely for months on end), crime has likely surged in the America's, which will further impact the rest of the world.

The rebuilding efforts likely emptied the wallets of most participating countries, leaving them unable to help anyone, including themselves.

Also keep in mind that Japan incriminated themselves with the Business Course footage. I don't think the general public (outside of Japan) is going to take too kindly to a known murder and abuse apologist being in charge of a system already known for it's corruption.

The end result is likely be a world that detests Japan, either from a moral perspective (Rei's treatment + the treatment of those society abandoned), a financial perspective (we can't afford shit and you contributed to that) or historical perspective (you do this everytime and ignore the consequences).

A world divided by struggle and united by an immense loathing for the Commission's Japan and the culture surrounding it.

Oh, don't forget there's no finding left for quirk research. Meaning that it's very likely no one will be prepared for quirk singularity to start manifesting in the upcoming generations (Thanks Nedzu).

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Update: Can I just say that Aizawa's lack of ownership infuriates me even though this is likely a fantasy and not grounded in reality.

Like what the fuck do you mean "with the way he talks, it was pointless" Fantasy Aizawa.

Because "Hey Asshole", You deliberately ignored his attitude and offenses!. And what? Now your just gonna shrug it off like it wasn't your fault. To hell with that you had two years, most teacher are said to only get one. As you so graciously mentioned at the start of this shit show of an epilouge.

Heres the moment I'm referring to btw:

While we're at it. Are you telling me it was too hard to get Momo some proper attire all three fucking years she was at UA for.

Not to mention Toru is still naked, how the fuck hasn't she died yet, she is literally exposed to the elements (and lord help her of she gets a cut)

Kirishima's costume is still his biggest liability considering it exposes his chest and back (also seeing as even when hardened he can't repell bullets)

Does Denki still fry himself with his quirk?

Before we move on Aizawa. How's that daughter you neglected, her horn still broken?.

Speaking of which let's look at the rescue team:

What the hell is this!?

Let's see, we got a guy who can only do damage (and his sweat detonates on contact, destroying whatever it touches.)

A brainwasher who only got into the hero course via nepotism and who can only brainwash people who directly respond to him!. A person trapped underneath rubble either frantic or groaning in pain isn't going to be able to respond or even just give consent.

(On a side note what are the laws regarding mind control quirks, does some sort of waiver have to be signed, can a person sue for being controlled against their consent?)

Oh, but wait there's more.

Midoriya running headlong with experimental tech that has, very likely never seen the light of day. Let alone preform in an actual high stakes situation before.

You're trying to carry someone and oops! Something malfunctioned or was miscalculated, now there's an even bigger mess (hooray!)

Who could forget Mezo "they'll come for your kids" Soji. Who climbed the ladder and pulled it all the way up.

Yeah forget that Heteromorph's were getting hate crimed long before the war, ignore the fact that you yourself were maimed by an angry mob after doing one of the most heroic things a person can do. Dismiss Spinner's comment about being sprayed with Pesticide for walking in public.

Nah screw it, let's all sing Kumbaya while the Creation Rejection Clan runs wild outside the reach of the cities, then ignore that the discrimination still is prevalent in the countryside and it's only a matter of time before somone gets fed up and takes matters into their own hands. (talons, claws, you get the picture)

But your a hero now Soji, you got your's. So fuck the rest of 'em

And don't even get me started on Hawks. Congratulations you ignorant bastard, way to kill time and by that I mean for everyone but the heroes.

"Yeah life is great!, everyone hates us, we're rapidly falling into debt from all that rebuilding 8 years back."

"Speaking of which some of those buildings are staring to fall apart due to being rushed to meet deadlines set within the month they were started."

"Social darwinism is on the rise and people are becoming more complacent that ever before due to heroes applying bandaid solutions on decade long, deeply ingrained problems."

"All so the average person doesn't have to think about what's festering beneath society's floorboards, so thank you Safety Commission. Here's your star of positivity ⭐️." - Some random anti-hero civilian

So much for greatest heroes, huh.

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UPDATE 2:

A dark thought I just had, is that the main reason Izuku killed Tomura was because Tomura broke the rule of "Forgiving Your Abusers makes you Good".

When Tomura refused to relinquish his hatred, when he stood his ground, that is when Midoriya decided he had to die. If not to "stop" him, then to preserve Midoriya's perception of the world .

Shigaraki + The LOV by their very ideals went against everything Midoriya has had beat into him by Bakugo and Aldera over the years.

Makes me wonder how'd he react to a person refusing to forgive their abuser. If he interacted with Natsuo or Rei, I could see that delving into a complete mess.

Now that I think about it, The Midoriya we know now, he would have never tried to hold onto Eri back when they first met.

Ironically, he became what he named himself after, a Deku. A puppet attached to thorns of liquid gold, glistening and burning hot.

A slave to his own biases and belief system, now trapped in a stage of his minds own making.

First bound by his past, then by legacy and finally, now by his own hand.

木偶.

[nutzgunray-lvt]

I don't have a big problem with Fuyumi's character as a whole, but Shoto should have called her out on secretly giving Endeavor his contact information. That was a gross breach of boundaries on her part.