#emasculation of men
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Still seeing feminists in 2023 claiming that ‘emasculation isn’t real’ and it’s still baffling me.
How can you look at the lived realities of Asian and Jewish men and think “yeah these men totally aren’t emasculated and viewed as lesser males or less masculine than white men and it’s totally not dehumanising or racist or anything 😌” like. Racism against MOC doesn’t always look like portraying them as aggressive or dangerous, it can also look like viewing certain types of minority men as ‘failed’ men and ‘lacking real manhood’ as a dehumanising tactic. Myths about Jewish men previously portrayed them as having periods and being ‘basically women’. Asian men are fetishised and stripped of their manhood frequently by K-pop stans and people online who don’t realise that masculinity and gender roles look slightly different in non-western cultures.
Also… trans men. Who are FORCEFULLY emasculated and feminised against their will, by genocidal bigoted conservatives, and sometimes even somewhat by other queer people telling them to ‘tone down’ their non-toxic masculinity to avoid making others uncomfortable, making themselves dysphoric and detached from their gender identities to remain palatable.
What about disabled men? Are they not also viewed as failing to achieve proper manhood? Are they not also emasculated and viewed as ‘un-male’ or ‘less male’?
Minority men absolutely can and do experience emasculation. And it’s not ‘toxic’ or misogynistic to bring it up. Feminists who care about POC in particular should not be pretending otherwise.
#This is inspired by a popular pin i saw on pinterest from a bunch of feminists claiming that emasculation isnt real and it was VERY popular#the comments were all agreeing w/ it#kinda annoying to see people once again ignoring the lived realities of POC and minority men/mascs#feminism#transandrophobia#racism#disability justice#gender#transmasc#trans#stop erasing the experiences of minority men and men of colour pls i am BEGGING#antisemitism
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am i the only one who finds yao in the new au chapters incredibly trans coded?? i am well aware that "when i grow up i will have everything that i don't have now" is in reference to china's economic growth within the past few decades but...does that also come with estrogen and serving cunt 24/7 or what?? like this is a straight up transition 😭
#hetalia#aph china#wang yao#hws china#gangsta au#digging for queer subtext rn#just my hc please don't argue with meee 😿#i've read orientalism too but hcing a character as transfem doesn't inherently mean i'm emasculating all asian men
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i'm not embarrassed to admit that like half the reason i got into one piece is because i'm aroace and i'd heard that luffy is (arguably, sort of, word of god) aroace, and i love the hc but i'm also happy that it has so much basis in canon & stuff oda has said. it feels like an intrinsic part of him and it's always depicted as a positive trait! something that makes luffy himself and it's a good thing
like, protagonists never get to be aro or ace unless the story revolves around them discovering their identity. it's really nice to have a character so full of life who knows so clearly who he is, who also knows that dating/romance/etc is not part of it at all. one piece has its misogyny issues but i get to watch it knowing that luffy is never gonna "get the girl" as a prize for anything and that his relationships with like robin and nami especially will stay platonic and important without having to become something "more"
his lack of interest isn't a tragedy because he doesn't give a shit what other people think of him, and even when it is part of a gag (like in amazon lily) the humor isn't coming from making fun of luffy for not experiencing attraction. he's not broken he's immune and i think that's so fucking based and funny. and the whole story is about friendship and found family because that's what's important to him! the aroace hc feels so correct to me and i'm so happy that one of the most popular manga characters ever is such blatant arguable rep
#one piece#monkey d luffy#aroace luffy#not a screencap#i love luffy so much and i love being aroace we are brothers in arms#also the fact that hes like a shounen protag and a Dude#and his arguable aroaceness isn't ever an emasculating joke#i wanna see more aro and/or ace men in fiction
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i understand the motive behind statements like "real men wear pink!" and what they are trying to do but consider this: reifying the idea of real vs fake manhood sucks actually. we should not perpetuate the idea of manhood as a test of honour that you can fail & that failing is bad. thats patriarchy 101 babe
#gets myself a croptop that says ''fake men wear pink too''#but yeah um. so much bad comes from the threat of emasculation#like when acceptance into proper manhood = survival then ppl are always motivated to do terrible shit out of fear#and people will always be attacked and hurt for failing
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louis de pointe du lac, the depressed icon that you are
bonus sopping wet kitten, also referred to as the vampire lestat
#i <3 emasculating men#my favourite hobby#iwtv#interview with the vampire#iwtv (1994)#interview with the vampire (1994)#amc iwtv#louis de pointe du lac#ldpdl#lestat de lioncourt#lestat#the vampire lestat#pathetic men you are so special to me#anne rice#the vampire chronicles
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…ngl the Ilana & Rick dynamic was more interesting before they fucked
#creature commandos#rick flag sr#simu’s two cents#dc#listen. listen. ik u can chalk that pairing up to old men getting their power fantasy of the pretty young woman liking them#but LISTEN. the entire relationship was ilana initiating it. and maybe u could argue that’s part of the fantasy#but that reads as more…emasculating imo#rick flag sr said no like 5 times the first time she tried to make a move on him and ultimately backed off#then the second time ilana made a move on him he said no again before she kissed him. and then ultimately he was shown to be into it.#BUT LISTEN TO ME#i think theyre going to do smth interesting with ilana#she was described as a ‘disney princess femme fatale’#i think she’s manipulating rick flag sr to do smth. to what end? who knows#anyway i do like rick flag sr a lot from what i’ve seen of him so far tho so i might be biased#ugh he’s just weirdly honest and endearing idk. i like his mannerisms.#anyway i stand by my statement that it was more interesting when he was saying no while the princess kept making moves#u could’ve had some interesting subversion/parallel to the bride and victor and that weird grooming thing#except with more of a power dynamic rather than an incestuous grooming one?#when ilana said she’s to be the queen and she gets what she wants? hmmmmm#depending on how the rest of the series goes i might write a little drabble exploring what could’ve happened if rick flag sr kept saying no#yk. depending on how much thematic mileage that gets me.
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#maybe I was naive before and/or maybe I'm just bonedead tired af and not making much sense (i know I am)#bue the thing is if you had asked me before this night why the USA have never had a female president unlike so many comparable countries#I would have...attributed like 50%-80% of the reason to structural causes and the obsession with male candidates#yes there are extremely regressive and misogynistic regions and subcultures in the US - but that is true for most countries!#it is also a country with some VERY progressive people#and I don't know any country where so many people are so constantly actively and vocally arguing in favour of FINALLY having a female leade#so yeah I attributed it mostly to the general obstacles for female politicians and how elections in the US work and even past candidates#and I guess a big part of me wanted to believe that all this clownery of men saying they feel emasculated voting for a woman#was just a special sub-category of freakishness that gets pushed into the spotlight during the election#but at this point (dead-tired and annoyed as all shit)...I'm at the point where I say the United States have an almost unique problem#with voting for a woman + the idea of having a female president#maybe it's the huge role of the military and the president as leader of the troops or maybe it's the impact of evangelicals on the culture#maybe it is the role of gender roles in pop culture being so deeply entrenched#obviously this election racism and Harris being a woman of colour also plays a huge role#but at the point I am it genuinely feels to me like there's a very specific hang-up in the US regarding female candidates#and I know a lot of people are going to end up saying: 'oh it has nothing to do with it it has nothing to do with gender'#and I would have had that discussion and said that the issue with discrimination is that often you can't prove the individual case#but at this point....specifically with the US I have a hard time being like 'maybe it was maybe it wasn't' in regards to this factor#sorry to say
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the thing about supernatural is that it's patriarchy porn
#both in the sense that the white men watching feel like they're never going to be able to have a relationship as close as#sam and dean with another man. so they live through sam and dean's closeness with the excuse that they're brothers#but what you have written on the page is a romantic couple in every way that matters and what's not written doesn't#AND in the other sense that. the whole show has its own structure with its very own han solo at the top#<- im thinking about cishet men's twitter responses to jared being cast in the boys#they all view jared as inherently emasculated‚ and they view sam like that too#sam holds a very unique and specific role in supernatural but the patriarchal structure has delegated him as a woman#(the wife‚ the mother) because it's so misogynist and heteronormative that it cannot carve any other role for sam#and the men watching will see this. and live through dean#to have a brother‚ a friend like sam is to have have a male relationship not permitted in real life#&
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people would rather vote for a convicted felon rapist wannabe fascist dictator with no concept of material reality and who bases his policies off of his personal delusions and bigotry over a woman. just a regular qualified woman. let that sink in!
#michelle speaks#i am legit FURIOUS. bc the only reason harris is losing is bc she is a woman. and even worse#gasp! a woman of color. can’t have that in our white house!!!!!! it’s SICK!!!!!!!!!#let no one trick u into thinking misogyny is not extremely prevalent still. it is a pervasive disease FR#men are so emasculated by the idea of having a woman president. well they can just face the wall then!
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there's something to be said in how deeply Israel presents the gender dynamics of its soldiers ("look at how strong and masculine our soldiers are, they protect us"/"look at how beautiful and feminine our soldiers are, they would never hurt anybody") and an insecurity about how jews are perceived vis-a-vis gender, esp in the western world/europe. much to ponder...
#jewish men are usually emasculated and jewish women are presented as unfeminine and ugly#so there's a lot of posturing present
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It's like second boyfriend the game is accusing me of having. And you know what? I refuse to be threatened with a good time. I have two big hands, let's see how many I'll be able to fit in those.
Especially when the game is *makes a vague gesture* this:
#silly things#tench plays video games#of orcs and men#i'm trying to have a good time and not think about the sadness of toxic masculinity trapped in male dominated spaces agressively hostile#and using homosexuality for emasculating
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You spend so long on Tumblr you forget the average opinion online is that cunnilingus is gross and demeaning. I never even thought the opposite position, or at least its neutral answer, was at all notable until I was disabused otherwise with my pet misogynists on AO3. None of you people are having sex properly
#you're having a nice day you're writing fic about jaune eating cinder out#and then some guy butts his head in like eww why are you always writing that!#because they're having sex. meatsack#it's not like I turned to the camera and said 'this is a feminist act and if you don't engage with it#feminists are going to find you and make you live on their commune for a week reading shulamith firestone and judith butler'#no they're just having sex but men having sex with women makes them emasculated. obviously#that makes perfect sense#absolutely fucking deranged I hate them all I hope they all get death grip
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Ooh, here's a spicy take:
There's nothing wrong with a woman proposing to her man. It's better if the man does it, sure, but that's just because it's more romantic. If a lady wants to propose, let her
#honey mutters about#women proposing#I don't understand the hatred towards it#and no one has really given me an answer on why its wrong#the only thing I've seen is that it's 'emasculating'#which like...#what if she was just really excited to marry you that she couldn't wait?#what if the dude's shy and she knows that he wants to get married but is too scared to ask?#there are lots of reasons why a woman would propose and most if not all of them are perfectly fine#and we forget that the guy can say no#or they can talk about it#hell me and my husband talked about the proposal before it happened#not the finer details obv but we did talk#like what's the issue here?#you do know that there are cultures where women propose to the men right?
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Not a baiting ask: I don’t recall any of the characters dressing more androgynously as the books went on, save Gabrielle? There are passages of Louis and Lestat wearing lace, pearls and velvet frock coats in the modern day, in reference to 18th c. fashion: Is that what the other Anon may have meant? That’s not an androgynous sartorial choice with historical costuming in mind, though, it’s Louis dressing in the fashion of his human era. (Perhaps there is a misconception from a passage in which Louis wears lace and pearls at Armand’s urging, or someone sharing such passages with intent to mislead other fans about the canonicity of Femme Louis or Femme Lestat beyond Anne’s personal identification with them, which has happened before and will happen again.) In the show, Louis dressing in lace, pearl and velvet would be Louis dressing in a colourful three piece suit in the style of the 1910’s.
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Ah! Thank you for the correction, anon, I didn't remember any either, but I'm hyper-conscious of only having read through Memnoch (and having read most of the books I have quite a while ago, although I've been re-reading TVL recently) so I chose to take the ask in good faith and assume perhaps something happened in later books. That could very well be what the anon meant, but perhaps you're right too that there are scenes being taken out of context.
#i mentioned it recently but i actually listened to the behind the bastards eps on beau brummell a few months ago which was FASCINATING#but talked a lot about these sorts of shifting ideas of masculinity and mens fashion particularly in the 1800s#(and largely a result of the french revolution)#and a lot of that covered how that dandy style really became emasculated as a part of the rising working class and anti-rich sentiment#but also men wanted to look poorer than they were across europe to avoid being targeted in anti-rich revolution which is basically what led#to beau brummell's invention of the modern suit#which is just#hilarious#that it was created as a way for rich men to look slightly less rich (yet still fashionable and expensive)#on a different note it's interesting what people latch onto#i'm seeing so many people use those tweets from anne's son too and like#as a beatles fan i feel i can say this with authority#but looking for answers about a dead artist's art from their adult children is bad and weird#no matter how involved they may be in an estate#ESPECIALLY when it comes to questions involving sex#whether that be their characters or the artist themselves#anyway#i'm hoping this whole thing wasn't just a baity-response to my post the other day about not seeing louis as femme#so yes! choosing to take it as perhaps some misinterpretations :-)#louis asks#iwtv asks#okay i should get back to writing
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is fandom "heterosexualizing" that mlm ship, or do you have a very narrow view of "acceptable" forms of gender expression for men, so much so that you erase countless real queer couples whose relationships are identical to that depiction, because they aren't subversive enough for your internalized homophobia to tolerate?
#personcole#like it's one thing to talk about the emasculation of disabled men (a real issue! has nothing to do with orientation!)#it's another to just dislike a dynamic in an mlm relationship and decide people who like it are *insert bad thing here*
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Straight cis male went to a coffee shop and ordered something other than a black coffee. All the baristas pointed and laughed at him. They drug him out in the street to be mocked and ridiculed. "You're not a real man!" the villagers cried. Many such cases.
#i work in a coffee shop and the way men feel insecure and emasculated over something as trivial as ordering a fancy drink#is both hilarious and sad#and annoying like please stop making your wife order for you#once had a man ask me what drinks we had for girls#like ???
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